http://news.yahoo.com/video/workers-strike-fast-food-restaurants-100409347.html
Now this is interesting. I like that Papa John's is one of the ones being targeted. Wonder how much he's going to try and jack up his pizza now in order to pay those ingrates that work for him.
Nice. I hope this pans out for the better.
As do I.
Maybe it will start spreading. I mean, fast food workers thinking about unionizing? What's next?
deep fried union rings?
This will help a lot of poor folk if it works.
My mom raised my sister and i working for Burger King for 13 years. She worked salary, 60-80 hours per week, never once took a vacation. Then she moved to Georgia on an impulse, came back six months later, and the dick who owned the franchise before filing for chapter 11, told her she was SOL in regard to a similar position again.
We could have certainly used a livable wage, and i still dont know quite how she did it.
This could get interesting. Bosses will be quite aware of how close to the poverty line many of these workers will be. I suspect that any gains here will result in larger losses. I doubt this will get much traction quickly, but a state/nationwide strike would certainly have an impact, even just for half a day.
Of course, everyone could just get sacked. Chains like these do treat workers as quite expendable and I doubt the PR hit would be too big to bear. Unions are already evil in the USA so protecting the job creators freedoms would probably be the agenda.
On the other hand, we would probably all be a little better off if these places shut down forever.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
This could get interesting. Bosses will be quite aware of how close to the poverty line many of these workers will be. I suspect that any gains here will result in larger losses. I doubt this will get much traction quickly, but a state/nationwide strike would certainly have an impact, even just for half a day.
Of course, everyone could just get sacked. Chains like these do treat workers as quite expendable and I doubt the PR hit would be too big to bear. Unions are already evil in the USA so protecting the job creators freedoms would probably be the agenda.
Unions are only evil in some parts of the USA. You know, the parts with the loudmouths who like to shoot themselves in the foot because someone offered them a package deal to screw over the homosexuals and other assorted Satanists.
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
On the other hand, we would probably all be a little better off if these places shut down forever.
While long-run better, that would involve a holy shitton of short-medium term fuckups. Just think about the unemployment rate if Mcdonalds went bang tomorrow. Several multinationals are larger than small countries.
Which could lead to a curious situation of "fast food bailouts" if it turns out they've been doing some creative accountancy and investments. Fuck, now I've written that, it almost seems inevitable. "Mc(insert nation here) burger". Bad example, but I'm trying to say that the list of shit that is "too big to fail" must have to include shit like this.
And as seen with the UK banks, you can need a bailout and still manage to skim the top, bottom and sides at the same time. I doubt Fast Food CEO's would be averse to doing the same.
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on July 29, 2013, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
This could get interesting. Bosses will be quite aware of how close to the poverty line many of these workers will be. I suspect that any gains here will result in larger losses. I doubt this will get much traction quickly, but a state/nationwide strike would certainly have an impact, even just for half a day.
Of course, everyone could just get sacked. Chains like these do treat workers as quite expendable and I doubt the PR hit would be too big to bear. Unions are already evil in the USA so protecting the job creators freedoms would probably be the agenda.
Unions are only evil in some parts of the USA. You know, the parts with the loudmouths who like to shoot themselves in the foot because someone offered them a package deal to screw over the homosexuals and other assorted Satanists.
Generalising, gladly corrected. My overall impressions were that even where unions are accepted, they're not treated with great respect by anyone not in/affiliated with said union. I seem to recall electical workers getting a lot of shit around the NYC storms which basically got reduced to "Bad anyway, worse because unions" Presumably the Union was trying to stop them working dangerous lengths of time/hazardous conditions. Seems correct as my right to electricity is more important than some guy's life, right?
Hah. If the fast food companies needed a bailout you'd see Obama taking a giant bit out of a Whopper during a State of the Union address.
But yes, families that depend on those places for survival, like mine was, would suffer the most.
Still, it seems like putting a patch of gauze on a gangrenous limb.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
On the other hand, we would probably all be a little better off if these places shut down forever.
While long-run better, that would involve a holy shitton of short-medium term fuckups. Just think about the unemployment rate if Mcdonalds went bang tomorrow. Several multinationals are larger than small countries.
Which could lead to a curious situation of "fast food bailouts" if it turns out they've been doing some creative accountancy and investments. Fuck, now I've written that, it almost seems inevitable. "Mc(insert nation here) burger". Bad example, but I'm trying to say that the list of shit that is "too big to fail" must have to include shit like this.
And as seen with the UK banks, you can need a bailout and still manage to skim the top, bottom and sides at the same time. I doubt Fast Food CEO's would be averse to doing the same. Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on July 29, 2013, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:17:09 PM
This could get interesting. Bosses will be quite aware of how close to the poverty line many of these workers will be. I suspect that any gains here will result in larger losses. I doubt this will get much traction quickly, but a state/nationwide strike would certainly have an impact, even just for half a day.
