Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2013, 11:44:23 PM

Title: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 16, 2013, 11:44:23 PM
Oh god why  :horrormirth:

http://orteil.dashnet.org/experiments/cookie/
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:05:47 AM
SOON I WILL HAVE ALL OF THE COOKIES.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:16:42 AM
The javascript is a good read, actually. Relevant to my interests.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:08:08 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: McGrupp on August 17, 2013, 02:12:12 AM
0 minutes- Man, what a silly game. Some people will play anything.

1 minutes- Heh, it's kind of neat.

2 minutes- Whoah I can buy stuff.

3 minutes- Need to go to the bathroom but that can wait. Gotta get that factory.

20 minutes- MY COOKIES WILL DARKEN THE SKIES THEMSELVES!!! SEE MY INDUSTRIAL MIGHT AND DESPAIR!!!
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:12:48 AM
My cookies bring all the boys to the yard.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: McGrupp on August 17, 2013, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:12:48 AM
My cookies bring all the boys to the yard.
:lulz:
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on August 17, 2013, 02:36:53 AM
Why did you do this to me?????
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?

He probably tweaked the code.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 03:05:24 AM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on August 17, 2013, 02:36:53 AM
Why did you do this to me?????

I AM A BAD BAD MAN.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 03:05:57 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?

He probably tweaked the code.

Oh, of course.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 03:05:57 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?

He probably tweaked the code.

Oh, of course.

I RESENT THE IMPLICATION THAT I CHEATED. I AM JUST A VERY GOOD CLICKER.

Or I borked it by changing the code.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 03:08:02 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 03:05:57 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?

He probably tweaked the code.

Oh, of course.

I RESENT THE IMPLICATION THAT I CHEATED. I AM JUST A VERY GOOD CLICKER.

Or I borked it by changing the code.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on August 17, 2013, 03:10:50 AM
My cookies are under government surveillance...
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 03:28:38 AM
Elder gods from the whole cosmos have awoken to taste my cookies.

Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 03:07:32 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 03:05:57 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 02:57:16 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 12:27:22 AM
I broke it: http://i.imgur.com/4D282gw.png

How the fuck did you do that so fast?

Am I just way slower because I've been doing other things (which, admittedly, were good and necessary things, like homework and grocery shopping and cooking dinner)?

He probably tweaked the code.

Oh, of course.

I RESENT THE IMPLICATION THAT I CHEATED. I AM JUST A VERY GOOD CLICKER.

Or I borked it by changing the code.

:P
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 17, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
also the "export/import save" function = easy to game.

my legitimate game has 23ish million cookies now at a rate of 13,000/second.
my cheat game has more cookies than there are numbers in human mathematics, at a rate of somewhere between 17 and 24 million per second.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
The background change at the whatever million mark almost made me shit my pants.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 17, 2013, 03:52:30 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
The background change at the whatever million mark almost made me shit my pants.

that's the wrath of the ancients. you must purchase an Elder Pledge.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 04:01:20 AM
Can I pay in cookies?
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 04:44:29 AM
Quote from: V3X on August 17, 2013, 03:52:30 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
The background change at the whatever million mark almost made me shit my pants.

that's the wrath of the ancients. you must purchase an Elder Pledge.

Just saw that button. Cool. The screen has stopped flashing and seizing and . . .
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
Uhhhhh so am I gonna have a seizure if I get near a million cookies?

Just curious.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:12:31 PM
No, it's not that prounounced. By the time you're at ten million or so, though, you'll want to turn flashing off in the box under the number of cookies.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Triple Zero on August 17, 2013, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 03:07:32 AMI RESENT THE IMPLICATION THAT I CHEATED. I AM JUST A VERY GOOD CLIHACKER.

First thing I did with that candy/lollypops game as well.

Ctrl-shift-J, console, HACKETYHACKETYHACK

In fact I did very similar when I saw some people working on those codecademy.com exercises, regged myself an account, tried to beat them not by solving the actual exercises but by writing the shortest piece of incorrect code that the codecademy server would still (erroneously) accept and advance me to the next lesson. It's actually not that hard, for instance there's a couple of exercises that pass on the following code:

0

:)
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:12:31 PM
No, it's not that prounounced. By the time you're at ten million or so, though, you'll want to turn flashing off in the box under the number of cookies.

Excellent, thank you!
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
I like how the pictures of the grandmothers change as you add more of them.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
I like how the pictures of the grandmothers change as you add more of them.  :lulz:

Yeah, what is even the deal there?  :lulz:
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 17, 2013, 05:29:15 PM
My cookies have been placed under government surveillance.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
The universe is made of cookie dough on the molecular level.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
I like how the pictures of the grandmothers change as you add more of them.  :lulz:

Yeah, what is even the deal there?  :lulz:

I'm entertained by the eldergod grannies. But I don't want to be the one eating the cookies they make.

