So, on Facebook, Suu mentions that Westboro Baptist are going to "protest" the funerals of the two people killed in Boston today.
Then she and her buddies wax rhapsodic about forming a mob and stomping them, which is something I would expect in Phoenix or Seguin. I rely on the East coast as the last bulwark against po'bucker fucking lynch mobs.
Yeah, I hate the WBC baptists, too, but there's a little tradition we have in this country, something about FREEDOM OF SPEECH WITHOUT HAVING YOUR ASS KICKED. This doesn't apply in Arizona or much of Texas. I didn't expect this shit in providence or Boston.
Goddamn yahoos everywhere. "I HATE THESE GUYS, LET'S STOMP THEM".
FUCK YOU. Seriously. Goddamn savages.
Blocked the whole pile of them. Assholes.
Whoa, whoa, whoa...did you not say that I said you were correct? They ARE protected by the 1st Amendment. Nothing is going to happen to those fuckers in Boston if nothing happened in Manhattan. All I said was that I would go up there for a counter-protest, I never said I would fucking start a riot, THAT was someone else.
Saw what you said. Twice.
I expect that sort of shit out here, where the savages live. You may recall that Westboro was at the Pride Parade on the common when I was visiting. We MOCKED them. We LAUGHED at them. THAT is the proper fucking response, not that volcano of fucking testosterone on Facebook.
My image of Boston - and the East coast in general - today was of regular people running toward the blast, to help the victims.
Thank you for denting that image.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
Saw what you said. Twice.
I expect that sort of shit out here, where the savages live. You may recall that Westboro was at the Pride Parade on the common when I was visiting. We MOCKED them. We LAUGHED at them. THAT is the proper fucking response, not that volcano of fucking testosterone on Facebook.
My image of Boston - and the East coast in general - today was of regular people running toward the blast, to help the victims.
Thank you for denting that image.
I'd have liked to have kept that image for a couple of days, too, before something fucked it up. :sad:
Best part was being called a troll by one of the goons for suggesting that a mob action isn't an appropriate response for unpopular speech.
John, one of those guys who was all riled up, was one of those EMTs.
If he needs to blow some steam with a couple of beers on Facebook, I'm not going to be the one to stop him.
You also should expect that emotions are going to vary ever so slightly from a pride parade to a fucking bombing, Roger. I'm not going to tell you to relax, because you're totally in the right, but damnit, I think it's safe to say that my friends are shaken up right now. My dad, a relatively liberal man, came home on 9/11/2001 early, pointed at the TV and said, "I want those fucking towelheads turned to glass!" Did he mean it? At the time, probably, but I assure you he's not the man that wishes for nuclear war.
You're the one that always talks about humans being apes and bipeds, and yeah, so they may not be bipeds, but they sure as hell are apes. Living in a certain corner of the world doesn't fix the need to throw shit at each other. It's just an illusion. The Northeast is just as fucked as the rest of the country, we just have a lot more people to hate in a smaller area.
We've come together a lot this past year. We had Sandy, we had that fucking storm after Sandy, we had Sandy Hook, and now this. There's only so much people are going to handle before they snap. What's next?
Friends are becoming enemies up here right now because of differences in fucking gun laws. There are people I know in New Hampshire that are seriously forming a militia to try to "liberate" Massachusetts. No, I'm NOT kidding. It's getting fucking stupid, and scary at the same time. Patriot's Day and the Boston Marathon are sacred to people around here, and their status quo was just shaken up big time. Let them simmer down. Let the answers come in, and people will re-think actually hurting someone and probably just go, "Eh, ignore those cocksuckas."
Not related to suu, et al, but I am trying to spread a rationalist "our"/"my" Discordia when I can re: not assuming, not jumping to conclusions, not letting vengeance rule.
It's fucking hard work, and that plus the honest emotion led me to the bourbon. But the fight continues.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 02:56:11 AM
We've come together a lot this past year. We had Sandy, we had that fucking storm after Sandy, we had Sandy Hook, and now this. There's only so much people are going to handle before they snap. What's next?
I seem to remember hearing a bunch of Rumsfeld asskisser types saying, after 911, that "the constitution wasn't designed for a crisis like this."
I can understand the actual bomber, if caught by citizens, being stomped. I don't condone it, on account of the rule of law, but I understand it.
But THIS was like watching the village toss a rope over a branch for the village idiot, because a fox had gotten into the hen house.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 02:56:28 AM
Not related to suu, et al, but I am trying to spread a rationalist "our"/"my" Discordia when I can re: not assuming, not jumping to conclusions, not letting vengeance rule.