Of course, everyone could just get sacked. Chains like these do treat workers as quite expendable and I doubt the PR hit would be too big to bear. Unions are already evil in the USA so protecting the job creators freedoms would probably be the agenda.
Unions are only evil in some parts of the USA. You know, the parts with the loudmouths who like to shoot themselves in the foot because someone offered them a package deal to screw over the homosexuals and other assorted Satanists.
Generalising, gladly corrected. My overall impressions were that even where unions are accepted, they're not treated with great respect by anyone not in/affiliated with said union. I seem to recall electical workers getting a lot of shit around the NYC storms which basically got reduced to "Bad anyway, worse because unions" Presumably the Union was trying to stop them working dangerous lengths of time/hazardous conditions. Seems correct as my right to electricity is more important than some guy's life, right?
I seem to remember something like that too now that you mention it but I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. I'll have to look it up.
But the dynamics of what's conservative here is different than in other parts. I have plenty of conservative friends, because they're still social progressives. Not sure what their take on unions would be but everyone knows someone from a construction worker family, or some other unionized labor.
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
Hah. If the fast food companies needed a bailout you'd see Obama taking a giant bit out of a Whopper during a State of the Union address.
But yes, families that depend on those places for survival, like mine was, would suffer the most.
Still, it seems like putting a patch of gauze on a gangrenous limb.
I can see that, yeah.
But I don't know, if fast food workers are striking, that says something to me. And perhaps it will say something to corporate top dogs and their investors.
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
Hah. If the fast food companies needed a bailout you'd see Obama taking a giant bit out of a Whopper during a State of the Union address.
But yes, families that depend on those places for survival, like mine was, would suffer the most.
Still, it seems like putting a patch of gauze on a gangrenous limb.
Cover the gaping wound and it's a problem for tomorrow. That's the modern way.
And you say Obama with a whopper, wasn't this quite a popular picture?
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7noKMkw3Fbc/UNG3ZhoZqEI/AAAAAAAE9Ac/HO_1kstSvr0/w506-h593-o/photo.jpg)
World leaders are a very short step from being straight up advertising shills. I'm starting to suspect the reason they're not yet is that these kind of firms haven't needed bailouts yet. I bet it wouldn't take that much more lobbying cash.
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
On the other hand, we would probably all be a little better off if these places shut down forever.
While long-run better, that would involve a holy shitton of short-medium term fuckups. Just think about the unemployment rate if Mcdonalds went bang tomorrow. Several multinationals are larger than small countries.
And in the case of McD's not just in just US either.
Although somehow I see McDonalds as really too big to fail.
Wait no that's not right. Other chains (either national or global) will just take their places. Location location location. And if there's no big chain to take it, unlike big banks, running a fastfood joint isn't exactly hard (ok I couldn't do it but that doesn't say much),
especially if the big chains just went belly-up.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 29, 2013, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on July 29, 2013, 07:29:22 PM
Quote from: Alty on July 29, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
On the other hand, we would probably all be a little better off if these places shut down forever.
While long-run better, that would involve a holy shitton of short-medium term fuckups. Just think about the unemployment rate if Mcdonalds went bang tomorrow. Several multinationals are larger than small countries.
And in the case of McD's not just in just US either.
Although somehow I see McDonalds as really too big to fail.
Wait no that's not right. Other chains (either national or global) will just take their places. Location location location. And if there's no big chain to take it, unlike big banks, running a fastfood joint isn't exactly hard (ok I couldn't do it but that doesn't say much), especially if the big chains just went belly-up.
Yeah, McDonald's is just everywhere. I could see it going into a gradual decline, but not just suddenly going into some sort of collapse.
Does seem worth noting that similar sentiments were expressed about the various things needing bailouts so far.
Just saying.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 29, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
deep fried union rings?
Nobody??
Come on, this was a good one.
Fine I'll do it
:rimshot:
Ok, yeah, it was a good one.
Quote from: Cainad on July 29, 2013, 06:19:54 PM
Nice. I hope this pans out for the better.
Cainad's was better for my money :lulz:
fuckin spags.
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on July 30, 2013, 06:48:49 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 29, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
deep fried union rings?
Nobody??
Come on, this was a good one.
Fine I'll do it
:rimshot:
Certainly a more quality pun than the horrid ones I come up with when working at 2 am...
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on July 30, 2013, 06:48:49 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 29, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
deep fried union rings?
Nobody??
Come on, this was a good one.
Fine I'll do it
:rimshot:
000's pun abilities exceed that of native speakers.
Also, fast food will never go under. I can see some franchise owners being forced to downsize or sell, or maybe close some stores, but those corporations have way too much money and way too much business to care. Strikes are nice, but like previously mentioned, those workers are expendable and easily replaced.
