Am I the only one who thinks that order isn't all bad?
depends...
in ones own emotional life/view of life (including religion, science, ideology etc) i find order to to lack ingredients to make audible words out of my thoughts.
i go for the order when things needs to be done and i badly want them to be done and 'chaos' the rest of the way.
yet, chaos is still order and order is still chaos because i feel that there must be order in chaos, for instance small packages of chaoes for my mind to understand it/them/etc.
no, i don't know.
i savour balanced unbalance.
so yeah order is great.
I'm a compulsive order-seeker. I automatically begin to rearrange my surroundings to reflect some sort of pattern, and I look for patterns in events and personalities. My redeeming characteristic, though, is that my sense of humor is so DISorderly.
I'm actually pretty messy sometimes now that I'm all grown up and can be. Sometimes I wish I was moer orderly about my environment. My Dad used to condemn nonorder extremely harshly. Just little things like leaving something out of place would leave him screaming at me like a banshee. He'd probly faint if he saw my apartment the way it is now. Maybe I'll clean it better, lest he visit to haunt me. I think order has its pros and cons, just like chaos.
i greatly enjoy finding patterns in what at first appears to be a mess or disorderly, and disorder in what appears to be very orderly.
from simplicity flows complexity.
every buildign starts with a single brick.
If not for order, how would the pizza get from the oven to your house?
Um... via chaos?
Quote from: agent compassionIf not for order, how would the pizza get from the oven to your house?
the robot moved in chaostery.
Hehe...
"Chaos Pizza - If it's not at your house within 30 minutes, then it'll be somewhere else. Or cake."
There used to be a place here in Omaha during the seventies called "Satans Pizza". I think thats awesome, and would love to open up a pizza place by the same name some day.
Thats also the name of my store in Kingdom of Loathing.
Quote from: Z¬?There used to be a place here in Omaha during the seventies called "Satans Pizza". I think thats awesome, and would love to open up a pizza place by the same name some day.
Thats also the name of my store in Kingdom of Loathing.
A: You live in Omaha? I'm sorry.... I feel the suffering. I feel the pain. Do you go to UNO? I feel the suffering and pain even worse.
B: They had a SATAN'S PIZZA? In THIS TOWN? Are you fucking SHITTING ME?
C: Don't answer the part about shitting me. I don't wanna know.
Anyway, who are you and how would I know you?
Quote from: PricklyQuote from: Z¬?There used to be a place here in Omaha during the seventies called "Satans Pizza". I think thats awesome, and would love to open up a pizza place by the same name some day.
Thats also the name of my store in Kingdom of Loathing.
A: You live in Omaha? I'm sorry.... I feel the suffering. I feel the pain. Do you go to UNO? I feel the suffering and pain even worse.
B: They had a SATAN'S PIZZA? In THIS TOWN? Are you fucking SHITTING ME?
C: Don't answer the part about shitting me. I don't wanna know.
Anyway, who are you and how would I know you?
I dont go to UNO because I'm not currently in school, I'm not sure how you'd know me, except that I live at the powerpad and until recently this is where they did hardcore/punk shows (ever since the Cog Factory shut down, may it rest in peace.)
Satans Pizza used to be downtown in the seventies, I believe where Howard Street was (until very recently). From what I understand, back in that day, the old market was nothing more than head shops/record stores... which isnt much different than what it is now, just with more crap and a couple bookstores. This is all heresay, of course, and I was skeptical at first... but I've heard it now from two different sources (unrelated) so I'm pretty sure its true.
I couldnt tell you much about myself that would give you any clue if you knew me, because a lot of that depends on who you know... there is a good chance of it, because I know the way this town works. Anyway, I'm 22 and I used to go to Central High School... I also used to go out to a lot of shows, and I know a lot of people in the local music shit (I cant think of a better way to put it.).
Anyway, you and I are probably two out of maybe twenty or thirty registered libertarians in the county.
I don't mind order and often find it very useful.
But I'm not often successful in my attempts to maintain order.
I start out with the best intentions in the world and then things just seem to get out of hand and chaos erupts.
