:lulz: :horrormirth:
QuoteIn what appears to have been a gesture of goodwill gone haywire, McDonald's recently teamed up with Visa to create a financial planning site for its low-pay workforce. Unfortunately, whoever wrote the thing seems to have been literally incapable of imagining of how a fast food employee could survive on a minimum wage income. As ThinkProgress and other outlets have reported, the site includes a sample budget that, among other laughable assumptions, presumes that workers will have a second job.
As Jim Cook at Irregular Times notes, the $1,105 figure up top is roughly what the average McDonald's cashier earning $7.72 an hour would take home each month after payroll taxes, if they worked 40 hours a week. So this budget applies to someone just about working two full-time jobs at normal fast-food pay. (The federal minimum wage is just $7.25 an hour, by the way, but 19 states and DC set theirs higher).
A few of the other ridiculous conceits here: This hypothetical worker doesn't pay a heating bill. I guess some utilities are included in their $600 a month rent? (At the end of 2012, average rent in the U.S. was $1,048). Gas and groceries are bundled into $27 a day spending money. And this individual apparently has access to $20 a month healthcare. McDonald's, for its part, charges employees $12.58 a week for the company's most basic health plan. Well, that's if they've been with the company for a year. Otherwise, it's $14.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/07/mcdonalds-cant-figure-out-how-its-workers-survive-on-minimum-wage/277845/
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
"Why should we give you more money, don't you have a second job?"
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
I was just mentioning to Nigel today that America has become indistinguishable from England under King Stephen.
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Also, I can't remember the time I had a $27 grocery bill for a week's worth, let alone a days worth, of food.
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 02:16:23 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
I was just mentioning to Nigel today that America has become indistinguishable from England under King Stephen.
Don't worry - apart from better roads and worse teeth, England today is indistinguishable from England under King Stephen.
Fucking A, Cain. That hands-on experience line? I've heard that from jobs before. Heh.
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
My money's on "keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats".
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
I wonder if they'll overcome the cognitive dissonance and eventually realise how badly they're paying their workforce, or whether they'll keep on repressing it with more and more outlandish suggestions and caveats.
Corporations are not ethically-based group entities.
Corporate ethics: They're just like normal, run of the mill, ethics only much more non-existent
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Would it be worth mentioning the increasing number of contracts in the UK where leaving/getting sacked before a certain length on time has passed makes the employee liable to re-reimburse all of the above costs and more, including travel, hotels, food expenses, etc.
Getting sacked and then being handed a bill is becoming increasingly common. I'm not talking about high powered executive positions here either, I'm talking about skilled labour in general. I could speculate about why it's hitting the "blue-collar"(I hate that fucking term) workforce more, but I'd be getting into speculation and probably paranoid ravings.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 18, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Would it be worth mentioning the increasing number of contracts in the UK where leaving/getting sacked before a certain length on time has passed makes the employee liable to re-reimburse all of the above costs and more, including travel, hotels, food expenses, etc.
Getting sacked and then being handed a bill is becoming increasingly common. I'm not talking about high powered executive positions here either, I'm talking about skilled labour in general. I could speculate about why it's hitting the "blue-collar"(I hate that fucking term) workforce more, but I'd be getting into speculation and probably paranoid ravings.
Paranoia is a logical response these days, though.
It's the people who AREN'T paranoid that really worry me, they are still drinking the kool-aid.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 18, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Would it be worth mentioning the increasing number of contracts in the UK where leaving/getting sacked before a certain length on time has passed makes the employee liable to re-reimburse all of the above costs and more, including travel, hotels, food expenses, etc.
Getting sacked and then being handed a bill is becoming increasingly common. I'm not talking about high powered executive positions here either, I'm talking about skilled labour in general. I could speculate about why it's hitting the "blue-collar"(I hate that fucking term) workforce more, but I'd be getting into speculation and probably paranoid ravings.
They tried that here, but fortunately, the 13th amendment is pretty clear about the subject.
And what's wrong with the term "blue collar"?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 18, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Would it be worth mentioning the increasing number of contracts in the UK where leaving/getting sacked before a certain length on time has passed makes the employee liable to re-reimburse all of the above costs and more, including travel, hotels, food expenses, etc.
Getting sacked and then being handed a bill is becoming increasingly common. I'm not talking about high powered executive positions here either, I'm talking about skilled labour in general. I could speculate about why it's hitting the "blue-collar"(I hate that fucking term) workforce more, but I'd be getting into speculation and probably paranoid ravings.
They tried that here, but fortunately, the 13th amendment is pretty clear about the subject.
Fear not. I have every confidence they'll get around to fixing that just as soon as they get done with the first 12
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 18, 2013, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 04:39:10 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 18, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
Why should we pay you at all? If you have a second job, you're doing fine, in this economy. In fact, you should donate some of your pay to us, for training costs and uniforms. Not to mention the on hand, practical experience of working for a prime leader in the food services industry.
Would it be worth mentioning the increasing number of contracts in the UK where leaving/getting sacked before a certain length on time has passed makes the employee liable to re-reimburse all of the above costs and more, including travel, hotels, food expenses, etc.
