He's a new addition to the family. We got him because our dog (a purebred pitbull) ran away and my daughter was sad. He is a chubby but not garfield fat black and white cat. He is mouthy as fuck and will yell to let us know someone is at the door, which is kind of endearingly unusual for a cat, at least i think it is. His name is Jarvis, after the butler in Iron Man. he takes a while to warm up to people, but we have had him a few weeks now and he is starting to get quite social with us.
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My wife handles the picture taking and she is out of town for work at the moment. Once she gets back I will have some pictures though. He is not a very remarkable looking cat to be honest, simply black and white and feline. he likes playing in his water bowl, which also seems odd to me, it is a giant water bowl and he will splash my daughter with the water from it.
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GET YOUR FUCKING DOG BACK NAO!
When you find him, feed the cat to him.
My dogs and my cats lie down together.
I'd sooner have cockroaches or bedbugs. They make better pets
I've had dogs and I've had cats. Love them both.
However I have had much more luck with having non-crazy, not trying to kill me cats than dogs.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 18, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
I'd sooner have cockroaches or bedbugs. They make better pets
FUCK YOU, FRY IS A GOOD GIRL.
:argh!: :argh!: :argh!:
STOP QUESTIONING HER GOODNESS.
Dogs for friends and protectors.
Cats for low-maintenance miniature sociopaths that are interesting to observe. It's like being able to watch serial killers or the SS without endangering humanity.
FRY ENJOYS CRICKETS BUT THEY UPSET HER TUMMY.
SHE IS A GOOD GIRL.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 18, 2013, 09:26:08 AM
GET YOUR FUCKING DOG BACK NAO!
When you find him, feed the cat to him.
My dog was a big pile of love, he wanted to kiss and cuddle with every other animal he met, didn't matter what it was, dog, cat, squirrel, rat he just wanted to be buddies. He's been missing a few weeks now and Pitbulls are really popular around here so I strongly suspect someone else has found him and either didn't hear the announcement on the radio or see our flyers or else didn't care and just wanted to keep him. Either way as long as it was not someone who likes fighting dogs (fortunately not very common here) I can't be too miserable. That dog loved to run and we don't really have a yard, he always had more energy than he knew what to do with.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 18, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
I'd sooner have cockroaches or bedbugs. They make better pets
KITTY WAS A GOOD BOY. HE LOVED ME.
HE DIDN'T MEAN TO ATTACK MY SCALP WHEN HE WAS SLEEPING ALL THOSE TIMES.
KITTY WAS A GOOD BOY.
A lot of people get dogs, not realizing that even very small dogs need a great deal of exercise to not go crazy. My dog ran and swam probably eighteen miles today, and she'll be antsy again by dog-thirty Friday. Small dog ran about six and she's good for a few days too. Then we do the short beach trip where we all get a few miles in Friday, and next week we do another long trip, and so on.
I miss having kitties!
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 19, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
A lot of people get dogs, not realizing that even very small dogs need a great deal of exercise to not go crazy. My dog ran and swam probably eighteen miles today, and she'll be antsy again by dog-thirty Friday. Small dog ran about six and she's good for a few days too. Then we do the short beach trip where we all get a few miles in Friday, and next week we do another long trip, and so on.
This! Mine does about 4-5 miles per day plus wrestling and tug-o-war which knackers us both out. It's like having a pet and a gym in one package.
We had three dogs while I was growing up. The first two were strays my dad decided to bring home, the last we got from a guy dad worked with.
First was a Rhodesian Ridgeback mix, we called her Lady and she was certifiable. She would eat everything in sight, literally. Can't remember how many times we had to take her to the vet because she ate the linoleum floor or the plastic grocery bags or the cleaning supplies (and yes we did try and keep those where she couldn't get them, but she always found a way). She got plenty of chance to run around and play as we had a huge backyard.