Quote from: Z¬?I dont go to UNO because I'm not currently in school, I'm not sure how you'd know me, except that I live at the powerpad and until recently this is where they did hardcore/punk shows (ever since the Cog Factory shut down, may it rest in peace.)
Satans Pizza used to be downtown in the seventies, I believe where Howard Street was (until very recently). From what I understand, back in that day, the old market was nothing more than head shops/record stores... which isnt much different than what it is now, just with more crap and a couple bookstores. This is all heresay, of course, and I was skeptical at first... but I've heard it now from two different sources (unrelated) so I'm pretty sure its true.
I couldnt tell you much about myself that would give you any clue if you knew me, because a lot of that depends on who you know... there is a good chance of it, because I know the way this town works. Anyway, I'm 22 and I used to go to Central High School... I also used to go out to a lot of shows, and I know a lot of people in the local music shit (I cant think of a better way to put it.).
Anyway, you and I are probably two out of maybe twenty or thirty registered libertarians in the county.
Actually, there are about 3000 registered Libertarians statewide (only 75 or so of whom have paid dues to the party itself, but we won't get mad at the rest of the 3000 since they at least vote for us). Anyway, the NE LP has meetings the second or third or so sunday of each month (I think it's the third sunday) at 1pm at Godfather's Pizza on 70somethingth and Pacific (the one in the same shopping center as Lee's, which is a damn good chinese place).
I'm 21, but went to Burke, and am not into the local music scene at all, so we've probably never met, unless you've been to any Libertarian events and I just didn't notice.
Also, I happen to work at the Taco Bell at 120th & Center (the shopping center with the Baker's that used to be an Albertson's and before that an empty shell of a store, and before that a HyVee). The earliest I start work is about 7pm, some nights I don't start until 10pm, but if you happen to come through really late one night and there's a guy with long brown hair working the drive through, say a Hail Eris.
See ya at some Libertarian evenst? :) I'm a political science major, so I'll probably be Nebraska's campaign coordinator in 2006, so volunteers are always appreciated.
*volunteers you*
Edit: PS: Have you ever played 1000 blank white cards? I've managed to get quite a few local converts. :twisted:
Quote from: PricklyQuote from: Z¬?I dont go to UNO because I'm not currently in school, I'm not sure how you'd know me, except that I live at the powerpad and until recently this is where they did hardcore/punk shows (ever since the Cog Factory shut down, may it rest in peace.)
Satans Pizza used to be downtown in the seventies, I believe where Howard Street was (until very recently). From what I understand, back in that day, the old market was nothing more than head shops/record stores... which isnt much different than what it is now, just with more crap and a couple bookstores. This is all heresay, of course, and I was skeptical at first... but I've heard it now from two different sources (unrelated) so I'm pretty sure its true.
I couldnt tell you much about myself that would give you any clue if you knew me, because a lot of that depends on who you know... there is a good chance of it, because I know the way this town works. Anyway, I'm 22 and I used to go to Central High School... I also used to go out to a lot of shows, and I know a lot of people in the local music shit (I cant think of a better way to put it.).
Anyway, you and I are probably two out of maybe twenty or thirty registered libertarians in the county.
Actually, there are about 3000 registered Libertarians statewide (only 75 or so of whom have paid dues to the party itself, but we won't get mad at the rest of the 3000 since they at least vote for us). Anyway, the NE LP has meetings the second or third or so sunday of each month (I think it's the third sunday) at 1pm at Godfather's Pizza on 70somethingth and Pacific (the one in the same shopping center as Lee's, which is a damn good chinese place).
I'm 21, but went to Burke, and am not into the local music scene at all, so we've probably never met, unless you've been to any Libertarian events and I just didn't notice.
Also, I happen to work at the Taco Bell at 120th & Center (the shopping center with the Baker's that used to be an Albertson's and before that an empty shell of a store, and before that a HyVee). The earliest I start work is about 7pm, some nights I don't start until 10pm, but if you happen to come through really late one night and there's a guy with long brown hair working the drive through, say a Hail Eris.
See ya at some Libertarian evenst? :) I'm a political science major, so I'll probably be Nebraska's campaign coordinator in 2006, so volunteers are always appreciated.