Getting sacked and then being handed a bill is becoming increasingly common. I'm not talking about high powered executive positions here either, I'm talking about skilled labour in general. I could speculate about why it's hitting the "blue-collar"(I hate that fucking term) workforce more, but I'd be getting into speculation and probably paranoid ravings.
They tried that here, but fortunately, the 13th amendment is pretty clear about the subject.
Fear not. I have every confidence they'll get around to fixing that just as soon as they get done with the first 12
Naw. They'll leave 2 & 3 alone. They REALLY want a bite out of 14, though.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 04:39:48 PM
And what's wrong with the term "blue collar"?
One of my first bosses used said it with a sneer whenever he was talking about any of the guys in the shed out on the yard.HE was better than YEW because he wore a "sewt". Every fucking day he'd find a way to talk about how much his fucking "sewt" cost him and how they needed to smarten up. Deplorable bastard. Reducing people to what kind of clothes they wear to work is just shitty to me. It's entirely personal bias here.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 18, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 18, 2013, 04:39:48 PM
And what's wrong with the term "blue collar"?
One of my first bosses used said it with a sneer whenever he was talking about any of the guys in the shed out on the yard.HE was better than YEW because he wore a "sewt". Every fucking day he'd find a way to talk about how much his fucking "sewt" cost him and how they needed to smarten up. Deplorable bastard. Reducing people to what kind of clothes they wear to work is just shitty to me. It's entirely personal bias here.
I'm blue collar. Or at least I was, until I worked my way out of the trenches. I'm rather proud of my blue collar background. You EARN that, in the trades.
As for your asshole ex-boss, there's all manner of assholes in the world. Fuck him and his suit.
QuoteI'm blue collar. Or at least I was, until I worked my way out of the trenches. I'm rather proud of my blue collar background. You EARN that, in the trades.
I'd quite agree. My family were Farmers, Miners and Welders. I'd left a welding job to claw my way a little higher and this guy just didn't get it at all.
Almost universally, every job I've been at since the guys actually DOING shit are fine and everyone in the office is a horrendous tool. I expect this to be true worldwide.
There are exceptions but they're exceptions to a rule
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on July 18, 2013, 02:17:27 AM
Also, I can't remember the time I had a $27 grocery bill for a week's worth, let alone a days worth, of food.
That's easy, you eat once a day and buy the cheapest thing you can find, like a bowl of watermelon for $2 and a protein shake for $4.50.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on July 19, 2013, 01:28:28 AM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on July 18, 2013, 02:17:27 AM
Also, I can't remember the time I had a $27 grocery bill for a week's worth, let alone a days worth, of food.
That's easy, you eat once a day and buy the cheapest thing you can find, like a bowl of watermelon for $2 and a protein shake for $4.50.
Beans and rice, beans and rice,
I'm so sick of beans and rice,
I had 'em once, I had 'em twice,
And now I'm sick of beans and rice.
I caaant afford to go out to eat...
I caan't, afford a yummy treat...
I doooont, know why I bother to eeeeat!
A few weeks ago there was a rally in Detroit about fast food wages. I was driving, listening to the radio and some out of touch lady from Bloomfield Hills (wealthiest area in Detroit suburbs) called in. She was outraged because she didn't feel like the protesters 'got it' "Fast food is something that only high school kids do, or a part time job for mothers, it's not a career"
Let them eat cake.......
I hurt my hand punching the radio.
http://www.freep.com/article/20130702/BUSINESS06/307020108/mcdonald-s-KFC-fast-food-protest-D15
Well considering Detroit went Bankrupt, I doubt she'll get it any time soon.
On the plus side, we're one step closer to "Robocop"
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 19, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
Well considering Detroit went Bankrupt, I doubt she'll get it any time soon.
On the plus side, we're one step closer to "Robocop"
Yeah, this is a city that has difficulty burying their dead from time to time. Living wages are a long way off.
Bloomfield Hills. :lulz:
When I lived in Pontiac I had a hell of a scam going shaking down the assholes from places like Bloomfield Hills, Keego Harbor, Commerce, etc.
They're a special breed of head-up-ass in that part of Oakland County.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on July 19, 2013, 06:37:48 PM
Bloomfield Hills. :lulz:
When I lived in Pontiac I had a hell of a scam going shaking down the assholes from places like Bloomfield Hills, Keego Harbor, Commerce, etc.
They're a special breed of head-up-ass in that part of Oakland County.
:lulz: Yes. Yes they are.
Quote from: McGrupp on July 19, 2013, 02:51:40 PM
A few weeks ago there was a rally in Detroit about fast food wages. I was driving, listening to the radio and some out of touch lady from Bloomfield Hills (wealthiest area in Detroit suburbs) called in. She was outraged because she didn't feel like the protesters 'got it' "Fast food is something that only high school kids do, or a part time job for mothers, it's not a career"
Let them eat cake.......
I hurt my hand punching the radio.
http://www.freep.com/article/20130702/BUSINESS06/307020108/mcdonald-s-KFC-fast-food-protest-D15
Where the hell else are they supposed to work?
It's not like there's an abundance of jobs there.
...I'm kind of afraid to move out of Houston for just that reason: Job. Job may be low-wage, but I haz job, and medical access, and if I go anywhere else, that isn't guaranteed.