It's fucking hard work, and that plus the honest emotion led me to the bourbon. But the fight continues.
Losing your shit in a crisis isn't what I saw this afternoon. I saw GUTS.
THAT is what I'd like to take from this. I still am, but that thread made it a bit more difficult.
Back when the Iraq war (ver 1.0) started, I remember asking dad if it was time for us to torch an Iraqi flag. I was howeverfuckignoyung, and didn't know better yet. All those nuts on the news who hated the USA were doing it, turnabout being fair play and all. Can't recall his answer verbatim, but I recall the gist: you keep your own behavior better than (not less than, or equal to) those you're fighting. Not for the sake of any moral high ground, just when they're paste you need to be the one worth still having around, or nothing ever improves.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:02:25 AM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 02:56:11 AM
We've come together a lot this past year. We had Sandy, we had that fucking storm after Sandy, we had Sandy Hook, and now this. There's only so much people are going to handle before they snap. What's next?
I seem to remember hearing a bunch of Rumsfeld asskisser types saying, after 911, that "the constitution wasn't designed for a crisis like this."
I can understand the actual bomber, if caught by citizens, being stomped. I don't condone it, on account of the rule of law, but I understand it.
But THIS was like watching the village toss a rope over a branch for the village idiot, because a fox had gotten into the hen house.
I agree.
But I'd be damned if I shed a tear if Fred and Shirley Phelps end up with concrete shoes at the bottom of the Harbor, either. Sorry.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 02:56:28 AM
Not related to suu, et al, but I am trying to spread a rationalist "our"/"my" Discordia when I can re: not assuming, not jumping to conclusions, not letting vengeance rule.
It's fucking hard work, and that plus the honest emotion led me to the bourbon. But the fight continues.
Losing your shit in a crisis isn't what I saw this afternoon. I saw GUTS.
THAT is what I'd like to take from this. I still am, but that thread made it a bit more difficult.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/photos-stories-kindness-boston-marathon-bombing/64258/#.UWytRpCs5aQ.facebook
Also I have to admit, the first person I thought of was LMNO. I was getting ready to get my ass handed to me by a professor over a paper, and I thought of some guy I met on the internet who works in Copley.
Okay no I lied, the first thing I thought of were Mooninites.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 03:09:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:02:25 AM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 02:56:11 AM
We've come together a lot this past year. We had Sandy, we had that fucking storm after Sandy, we had Sandy Hook, and now this. There's only so much people are going to handle before they snap. What's next?
I seem to remember hearing a bunch of Rumsfeld asskisser types saying, after 911, that "the constitution wasn't designed for a crisis like this."
I can understand the actual bomber, if caught by citizens, being stomped. I don't condone it, on account of the rule of law, but I understand it.
But THIS was like watching the village toss a rope over a branch for the village idiot, because a fox had gotten into the hen house.
I agree.
But I'd be damned if I shed a tear if Fred and Shirley Phelps end up with concrete shoes at the bottom of the Harbor, either. Sorry.
Then just toss the one good thing about the USA right in after them, m'kay? Because we won't be needing it.
Quote from: Richter on April 16, 2013, 03:07:05 AM
Back when the Iraq war (ver 1.0) started, I remember asking dad if it was time for us to torch an Iraqi flag. I was howeverfuckignoyung, and didn't know better yet. All those nuts on the news who hated the USA were doing it, turnabout being fair play and all. Can't recall his answer verbatim, but I recall the gist: you keep your own behavior better than (not less than, or equal to) those you're fighting. Not for the sake of any moral high ground, just when they're paste you need to be the one worth still having around, or nothing ever improves.
Damn right.
And the WORST thing you can do in a crisis is start a Goddamn vigilance committee to handle people who are insufficiently on board.
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 02:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
Saw what you said. Twice.
I expect that sort of shit out here, where the savages live. You may recall that Westboro was at the Pride Parade on the common when I was visiting. We MOCKED them. We LAUGHED at them. THAT is the proper fucking response, not that volcano of fucking testosterone on Facebook.
My image of Boston - and the East coast in general - today was of regular people running toward the blast, to help the victims.
Thank you for denting that image.
I'd have liked to have kept that image for a couple of days, too, before something fucked it up. :sad:
Yeah. It would have been nice...just a couple of days.
