http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive#pq=8QXedT
Alpha Centauri in 2 weeks. :fap:
Quote"However, space-time is really stiff, so to create the expansion and contraction effect in a useful manner in order for us to reach interstellar destinations in reasonable time periods would require a lot of energy."
And indeed, early assessments published in the ensuing scientific literature suggested horrific amounts of energy — basically equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter (what is 1.9 × 1027 kilograms or 317 Earth masses). As a result, the idea was brushed aside as being far too impractical. Even though nature allowed for a warp drive, it looked like we would never be able to build one ourselves.
"However," said White, "based on the analysis I did the last 18 months, there may be hope." The key, says White, may be in altering the geometry of the warp drive itself.
:fap: :p :fap:
YESSS!
Now if only our species can keep from killing ourselves before we colonize the solar system, we are golden!
:awesome:
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
YESSS!
Now if only our species can keep from killing ourselves before we colonize the solar system, we are golden!
:awesome:
It would probably be better for the solar system if we DID kill ourselves before we get there.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
YESSS!
Now if only our species can keep from killing ourselves before we colonize the solar system, we are golden!
:awesome:
It would probably be better for the solar system if we DID kill ourselves before we get there.
Well, the thing is though? When we humans live in extreme environments we tend to become REAL co-operative, real fast. For survival reasons. Not always, social science is generally fuzzy like that. But generally speaking.
If you look at Iceland, Sweden, Finland? You'll note some really prosocial , co-operative cultures, right? Netherlands too-under sea level on the coast can be defined as a harsh environment.
An extraplanetary society would have to be prosocial. We'd have to grow the fuck up.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 26, 2013, 09:21:51 PM
http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive#pq=8QXedT
Alpha Centauri in 2 weeks. :fap:
The prospect of travelling to Alpha Centauri, fighting back mindworms, fungi and other factions doesn't sound too appealing to me.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
YESSS!
Now if only our species can keep from killing ourselves before we colonize the solar system, we are golden!
:awesome:
It would probably be better for the solar system if we DID kill ourselves before we get there.
Hey, if we can avoid fucking over Europa and Titan I don't think the rest of the planets give a fuck.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 27, 2013, 01:58:28 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 12:41:23 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
YESSS!
Now if only our species can keep from killing ourselves before we colonize the solar system, we are golden!
:awesome:
It would probably be better for the solar system if we DID kill ourselves before we get there.
Hey, if we can avoid fucking over Europa and Titan I don't think the rest of the planets give a fuck.
Yeah, I think what bacteria are left on Mars wouldn't mind us moving in. We might end up
on the menu of Martian bacteria, but there's no telling until we go.
Since Venus basically has battery-acid for an atmosphere, we'd have to extensively tinker with the atmosphere before we could do anything with it.
...I'd like to move the asteroids closer in and make habitats. I'd like to make spaceships on the moon-lots of useable metallic ore, lots of sunlight to harness, low escape velocity costs.
I want us to not all be in one gravity well.
I'm not sure what colonizing the solar system has to do with BUILDING A GODDAMNED WARP DRIVE THAT CAN GET US TO DISTANT STARS IN A MATTER OF MONTHS.
Any asshole can go colonize Mars or mine iridium on Ceres.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 27, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
I'm not sure what colonizing the solar system has to do with BUILDING A GODDAMNED WARP DRIVE THAT CAN GET US TO DISTANT STARS IN A MATTER OF MONTHS.
Any asshole can go colonize Mars or mine iridium on Ceres.
Not so far. Radiation.
Though robots could easily do it for us, if we put some effort into making them.
I dunno.
Where will we go when we can go anywhere?
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on May 27, 2013, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 27, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
I'm not sure what colonizing the solar system has to do with BUILDING A GODDAMNED WARP DRIVE THAT CAN GET US TO DISTANT STARS IN A MATTER OF MONTHS.
Any asshole can go colonize Mars or mine iridium on Ceres.
Not so far. Radiation.
Though robots could easily do it for us, if we put some effort into making them.
I dunno.
Where will we go when we can go anywhere?
EASY ANSWER!!
EVERYFUCKINGWHERE!!!!!!!
What is up with this board and shitting itself over speculative technology?
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
Well, to be fair, I get excited every time the fridge opens, too . . . :P
It's fun to think of the possibilities. Opens up the imagination and whatnot. Gives people boners.
