Principia Discordia

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Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2013, 06:54:43 AM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:17:39 AM

Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 15, 2013, 05:50:45 AM


HATE.

ZOMG like, literally, right?

:lulz:  :crankey:  I just...  So much.  So much :wail: :argh!: :stabbydeathkill:

I'm laughing, but mostly at how twisted people get when language changes.

If you listen to how people talk in 2013, yes, this is one of the meanings of "literally". That doesn't cancel the previous definition, it expands it. This process has happened at some point to most of the words in our language.

It's the same dance with AAVE (african american vernacular English, sometimes called "Ebonics") -- are AAVE speakers just speaking English wrong? or does that grammar and usage represent a legitimate dialect? For some reason, people get very hostile about this issue.  :lol:

It's LITERALLY wrong.

Just like you, Cram.

Language as a whole is very dynamic, and I accept that. Though "literally" is one of my pet peeves. Along with the Oxford Comma and using foreign words to mean something completely different in English, such as "uber." Uber is a German preposition that means "above." I can see how it was turned into a superlative, but...GAAAAAH.

Oh, oh, oh...and "decimate." :cranky:

Quote from: Suu on August 15, 2013, 04:11:49 PM
Oh, oh, oh...and "decimate." :cranky:

Yeah, that one gets my back up.

when peeps type loose instead of lose. MAKES ME SOSOSOSMAD

However being a comma fucker is  potentially mean to those who have a learning disability like dyslexia and such and if I can actually parse it i leave the pedantry to other assholes.

If I can't understand it I just move on.

though I can't reconcile my rage when people say things like "ATM Machine". WHAT IS THAT, A MACHINE WHICH DISPENSES ATMS?



It's weird -- the concept that a word can have a proper spelling and definition was invented somewhere around 1450. Before the printing press, there was no notion of a word being "spelled wrong". All words were in flux for for most of our linguistic history. When they started printing books, it solidified things.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 15, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
though I can't reconcile my rage when people say things like "ATM Machine". WHAT IS THAT, A MACHINE WHICH DISPENSES ATMS?



It's weird -- the concept that a word can have a proper spelling and definition was invented somewhere around 1450. Before the printing press, there was no notion of a word being "spelled wrong". All words were in flux for for most of our linguistic history. When they started printing books, it solidified things.

What's funny is that most words had an accepted spelling by the 1700s.  Our forefathers were just illiterate.

I think its really REALLY annoying when people misuse apostrophe's. I mean... didnt you're school ever teach you anything at all? Learn how to English, FF'S.

They called it "English"

Fuck'em

Gloves r off  :argh!:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 15, 2013, 04:28:31 PM
They called it "English"

Fuck'em

Gloves r off  :argh!:

What could they do?  It's the only spoken language in the UK.

I don't give a rats bollock. They called it "English" then they insisted I was taught to speak and think it. Then, to add insult to injury, they refer to it as "the queens"

This is the point where it became my lifes work to fuck with the shit at every available opportunity. LITTERLY!

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 15, 2013, 04:31:59 PM
I don't give a rats bollock. They called it "English" then they insisted I was taught to speak and think it. Then, to add insult to injury, they refer to it as "the queens"

And this is a problem...why?

I mean, you can't be pissed that it's not called "Scottish", because you don't believe in government.

I get annoyed when people seem to literally make no effort to try to make their written language make sense to the reader.

I also get annoyed by needless pedantry. SO FUCKING ANNOYED.

My best friend is a brilliant woman, highly articulate, an excellent and prolific writer, and is also a notoriously bad speller. Whatevs, man. We all know what she's trying to convey with her use of language, and the editor can sort out her spelling.

Also, this conversation reminds me of Pergamos getting annoyed with the various and sundry contextual definitions of the word "minority" and declaring that any that don't fit his pre-existing understanding of the word are just made-up jargon.

The misuse of the apostrophe is one of the few things that brings me joy in life. Don't step.

I do have to say that my FAVORITE, I mean I get actual glee-shivers that make my nipples go hard when this happens, is when people invoke etymology to defend or decry a definition based merely on a phonetic similarity to other words, without actually first looking up the etymology.