:sad:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:14:45 AM
Quote from: Richter on April 16, 2013, 03:07:05 AM
Back when the Iraq war (ver 1.0) started, I remember asking dad if it was time for us to torch an Iraqi flag. I was howeverfuckignoyung, and didn't know better yet. All those nuts on the news who hated the USA were doing it, turnabout being fair play and all. Can't recall his answer verbatim, but I recall the gist: you keep your own behavior better than (not less than, or equal to) those you're fighting. Not for the sake of any moral high ground, just when they're paste you need to be the one worth still having around, or nothing ever improves.
Damn right.
And the WORST thing you can do in a crisis is start a Goddamn vigilance committee to handle people who are insufficiently on board.
"Oh, the watchers aren't there for YOU. We only put them there to catch the TRAITORS. ...and we know you're not a TRAITOR. RIGHT?"
Quote from: Richter on April 16, 2013, 03:18:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:14:45 AM
Quote from: Richter on April 16, 2013, 03:07:05 AM
Back when the Iraq war (ver 1.0) started, I remember asking dad if it was time for us to torch an Iraqi flag. I was howeverfuckignoyung, and didn't know better yet. All those nuts on the news who hated the USA were doing it, turnabout being fair play and all. Can't recall his answer verbatim, but I recall the gist: you keep your own behavior better than (not less than, or equal to) those you're fighting. Not for the sake of any moral high ground, just when they're paste you need to be the one worth still having around, or nothing ever improves.
Damn right.
And the WORST thing you can do in a crisis is start a Goddamn vigilance committee to handle people who are insufficiently on board.
"Oh, the watchers aren't there for YOU. We only put them there to catch the TRAITORS. ...and we know you're not a TRAITOR. RIGHT?"
If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of.
If you've done nothing, you have nothing to be afraid of.
If you've done nothing, you have nothing.
You have nothing.
Yeah, we all know what happens after stuff like this.
I'm going to take a shot of bourbon and go to bed.
It's not going to help, or make me feel any better, or change what I said, but it sounds like a good idea.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 03:12:22 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 02:56:28 AM
Not related to suu, et al, but I am trying to spread a rationalist "our"/"my" Discordia when I can re: not assuming, not jumping to conclusions, not letting vengeance rule.
It's fucking hard work, and that plus the honest emotion led me to the bourbon. But the fight continues.
Losing your shit in a crisis isn't what I saw this afternoon. I saw GUTS.
THAT is what I'd like to take from this. I still am, but that thread made it a bit more difficult.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/photos-stories-kindness-boston-marathon-bombing/64258/#.UWytRpCs5aQ.facebook
Also I have to admit, the first person I thought of was LMNO. I was getting ready to get my ass handed to me by a professor over a paper, and I thought of some guy I met on the internet who works in Copley.
Okay no I lied, the first thing I thought of were Mooninites.
I appreciate your thoughts, and yeah-- the Mooninites came to mind, as well.
No worries, no fault, no blame. Expressing is not the same as acting, even if you're on Facebook.
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 03:15:48 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 02:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
Saw what you said. Twice.
I expect that sort of shit out here, where the savages live. You may recall that Westboro was at the Pride Parade on the common when I was visiting. We MOCKED them. We LAUGHED at them. THAT is the proper fucking response, not that volcano of fucking testosterone on Facebook.
My image of Boston - and the East coast in general - today was of regular people running toward the blast, to help the victims.
Thank you for denting that image.
I'd have liked to have kept that image for a couple of days, too, before something fucked it up. :sad:
Yeah. It would have been nice...just a couple of days.
:sad:
Yeah I was raging pretty fucking hard all the fucking retards trying to turn this into a political agenda. Can't wait to leave for New England in a few years. What triggered my go fuck yourself button was hearing about the DHS "buying" a load of sugar early this week derp homemade C4.Hearing about actual cops going above and beyond for the left behind was amazing to see. Can't wait to troll and blast all the False flag fear mongers tomorrow. East coast has it's yahoos with a heart of gold so they still get a free pass, but fuck the yahoos down here in Texas who have wet dreams of Alex Jones and Ron Paul leading the next American War.
Quote from: /b/earman on April 16, 2013, 06:14:09 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 03:15:48 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 02:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:35:42 AM
Saw what you said. Twice.
I expect that sort of shit out here, where the savages live. You may recall that Westboro was at the Pride Parade on the common when I was visiting. We MOCKED them. We LAUGHED at them. THAT is the proper fucking response, not that volcano of fucking testosterone on Facebook.
My image of Boston - and the East coast in general - today was of regular people running toward the blast, to help the victims.
Thank you for denting that image.
I'd have liked to have kept that image for a couple of days, too, before something fucked it up. :sad:
Yeah. It would have been nice...just a couple of days.