Second was a German Shepherd, we called him Lobo. He was a very, very affectionate dog. Loved me to bits. Would knock me down everytime he saw me like Dino would do to Fred in the old Flintstones cartoons. He either ran away or was stolen. Came home one day and the gate was open and there was no Lobo to be seen :(
Third was a pit mix, we called him Rascal. He lived up to his name and then some. Chewed everything in sight, ruined my waterbed and a couple volumes in an encyclopedia set. Was always scratching at me. Almost took my eye out once when I was bathing him (if I had been a second slower..). Last straw was when I had put my foot over something I had dropped so I could scoot it where I could reach it and he went mental. Attacked my foot, growling and making all kinds of racket. Scratched Dad up pretty good when he picked the pup up to put him in the hallway (the only place that we could secure him at the time). he was gone the next day.
My cats however have never once scratched me out of anger. Never have tried to eat anything they shouldn't. Never given a single problem at all. So while I love dogs, I will probably stick to being a cat person.
There's a certain mentality required to own a large or powerful dog. You need to have a strong authoritarian streak or the dog will fill that role (usually against it's wishes) but, at the same time, you need to be on it's wavelength and up for a carry on, otherwise it'll get depressed or neurotic and wired.
So me and P3nTK9 will roll around the floor for hours on end play fighting and chewing on each others limbs but when I decide it's over, it stops with one word. If you can't establish and enforce those boundaries then dog ownership is not for you. If your lifestyle prohibits long hikes most days and an investment of time to stimulate the animal mentally through play or training then you're probably better off with something like a cat.
All you have to do is feed those fucks and even that isn't really necessary, it's just a fairly reliable way to persuade them to come back home.
Yeah, I think that might have been part of the problem when I was a kid. We were never prepared for having the dogs, my dad just showed up with them when he came home from work. The poor things were alone most of the day because everyone as either at work or school.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 09:04:51 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 19, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
A lot of people get dogs, not realizing that even very small dogs need a great deal of exercise to not go crazy. My dog ran and swam probably eighteen miles today, and she'll be antsy again by dog-thirty Friday. Small dog ran about six and she's good for a few days too. Then we do the short beach trip where we all get a few miles in Friday, and next week we do another long trip, and so on.
This! Mine does about 4-5 miles per day plus wrestling and tug-o-war which knackers us both out. It's like having a pet and a gym in one package.
Yes!
Dogs are best suited as pets for people who are moderately to extremely active, depending on the dog breed. Pits and Labs definitely fall into the "extremely active" category. A LOT pf people get small dogs thinking they don't need to be worked out, and IMO that's why so many lapdog-types turn neurotic; they really need to work out as much as big dogs do, you can just scale it down to fit their size, so a chihuahua needs four miles instead of sixteen, etc.
My chi-pug mix was a ball of neuroses when I adopted her as a former puppymill breeder, and she was in such bad shape (at two years old!) that she would get tired and want to go home after a few blocks in the neighborhood. After a few years of taking her out and gradually working her up to it, she can easily run six miles with the big dogs, she's muscular and healthy, and she is vastly calmer, more confident, and less neurotic.
I think the big difference in personality that makes some people prefer dogs over cats, or vise-versa, may have to do with general athleticism vs. cuddliness. I'm not that athletic, but I am very active, and not very cuddly. Sitting around petting something on my lap doesn't sound like any fun to me at all, it sounds awful. I would rather exhaust myself in the woods and then collapse at the end of the day with a dog at my feet.
Ugh, I hate it when cats sit on my lap.
Cats are like decor that would kill you in your sleep if they could only figure out how to make Food happen.
Interaction should be minimal.
I see cats as a Cold War Pet.
Quote from: Sita on June 19, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Yeah, I think that might have been part of the problem when I was a kid. We were never prepared for having the dogs, my dad just showed up with them when he came home from work. The poor things were alone most of the day because everyone as either at work or school.
Oh yes, definitely; all of the problems you've described sound like classic boredom/inactivity/loneliness neuroses. Dogs do take work. It's just that the type of work they take comes more naturally to some people.
Cats are, generally, assholes.
That's the appeal.
That's why Bukowski liked them so much.
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 03:53:19 PM
Ugh, I hate it when cats sit on my lap.