*volunteers you*
I might come to one of those things some time, my room-mate used to go on a semi-regular basis, but its hard to motivate me to get out of the house being as that I either use our shitty-ass public transit, or else I walk.
I live midtown, and rarely go that far out west, unless it really suits my fancy to do so.
... and as far as local music goes, I dont blame you at all. Our local music scene is, primarily, crap. I live in a house that did shows, and I can think of maybe four local bands that I've liked over the past six years. Thats not saying that I havent been friends with people in bands over that time, I have been, and with one notable exception they were all crap.
Anyway, I'll add you to my AIM list so I can shout out some idle banter at you sometime.
Quote from: Prickly
blah blah blah at 1pm at Godfather's Pizza on 70somethingth and Pacific (the one in the same shopping center as Lee's, which is a damn good chinese place).
Goatfucker's Pizza is the devil...and Omaha is the center of their deviltry...
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Turd Ferguson,
Ex-General Manager of 3 Goatfucker's locations in Pugetopolis
Quote from: Z¬?I might come to one of those things some time, my room-mate used to go on a semi-regular basis, but its hard to motivate me to get out of the house being as that I either use our shitty-ass public transit, or else I walk.
I live midtown, and rarely go that far out west, unless it really suits my fancy to do so.
... and as far as local music goes, I dont blame you at all. Our local music scene is, primarily, crap. I live in a house that did shows, and I can think of maybe four local bands that I've liked over the past six years. Thats not saying that I havent been friends with people in bands over that time, I have been, and with one notable exception they were all crap.
Anyway, I'll add you to my AIM list so I can shout out some idle banter at you sometime.
*sigh* That will mean getting Trillian working again, won't it? And here I had finally driven away all my friends who don't use YIM.... although I dunno if my yahoo is listed here. I'll double check my profile later.
And, hey, I hear you. What with tuition and having to pay part of my dad's bills, I can't afford a car, so I generally don't go much of anywhere without someone driving me there.
And, yeah, the busses in Omaha suck
ass. I remember having used the busses in Vegas when I was a kid (9-10 or so), and the busses there made sense. Ran straight up and down the major streets. Here the busses go from one mall to another, so if you're like me and think the malls suck you can't really go much of anywhere.
Oh, and you think 120th and Center is way far west? Nearly all my friends atm live in Millard. :) I used to walk down to about 144th & Industrial or so to meet up with them, and most of them live further west than that (156-168th or so). What you think of as "central" omaha will soon be known as "east" omaha. :?
It's all about Hodge and Podge to me. Order is just as necessary as chaos, because you can't fully appreciate one without the other, and an excess of either is apt to make folks miserable. The trouble starts when people get vehement in opposing one or the other.
Order has its uses, you obviously need it for some things. Unfortunately, its an addiction for some people and they have to put it into every aspect of their life. These people occasionally get public office too. Then the trouble starts...
A quick search through your PD will reveal the quadrant chart of Creative/Destructive and Order/Disorder. One point maid of said chart is that to follow the creative, both the Hodge and Podge of order and disorder are maintained, but to follow either Order or Disorder, ther will always be destruction.
PS - To say that "things must be destroyed in order for new things to be built" is, for me, contained in creative disorder, not in destructive disorder.
QuotePS - To say that "things must be destroyed in order for new things to be built" is, for me, contained in creative disorder, not in destructive disorder.
Depends on what's being destroyed and how.
The demolition of a condemned building is a beautiful thing, not just because it's a nonlethal way for us to satisfy our craving to see things go BOOM, but also because the space is cleared for a new creation....but the bombing of a city "to save it" is just wanton destruction, with no consideration for the consequences....
Agreed. For me, the teaing down of a building in order to make a better one, or to buld a park is Creative Disorder. Blowing shit up to kill people is Destructive Disorder.
what about killing people to make way for new people?
how about blowing people up who are in teh way of an ideal like peace or freedom or prosperity?
fuck it...how about if you're just killing people because there are too goddamned many of them?
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why not.
also i don'
t see how you equate the destruction of a building with creativeness or disorder.
these tend to be very choreagraphed things, usually ending in the general destruction of the structure.