:sad:
Yeah I was raging pretty fucking hard all the fucking retards trying to turn this into a political agenda. Can't wait to leave for New England a in a few years. What trigger my go fuck yourself button was hearing about the DHS "buying" a load of sugar early this week. /facepalm Hearing about actual cops going above and beyond for the left behind was amazing to see. Can't wait to troll and blast all the False flag fear mongers tomorrow. East coast has it's yahoos with a heart of gold, but fuck the yahoos down here in Texas who have wet dreams of Alex Jones and Ron Paul leading the next American War.
I'm actually pretty proud to hear about the normal jack-offs like me running towards the explosions to helps. We're not known for being particularly friendly. We largely ignore each other unless we know the person or are directly asked for help. I suppose it's a consequence of being in a medium sized city with fickle weather. I've seen some cheesy shit online of the order of "you fucked with the wrong city" and having our sports mascots looking like they're ready for giving the Southie Shuffle and others that say "Like a Bos" with "Bos" being in the same font that the BPD uses for their logo. But just the idea that people overrode their instincts to run, and negate diffusion of responsibility.... That makes me proud, that makes me hope that there's something noble about us as a species.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:26:42 AM
forming a mob and stomping them
In addition to what you said, this is exactly what they want, anyway.
Phelps is a lawyer, with experience in the Civil Rights movement. The Church
funds its protests from legal fees from people who assault them. It costs the WBC $250k annually to attend the protests they do, and they typically protest six different locations a day.
In addition to the freedom of speech issue, if you really want to strike a blow against the WBC, the best thing to is totally ignore them. Without zealous idiots forming a lynch mob, their source of revenue dries up, and they wont be able to
afford to protest.
I got all fucking emotional today about it... walked out of the classroom and listened to a message from Roger saying that all our friends were OK and didn't get hurt in the bombing, texted him WHAT, WHAT BOMBING!? and then got all choked up on the phone with him when he called me and told me what happened.
Would really rather hang onto the fact that the crowd ran into the blast zone to help, than know that some big-britches were advocating violence afterward.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 16, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
I got all fucking emotional today about it... walked out of the classroom and listened to a message from Roger saying that all our friends were OK and didn't get hurt in the bombing, texted him WHAT, WHAT BOMBING!? and then got all choked up on the phone with him when he called me and told me what happened.
Would really rather hang onto the fact that the crowd ran into the blast zone to help, than know that some big-britches were advocating violence afterward.
There's always going to be big-britches mouthing off after. Better to focus on the legitimate heroism, rather than the pretend variety that comes with too much testosterone and too little security with one's self.
I'm still proud of what random folk did here today to help the wounded.
I'm also really glad I wasn't there at all.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:26:42 AM
forming a mob and stomping them
In addition to what you said, this is exactly what they want, anyway.
Phelps is a lawyer, with experience in the Civil Rights movement. The Church funds its protests from legal fees from people who assault them. It costs the WBC $250k annually to attend the protests they do, and they typically protest six different locations a day.
In addition to the freedom of speech issue, if you really want to strike a blow against the WBC, the best thing to is totally ignore them. Without zealous idiots forming a lynch mob, their source of revenue dries up, and they wont be able to afford to protest.
Permission to quote? This needs to be spread around.
Go ahead. The more people who understand the economics of Phelps, the better.
Thanks.
I think I read someplace that there's only about forty members in that church, and nobody questions where they get the money.
They don't accept public donations either. I mean, they are quite clear about how they finance their operation, but no-one else seems to think about it. A $250k operating budget should command a bit of thought, in my book.
With every new bit of info about the WBC, I become a little more certain that they are actually a very, very elaborate atheist troll.
Yelling at the WBC is an okay thing to do as long as you and everyone with you can keep your cool and you go full-on dadaist at them. You can't address their issues, they don't have any. Spending any time talking about their problems is just giving their problems more airtime. No, you go and you call them cousin fuckers and make fun of their terrible photoshop skills. Ask them if they're inbreeding in hopes of spawning some mutants with extra arms to hold more signs, since it's always one or two guys with eight signs these days. Ask them when Battletoads is coming out for the Wii. They have volunteered for a game of "let's you and me yell at each other" and some days that's a fun game to play.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 16, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
Would really rather hang onto the fact that the crowd ran into the blast zone to help, than know that some big-britches were advocating violence afterward.
It was something to see. That piece of footage is worth watching (The rest is gore porn).
Somewhere, the ghost of Kitty Genovese is smiling. Just saying.