Cats are like decor that would kill you in your sleep if they could only figure out how to make Food happen.
Interaction should be minimal.
I see cats as a Cold War Pet.
:lulz:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 19, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
I think the big difference in personality that makes some people prefer dogs over cats, or vise-versa, may have to do with general athleticism vs. cuddliness. I'm not that athletic, but I am very active, and not very cuddly. Sitting around petting something on my lap doesn't sound like any fun to me at all, it sounds awful. I would rather exhaust myself in the woods and then collapse at the end of the day with a dog at my feet.
This so explains my husband and his preference for cats.
Also explains why I love both. There are times I just want a cuddle, but do also like playing with my pets.
Quote from: Sita on June 19, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Yeah, I think that might have been part of the problem when I was a kid. We were never prepared for having the dogs, my dad just showed up with them when he came home from work. The poor things were alone most of the day because everyone as either at work or school.
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that looks like fun let's get one"
Next thing it's a year later and it turns out they "got lumbered with a psycho"
Or at least, that's how it looks to them. To an experienced dog owner it's an all too familiar and totally predictable story. Dogs require work. If you put in the effort, you will be rewarded with this furry thing that's really intelligent, loyal enough to lay down it's life for you and looks up to you as a god. It's the work thing that a lot of people don't think about.
I got a mate who trains gun dogs to retrieve birds which have been shot out the sky. He tells me people are always asking him where he got his whistle. Like it's some kind of special whistle that controls dogs as if they will be able to get theirs to come back or stop chewing the furniture if only they had one of these special whistles. Truth is he spends months training them from pups to respond to the whistle as a cue. Any whistle would do the job fine.
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Big dogs need TONS of exercise, yes. And it doesn't go exactly by size, little herding dogs like Shelties need a lot too but they can burn off at least part of the energy running around the house. But you still need to walk them and it's great if you can get them into agility or flyball, they rock at it. :) If not, park and frisbee.
Chows don't need a lot for their size. (My current and best-ever dog is a Chow mix and he does great with just long walks.)
They're rated as less intelligent but I think this translates to "less trainable" - which I totally relate to - but they're "velcro dogs" and very attuned to their humans. They WILL run all over a person who doesn't know dogs but for the most part, you can just hang out with them and they seem to pick up a lot almost by osmosis. :) Mine's not into obedience or fetching frisbees, he'll look at you like you're crazy, but he's very well behaved.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
One mistake a lot of people make with dogs is thinking that they're domesticated wolves, and should be treated like wolves.
Dogs are not wolves. They may have a common ancestor, but so do humans and chimps, and humans are not chimps.
In addition to that, a ton of what's made it into dog-training theory as "wolf behavior" is flat out wrong because the animal behavioralist who observed it and wrote books about wolf behavior studied wolves from different packs mixed together in cages, where their behavior is nothing like it is in the wild.
Dogs are dogs. Dogs are specially adapted to be responsive to humans. Luckily there are a lot of dog books and trainers out there now who focus on understanding and training dogs without pretending they're some kind of stunted wolf.
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
Best example I can think of is potty training.
First off, dogs do not associate cause and effect, only immediate behavior. So you come into the room and you notice the dog has peed on the rug. Immediately you fly off the handle and roar and bawl at the dog who, by this time has zero recollection of peeing, ever. Straight away the dog is freaked out.
"I'm getting a bollocking. What was I doing, oh yeah, chewing my chew toy. Fine! Never again, it's just not worth it, I'll try the sofa next time. Gotta chew something, right? WTF? He's still yelling. He's pointing at that puddle of pee over there. Why you yelling at me, it's obviously the pee's fault? Fine so he really hates pee. Note to self - don't let him see pee, or I'm gonna cop some flak over it"
So you clean up the pee and feel satisfied that the dog has got the message. He did, loud and clear. Just not the message you were trying to put across. Next thing you know the dog will totally not pee in front of you. Ever. You can walk that little bastard til his legs are hanging off. No dice. He's got the message all right - you hate pee. So he'll wait til you come back home, hours later, walking all funny cos all he wants to do is pee but he can't cos you'll see. Soon as you get back home what happens? Straight behind the sofa. Relief.
