QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
QuoteAaron Huey's effort to photograph poverty in America led him to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, where the struggle of the native Lakota people -- appalling, and largely ignored -- compelled him to refocus. Five years of work later, his haunting photos intertwine with a shocking history lesson in this bold, courageous talk. (Filmed at TEDxDU.)
http://www.ted.com/talks/aaron_huey.html
QuoteA few years ago, Aaron Huey journeyed to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota to photograph members of the Oglala Lakota Nation. The disarming stories of deceit, heartbreak, and violence he heard there changed his life forever. I know this is a long one, folks, but I guarantee you'll be hooked by his transformation at 4:38, the breathtaking mural at 6:03, and the devastating words of a 17-year-old at 10:36.
http://www.upworthy.com/a-journalist-went-near-mount-rushmore-to-take-some-photos-what-he-found-changed-his-life-forever
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 28, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
Those where some powerful videos. Damn.
That's a choice quote too. It made me think about recent comments about "high rates of black on black violence" in the wake of the Zimmerman trial.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 28, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
QuoteAaron Huey's effort to photograph poverty in America led him to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, where the struggle of the native Lakota people -- appalling, and largely ignored -- compelled him to refocus. Five years of work later, his haunting photos intertwine with a shocking history lesson in this bold, courageous talk. (Filmed at TEDxDU.)
http://www.ted.com/talks/aaron_huey.html
QuoteA few years ago, Aaron Huey journeyed to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota to photograph members of the Oglala Lakota Nation. The disarming stories of deceit, heartbreak, and violence he heard there changed his life forever. I know this is a long one, folks, but I guarantee you'll be hooked by his transformation at 4:38, the breathtaking mural at 6:03, and the devastating words of a 17-year-old at 10:36.
http://www.upworthy.com/a-journalist-went-near-mount-rushmore-to-take-some-photos-what-he-found-changed-his-life-forever
Jesus. The picture with the blue wall full of holes and the one house with the girl in the sink and clutter and shit all over the place and the one with the kid standing in the middle of trash in the grass . . . . those pictures look like the place I grew up, only we had fake wood and mildew-covered plaster instead of blue paint. I hate that people go through that shit, that poverty brings people so low and kills the spirit before it kills the body.
I ran like hell but they don't have anywhere to go.
Quote from: Net on July 29, 2013, 02:19:13 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 28, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
Those where some powerful videos. Damn.
That's a choice quote too. It made me think about recent comments about "high rates of black on black violence" in the wake of the Zimmerman trial.
Yes. Hell yes. I felt like he has done a better job of explaining it than anyone I've ever seen.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 29, 2013, 04:36:05 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 28, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
QuoteAaron Huey's effort to photograph poverty in America led him to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, where the struggle of the native Lakota people -- appalling, and largely ignored -- compelled him to refocus. Five years of work later, his haunting photos intertwine with a shocking history lesson in this bold, courageous talk. (Filmed at TEDxDU.)
http://www.ted.com/talks/aaron_huey.html
QuoteA few years ago, Aaron Huey journeyed to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota to photograph members of the Oglala Lakota Nation. The disarming stories of deceit, heartbreak, and violence he heard there changed his life forever. I know this is a long one, folks, but I guarantee you'll be hooked by his transformation at 4:38, the breathtaking mural at 6:03, and the devastating words of a 17-year-old at 10:36.
http://www.upworthy.com/a-journalist-went-near-mount-rushmore-to-take-some-photos-what-he-found-changed-his-life-forever
Jesus. The picture with the blue wall full of holes and the one house with the girl in the sink and clutter and shit all over the place and the one with the kid standing in the middle of trash in the grass . . . . those pictures look like the place I grew up, only we had fake wood and mildew-covered plaster instead of blue paint. I hate that people go through that shit, that poverty brings people so low and kills the spirit before it kills the body.
I ran like hell but they don't have anywhere to go.
Yep.