I am so guilty of accidental apostrophe injections. I try to catch them, but hey, it happens...that apostrophe key is so delightful.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
I get annoyed when people seem to literally make no effort to try to make their written language make sense to the reader.

I also get annoyed by needless pedantry. SO FUCKING ANNOYED.

My best friend is a brilliant woman, highly articulate, an excellent and prolific writer, and is also a notoriously bad speller. Whatevs, man. We all know what she's trying to convey with her use of language, and the editor can sort out her spelling.

Also, this conversation reminds me of Pergamos getting annoyed with the various and sundry contextual definitions of the word "minority" and declaring that any that don't fit his pre-existing understanding of the word are just made-up jargon.

This is why the grammar nazi thing is almost as much fun as the ugly American thing.

Drives people batshit on facebook.

Quote from: Suu on August 15, 2013, 04:43:56 PM
I am so guilty of accidental apostrophe injections. I try to catch them, but hey, it happens...that apostrophe key is so delightful.

it's cool, an apostrophe just means "here comes an s!"

Quote from: Cramulus on August 15, 2013, 04:52:56 PM

Quote from: Suu on August 15, 2013, 04:43:56 PM
I am so guilty of accidental apostrophe injections. I try to catch them, but hey, it happens...that apostrophe key is so delightful.

it's cool, an apostrophe just means "here comes an s!"

That brings me to another question.

Plural possessives or names that end in an -s. Do you add the extra -s after the apostrophe or don't? I don't, but I know that both are considered grammatically correct. It's just one of those things that I'm always mindful of since I was taught that in grade school.

For example, you have Cramulus' and Cramulus's. Both are said the same way and mean the same thing, but one has the convenience -s.

I'm just curious has to who does what.

'

I'm more guilty of abusing that tricky tricky comma. Also the semicolon, which I just pretend does not exist.

I think I'm okay at apostrophes but some of that is from the Strong Bad grammar songs:

http://nodivisions.com/music/songs/strongbad/   
I'm at work so don't know if the links play or not.

QuoteOhhhhhhh {types while singing} If you want it to be possessive, it's just 'I-T-S.' But, if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's 'I-T-apostrophe-S,' {Short pause} scalawag.

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
I'm more guilty of abusing that tricky tricky comma. Also the semicolon, which I just pretend does not exist.

You are a bad person.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:38:34 PM

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
I'm more guilty of abusing that tricky tricky comma. Also the semicolon, which I just pretend does not exist.

You are a bad person.

To clarify, I'm not saying that semicolons shouldn't be in sentences. I'm saying they shouldn't be in my sentences. They should be in separate but equal sentences.

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:41:38 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:38:34 PM

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
I'm more guilty of abusing that tricky tricky comma. Also the semicolon, which I just pretend does not exist.

You are a bad person.

To clarify, I'm not saying that semicolons shouldn't be in sentences. I'm saying they shouldn't be in my sentences. They should be in separate but equal sentences.

I think we should bus my semicolons into your sentences. 

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:42:16 PM

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:41:38 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:38:34 PM

Quote from: McGrupp on August 15, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
I'm more guilty of abusing that tricky tricky comma. Also the semicolon, which I just pretend does not exist.

You are a bad person.

To clarify, I'm not saying that semicolons shouldn't be in sentences. I'm saying they shouldn't be in my sentences. They should be in separate but equal sentences.

I think we should bus my semicolons into your sentences. 

Social separation of commas and semicolons is a regional custom. The states should be left free to regulate their own social affairs.

Personally I like to use dashes instead of semicolons-haven't had a problem yet.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 04:46:09 PM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
I get annoyed when people seem to literally make no effort to try to make their written language make sense to the reader.

I also get annoyed by needless pedantry. SO FUCKING ANNOYED.

My best friend is a brilliant woman, highly articulate, an excellent and prolific writer, and is also a notoriously bad speller. Whatevs, man. We all know what she's trying to convey with her use of language, and the editor can sort out her spelling.