Good luck fixing that one :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
Best example I can think of is potty training.
First off, dogs do not associate cause and effect, only immediate behavior. So you come into the room and you notice the dog has peed on the rug. Immediately you fly off the handle and roar and bawl at the dog who, by this time has zero recollection of peeing, ever. Straight away the dog is freaked out.
"I'm getting a bollocking. What was I doing, oh yeah, chewing my chew toy. Fine! Never again, it's just not worth it, I'll try the sofa next time. Gotta chew something, right? WTF? He's still yelling. He's pointing at that puddle of pee over there. Why you yelling at me, it's obviously the pee's fault? Fine so he really hates pee. Note to self - don't let him see pee, or I'm gonna cop some flak over it"
So you clean up the pee and feel satisfied that the dog has got the message. He did, loud and clear. Just not the message you were trying to put across. Next thing you know the dog will totally not pee in front of you. Ever. You can walk that little bastard til his legs are hanging off. No dice. He's got the message all right - you hate pee. So he'll wait til you come back home, hours later, walking all funny cos all he wants to do is pee but he can't cos you'll see. Soon as you get back home what happens? Straight behind the sofa. Relief.
Good luck fixing that one :lulz:
YEP. Spot-on! It's like yelling at and punishing a dog for not coming to you when you call. Dog ain't EVER coming to you, you freak out whenever you get hold of him after calling him, you crazy motherfucker! No. Instead, reward the dog with pets and treats every time he comes to you.
I've finally (mostly) resolved Little Dog's peeing in the house by putting her food bowl right over every pee spot she makes. SHE HATES IT. She probably thinks I'm insane. She circles her food bowl, just fucking HORRIFIED, every time I do it (I do clean up the pee first, but she knows). However, she is also finally figuring out that the only way to make the madness stop is to pee OUTSIDE.
What I did with mine was, when he was a pup, he'd pee every time he woke up (most of them do) so I'd pick him up as soon as his eyes opened, dump him outside and, as soon as he started, I'd yell "pee pees!" in a comdey high pitched voice then stuff a treat down his throat. if I fucked up and missed it. I'd just ignore the whole thing then clean it up when he was done.
Pretty much as soon as he gained a bit of bladder control he'd be clawing at the back door, whining, cos he knew he only got the happy noise and the scooby snack if it happened outside. So I'd let him out and sure enough "trickle"... "PEE PEES" ... "Chomp!" but it doesn't end there.
Thanks to the work of Mr Pavlov we know that the act of peeing and the happy noise have become inextricably linked in the dog and it's a two way street. So now when we're out all I have to tell him is "Pee Pees" and liquid comes out. That's kinda dog training in a nutshell.
When compared to Nigel's experience this is why I like to get them young. I wish I had the patience to take on a rescue but I don't and have nothing but admiration and appreciation for folks who do.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
What I did with mine was, when he was a pup, he'd pee every time he woke up (most of them do) so I'd pick him up as soon as his eyes opened, dump him outside and, as soon as he started, I'd yell "pee pees!" in a comdey high pitched voice then stuff a treat down his throat. if I fucked up and missed it. I'd just ignore the whole thing then clean it up when he was done.
Pretty much as soon as he gained a bit of bladder control he'd be clawing at the back door, whining, cos he knew he only got the happy noise and the scooby snack if it happened outside. So I'd let him out and sure enough "trickle"... "PEE PEES" ... "Chomp!" but it doesn't end there.
Thanks to the work of Mr Pavlov we know that the act of peeing and the happy noise have become inextricably linked in the dog and it's a two way street. So now when we're out all I have to tell him is "Pee Pees" and liquid comes out. That's kinda dog training in a nutshell.
When compared to Nigel's experience this is why I like to get them young. I wish I had the patience to take on a rescue but I don't and have nothing but admiration and appreciation for folks who do.