This guy. This made me cry. Right down to the blood soaked flag.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/interview-with-the-hero-who-tried-to-save-the-guy-whose-leg-got-blown-off/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17773869-the-man-in-the-hat-at-boston-marathon-finish-line-carlos-arredondo-didnt-set-out-to-be-hero?lite
This man lost his son in Iraq, lost another to suicide...pretty much lost everything and STILL gave selflessly.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 04:54:01 PM
This guy. This made me cry. Right down to the blood soaked flag.
http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/interview-with-the-hero-who-tried-to-save-the-guy-whose-leg-got-blown-off/
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17773869-the-man-in-the-hat-at-boston-marathon-finish-line-carlos-arredondo-didnt-set-out-to-be-hero?lite
This man lost his son in Iraq, lost another to suicide...pretty much lost everything and STILL gave selflessly.
Did the guy in the wheelchair make it? I can't see the first article, and the second article and its linked articles don't say.
He may have. In an odd stroke of luck, the closest hospital has a world class bone and trauma center.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 05:26:53 PM
He may have. In an odd stroke of luck, the closest hospital has a world class bone and trauma center.
Thing is, the guy in the hat is holding one of his arteries, keeping it shut. This indicates early and VERY large blood loss, and the guy looks shocky as hell. And the article said "tried to save".
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 16, 2013, 04:00:43 PM
Yelling at the WBC is an okay thing to do as long as you and everyone with you can keep your cool and you go full-on dadaist at them. You can't address their issues, they don't have any. Spending any time talking about their problems is just giving their problems more airtime. No, you go and you call them cousin fuckers and make fun of their terrible photoshop skills. Ask them if they're inbreeding in hopes of spawning some mutants with extra arms to hold more signs, since it's always one or two guys with eight signs these days. Ask them when Battletoads is coming out for the Wii. They have volunteered for a game of "let's you and me yell at each other" and some days that's a fun game to play.
If I saw a WBC protest my first instinct would be to start making out with the nearest guy who'd let me. Pretty sure that's the most effective troll you could pull.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 16, 2013, 04:00:43 PM
Yelling at the WBC is an okay thing to do as long as you and everyone with you can keep your cool and you go full-on dadaist at them. You can't address their issues, they don't have any. Spending any time talking about their problems is just giving their problems more airtime. No, you go and you call them cousin fuckers and make fun of their terrible photoshop skills. Ask them if they're inbreeding in hopes of spawning some mutants with extra arms to hold more signs, since it's always one or two guys with eight signs these days. Ask them when Battletoads is coming out for the Wii. They have volunteered for a game of "let's you and me yell at each other" and some days that's a fun game to play.
If I saw a WBC protest my first instinct would be to start making out with the nearest guy who'd let me. Pretty sure that's the most effective troll you could pull.
It is a classic :)
Oh, and just so I know I posted this somewhere here: go donate blood if you can. Red Cross is encouraging people to schedule appointments now for the coming weeks.
Quote from: Cain on April 16, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 02:26:42 AM
forming a mob and stomping them
In addition to what you said, this is exactly what they want, anyway.
Phelps is a lawyer, with experience in the Civil Rights movement. The Church funds its protests from legal fees from people who assault them. It costs the WBC $250k annually to attend the protests they do, and they typically protest six different locations a day.
In addition to the freedom of speech issue, if you really want to strike a blow against the WBC, the best thing to is totally ignore them. Without zealous idiots forming a lynch mob, their source of revenue dries up, and they wont be able to afford to protest.
Keeping THAT little tidbit of info in my back pocket. It's easy enough to say "don't give them attention, that's what they want," as a truism, but reminding people that being full-time public assholes is an expensive thing to do, and that the money has to come from outside an organization of 40-ish people, seems like it would be more effective.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 05:26:53 PM
He may have. In an odd stroke of luck, the closest hospital has a world class bone and trauma center.
Thing is, the guy in the hat is holding one of his arteries, keeping it shut. This indicates early and VERY large blood loss, and the guy looks shocky as hell. And the article said "tried to save".
I thought that looked weird and skinny for a tourniquet. It's like my brain
blocks this stuff and I have to override it.
The initial reports said two dead, then a little later, three, right? I'm guessing he was alive at that time? And I saw something saying that the hospital did a LOT of amputations. Lots of people on the critical list.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 16, 2013, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 16, 2013, 04:00:43 PM
Yelling at the WBC is an okay thing to do as long as you and everyone with you can keep your cool and you go full-on dadaist at them. You can't address their issues, they don't have any. Spending any time talking about their problems is just giving their problems more airtime. No, you go and you call them cousin fuckers and make fun of their terrible photoshop skills. Ask them if they're inbreeding in hopes of spawning some mutants with extra arms to hold more signs, since it's always one or two guys with eight signs these days. Ask them when Battletoads is coming out for the Wii. They have volunteered for a game of "let's you and me yell at each other" and some days that's a fun game to play.