There are a lot who did run, who ran to cities where they couldn't get hired, where they were so estranged and alienated and alone that they ended up sick and dying in the streets or of suicide or of alcoholism or on the streets of suicide by alcohol. The human spirit requires companionship and community, and to leave is an awful risk in part because those who leave are often considered abandoners, active participants in their own people's genocide. They leave, they walk away from family, and even if they make it in the white world they will never fit in at home and never fit in outside, so they're alone forever. The very definition of anomie. None of our species is solitary by nature, we are all social, and the importance of belonging is deeply ingrained into the native psyche, it's far more part of NA cultures than it is of the American culture. Even the words that we use to shame each other reflect the necessity to belong.
For the descendants of those who did leave and survive, there is just a strange sad limbo in which we can never really be real indians, not real members of our tribes, and yet we can never forget or set that part aside, either. In a sense then, we belong more to the tribe called "urban" than to each of our tribes of origin, because we have more in common with each other than we have with our relatives in the places where our ancestors are buried.
Most of you probably know that I'm more than twice as much native, by ancestry, than I am black. It's usually easier, for me at least, to just publicly identify as black, because it's obvious enough that I'm not white and at least that way avoids the most painful questions.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 05:16:06 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on July 29, 2013, 04:36:05 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 28, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
QuoteThe last chapter in any successful genocide is the one in which the oppressor can remove their hands and say "My god, what are these people doing to themselves? They are killing each other, they are killing themselves, while we watch them die." --Aaron Huey
This is why the oppressed need allies. He may not be Lakota but he has a voice, and he is using his voice and his power to help make the voices of the disempowered heard.
QuoteAaron Huey's effort to photograph poverty in America led him to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, where the struggle of the native Lakota people -- appalling, and largely ignored -- compelled him to refocus. Five years of work later, his haunting photos intertwine with a shocking history lesson in this bold, courageous talk. (Filmed at TEDxDU.)
http://www.ted.com/talks/aaron_huey.html
QuoteA few years ago, Aaron Huey journeyed to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota to photograph members of the Oglala Lakota Nation. The disarming stories of deceit, heartbreak, and violence he heard there changed his life forever. I know this is a long one, folks, but I guarantee you'll be hooked by his transformation at 4:38, the breathtaking mural at 6:03, and the devastating words of a 17-year-old at 10:36.
http://www.upworthy.com/a-journalist-went-near-mount-rushmore-to-take-some-photos-what-he-found-changed-his-life-forever
Jesus. The picture with the blue wall full of holes and the one house with the girl in the sink and clutter and shit all over the place and the one with the kid standing in the middle of trash in the grass . . . . those pictures look like the place I grew up, only we had fake wood and mildew-covered plaster instead of blue paint. I hate that people go through that shit, that poverty brings people so low and kills the spirit before it kills the body.
I ran like hell but they don't have anywhere to go.
Yep.
There are a lot who did run, who ran to cities where they couldn't get hired, where they were so estranged and alienated and alone that they ended up sick and dying in the streets or of suicide or of alcoholism or on the streets of suicide by alcohol. The human spirit requires companionship and community, and to leave is an awful risk in part because those who leave are often considered abandoners, active participants in their own people's genocide. They leave, they walk away from family, and even if they make it in the white world they will never fit in at home and never fit in outside, so they're alone forever. The very definition of anomie. None of our species is solitary by nature, we are all social, and the importance of belonging is deeply ingrained into the native psyche, it's far more part of NA cultures than it is of the American culture. Even the words that we use to shame each other reflect the necessity to belong.
For the descendants of those who did leave and survive, there is just a strange sad limbo in which we can never really be real indians, not real members of our tribes, and yet we can never forget or set that part aside, either. In a sense then, we belong more to the tribe called "urban" than to each of our tribes of origin, because we have more in common with each other than we have with our relatives in the places where our ancestors are buried.
Most of you probably know that I'm more than twice as much native, by ancestry, than I am black. It's usually easier, for me at least, to just publicly identify as black, because it's obvious enough that I'm not white and at least that way avoids the most painful questions.