Quote from: Tim LearySMIILE: Space Migration, Increase Intelligence, Life Extension.
If this doesn't make sense to you, you haven't been paying attention.
Quotewhat about killing people to make way for new people?
Horab honey, didn't anyone ever sit you down and tell you the "facts of life?"
We're not in the midst of a people shortage, and even if we were, killing the old ones isn't how you get new ones!
Quotehow about blowing people up who are in teh way of an ideal like peace or freedom or prosperity?
Counter-productive. Committing violence sends the message that violence is condoned, and it will only encourage them. It creates the revenge cycle....you hit me, I hit you, you hit me back, I hit you back....before you know it everyone's brawling and nobody knows who started it or why, and nobody knows what else to do so they keep hitting.
Besides, how do we know that we're on the right side and they're on the wrong? Perhaps they think WE are in the way. Perhaps they are operating under a different definition of "peace, freedom or prosperity" and see US as the problem. There are multiple viewpoints to the situation, and you need ALL of them to solve the problem, but you can't do that by killing off everyone who disagrees with you - because you'll NEVER run out of people to disagree with for starters, and also because everyone operates out of a certain degree of self-interest i.e. personal security, prosperity etc and these things are not reserved for some beings over others; they are human rights.
just throwing some stuff out there... :P
Actually, Neither Fibslager's nor Turds suggestions were really creative, so I guess that's the short answer.
actually, my secret point was that it's almost impossible to have creative order without destructive disorder, and it's almost impossible to have creative disorder without desrtuctive order, and vices versas....they are, by nature, all hte same thing, really...
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That whole spiel in the PD about order and all that was actually a joke but the writers probably didn't get it.
Quote from: Turd Fergusonactually, my secret point was that it's almost impossible to have creative order without destructive disorder, and it's almost impossible to have creative disorder without desrtuctive order, and vices versas....they are, by nature, all hte same thing, really...
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Well, bring it up a meta level Turd, and realize that sin
everything is the same thing until we define it (that is, create our personalized map of reality); from there, we can make distinctions between creative and destructive, partially by agreed upon terms, partially on self-imposed terms. which makes personal actions/reactions a matter of am mix of public and personal interpretion. That is, it's all the same thing, until you call it something.
yeah, I understand that, but there are still separate defined things that by nature only appear with other separate defined things...like, ice cream cones and ice cream are separate defined things, but who goes around eating just an ice cream cone? destructive disorder by nature propagates creative order and destructive order by nature propagates creative disorder...
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::walks by eating just an ice cream cone::
Hmm? You were saying?
:walks by just eating the ice cream:
But seriously (yeah, right), Saying one "begats" the other, while very true, doesn't necessarily mean one has to do one or the other (the Zend kids would say to do neither, but fuck them, they're no fun). You can make a choice & ride the crest of Creative Disorder, or you can come crashing down with the Destructive Disorder. As the man says, you takes your pick.
Quote from: Turd Fergusonlike, ice cream cones and ice cream are separate defined things, but who goes around eating just an ice cream cone?
Conformist! Slave to the shackle of tradition!
's truth. Ice cream cones are really good all by themselves if you dip them in melted chocolate.
HERESY ALERT!!!!
DISCONTINUE READING THIS POST IF YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO HERESY!!
I don't like chocolate....
that's it
you saw it here
conclusive proof
turd is not human
Chocolate is overrated. Since trying the ubiquitos deep fried mars bar of scotland, I'm not that keen on them either...
Quote from: ScribeChocolate is overrated. Since trying the ubiquitos deep fried mars bar of scotland, I'm not that keen on them either...
. . .omg I just got wood from thinking about deep fried Mars bars.
I think I'd better go lie down now, and re-evaluate my life. And drink.
Quote from: Turd FergusonHERESY ALERT!!!!
DISCONTINUE READING THIS POST IF YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO HERESY!!
I don't like chocolate....
I wonder if Turd understands the concept of dipping it in what he likes.
the suggestion was based on the previous posters liking for chocolate, sure, but I also realize that turd probably has a confectionary treat that he does like that he could dip his cones into.... but I have been known to be wrong.
hmm...ice cream cones dipped in tequila?
nah....they'd just get soggy.....
and it'd be a waste of good tequila.