If I saw a WBC protest my first instinct would be to start making out with the nearest guy who'd let me. Pretty sure that's the most effective troll you could pull.
It is a classic :)
Oh, and just so I know I posted this somewhere here: go donate blood if you can. Red Cross is encouraging people to schedule appointments now for the coming weeks.
Yes. They have plenty for now. RI Blood Center said to keep donating regularly to keep it on the shelves. Don't rush in today because it won't be good when they need it in a couple of weeks.
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 05:26:53 PM
He may have. In an odd stroke of luck, the closest hospital has a world class bone and trauma center.
Thing is, the guy in the hat is holding one of his arteries, keeping it shut. This indicates early and VERY large blood loss, and the guy looks shocky as hell. And the article said "tried to save".
I thought that looked weird and skinny for a tourniquet. It's like my brain blocks this stuff and I have to override it.
The initial reports said two dead, then a little later, three, right? I'm guessing he was alive at that time? And I saw something saying that the hospital did a LOT of amputations. Lots of people on the critical list.
Per Facebook: The man with the leg blown to bits is my friend's cousin. He had surgery last night and is currently in stable condition. His life was probably saved by that tourniquet.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 16, 2013, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 05:26:53 PM
He may have. In an odd stroke of luck, the closest hospital has a world class bone and trauma center.
Thing is, the guy in the hat is holding one of his arteries, keeping it shut. This indicates early and VERY large blood loss, and the guy looks shocky as hell. And the article said "tried to save".
I thought that looked weird and skinny for a tourniquet. It's like my brain blocks this stuff and I have to override it.
The initial reports said two dead, then a little later, three, right? I'm guessing he was alive at that time? And I saw something saying that the hospital did a LOT of amputations. Lots of people on the critical list.
Per Facebook: The man with the leg blown to bits is my friend's cousin. He had surgery last night and is currently in stable condition. His life was probably saved by that tourniquet.
There's no probably. Between the tourniquet and the pinched artery, he didn't bleed out.
Yes, critical but stable http://sandrarose.com/2013/04/jeff-the-man-in-the-wheelchair-is-in-critical-but-stable-condition/
If there is an upside to this, is that there was no shortage of amazing hospitals in the area with top trauma centers.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
If there is an upside to this, is that there was no shortage of amazing hospitals in the area with top trauma centers.
It's definitely a silver lining.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 16, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
If there is an upside to this, is that there was no shortage of amazing hospitals in the area with top trauma centers.
It's definitely a silver lining.
They need to have those there, on account of you fuckers can't drive. I know; I've seen it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 16, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
If there is an upside to this, is that there was no shortage of amazing hospitals in the area with top trauma centers.
It's definitely a silver lining.
They need to have those there, on account of you fuckers can't drive. I know; I've seen it.
Is true. That's why I prefer taking the T, as inconvenient it can be.
Well, that and the cost of insuring and maintaining a car here sucks.
Driving into Boston is a death sentence, and no series of tunnels could fix it.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
Driving into Boston is a death sentence, and no series of tunnels could fix it.
It was a valiant attempt.
Non-Violent Human Wall event to block view of the WBC started on facebook. 700 attendees thus far.
http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/)
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 16, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Non-Violent Human Wall event to block view of the WBC started on facebook. 700 attendees thus far.
http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/)
This is also a good tactic. Mockery should be included, though, it's the only thing they fear.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 16, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Non-Violent Human Wall event to block view of the WBC started on facebook. 700 attendees thus far.
http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/)
This is also a good tactic. Mockery should be included, though, it's the only thing they fear.
How's that?
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on April 16, 2013, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 16, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Non-Violent Human Wall event to block view of the WBC started on facebook. 700 attendees thus far.
http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/363949093715919/)
This is also a good tactic. Mockery should be included, though, it's the only thing they fear.
How's that?
What are they after? To be the center of attention. To be taken seriously, even if that means being hated on.
Refuse to take them seriously. They can't stand it.
Some people want to be hated, nobody wants to be made fun of.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 16, 2013, 05:37:06 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 16, 2013, 04:00:43 PM
Yelling at the WBC is an okay thing to do as long as you and everyone with you can keep your cool and you go full-on dadaist at them. You can't address their issues, they don't have any. Spending any time talking about their problems is just giving their problems more airtime. No, you go and you call them cousin fuckers and make fun of their terrible photoshop skills. Ask them if they're inbreeding in hopes of spawning some mutants with extra arms to hold more signs, since it's always one or two guys with eight signs these days. Ask them when Battletoads is coming out for the Wii. They have volunteered for a game of "let's you and me yell at each other" and some days that's a fun game to play.