Yeah OK. Or else it's that Facebook is contagious. Because it seems like for years there almost never used to be these "OMG SPECULATIVE SCIENCE!!!" threads, and now it's kind of like the board has turned into a subscription to New Scientist and nobody seems to understand anymore that "science that might be a thing" is not on the same level as "science that is a thing".
I feel like I need to buy the board a subscription to Skeptic just counteract it a little, before you fuckers are believing that every funded research proposal is OMG A NEW FUTURE. :lol:
(http://static.europosters.cz/image/750/11587.jpg)
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
Well, to be fair, I get excited every time the fridge opens, too . . . :P
It's fun to think of the possibilities. Opens up the imagination and whatnot. Gives people boners.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
that, and it does help one come up with brilliant science fiction stories,though this one is already taken :lulz:
nigel, i don't see imagining in the same way as believing, and similarly, hoping that something nice will come out of a science project or research does not mean believing it will succeed ;)
and come on, i'm pretty sure a lot of us getting all :fap: about speculative science didn't wait for pop science facebook pages or new scientist to make us interested.
Quote from: GrannySmith on May 27, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
Well, to be fair, I get excited every time the fridge opens, too . . . :P
It's fun to think of the possibilities. Opens up the imagination and whatnot. Gives people boners.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
that, and it does help one come up with brilliant science fiction stories,though this one is already taken :lulz:
nigel, i don't see imagining in the same way as believing, and similarly, hoping that something nice will come out of a science project or research does not mean believing it will succeed ;)
and come on, i'm pretty sure a lot of us getting all :fap: about speculative science didn't wait for pop science facebook pages or new scientist to make us interested.
No, it's just one more nail of mediocrity in the coffin of a board that used to be full of intelligent and stimulating conversation.
Have at it, it's what you're here for. I'll be joining Cain in the fucking off category.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 05:49:32 PM
Yeah OK. Or else it's that Facebook is contagious. Because it seems like for years there almost never used to be these "OMG SPECULATIVE SCIENCE!!!" threads, and now it's kind of like the board has turned into a subscription to New Scientist and nobody seems to understand anymore that "science that might be a thing" is not on the same level as "science that is a thing".
I feel like I need to buy the board a subscription to Skeptic just counteract it a little, before you fuckers are believing that every funded research proposal is OMG A NEW FUTURE. :lol:
I'm so sorry. Please forgive me for being interested and/or thinking stuff like this is fun. I'll be sure to run things through the Department of Scientific Veracity before I post again.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 05:49:32 PM
Yeah OK. Or else it's that Facebook is contagious. Because it seems like for years there almost never used to be these "OMG SPECULATIVE SCIENCE!!!" threads, and now it's kind of like the board has turned into a subscription to New Scientist and nobody seems to understand anymore that "science that might be a thing" is not on the same level as "science that is a thing".
I feel like I need to buy the board a subscription to Skeptic just counteract it a little, before you fuckers are believing that every funded research proposal is OMG A NEW FUTURE. :lol:
Ma'am, I don't care of you ARE the Dark Empress with plans to subjugate the populace to do your evil bidding. I resent the implication that I have anything to do with Facebook!!! :P :P :P
Nigel...but what about this!
(http://i.imgur.com/m6Hanrh.png) (http://xkcd.com/1212/)
Specifically....
Alt text: The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is that it would let us apologize in advance.
WE HAVE TO SAVE OUR INTERSTELLAR REPUTATION!
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
That's because the good shit's in the fridge. :wink:
I look at any news that indicates my civilization won't collapse entirely in 20 years to be a Good Thing...That's why I keep talking about our immediate solar environs as tappable resources.
...It's because I worry about us.
If we colonize the solar system first we'll learn how to build sustainable civilizations in places that are REALLY trying to kill us, which will be useful as we wander onward.
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
The "ark" or whatever you'd call it, concept still is more workable then...we have to pack a civilization.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 26, 2013, 09:21:51 PM
http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive#pq=8QXedT
Alpha Centauri in 2 weeks. :fap:
Yeah, this came up a few months back. Glad to hear they're still on it.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:14 PM
What is up with this board and shitting itself over speculative technology?
This one's fairly solid, IIRC. NASA has been dicking with it since the 60s, but managed to get around the one technical complication that made it "wouldn't it be nice", and apparently they're making some progress.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on May 27, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on May 27, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 27, 2013, 04:58:38 PM
It's like a dog that gets all fucking excited every time the fridge opens.