Quote from: Suu on July 31, 2013, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on July 30, 2013, 06:48:49 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 29, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
deep fried union rings?
Nobody??
Come on, this was a good one.
Fine I'll do it
:rimshot:
000's pun abilities exceed that of native speakers.
Also, fast food will never go under. I can see some franchise owners being forced to downsize or sell, or maybe close some stores, but those corporations have way too much money and way too much business to care. Strikes are nice, but like previously mentioned, those workers are expendable and easily replaced.
Yeah, I'm afraid the only way to really help low-end workers is better jobs all around, so that it's harder to get people to work in McSweatshops.
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
You know, I usually only get fast food if I need quick cheap eats, and I can't afford an extra 17 cents for the cheapest thing on the menu, then I may as well go home and get something out of the fridge. Totally cool with that price hike. Also, if it's $6.66 I'm more likely to get a big mac.
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
You know, I usually only get fast food if I need quick cheap eats, and I can't afford an extra 17 cents for the cheapest thing on the menu, then I may as well go home and get something out of the fridge. Totally cool with that price hike. Also, if it's $6.66 I'm more likely to get a big mac.
:lulz:
The Mac of the Beast.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
You know, I usually only get fast food if I need quick cheap eats, and I can't afford an extra 17 cents for the cheapest thing on the menu, then I may as well go home and get something out of the fridge. Totally cool with that price hike. Also, if it's $6.66 I'm more likely to get a big mac.
:lulz:
The Mac of the Beast.
Ok, that is the best pun of all time. None can top that. Not possible.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
You know, I usually only get fast food if I need quick cheap eats, and I can't afford an extra 17 cents for the cheapest thing on the menu, then I may as well go home and get something out of the fridge. Totally cool with that price hike. Also, if it's $6.66 I'm more likely to get a big mac.
:lulz:
The Mac of the Beast.
:potd:
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:40:16 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
You know, I usually only get fast food if I need quick cheap eats, and I can't afford an extra 17 cents for the cheapest thing on the menu, then I may as well go home and get something out of the fridge. Totally cool with that price hike. Also, if it's $6.66 I'm more likely to get a big mac.
:lulz:
The Mac of the Beast.
Ok, that is the best pun of all time. None can top that. Not possible.
:thanks:
At least in English. I can't speak for other languages.
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
At least in English. I can't speak for other languages.
True. I can't pun in Spanish.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:45:09 AM
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
At least in English. I can't speak for other languages.
True. I can't pun in Spanish.
I can note interesting similarities in others but don't have a strong enough command to make use of it.
For example in Irish the word for a Catholic Mass is aifreann. The word for Hell is ifreann. Francach means both rat and Frenchman.
Lochlannach means both Norwegian and pirate, but that's not exactly a coincidence.
Quote from: Suu on July 31, 2013, 06:30:31 PM
000's pun abilities exceed that of native speakers.
NO TIE FIGHTING!! ;-)
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
At least in English. I can't speak for other languages.
There's Russian penis jokes. I wish I spoke Russian, because I'd never stop.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 01, 2013, 03:03:44 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 31, 2013, 06:30:31 PM
000's pun abilities exceed that of native speakers.
NO TIE FIGHTING!! ;-)
Quote from: FRIDAY TIME on August 01, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
At least in English. I can't speak for other languages.
There's Russian penis jokes. I wish I spoke Russian, because I'd never stop.
Gods, you can even handle the sci-fi angle.
Stop this below sea-level beast before he gives you a tea bag porcelain thingie, which I use to this day.
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on August 01, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
QuoteArnobio Morelix, a student at the University of Kansas School of Business, found himself asking the same question, so he did some financial modeling based on McDonald's annual reports and data sets submitted to investors.
Morelix's take: If McDonald's workers were paid the $15 they're demanding, the cost of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents, from its current price of $3.99 to $4.67.
A Big Mac meal would cost $6.66 rather than $5.69, and the chain's famous Dollar Menu would go for $1.17.
"Some folks online are complaining they will not pay $2 for their Dollar Menu, but the truth is that even if McDonald's doubled salaries the price hike would not be 100%," Morelix said. "I will be happy to pay 17 cents more for my Dollar Menu so that fast food workers can have a living wage, and I believe people deserve to know that price hikes would not be as high as it is often portrayed."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/07/30/how-much-would-a-big-mac-cost-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-per-hour/
That's more than reasonable, IMO.
Maybe it's just from growing up in the UK, but I've never seen fast food as cheap food, except possibly in terms of quality. It will always be cheaper to make something at home. I'm paying for the convenience of not having to do that, and an extra dollar here or there is not going to break the bank, given fast food is the exception when it comes to my eating habits, and not the rule.