If I saw a WBC protest my first instinct would be to start making out with the nearest guy who'd let me. Pretty sure that's the most effective troll you could pull.
It is a classic :)
Oh, and just so I know I posted this somewhere here: go donate blood if you can. Red Cross is encouraging people to schedule appointments now for the coming weeks.
Unfortunately my blood is classed as a controlled substance. I could be thrown in jail for cutting my finger.
i've seen lots of mockery, and it doesn't seem to slow them down any. i mean, it's worth it anyways because of the funny pictures to paste on the intarwebs, but i've not seen any evidence of this doing anything but rolling off like water on a duck's back.
i would assume that they think anyone mocking them is their enemy, and mockery from an enemy generally fuels resolve, no?
does it ever cause them to pack up and go home?
I think we should get the entire LBGT community up there making out furiously in front of them. How's THAT for not taking them seriously?
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 07:38:29 PM
I think we should get the entire LBGT community up there making out furiously in front of them. How's THAT for not taking them seriously?
Naw. I think they're mentally prepared for that.
I think people that look like what THEY perceive to be "just regular folks" standing there and teasing them would be more effective. They can tolerate "The Enemy" acting up, the idea that "mainstream America" laughs at them would be more effective.
I can always ask them why the spelled "Figs" wrong.
http://jesushatesfigs.blogspot.com/
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on April 16, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
i've seen lots of mockery, and it doesn't seem to slow them down any. i mean, it's worth it anyways because of the funny pictures to paste on the intarwebs, but i've not seen any evidence of this doing anything but rolling off like water on a duck's back.
i would assume that they think anyone mocking them is their enemy, and mockery from an enemy generally fuels resolve, no?
does it ever cause them to pack up and go home?
They're serving an agenda - to make religion look fucking retarded. Might not be their intention but it doesn't change the facts. GO WBC!!! :lulz:
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 07:38:29 PM
I think we should get the entire LBGT community up there making out furiously in front of them. How's THAT for not taking them seriously?
I'd say a table with flyers and drinks regarding how much they spend a year doing this shit would be more interesting.
The reaction would certainly be worth watching.
Providing availability, I will be going.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 16, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 07:38:29 PM
I think we should get the entire LBGT community up there making out furiously in front of them. How's THAT for not taking them seriously?
I'd say a table with flyers and drinks regarding how much they spend a year doing this shit would be more interesting.
The reaction would certainly be worth watching.
I like this idea.
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on April 16, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
i've seen lots of mockery, and it doesn't seem to slow them down any. i mean, it's worth it anyways because of the funny pictures to paste on the intarwebs, but i've not seen any evidence of this doing anything but rolling off like water on a duck's back.
i would assume that they think anyone mocking them is their enemy, and mockery from an enemy generally fuels resolve, no?
does it ever cause them to pack up and go home?
That's because the people doing the mocking generally tend to look like The Enemy.
What you WANT is people that look like professionals and/or good old boys doing the mocking. Even better, people wearing Christian religious shirts and/or symbols doing it.
It's all about the message, and a good chunk of the message is delivery.
Heartstrings - a few big posters displaying how many sick children a quarter of a mil could save?
The folks organizing the human wall said they don't want anything there. Just folks dressed in black and remaining silent to block the protesters from view of the funerals. It's not a counter protest, just a protective measure. And I respect that.
However if they go to the bomb site, they are fair game to counter. I would have to know with enough time to catch a train to get up there though.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on April 16, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
i've seen lots of mockery, and it doesn't seem to slow them down any. i mean, it's worth it anyways because of the funny pictures to paste on the intarwebs, but i've not seen any evidence of this doing anything but rolling off like water on a duck's back.
i would assume that they think anyone mocking them is their enemy, and mockery from an enemy generally fuels resolve, no?
does it ever cause them to pack up and go home?
That's because the people doing the mocking generally tend to look like The Enemy.
What you WANT is people that look like professionals and/or good old boys doing the mocking. Even better, people wearing Christian religious shirts and/or symbols doing it.
It's all about the message, and a good chunk of the message is delivery.