Well, to be fair, I get excited every time the fridge opens, too . . . :P
It's fun to think of the possibilities. Opens up the imagination and whatnot. Gives people boners.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
that, and it does help one come up with brilliant science fiction stories,though this one is already taken :lulz:
nigel, i don't see imagining in the same way as believing, and similarly, hoping that something nice will come out of a science project or research does not mean believing it will succeed ;)
and come on, i'm pretty sure a lot of us getting all :fap: about speculative science didn't wait for pop science facebook pages or new scientist to make us interested.
No, it's just one more nail of mediocrity in the coffin of a board that used to be full of intelligent and stimulating conversation.
Have at it, it's what you're here for. I'll be joining Cain in the fucking off category.
Well, shit.
And here I was, just sitting down to write.
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
How's that? Like, we could get to Alpha Centauri in 2 weeks, but it would seem like several thousand years on the ship?
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
Where'd you get that bit?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 29, 2013, 03:06:16 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
Where'd you get that bit?
We looked at some examples in school. Anything inside the bubble experiences a slower time frame relative to that outside the bubble. You get the same effect at relativistic speeds where more time elapses for example on the clocks of a satellite compared to on the earth.
We did however only look at the super dense ring version of the craft, so maybe they have figured out some way to overcome that.
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2013, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 29, 2013, 03:06:16 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 28, 2013, 12:05:46 AM
Its a cool idea. It's a shame that the proposed bubble would have to experience the relative timeframe of actually travelling that distance at non relativistic speeds.
It means it could never have a live crew, and that the electronics would have to have a very good shelf life.
Where'd you get that bit?
We looked at some examples in school. Anything inside the bubble experiences a slower time frame relative to that outside the bubble. You get the same effect at relativistic speeds where more time elapses for example on the clocks of a satellite compared to on the earth.
We did however only look at the super dense ring version of the craft, so maybe they have figured out some way to overcome that.
I suspect, this is going to make my head really hurt, but how did they figure that? How does that happen? I guess I'm having trouble seeing how that's possible.
I don't know how well I can explain it.
This summed up the gravitational effect on time and was the basis of the super heavy Donut warp drive...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
"Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.[4]"
The aeroplanes further away from the large mass experienced a greater elapsed time relative to the earthbound counterparts.
So if I'm reading this right the doughnut causes gravitational time dilation so a journey that for people on earth the relative time frame of the crafts journey is a matter of weeks, but it's relative time-frame is much longer.
I may have that completely messed up though because quantum mechanics wasn't my strongest subject.
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2013, 12:27:21 PM
I don't know how well I can explain it.
This summed up the gravitational effect on time and was the basis of the super heavy Donut warp drive...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
"Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.[4]"
The aeroplanes further away from the large mass experienced a greater elapsed time relative to the earthbound counterparts.
So if I'm reading this right the doughnut causes gravitational time dilation so a journey that for people on earth the relative time frame of the crafts journey is a matter of weeks, but it's relative time-frame is much longer.
I may have that completely messed up though because quantum mechanics wasn't my strongest subject.
Ah, it's the actual weight of the thing. Or rather the mass. Would the dilation be that strong though? Even with a fuel-tank holding M
J, the time dilation wouldn't be that strong would it?
Well that's the thing, they claim they can get the same effect with relatively little mass. How that can be achieved is something I'd be interested in reading. But if the principle of gravitational time dilation is still the core mechanic they will be subject to that more-elapsed-time on the craft problem to overcome.
All you have to do is put the passengers into cryostasis 8)
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2013, 12:27:21 PM
I don't know how well I can explain it.
This summed up the gravitational effect on time and was the basis of the super heavy Donut warp drive...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
"Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.[4]"
The aeroplanes further away from the large mass experienced a greater elapsed time relative to the earthbound counterparts.
So if I'm reading this right the doughnut causes gravitational time dilation so a journey that for people on earth the relative time frame of the crafts journey is a matter of weeks, but it's relative time-frame is much longer.
I may have that completely messed up though because quantum mechanics wasn't my strongest subject.
That's basically how I understood it when I was reading about it, but that was probably at least ten years ago. I'm not sure how exactly that particular law of physics could be circumvented, but then again I'm not a physicist.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 29, 2013, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2013, 12:27:21 PM
I don't know how well I can explain it.
This summed up the gravitational effect on time and was the basis of the super heavy Donut warp drive...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
"Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.[4]"
The aeroplanes further away from the large mass experienced a greater elapsed time relative to the earthbound counterparts.
