http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/07/24/hackers-reveal-nasty-new-car-attacks-with-me-behind-the-wheel-video/
QuoteStomping on the brakes of a 3,500-pound Ford Escape that refuses to stop–or even slow down–produces a unique feeling of anxiety. In this case it also produces a deep groaning sound, like an angry water buffalo bellowing somewhere under the SUV's chassis. The more I pound the pedal, the louder the groan gets–along with the delighted cackling of the two hackers sitting behind me in the backseat.
Luckily, all of this is happening at less than 5mph. So the Escape merely plows into a stand of 6-foot-high weeds growing in the abandoned parking lot of a South Bend, Ind. strip mall that Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek have chosen as the testing grounds for the day's experiments, a few of which are shown in the video below. (When Miller discovered the brake-disabling trick, he wasn't so lucky: The soccer-mom mobile barreled through his garage, crushing his lawn mower and inflicting $150 worth of damage to the rear wall.)
"Okay, now your brakes work again," Miller says, tapping on a beat-up MacBook connected by a cable to an inconspicuous data port near the parking brake. I reverse out of the weeds and warily bring the car to a stop. "When you lose faith that a car will do what you tell it to do," he adds after we jump out of the SUV, "it really changes your whole view of how the thing works."
This fact, that a car is not a simple machine of glass and steel but a hackable network of computers, is what Miller and Valasek have spent the last year trying to demonstrate. Miller, a 40-year-old security engineer at Twitter, and Valasek, the 31-year-old director of security intelligence at the Seattle consultancy IOActive, received an $80,000-plus grant last fall from the mad-scientist research arm of the Pentagon known as the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency to root out security vulnerabilities in automobiles.
:eek:
You think those USBs are to charge your iPhone? Think again.
Whose idea was it to network ANYTHING the user can access to the FUCKING BRAKES, either directly or indirectly?
For the record, this is the exact thing I think of when I read "cars will be able to communicate with each other as they pass one another on the street".
Really? That sounds like an attack vector for the best botnet ever!
Quote from: Pæs on July 25, 2013, 04:14:07 AM
For the record, this is the exact thing I think of when I read "cars will be able to communicate with each other as they pass one another on the street".
Really? That sounds like an attack vector for the best botnet ever!
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2013, 04:18:12 AM
Quote from: Pæs on July 25, 2013, 04:14:07 AM
For the record, this is the exact thing I think of when I read "cars will be able to communicate with each other as they pass one another on the street".
Really? That sounds like an attack vector for the best botnet ever!
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
I have a helmet. I'm fine.
Quote from: Pæs on August 22, 2012, 05:31:41 AM
You're on the right track. On your way to the restaurant. You're going to love the restaur... No. Don't look outside. Look at the GPS. That's your car, there. On the way to dinner. That's you. That's the real you. On your way to the restaurant. You're on the right track.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/29079082_72aa41d67d.jpg)
Drive by wire meets drive-by-wtf...
:eek:
This is paranoia and whiskey talking, can you see the government offing people by hacking their cars?
My paranoid side wonders about those small plane crashes that Wellstone and Leland were in...
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 25, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
This is paranoia and whiskey talking, can you see the government offing people by hacking their cars?
I can't see the government being morally opposed to it but when you're the government you tend to just kill people and then crash their car later.
What I can see, depending on the accessibility of the ports and how the various systems are networked is sophisticated car viruses taking people hostage or otherwise blackmailing them for profit.
Your handsfree kit makes a three way call between yourself, the attacker and a loved one and asks you to confirm whether or not the brakes are working and what speed you are travelling at and then demands an immediate ransom from the loved one, etc. Your imagination is the limit.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 25, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
This is paranoia and whiskey talking, can you see the government offing people by hacking their cars?
No.
*checks the sky for FLYING DEATH ROBOTS*
No.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2013, 04:49:36 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 25, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
This is paranoia and whiskey talking, can you see the government offing people by hacking their cars?
No.
*checks the sky for FLYING DEATH ROBOTS*
No.
Yeah, I figured I was just being a drunk asshole. NEED MOAR!
I would love to see a revenue gathering virus which makes speedometers constantly display your speed as just enough less than it is to trip speed cameras everywhere but perform perfectly when you try to correct this with recalibration.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2013, 04:49:36 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 25, 2013, 04:42:22 AM
This is paranoia and whiskey talking, can you see the government offing people by hacking their cars?
No.
*checks the sky for FLYING DEATH ROBOTS*
No.
:horrormirth:
Betcha there's been a handshake agreement between automakers and the NSA for years. You want to market your shitty-fuel-economy cars in the US? No problem...
i know they use that port for diagnostics (check engine light),
but fuck-damn why make an electronic control if 99% of the end users don't have an interface device?
I've been expecting to hear something like this from the first day I learned that cars had brains.
Quote from: Pæs on July 25, 2013, 04:12:44 AM
Whose idea was it to network ANYTHING the user can access to the FUCKING BRAKES, either directly or indirectly?
What I heard, all those things (inside the car) have to be connected. It's stupid and it should be designed better, but for instance the car radio must have access to the central diagnostics system (or whatever it's called) because it needs to be able to interrupt the music if something's wrong with the car, just like it does with traffic jam information and such.
I'm not explaining this right. There was a good reason for it for everything to be connected, it was a stupid reason, but a really good stupid reason, in the same sense that an ingrown toenail is really good at growing, but also doing it wrong.
Anyway, yes. Cory Doctorow said it, you're gonna put a computer in your body, and then put your body in a computer, but the users can't really control them (for their own safety, of course, just like they say about iOS), yet the bad guys (criminal gov or criminal organisations alike) will always find a way! Vrrrrrrrroooommmmm