This makes me think of the two times I've seen the Phelpians in person. The first time, they were protesting a Marilyn Manson concert - I tried to get one of them to autograph my Bible, but none of them would take me up on it. The line of people waiting to get into the concert did all the things you'd expect, especially lots of same-sex couples kissing. But I imagine to the Phelpians they looked exactly like The Enemy. They stayed about an hour that time.
The second time, they were protesting my department's annual banquet. I always thought that was an odd choice. The religious studies department at KU
is pretty liberal, and we held it at the Ecumenical Christian Ministries building - they had a sign that called it a "fag church" - and they seemed to have a beef with our speaker, Jonathan Z Smith, but I couldn't figure out what. Maybe they don't like his work on comparison and religious traditions, or that he's a Jew who happens to have written a lot on Jesus and early Christianity? Anyway, we were all dressed up for the banquet, a very professional-looking crowd, sipping cocktails while getting pictures of ourselves with them in the background. They only stayed 15 minutes, 20 tops.
Quote from: deadfong on April 16, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
They only stayed 15 minutes, 20 tops.
That's because they had no hook to hang their shit on, and they couldn't hide from themselves that they looked like hayseeds. Clowns, in this case.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
Quote from: deadfong on April 16, 2013, 09:40:00 PM
They only stayed 15 minutes, 20 tops.
That's because they had no hook to hang their shit on, and they couldn't hide from themselves that they looked like hayseeds. Clowns, in this case.
Yeah, we were definitely not the audience they wanted or needed. I still wonder why they came in the first place. All I can figure is they were having a slow day in the Phelps compound, and it's only about a 40 minute drive from Topeka to Lawrence.
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 07:52:30 PM
I can always ask them why the spelled "Figs" wrong.
http://jesushatesfigs.blogspot.com/
Jesus didn't like figging? Can't blame him. It's not everybody's thing. The figgers aren't on about some sort of figging agenda or making certain all our children are indoctrinated into figging at an early age though. They just want to fig when they feel like a fig.
The reason I'm not in favor of ignoring Westboro is because, while, sure, protests are giving them the attention they want, they're so repugnant that that's a GOOD thing. Nobody wants to align with them. They are profoundly depolarizing.
Combine that with social censure, and suddenly you have an environment in which people who were moderately anti-gay are leaning towards tolerance because they can't stomach being associated with Westboro or the shunning and contempt that goes with it.
Westboro is to the gay what RWHN is to legalization.
Going through my dresser this morning for a plain black shirt, I pulled out my Mooninite 1/31/07 shirt by chance. I've never felt like a bigger asshole in the entire world. :|
Quote from: Suu on April 18, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
Going through my dresser this morning for a plain black shirt, I pulled out my Mooninite 1/31/07 shirt by chance. I've never felt like a bigger asshole in the entire world. :|
I just googled that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare
And it IS pretty funny.
I remember it happening, and it being discussed here on PD. It was hilarious.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 16, 2013, 02:56:28 AM
Not related to suu, et al, but I am trying to spread a rationalist "our"/"my" Discordia when I can re: not assuming, not jumping to conclusions, not letting vengeance rule.
It's fucking hard work, and that plus the honest emotion led me to the bourbon. But the fight continues.
Losing your shit in a crisis isn't what I saw this afternoon. I saw GUTS.
THAT is what I'd like to take from this. I still am, but that thread made it a bit more difficult.
Fuck, I'm proud of you. You are a raging, ranting bastard love-child of lava and a mound of angry fire-ants, but you ain't a
total cynic yet.
I love Suu too. She's the shit dude. They ain't stomping nobody because they're too busy sewing Byzantine-era garb and running around with turkey legs, hollering "Huzzah!" That's just some hot, WBC-stomping RPG action going on. Any minute now, some dumbshit is going to try to summon a swarm of dragons or some shit, roll a two and kill the whole campaign in a ball of flames as the creature that manifests turns out to be a fire-breathing 5-foot gecko with a cleft palate.
No sweat.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 16, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Suu on April 16, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
If there is an upside to this, is that there was no shortage of amazing hospitals in the area with top trauma centers.
It's definitely a silver lining.
They need to have those there, on account of you fuckers can't drive. I know; I've seen it.
Oh Bob no. Boston driving is fearsome.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 18, 2013, 07:52:52 AM
Westboro is to the gay what RWHN is to legalization.
:lulz: :potd:
Suu, sorry I can't be there today to help.
(And you should totally wear your mooninite shirt under a nice black one :lulz:)
Quote from: Suu on April 18, 2013, 11:29:25 AM
Going through my dresser this morning for a plain black shirt, I pulled out my Mooninite 1/31/07 shirt by chance. I've never felt like a bigger asshole in the entire world. :|
Why?