So if I'm reading this right the doughnut causes gravitational time dilation so a journey that for people on earth the relative time frame of the crafts journey is a matter of weeks, but it's relative time-frame is much longer.
I may have that completely messed up though because quantum mechanics wasn't my strongest subject.
That's basically how I understood it when I was reading about it, but that was probably at least ten years ago. I'm not sure how exactly that particular law of physics could be circumvented, but then again I'm not a physicist.
Yeah I was trying to figure out how to circumvent it, the only real way I could think of is if the centre of the bubble operated in the higher relative timeframe to the surrounding bubble that allows for that fast travel, but I'm fairly certain that would violate relativity because it the centre would then be travelling faster then the speed of light.
How do you orient the thing so that it goes forward? What makes the front the implodey region and the back the expandy region?
People could actually breed inside the spaceship, so, maybe 1st generation wont live to see it, but one would eventually.
Unless everyone dies from bone density decay or crashes into a meteor, but thats just pessimistic, right?
Quote from: The Johnny on May 30, 2013, 12:57:03 AM
People could actually breed inside the spaceship, so, maybe 1st generation wont live to see it, but one would eventually.
Unless everyone dies from bone density decay or crashes into a meteor, but thats just pessimistic, right?
If you get rid of the relativistic effects of a large mass though, there's no problem, especially since we have to get rid of the mass problem for separate reasons anyway. (The most obvious of which is that you don't want something about the same mass, and therefore, gravitational pull, as Jupiter in Earth orbit anyway).
I'm still not getting why the mass would have that much of an effect on the time on the ship though. Actually for two reasons- the first being that would it actually have that much of a noticeable effect on the amount of time that is perceived as passing? We should be able to measure the differences between here and Jupiter by putting a satellite in Jupiter orbit and just monitoring the difference between the two.
The other reason is, doesn't higher gravity end up slowing time down? That is to say, from our perspective, the ship would be moving away at faster than the speed of light, but if we could see the people on board, they would barely be moving, since time is going faster for us? If anything, that's even more of a boon, no?
Unless I'm missing something entirely, which is quite possible.
Quote from: The Johnny on May 30, 2013, 12:57:03 AM
People could actually breed inside the spaceship, so, maybe 1st generation wont live to see it, but one would eventually.
Unless everyone dies from bone density decay or crashes into a meteor, but thats just pessimistic, right?
We'll yes, and the thousands of years worth of food and the oxygen issue although those are probably the easier things to fix.
Could we use frozen embryos and raise them with robots?
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 30, 2013, 10:08:59 AM
Could we use frozen embryos and raise them with robots?
If you get funding and a lab that wont get burned down by protesters I'd say go for it.
Quote from: El Twid on May 30, 2013, 03:11:23 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 30, 2013, 12:57:03 AM
People could actually breed inside the spaceship, so, maybe 1st generation wont live to see it, but one would eventually.
Unless everyone dies from bone density decay or crashes into a meteor, but thats just pessimistic, right?
If you get rid of the relativistic effects of a large mass though, there's no problem, especially since we have to get rid of the mass problem for separate reasons anyway. (The most obvious of which is that you don't want something about the same mass, and therefore, gravitational pull, as Jupiter in Earth orbit anyway).
I'm still not getting why the mass would have that much of an effect on the time on the ship though. Actually for two reasons- the first being that would it actually have that much of a noticeable effect on the amount of time that is perceived as passing? We should be able to measure the differences between here and Jupiter by putting a satellite in Jupiter orbit and just monitoring the difference between the two.
The other reason is, doesn't higher gravity end up slowing time down? That is to say, from our perspective, the ship would be moving away at faster than the speed of light, but if we could see the people on board, they would barely be moving, since time is going faster for us? If anything, that's even more of a boon, no?
Unless I'm missing something entirely, which is quite possible.
Hang on, let me see if i got this right.
Gravity compresses space and makes local time go slower.
Expanding space makes local time go faster.
It sounds like a 'wherever you go, there you are' problem, the effect that gives you speed is the same effect that makes the journey take longer.
The extend to wich you accelerate is directly proportional to how much subjective time you experience.
Wait, doesn't getting closer to the speed of light make local time go slower?
Then this engine should be combined with traditional acceleration:
Use one for the trip there, making you age faster than your peers back on earth, and use the other for the trip back making you age slower than your peers back on earth.
The net difference in experienced time should be zero.
Quote from: :regret: on May 30, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
Hang on, let me see if i got this right.
Gravity compresses space and makes local time go slower.