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Well no matter what, they're gonna be dipped in Turd, right?
Quote from: Turd Fergusonhmm...ice cream cones dipped in tequila?
nah....they'd just get soggy.....
and it'd be a waste of good tequila.
8)
I said confectionary and on this topic I have had somewonderfull lollypops made from tequila.
yeah, well...
LOLLIPOPS > SOGGY ICE CREAM CONES
Deep fried mars bar > food for a week
Quote from: Turd Fergusonyeah, well...
LOLLIPOPS > SOGGY ICE CREAM CONES
sure but that illustrates the ability to dip the cones in a confectionary tequila with out the cones becoming soggy.
wtf?
you lost me somewhere...
how does tequila flavored lollipops have any-fucking-thing to do with whether or not ice cream cones get soggy?
in your rush to prove me a loudmothed idiot, you seem to have left behind your bag o' intelligent thought....
A friend of mine also dislikes chocolate.
however he's allergic to it, so his reason is legitamate.
Quote from: agent compassionQuotewhat about killing people to make way for new people?
Horab honey, didn't anyone ever sit you down and tell you the "facts of life?"
We're not in the midst of a people shortage, and even if we were, killing the old ones isn't how you get new ones!
Quotehow about blowing people up who are in teh way of an ideal like peace or freedom or prosperity?
Counter-productive. Committing violence sends the message that violence is condoned, and it will only encourage them. It creates the revenge cycle....you hit me, I hit you, you hit me back, I hit you back....before you know it everyone's brawling and nobody knows who started it or why, and nobody knows what else to do so they keep hitting.
Besides, how do we know that we're on the right side and they're on the wrong? Perhaps they think WE are in the way. Perhaps they are operating under a different definition of "peace, freedom or prosperity" and see US as the problem. There are multiple viewpoints to the situation, and you need ALL of them to solve the problem, but you can't do that by killing off everyone who disagrees with you - because you'll NEVER run out of people to disagree with for starters, and also because everyone operates out of a certain degree of self-interest i.e. personal security, prosperity etc and these things are not reserved for some beings over others; they are human rights.
also incidentally that's why i go with the qwu-wei over active particpation.
effective non-action is always more effective than effective action.
it's also important to remember that nobody moves and nobody gets hurt.
Quote from: Turd Fergusonwtf?
you lost me somewhere...
how does tequila flavored lollipops have any-fucking-thing to do with whether or not ice cream cones get soggy?
in your rush to prove me a loudmothed idiot, you seem to have left behind your bag o' intelligent thought....
If I may....
Take 5-6 tequila-flavored lollipops.
Crush with hammer, plumbing wrench, or bottom of fire extingusher.
Mist lightly with tequila (to partially dissolve the candy & makes it sticky. I recommend doing a shot of tequila & performing a well-aimed spit take).
Dip cone in candy, which will now stick to cone.
Viola! Tequila-coated cone!
[edit: and vegan, too!]
That's a super idea.
If you moistened just the inside of the cone and sprinkled the candy in there, it'd be a neat little flavor surprise if you actually use the things to serve ice-cream in.
::curtseys::
Wait, ice cream dipped in ranch dressing?
*shudders*
Chocolate = good
Coffee = doubleplusgood
Chocolate + coffee = better than sex.
no way.
not a chance.
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Quote from: EraPassingChocolate = good
Coffee = doubleplusgood
Chocolate + coffee = better than sex.
Sex dipped in chocolate + coffee afterwards = Teh Win.
Quote from: Llama Wishfart Rinpoche
Sex dipped in chocolate + coffee afterwards = Teh Win.
And a cigarette afterward = me in love
*grabs chocolate, coffee, and a pack of cigarettes*
Prickly pwns all j00!
Maybe, but prickly's also got a new litter at home to think about! :lol:
they arent so new anymore but they are suuuure cute
And hungry.
You guys haven't heard?
fluffy is waiting for the results of a pregnacy test.
They did it again.
I'm just too irresistable. 8)