:(
I'm not saying that I don't legitimately identify as black, because I do. It's just that I am more likely to downplay how much I also identify as native when I'm dealing with people I don't know well.
Yeah, I can understand that.
There is no good answer for these people if the government, society at large, aren't going to pony up some form of restitution. It's fucking sad that people can bitch about how 'evolved' we are and how much 'progress' was made and this shit is still here, waiting. There isn't any progress until we don't have people living like this.
My brain is full of fucks. Sorry if I'm incoherent-ish. But everyone needs someone or someones to call home and that's just one more thing being stolen and desecrated here.
Yeah. I hope that in the future more people will feel like that, instead of being all "It's in the past, man, let it go".
Well if those people HAD boots I'm sure they could just pull themselves up by the boot straps and all this would be moot.
The part about "the one who takes the best meat" kind of struck a chord with me. It's different for me - I'm not confined to a concentration camp but the best meat over in my homeland belongs to rich english fucks. I go to remote places, beautiful, untouched wilderness places and sometimes there's a house there and, if there is, it belongs to some rich english fuck who bought up the whole island and drove the locals out. They don't even live there, those blueblood wankers, they holiday there occasionally. It's different, because it's not a race divide here, it's a class divide. Did I mention these places are remote? I'd imagine the emergency service response times would be measured in hours, rather than minutes... :evil:
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
There are a lot of reasons, and among them is that "rugged individualism" only works in favor of the people who already have the most power. The rest of us need each other's help.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
There are a lot of reasons, and among them is that "rugged individualism" only works in favor of the people who already have the most power. The rest of us need each other's help.
Yep. Which is precisely why the money wants to break unions. It is okay for management to be organized (which it is by definition), therefore it must follow that it is okay for labor to be organized.
But try saying that out loud. The majority of people (which, by definition, mostly includes those who would benefit from unions) will immediately start with the buts and the howevers. They will spew the Fox News line that unions are corrupt, that unions ruined American business (which is why America had no economy from 1940-1979, of course), etc.
When you think of it, what are unions? Allies. You shit on one member or one shop, and EVERYONE walks off the fucking job. Pretty soon the bosses start using the bathroom when they have to shit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
There are a lot of reasons, and among them is that "rugged individualism" only works in favor of the people who already have the most power. The rest of us need each other's help.
Yep. Which is precisely why the money wants to break unions. It is okay for management to be organized (which it is by definition), therefore it must follow that it is okay for labor to be organized.
But try saying that out loud. The majority of people (which, by definition, mostly includes those who would benefit from unions) will immediately start with the buts and the howevers. They will spew the Fox News line that unions are corrupt, that unions ruined American business (which is why America had no economy from 1940-1979, of course), etc.
When you think of it, what are unions? Allies. You shit on one member or one shop, and EVERYONE walks off the fucking job. Pretty soon the bosses start using the bathroom when they have to shit.
That rotting dead cunt Thatcher single handedly destroyed the trade union movement in this country. The miners lost a war, beaten down by a legion of gestapo stormtroopers whose job it was (allegedly) to protect us from criminals. "Police" they called them. We call them "filth" Dangerous scum who cannot and should not ever be trusted. Our workers were fucked from that day onward. The revolution ended. The bad guys won. There's days I could walk into parliament with a machine gun and waste everything that moves. The only thing on my conscience would be the fact that I ran out of bullets :argh!:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 29, 2013, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
There are a lot of reasons, and among them is that "rugged individualism" only works in favor of the people who already have the most power. The rest of us need each other's help.
Yep. Which is precisely why the money wants to break unions. It is okay for management to be organized (which it is by definition), therefore it must follow that it is okay for labor to be organized.
But try saying that out loud. The majority of people (which, by definition, mostly includes those who would benefit from unions) will immediately start with the buts and the howevers. They will spew the Fox News line that unions are corrupt, that unions ruined American business (which is why America had no economy from 1940-1979, of course), etc.