I have a rescue, but whomever his prior owners were, he was completely house trained. He has sicked up in the house once, but never pissed or shat in it, no matter how desperate he is.
Pretty sure they also beat him pretty badly. It's been 7 months, and he's just now able to pass people in the house without cringing.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
Best example I can think of is potty training.
First off, dogs do not associate cause and effect, only immediate behavior. So you come into the room and you notice the dog has peed on the rug. Immediately you fly off the handle and roar and bawl at the dog who, by this time has zero recollection of peeing, ever. Straight away the dog is freaked out.
"I'm getting a bollocking. What was I doing, oh yeah, chewing my chew toy. Fine! Never again, it's just not worth it, I'll try the sofa next time. Gotta chew something, right? WTF? He's still yelling. He's pointing at that puddle of pee over there. Why you yelling at me, it's obviously the pee's fault? Fine so he really hates pee. Note to self - don't let him see pee, or I'm gonna cop some flak over it"
So you clean up the pee and feel satisfied that the dog has got the message. He did, loud and clear. Just not the message you were trying to put across. Next thing you know the dog will totally not pee in front of you. Ever. You can walk that little bastard til his legs are hanging off. No dice. He's got the message all right - you hate pee. So he'll wait til you come back home, hours later, walking all funny cos all he wants to do is pee but he can't cos you'll see. Soon as you get back home what happens? Straight behind the sofa. Relief.
Good luck fixing that one :lulz:
SO. MUCH. THIS.
I've known people who thought "crate training" meant putting newspapers in the crate to pee and shit on, and expected the puppy to sleep in there, too. SHIT AND PISS WHERE THEY SLEEP.
I don't go off on people often, but that's pretty much a guarantee.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 19, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
I have a rescue, but whomever his prior owners were, he was completely house trained. He has sicked up in the house once, but never pissed or shat in it, no matter how desperate he is.
Pretty sure they also beat him pretty badly. It's been 7 months, and he's just now able to pass people in the house without cringing.
Mine hates getting his head patted. Like fucking hates it. He's never been beaten or anything I'm pretty sure it's just a personal preference but he cringes like hell if you go to pat him on the head, turning round so you can scratch the little magical bit no dog can reach, at the base of the tail.
Pretty sure I know what folks who try to pat him on the head are thinking, tho. :cry:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 19, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
Best example I can think of is potty training.
First off, dogs do not associate cause and effect, only immediate behavior. So you come into the room and you notice the dog has peed on the rug. Immediately you fly off the handle and roar and bawl at the dog who, by this time has zero recollection of peeing, ever. Straight away the dog is freaked out.
"I'm getting a bollocking. What was I doing, oh yeah, chewing my chew toy. Fine! Never again, it's just not worth it, I'll try the sofa next time. Gotta chew something, right? WTF? He's still yelling. He's pointing at that puddle of pee over there. Why you yelling at me, it's obviously the pee's fault? Fine so he really hates pee. Note to self - don't let him see pee, or I'm gonna cop some flak over it"
So you clean up the pee and feel satisfied that the dog has got the message. He did, loud and clear. Just not the message you were trying to put across. Next thing you know the dog will totally not pee in front of you. Ever. You can walk that little bastard til his legs are hanging off. No dice. He's got the message all right - you hate pee. So he'll wait til you come back home, hours later, walking all funny cos all he wants to do is pee but he can't cos you'll see. Soon as you get back home what happens? Straight behind the sofa. Relief.
Good luck fixing that one :lulz:
YEP. Spot-on! It's like yelling at and punishing a dog for not coming to you when you call. Dog ain't EVER coming to you, you freak out whenever you get hold of him after calling him, you crazy motherfucker! No. Instead, reward the dog with pets and treats every time he comes to you.
I've finally (mostly) resolved Little Dog's peeing in the house by putting her food bowl right over every pee spot she makes. SHE HATES IT. She probably thinks I'm insane. She circles her food bowl, just fucking HORRIFIED, every time I do it (I do clean up the pee first, but she knows). However, she is also finally figuring out that the only way to make the madness stop is to pee OUTSIDE.