Expanding space makes local time go faster.
It sounds like a 'wherever you go, there you are' problem, the effect that gives you speed is the same effect that makes the journey take longer.
The extend to wich you accelerate is directly proportional to how much subjective time you experience.
Wait, doesn't getting closer to the speed of light make local time go slower?
Then this engine should be combined with traditional acceleration:
Use one for the trip there, making you age faster than your peers back on earth, and use the other for the trip back making you age slower than your peers back on earth.
The net difference in experienced time should be zero.
I don't think you can get the kind of relative time acceleration you want with the speed of light.
For instance something travelling away from us at 3 x 10 ^ 7 m/s for 1000 years only creates a local lag of 5 years.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=time+dilation+calculator&a=*FS-_**RelativisticTimeDilationFormula.t-.*RelativisticTimeDilationFormula.to-.*RelativisticTimeDilationFormula.v--&f2=1000+year&f=RelativisticTimeDilationFormula.to_1000+year&f3=3x10^8+m%2Fs&x=6&y=6&f=RelativisticTimeDilationFormula.v\u005f3x10^8+m%2Fs
Clearly the answer isn't to speed up the craft or adjust its mass of the craft its to make the earth smaller and slower.
So the mass of the ship is involved or isnt it?
Quote from: El Twid on May 30, 2013, 03:08:33 PM
So the mass of the ship is involved or isnt it?
They say it isn't or rather that they have been able to achieve the warping effect without the huge mass. When you described the effect
"The other reason is, doesn't higher gravity end up slowing time down? That is to say, from our perspective, the ship would be moving away at faster than the speed of light, but if we could see the people on board, they would barely be moving, since time is going faster for us"
If the ship is crossing that distance at a fraction of the time it takes us then it would be the opposite, the people on board would appear to be moving incredibly fast.
Oh- i think i have it. I read recently that part the speed of light the relativistic effects are reversed so that as you approach light speed time on the ship slows down but them part light speed the faster you go the more ship time speeds up. Is that part of whats happening here?
Past not part. Phone.
Quote from: El Twid on May 30, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
Oh- i think i have it. I read recently that part the speed of light the relativistic effects are reversed so that as you approach light speed time on the ship slows down but them part light speed the faster you go the more ship time speeds up. Is that part of whats happening here?
Maybe, but the speed of light wont turn a thousand year journey into a few weeks, it will turn it into a 996 year journey so there's something more to it.
Gotcha. One of those heres what happens damned if we know why yet things.
Quote from: El Twid on May 30, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Gotcha. One of those heres what happens damned if we know why yet things.
Well, they might know. They just didn't say in that article.
From this part...
QuoteRemember, nothing locally exceeds the speed of light, but space can expand and contract at any speed," White told io9. "However, space-time is really stiff, so to create the expansion and contraction effect in a useful manner in order for us to reach interstellar destinations in reasonable time periods would require a lot of energy."
I get that the spaceship isn't moving, so much as the universe is moving and the spaceship stays still.Kinda like that joke about the narcissist and the lightbulb.
That's not a joke. I actually do that :oops:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 01, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
That's not a joke. I actually do that :oops:
Hold the lightbulb in the socket and the world rotates around you?
If that's not from a bloated ego I wish I had access to what you're on.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 01, 2013, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 01, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
That's not a joke. I actually do that :oops:
Hold the lightbulb in the socket and the world rotates around you?
If that's not from a bloated ego I wish I had access to what you're on.
Pent is actually Santa Claus. In the most geographically possible sense, the world does rotate around him.
Also, light a fire before you go to bed on Christmas. You're not going to like what he gives you if you've been nice. Being naughty is not an alternative either, since he'll take.... liberties.... with your presents.
Twid,
Has undergone reconstructive surgery, religiously lights the fireplace.
Quote from: El Twid on June 01, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 01, 2013, 08:39:52 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 01, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
That's not a joke. I actually do that :oops:
Hold the lightbulb in the socket and the world rotates around you?
If that's not from a bloated ego I wish I had access to what you're on.
Pent is actually Santa Claus. In the most geographically possible sense, the world does rotate around him.
Also, light a fire before you go to bed on Christmas. You're not going to like what he gives you if you've been nice. Being naughty is not an alternative either, since he'll take.... liberties.... with your presents.
Twid,
Has undergone reconstructive surgery, religiously lights the fireplace.
(http://media.makeadare.com/img/783420824/image_f23b4e521e.jpg)