When you think of it, what are unions? Allies. You shit on one member or one shop, and EVERYONE walks off the fucking job. Pretty soon the bosses start using the bathroom when they have to shit.
That rotting dead cunt Thatcher single handedly destroyed the trade union movement in this country. The miners lost a war, beaten down by a legion of gestapo stormtroopers whose job it was (allegedly) to protect us from criminals. "Police" they called them. We call them "filth" Dangerous scum who cannot and should not ever be trusted. Our workers were fucked from that day onward. The revolution ended. The bad guys won. There's days I could walk into parliament with a machine gun and waste everything that moves. The only thing on my conscience would be the fact that I ran out of bullets :argh!:
Can I interest you in Radical Islam?
Please ignore the wire.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 10:36:41 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 29, 2013, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
People also need allies because then you don't feel alone.
And because a coalition that involves people not directly affected by whatever it is adds credibility to the idea that it's a "human rights" thing, not a "special interest" thing.
There are a lot of reasons, and among them is that "rugged individualism" only works in favor of the people who already have the most power. The rest of us need each other's help.
Yep. Which is precisely why the money wants to break unions. It is okay for management to be organized (which it is by definition), therefore it must follow that it is okay for labor to be organized.
But try saying that out loud. The majority of people (which, by definition, mostly includes those who would benefit from unions) will immediately start with the buts and the howevers. They will spew the Fox News line that unions are corrupt, that unions ruined American business (which is why America had no economy from 1940-1979, of course), etc.
When you think of it, what are unions? Allies. You shit on one member or one shop, and EVERYONE walks off the fucking job. Pretty soon the bosses start using the bathroom when they have to shit.
That rotting dead cunt Thatcher single handedly destroyed the trade union movement in this country. The miners lost a war, beaten down by a legion of gestapo stormtroopers whose job it was (allegedly) to protect us from criminals. "Police" they called them. We call them "filth" Dangerous scum who cannot and should not ever be trusted. Our workers were fucked from that day onward. The revolution ended. The bad guys won. There's days I could walk into parliament with a machine gun and waste everything that moves. The only thing on my conscience would be the fact that I ran out of bullets :argh!:
Can I interest you in Radical Islam?
Please ignore the wire.
Heh, way to smart for that shit. I get angry sometimes but I'm never dumb enough to actully get involved in the affairs of talking monkeys. No point. You just end up covered in banana-flavoured shit.
The interesting thing about the "we don't want allies" mindset is that it seems to suppose that the oppressed will get unoppressed all by themselves, without enlisting the sympathy or support of members of the oppressor class.
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work, exactly.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 10:59:47 PM
The interesting thing about the "we don't want allies" mindset is that it seems to suppose that the oppressed will get unoppressed all by themselves, without enlisting the sympathy or support of members of the oppressor class.
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work, exactly.
By being
really mad at the oppressors and repeatedly declaring what a bunch of poopyheads they are.
I mean, obviously.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 29, 2013, 10:59:47 PM
The interesting thing about the "we don't want allies" mindset is that it seems to suppose that the oppressed will get unoppressed all by themselves, without enlisting the sympathy or support of members of the oppressor class.
I'm not sure how that's supposed to work, exactly.
It's not about winning free from oppression. It's about being the most dedicated orangutan on your block.
Yup. Who's the biggest enemy? The people almost exactly like you, except for minor doctrinal differences and a power base to support them. If they get their way, you might not get to lead the Glorious Revolution. And how will people know how awesome you are if that happened?
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/31/357708/flashback-americas-last-general-strike-oakland-1946/
@ Pent: Sympathy and general strikes are illegal in the United States.
Which is utter bullshit.
It's the biggest tool in the union toolbox, IMO, the sympathy strike.
...I was a Wobbly for a little while until I realized the current state of the IWW in the US is beyond wretched.
But I'm on board with the concept of one big union, or at least strategic alliances between unions.