This is GENIUS.
And in spite of sniffing pee when you take them out, they don't want to LIVE in it any more than people do. I've housetrained most of my dogs by simply TAKING THEM OUTSIDE OFTEN ENOUGH. But I'm going to remember the food bowl thing if I get a problem pee-er. Thanks! :D
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 19, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
I have a rescue, but whomever his prior owners were, he was completely house trained. He has sicked up in the house once, but never pissed or shat in it, no matter how desperate he is.
Pretty sure they also beat him pretty badly. It's been 7 months, and he's just now able to pass people in the house without cringing.
Mine hates getting his head patted. Like fucking hates it. He's never been beaten or anything I'm pretty sure it's just a personal preference but he cringes like hell if you go to pat him on the head, turning round so you can scratch the little magical bit no dog can reach, at the base of the tail.
Pretty sure I know what folks who try to pat him on the head are thinking, tho. :cry:
You've probably done this, but check his ears if you haven't already. Might be something sore in there.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 19, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
What I did with mine was, when he was a pup, he'd pee every time he woke up (most of them do) so I'd pick him up as soon as his eyes opened, dump him outside and, as soon as he started, I'd yell "pee pees!" in a comdey high pitched voice then stuff a treat down his throat. if I fucked up and missed it. I'd just ignore the whole thing then clean it up when he was done.
Pretty much as soon as he gained a bit of bladder control he'd be clawing at the back door, whining, cos he knew he only got the happy noise and the scooby snack if it happened outside. So I'd let him out and sure enough "trickle"... "PEE PEES" ... "Chomp!" but it doesn't end there.
Thanks to the work of Mr Pavlov we know that the act of peeing and the happy noise have become inextricably linked in the dog and it's a two way street. So now when we're out all I have to tell him is "Pee Pees" and liquid comes out. That's kinda dog training in a nutshell.
When compared to Nigel's experience this is why I like to get them young. I wish I had the patience to take on a rescue but I don't and have nothing but admiration and appreciation for folks who do.
I have a rescue, but whomever his prior owners were, he was completely house trained. He has sicked up in the house once, but never pissed or shat in it, no matter how desperate he is.
Pretty sure they also beat him pretty badly. It's been 7 months, and he's just now able to pass people in the house without cringing.
Ouch. Completely house trained, and he's a Chow, isn't he? Politest dogs on earth.
Glad he's at your place now. Fuck.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Alty on June 19, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
It's a pretty common problem. A lot of people see people with dogs and think "ooh that
Also a lot of dog training is counter intuitive, as a result of how dogs minds work. First time dog owners make a lot of mistakes this way and, as a result, a lot of the training can actually work backwards :lulz:
Would you mind elaborating on this point? I feel this may have been my problem with dogs on the past.
Best example I can think of is potty training.
First off, dogs do not associate cause and effect, only immediate behavior. So you come into the room and you notice the dog has peed on the rug. Immediately you fly off the handle and roar and bawl at the dog who, by this time has zero recollection of peeing, ever. Straight away the dog is freaked out.
"I'm getting a bollocking. What was I doing, oh yeah, chewing my chew toy. Fine! Never again, it's just not worth it, I'll try the sofa next time. Gotta chew something, right? WTF? He's still yelling. He's pointing at that puddle of pee over there. Why you yelling at me, it's obviously the pee's fault? Fine so he really hates pee. Note to self - don't let him see pee, or I'm gonna cop some flak over it"
So you clean up the pee and feel satisfied that the dog has got the message. He did, loud and clear. Just not the message you were trying to put across. Next thing you know the dog will totally not pee in front of you. Ever. You can walk that little bastard til his legs are hanging off. No dice. He's got the message all right - you hate pee. So he'll wait til you come back home, hours later, walking all funny cos all he wants to do is pee but he can't cos you'll see. Soon as you get back home what happens? Straight behind the sofa. Relief.
Good luck fixing that one :lulz:
That's a great distinctuon I never knew dogs had. That makes total sense.
