http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52453957/t/death-knell-food-stamp-program/?lite&lite=obinsite#.UebcxKx5GUQ
NUTRITION MAKES YOU LAZY.
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Well, that's gonna suck for me, and everyone else trying to raise kids while in college.
"Extraneous".
How revolting.
Let them eat proverbs about bootstraps.
Most interesting part is, the people that support this shit ("taxed enough already") are also on food stamps. Something to the order of 1/3rd of Americans are on some form of nutritional supplement assistance. 100 million, more or less.
Interesting take on the move as a political strategy: http://news.yahoo.com/why-separate-vote-food-stamps-bad-idea-house-194045852.html
QuoteThe White House has threatened a veto of the House bill. It will now proceed to conference committee, where it will be merged with a Senate farm bill that includes some $4 billion in food stamp cuts.
$4 Billion is a lot of food.
What the quote about civilisations and meals away from starvation? Anyone? Food riots? Rome? Anyone?
I'm sure anything like that would totally
not lead to increased funding for a militarised police force. No way.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 17, 2013, 07:57:26 PM
Most interesting part is, the people that support this shit ("taxed enough already") are also on food stamps. Something to the order of 1/3rd of Americans are on some form of nutritional supplement assistance. 100 million, more or less.
Wow, didn't realize it was that many.
But I foresee now buying my neighbors food more often.
As far as the whole agricultural bill issue:
http://grist.org/article/food-2010-09-21-op-ed-corn-subsidies-make-unhealthy-food-choices/
QuoteOne important thing for consumers to note is that in 2009, $15.4 billion in subsidies were lavished on the growers of corn, cotton, rice, wheat, and soybeans. In that same year, fruits, vegetables, and organics received only $825 million in support from the federal government. And that money doesn't go directly into fruit and vegetable growers' pockets, but mostly goes toward procurement for schools, research and market promotion programs.
Junk food is made cheaper, and it ought to be the other way around, we should make it cheaper to eat well as a government policy.
This is also going to suck for grocery stores. food stamps don't just help hungry poor people, they also help the people hungry poor people buy food from.
Yeah, well, Kroger can wait until I'm done feeling bad for hungry people.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 17, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
QuoteThe White House has threatened a veto of the House bill. It will now proceed to conference committee, where it will be merged with a Senate farm bill that includes some $4 billion in food stamp cuts.
$4 Billion is a lot of food.
What the quote about civilisations and meals away from starvation? Anyone? Food riots? Rome? Anyone?
I'm sure anything like that would totally not lead to increased funding for a militarised police force. No way.
Or prison quotas! Poppycock.
I mean, I'm sure these hungry broken people with no assistence from the society that feeds on them won't just go STEALING and committing other crimes to feed themselves. This will compel then to bootstrap their way to a sandwich.
I am really starting to hate America. I hate that we are right.
Quote from: Alty on July 17, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
I mean, I'm sure these hungry broken people with no assistence from the society that feeds on them won't just go STEALING and committing other crimes to feed themselves. This will compel then to bootstrap their way to a sandwich.
I am really starting to hate America. I hate that we are right.
What's funny is, these assholes only have about 9% support. It's like watching King Stephen and Empress Maud strip England bare in a family fight, to no fucking purpose other than to strip it bare.
Quote from: Alty on July 17, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
I mean, I'm sure these hungry broken people with no assistence from the society that feeds on them won't just go STEALING and committing other crimes to feed themselves. This will compel then to bootstrap their way to a sandwich.
I am really starting to hate America. I hate that we are right.
This would never, ever occur to anyone, ever!
I certainly don't know anyone who ever threw bricks through windows to get arrested for a roof over his head and a meal for the night.
I'm sure while in prison for heinous crimes against property, they can be given some....minor tasks to do, to help defray the cost to society for keeping them there.
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 01:28:32 AM
I'm sure while in prison for heinous crimes against property, they can be given some....minor tasks to do, to help defray the cost to society for keeping them there.
Call centers, maybe. Or stocking shelves at Toys R Us.
See? Already we're coming up with wonderful ideas. Some people might say "well, in this economic climate, such a plan is unsustainable because blah blah blah." Missing the point. More prisons = more prison guards. It's job creation for everyone.
I kind of hate myself for smiling at that.
The future becomes ever more real with every post!
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 01:38:16 AM
See? Already we're coming up with wonderful ideas. Some people might say "well, in this economic climate, such a plan is unsustainable because blah blah blah." Missing the point. More prisons = more prison guards. It's job creation for everyone.
I'd laugh, if this wasn't so true.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,19281.msg642221.html#msg642221
Quote from: Pergamos on July 17, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
This is also going to suck for grocery stores. food stamps don't just help hungry poor people, they also help the people hungry poor people buy food from.