Also, this conversation reminds me of Pergamos getting annoyed with the various and sundry contextual definitions of the word "minority" and declaring that any that don't fit his pre-existing understanding of the word are just made-up jargon.

This is why the grammar nazi thing is almost as much fun as the ugly American thing.

Drives people batshit on facebook.

Oh, absolutely.  :lulz:

I wasn't really a used of semicolons until one of the past spags -- was it Badger somethingsomething? -- tried to go all Vonnegut on us; from then on, I used semicolons like a motherfucker.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 15, 2013, 06:02:14 PM
I wasn't really a used of semicolons until one of the past spags -- was it Badger somethingsomething? -- tried to go all Vonnegut on us; from then on, I used semicolons like a motherfucker.

Was it Vonnegut or Clemmens?   :?

QuoteHere is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college.
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man without a Country

Couldn't quickly find a quote attributed to Twain.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 15, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

QuoteHere is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college.
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man without a Country

Couldn't quickly find a quote attributed to Twain.

That was the quote I was thinking of.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 15, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

QuoteHere is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college.
-Kurt Vonnegut, A Man without a Country

Couldn't quickly find a quote attributed to Twain.

I remember seeing that on the newsfeed and thinking "Oh my god, I really don't know how to use a semicolon."

Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

I use them when ranting or fiction writing, to denote a pause.  But anyone using them more than once a paragraph - once a chapter is better - should be fed their own keyboard.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 06:45:27 PM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

I use them when ranting or fiction writing, to denote a pause.  But anyone using them more than once a paragraph - once a chapter is better - should be fed their own keyboard.

They're useful.

But they shouldn't be used as a SUBSTITUTE FOR ALL OTHER PUNCTUATION.

Also maddening, the random number of dots extended ellipses where people appear to just lean on the . key for a few seconds in between thoughts.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:55:31 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 06:45:27 PM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

I use them when ranting or fiction writing, to denote a pause.  But anyone using them more than once a paragraph - once a chapter is better - should be fed their own keyboard.

They're useful.

But they shouldn't be used as a SUBSTITUTE FOR ALL OTHER PUNCTUATION.

Also maddening, the random number of dots extended ellipses where people appear to just lean on the . key for a few seconds in between thoughts.

I use an ellipse to indicate a pause during which the right word is being looked for...So, yeah, ellipses between every phrase give a pretty clear indication of the thought processes being used.

:lol:

I... see.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

I used to do that a lot. Thankfully i stopped, and people... stopped...reading... my.. text.. like .. Bill... Shatner.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

Quote from: Cramulus on August 15, 2013, 04:52:56 PM

Quote from: Suu on August 15, 2013, 04:43:56 PM
I am so guilty of accidental apostrophe injections. I try to catch them, but hey, it happens...that apostrophe key is so delightful.

it's cool, an apostrophe just means "here comes an s!"

Not all the time. Sometimes it means they're goes an A

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

WAS THE SENTENCE AMBIGUOUS? DID THE INTENDED MEANING ESCAPE YOU?

THE REST OF LANGUAGE IS TABLE MANNERS, LIKE EXTENDING YOUR PINKIE (http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Pinkie_Pie).

here is some delightfully long rant about "could care less" :

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=854042

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

OK, that is seriously the least of that sentence's problems. THE VERY LEAST.

"more unhealthful"

"more unhealthful"

Was there something politically incorrect about just saying "less healthful"?  :?

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 16, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
here is some delightfully long rant about "could care less" :

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=854042

Um

I have barely started reading the comment  you linked to, and already I notice that the author is apparently unaware that "blackbird" is one word or that "board" in "room and board" still refers to food. That is why by definition a "boarding house" serves meals.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 16, 2013, 01:39:10 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

OK, that is seriously the least of that sentence's problems. THE VERY LEAST.

"more unhealthful"

"more unhealthful"

Was there something politically incorrect about just saying "less healthful"?  :?

I think that they were using the more quantitatively, "they eat more foods that are unhealthy," not as a modifier to the healthiness of the food.