Thanks!
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Cat thread now exclusively about dogs. Situation averted. Stand down
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I like my cats part dog, and my dogs part cat.
(Why yes, I did own a spaniel and a tabby kitten, why do you ask?)
Our two cats are a russian blue and an american bombay :)
My cats breath smells like cat food.
And crickets.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 19, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
A lot of people get dogs, not realizing that even very small dogs need a great deal of exercise to not go crazy. My dog ran and swam probably eighteen miles today, and she'll be antsy again by dog-thirty Friday. Small dog ran about six and she's good for a few days too. Then we do the short beach trip where we all get a few miles in Friday, and next week we do another long trip, and so on.
I kinda knew the dog would be too much when we got him, but he had been purchased by retarded criminal cousin, who was now moving somewhere dogs were not allowed and better the dog be at my house than sent to the pound.
Had a lizard get in. I'm expecting a present from Sofie in a day or two (she's the hunter of the two) if I can't find it.
There is currently a hedgehog, camped out under my shed. P3nTK9 has to be supervised when peeing. "Leave it!"
First fucking terrier I've pwnt. There is a sheer, bloody determination there that was missing from the more instruction friendly Shepherds and Labs I've had before. This little bastard will give you 110% attention up until such a time as a rabbit or squirrel crosses his nose. He chases deer. Never catches them. It's good exercise for him. I'll sic him on them. "Rabbits!" I never bothered breaking it down - "food smelling animal to chase - go!" "Rabbits!" one size fits all.
From that moment on, until he finds himself alone in the woods, quarry gone, and none too sure where I am. Then he'd take a recall command but he doesn't get one. I've hidden behind a big fat old scots pine. If a dog is in the habit of fucking off on its own and refusing to come back, one logical human reaction is to chase after it. Dogs love this. And will run away for hours. I've seen them playing this game down the park with owners who are fucking clueless to what's going on. He gets cocky in the woods - "I can always find them they shout and yell. No worries. I'm off in here."
However, I take him up the woods and off he goes and I shout once and then hide. Every time he disappears - duck down in a ditch or something. Pretty soon he gets the message I want him to get - "I have to keep an eye on this bastard."
If you wrote a Dog How To I would read that shit.
I read a bunch of things about dogs years ago in an effort to understand what the appeal is.
Your posts ITT were more helpful than any of those pulp piles.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
What I did with mine was, when he was a pup, he'd pee every time he woke up (most of them do) so I'd pick him up as soon as his eyes opened, dump him outside and, as soon as he started, I'd yell "pee pees!" in a comdey high pitched voice then stuff a treat down his throat. if I fucked up and missed it. I'd just ignore the whole thing then clean it up when he was done.
Pretty much as soon as he gained a bit of bladder control he'd be clawing at the back door, whining, cos he knew he only got the happy noise and the scooby snack if it happened outside. So I'd let him out and sure enough "trickle"... "PEE PEES" ... "Chomp!" but it doesn't end there.
Thanks to the work of Mr Pavlov we know that the act of peeing and the happy noise have become inextricably linked in the dog and it's a two way street. So now when we're out all I have to tell him is "Pee Pees" and liquid comes out. That's kinda dog training in a nutshell.
When compared to Nigel's experience this is why I like to get them young. I wish I had the patience to take on a rescue but I don't and have nothing but admiration and appreciation for folks who do.
Yep
Poor little fucker probably spent most of her first two years in a crate, and has NO frame of reference for pissing outside being a fun-good thing.
Still, she's doing way better.
Amusingly, FBF's "pee pees" for her dog is "make it happen" in a completely solemn tone.
I can't even hear that phrase in any other context without thinking of it as a command to urinate.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 19, 2013, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
What I did with mine was, when he was a pup, he'd pee every time he woke up (most of them do) so I'd pick him up as soon as his eyes opened, dump him outside and, as soon as he started, I'd yell "pee pees!" in a comdey high pitched voice then stuff a treat down his throat. if I fucked up and missed it. I'd just ignore the whole thing then clean it up when he was done.