$1.73. That's how much economic activity is generated by every $1.00 spent on food stamps.
I want to throat punch anyone who claims cutting food stamps is an economic decision. Why in these troubled times, how can we justify throwing good money after bad and only getting a 173% bang for the buck?
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on July 18, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 17, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
This is also going to suck for grocery stores. food stamps don't just help hungry poor people, they also help the people hungry poor people buy food from.
$1.73. That's how much economic activity is generated by every $1.00 spent on food stamps.
I want to throat punch anyone who claims cutting food stamps is an economic decision. Why in these troubled times, how can we justify throwing good money after bad and only getting a 173% bang for the buck?
Wow. Do you have a source for that? Because I want to club people with it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on July 18, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 17, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
This is also going to suck for grocery stores. food stamps don't just help hungry poor people, they also help the people hungry poor people buy food from.
$1.73. That's how much economic activity is generated by every $1.00 spent on food stamps.
I want to throat punch anyone who claims cutting food stamps is an economic decision. Why in these troubled times, how can we justify throwing good money after bad and only getting a 173% bang for the buck?
Wow. Do you have a source for that? Because I want to club people with it.
Did some checking
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/
QuoteAs Congress and the White House consider a $150 billion stimulus package that includes tax rebates and tax incentives for business, a report released Tuesday suggests that other methods would do a better job of infusing money into the flagging economy and doing it fast.
The industry research firm Moody's Economy.com tracked the potential impact of each stimulus dollar, looking at tax rebates, tax incentives for business, food stamps and expanding unemployment benefits.
The report found that "some provide a lot of bang for the buck to the economy. Others ... don't," said economist Mark Zandi.
In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the food-stamp program. For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy, he said.
"If someone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck gets an extra dollar, it's very likely that they will spend that dollar immediately on whatever they need - groceries, to pay the telephone bill, to pay the electric bill," he said.
Moody's are, of course, as befitting one of the major bond credit rating agencies, full of rampant socialists.
Quote from: Cain on July 19, 2013, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 11:52:39 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on July 18, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 17, 2013, 10:49:49 PM
This is also going to suck for grocery stores. food stamps don't just help hungry poor people, they also help the people hungry poor people buy food from.
$1.73. That's how much economic activity is generated by every $1.00 spent on food stamps.
I want to throat punch anyone who claims cutting food stamps is an economic decision. Why in these troubled times, how can we justify throwing good money after bad and only getting a 173% bang for the buck?
Wow. Do you have a source for that? Because I want to club people with it.
Did some checking
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/
QuoteAs Congress and the White House consider a $150 billion stimulus package that includes tax rebates and tax incentives for business, a report released Tuesday suggests that other methods would do a better job of infusing money into the flagging economy and doing it fast.
The industry research firm Moody's Economy.com tracked the potential impact of each stimulus dollar, looking at tax rebates, tax incentives for business, food stamps and expanding unemployment benefits.
The report found that "some provide a lot of bang for the buck to the economy. Others ... don't," said economist Mark Zandi.
In findings echoed by other economists and studies, he said the study shows the fastest way to infuse money into the economy is through expanding the food-stamp program. For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy, he said.
"If someone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck gets an extra dollar, it's very likely that they will spend that dollar immediately on whatever they need - groceries, to pay the telephone bill, to pay the electric bill," he said.
Moody's are, of course, as befitting one of the major bond credit rating agencies, full of rampant socialists.
It's like all that austerity in Europe, it actually damaged the economy instead of helping anything.
Keynes rises from his grave and says in a sepulchral voice "I TOLD YOU SO!"
Thanks, Cain. I'll be sharing that on FB pretty soon.
That's good info.
I don't have it in front of me, but there's also something about how spending food dollars on locally-grown food has over 200% effect on stimulating the local economy.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 19, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
That's good info.
I don't have it in front of me, but there's also something about how spending food dollars on locally-grown food has over 200% effect on stimulating the local economy.
I wish there was locally grown food...where I live they literally farm lawns. Grass farms. Hundreds of acres of lawns around where I live on what is otherwise perfectly good farmland, replete with irrigation canals.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 20, 2013, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 19, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
That's good info.
I don't have it in front of me, but there's also something about how spending food dollars on locally-grown food has over 200% effect on stimulating the local economy.
I wish there was locally grown food...where I live they literally farm lawns. Grass farms. Hundreds of acres of lawns around where I live on what is otherwise perfectly good farmland, replete with irrigation canals.
More proof that people are fucking crazy.
There are local food growers here. There's farmers' markets four days a week, and one is up near you guys.
There's the lawn thing too, of course, but there is also the farmrrs' markets.