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on August 16, 2013, 03:24:10 AM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 16, 2013, 01:39:10 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

OK, that is seriously the least of that sentence's problems. THE VERY LEAST.

"more unhealthful"

"more unhealthful"

Was there something politically incorrect about just saying "less healthful"?  :?

I think that they were using the more quantitatively, "they eat more foods that are unhealthy," not as a modifier to the healthiness of the food.

DOESN'T MATTER.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".

Why is it that journalists are now the CULPRITS instead of the grammar Nazis?

Samuel Clemmens and HL Mencken are probably rotating in their graves fast enough to generate Cherenkov radiation.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 16, 2013, 01:42:20 AM

Quote from: Triple Zero on August 16, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
here is some delightfully long rant about "could care less" :

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=854042

Um

I have barely started reading the comment  you linked to, and already I notice that the author is apparently unaware that "blackbird" is one word or that "board" in "room and board" still refers to food. That is why by definition a "boarding house" serves meals.

:lulz: I just remembered again why I often do these things wrong on purpose (though usually not in English, those mistakes are genuine), so much that there's a few Dutch partial phrases were at some point my default option would be the wrong one, I tried to go back, but I only got so far as now both options sound perfectly fine to me. Which is amazing to me, because I usually get language right because certain things "sound" or "feel" right intuitively, instead of applying rules.

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Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Ellipses drive me crazy... like when people write... like this... for no apparent... reason.

I used to do that a lot. Thankfully i stopped, and people... stopped...reading... my.. text.. like .. Bill... Shatner.

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Quote from: Suu on August 15, 2013, 04:11:49 PM
Language as a whole is very dynamic, and I accept that. Though "literally" is one of my pet peeves. Along with the Oxford Comma and using foreign words to mean something completely different in English, such as "uber." Uber is a German preposition that means "above." I can see how it was turned into a superlative, but...GAAAAAH.

Oh, oh, oh...and "decimate." :cranky:

This stuck in my eye and i have to comment, that - ok, if we forget about the missing diairesis ¨ which makes u actually a different letter in german: Ü -, über- as a prefix in german has many uses, one of them being its use as a superlative prefix:
http://www.dict.cc/?s=%C3%BCber
and though i'm not entirely sure about the official rules, colloquially it's seriously überused and i find it überawesum or, correctly put, übergeil  :lulz:

Quote from: Faust on August 15, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
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:lulz:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 16, 2013, 03:38:39 AM

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on August 16, 2013, 03:24:10 AM

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 16, 2013, 01:39:10 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/heavy-burden-obesity-may-be-even-deadlier-thought-6C10930019

QuotePeople who are obese are more likely to smoke than people who are not, Thorpe says, and they eat more unhealthful foods.

unhealthful

unhealthful

THIS WAS THE HEADLINING STORY ON NBC.  I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE SHIT ABOUT MY GRAMMAR NAZI TENDENCIES. 

UNHEALTHY.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".  GODDAMN IT.

:tgrr:

OK, that is seriously the least of that sentence's problems. THE VERY LEAST.

"more unhealthful"

"more unhealthful"

Was there something politically incorrect about just saying "less healthful"?  :?

I think that they were using the more quantitatively, "they eat more foods that are unhealthy," not as a modifier to the healthiness of the food.

DOESN'T MATTER.  THE WORD IS "UNHEALTHY".

Why is it that journalists are now the CULPRITS instead of the grammar Nazis?

Samuel Clemmens and HL Mencken are probably rotating in their graves fast enough to generate Cherenkov radiation.

IT HAPPENED BECAUSE YOUR GENERATION DECIDED THEY LIKED STEALING NEWS FROM THE INTERNET RATHER THAN BUYING IT ON THE NEWS STANDS.

THIS IS YOUR FAULT

This sentence contains two nonspandish words but the meaning can still be glorked from context.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 16, 2013, 02:26:31 PM
This sentence contains two nonspandish words but the meaning can still be glorked from context.

Yeah, but at the end of that road is Horab.

HORAB: NOT EVEN ONEC.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 16, 2013, 06:18:19 PM
Horab.

THAT'S NOT A WORD
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