Pretty much as soon as he gained a bit of bladder control he'd be clawing at the back door, whining, cos he knew he only got the happy noise and the scooby snack if it happened outside. So I'd let him out and sure enough "trickle"... "PEE PEES" ... "Chomp!" but it doesn't end there.
Thanks to the work of Mr Pavlov we know that the act of peeing and the happy noise have become inextricably linked in the dog and it's a two way street. So now when we're out all I have to tell him is "Pee Pees" and liquid comes out. That's kinda dog training in a nutshell.
When compared to Nigel's experience this is why I like to get them young. I wish I had the patience to take on a rescue but I don't and have nothing but admiration and appreciation for folks who do.
I have a rescue, but whomever his prior owners were, he was completely house trained. He has sicked up in the house once, but never pissed or shat in it, no matter how desperate he is.
Pretty sure they also beat him pretty badly. It's been 7 months, and he's just now able to pass people in the house without cringing.
Poor pooper. :(
Quote from: Cain on June 19, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
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Quote from: Waffleman on June 20, 2013, 12:48:53 AM
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That is a fucking cute motherfucking dog, Waffles.
She's adorably derpy, to borrow a term I read recently. :lulz:
She looks concerned.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on June 19, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
I like my cats part dog, and my dogs part cat.
(Why yes, I did own a spaniel and a tabby kitten, why do you ask?)
Yuo needs a fox.
Waffles dog is tha BOMB.
And yeah, P3nt: WRITE A THREAD OR A BOOK OR SOMETHING. THIS IS GREAT STUFF.
Dogs do need plenty of exercise:
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Haha. Mine does that! :lulz:
I love yoga dog!
After thinking about it, this is the main reason I don't care for most dogs: they're in my bubble. Other people's dogs get in my god damned bubble. They bark for hours, at various time im trying to sleep. They get unleashed where they're not supposed to be, jump on me, muddy or not, and I'm greeted with a wan smile, as though I find this perfectly adorable. They shit and their people leave their shit to sit.
So, in the end, my problem is with horrible dog owners, as opposed to the hapless animals themselves.
I am really happy with my cat. He is affectionate in a mellow sort of way, coming by for some petting and then heading off again without doing the laying on my keyboard or book thing that some cats do, he likes to play and bite and such, but he is pretty good about keeping his claws sheathed and not biting too hard. He's really everything I like about cats without any of the stuff that I don't.
Quote from: Alty on June 21, 2013, 04:48:04 PM
I love yoga dog!
After thinking about it, this is the main reason I don't care for most dogs: they're in my bubble. Other people's dogs get in my god damned bubble. They bark for hours, at various time im trying to sleep. They get unleashed where they're not supposed to be, jump on me, muddy or not, and I'm greeted with a wan smile, as though I find this perfectly adorable. They shit and their people leave their shit to sit.
So, in the end, my problem is with horrible dog owners, as opposed to the hapless animals themselves.
Yep, oh my god, bad dog owners are such assholes.
Really, anyone who just lets their pets run around uncontrolled. One of my pet peeves is cats using my fucking garden as a litterbox. I know some of them are feral, but I also know perfectly well that most of them have homes and their people let them roam around outside at will
makes me wish we had more eagles.
Some people think keeping a cat indoors is cruel.
Unlike, say, shortening its lifespan by 2/3's, severely affecting local bird populations, and allowing them to shit in peoples gardens.
We couldn't keep our cats inside.
It was either the local bird population and your garden, or every fragile object in the house and the carpet.
Hah.
That's fair. I'm not allowed to have nice things what with the toddler anyway. Come to think of it, I've never had nice things.
Because of cats. Little fuckers!
Quote from: Cain on June 22, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
We couldn't keep our cats inside.
It was either the local bird population and your garden, or every fragile object in the house and the carpet.
That's because cats are shitty pets.
Pug lyfe
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Quote from: Cain on June 24, 2013, 01:59:11 PM
Pug lyfe
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That is an adorable dog.