ETA: We'll send THOSE cookies to Night Vale.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
What is fascinating to me about this game, and all games of its ilk, is that it is totally entertaining mostly because it triggers the hoarding urge. NEED TO MAKE MORE COOKIES. MORE MORE MORE. Even though there is literally zero benefit from any of this.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 06:46:07 PM
MORE COOKIES OOK OOK

See, this is the urge that I think drives the super-rich, who have no need for more money but can't seem to resist the drive to accumulate more and more.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Yeah, it's an interesting loop. Get cookies to get things that give you more cookies to get more cookies to get you more things that get you more cookies to get even more more more more more more moremoremoremoremoeromeromeroeromeoroermeormeroereor . . . .
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
Yes... there is absolutely no point to getting more, yet it is, nonetheless, pleasurable to accumulate more, even though in a very literally sense "more" is simply a fiction.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Junkenstein on August 17, 2013, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
What is fascinating to me about this game, and all games of its ilk, is that it is totally entertaining mostly because it triggers the hoarding urge. NEED TO MAKE MORE COOKIES. MORE MORE MORE. Even though there is literally zero benefit from any of this.

On this angle it may be interesting to look at the Skinner box and schedules of reinforcement. The main thing that seems to differentiate these kind of games for me is how effective they are at setting up the inital schedule.

For WOW kind of gamers, I'd guess this to be more addictive than the "candies!" one that came up as you can quickly increase the rate of rewards. I bet (know) there's a scary number of people still playing both of these and similar for considerable months.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
Yes... there is absolutely no point to getting more, yet it is, nonetheless, pleasurable to accumulate more, even though in a very literally sense "more" is simply a fiction.

An increasing arbitrary number can be very psychologically pleasing to watch increase. Ever thrown a huge jar of change through a coin-counting machine? Same part of the brain lights up. Part of the reason pretty much every subscription game has some kind of XP bar. Think I threw a thread up about this kind of shit in general a few months ago, there may be some stuff in there that's related.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: McGrupp on August 17, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
What is fascinating to me about this game, and all games of its ilk, is that it is totally entertaining mostly because it triggers the hoarding urge. NEED TO MAKE MORE COOKIES. MORE MORE MORE. Even though there is literally zero benefit from any of this.

It would be interesting if they added a game mechanic that showed what the consequences of such exponential hoarding were. Showing scorched earth cityscapes and the lower quality of life of the grandmas as the cookie industrial complex expands.

It reminds me of another game called Oiligarchy, which puts the player in the role of an oil tycoon. Your job is to exploit the oil to gain money to make more oil while keeping your shareholders happy. This is easy at the beginning but by the end as the oil runs out more it forces the player to do progressively more morally wrong things. Bribing politicians, squelching protests, destroying the environment, and creating unrest in third world countries are all things that the player is forced to do if you want to win. It's a pretty fun game but also illustrates a good point.

http://www.molleindustria.org/en/oiligarchy/
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 10:12:33 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on August 17, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
What is fascinating to me about this game, and all games of its ilk, is that it is totally entertaining mostly because it triggers the hoarding urge. NEED TO MAKE MORE COOKIES. MORE MORE MORE. Even though there is literally zero benefit from any of this.

It would be interesting if they added a game mechanic that showed what the consequences of such exponential hoarding were. Showing scorched earth cityscapes and the lower quality of life of the grandmas as the cookie industrial complex expands.

It reminds me of another game called Oiligarchy, which puts the player in the role of an oil tycoon. Your job is to exploit the oil to gain money to make more oil while keeping your shareholders happy. This is easy at the beginning but by the end as the oil runs out more it forces the player to do progressively more morally wrong things. Bribing politicians, squelching protests, destroying the environment, and creating unrest in third world countries are all things that the player is forced to do if you want to win. It's a pretty fun game but also illustrates a good point.

http://www.molleindustria.org/en/oiligarchy/

Oooh, this looks like a pleasing demonstration of unsustainable practices.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 17, 2013, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 06:45:11 PM
What is fascinating to me about this game, and all games of its ilk, is that it is totally entertaining mostly because it triggers the hoarding urge. NEED TO MAKE MORE COOKIES. MORE MORE MORE. Even though there is literally zero benefit from any of this.

On this angle it may be interesting to look at the Skinner box and schedules of reinforcement. The main thing that seems to differentiate these kind of games for me is how effective they are at setting up the inital schedule.

For WOW kind of gamers, I'd guess this to be more addictive than the "candies!" one that came up as you can quickly increase the rate of rewards. I bet (know) there's a scary number of people still playing both of these and similar for considerable months.

Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
Yes... there is absolutely no point to getting more, yet it is, nonetheless, pleasurable to accumulate more, even though in a very literally sense "more" is simply a fiction.

An increasing arbitrary number can be very psychologically pleasing to watch increase. Ever thrown a huge jar of change through a coin-counting machine? Same part of the brain lights up. Part of the reason pretty much every subscription game has some kind of XP bar. Think I threw a thread up about this kind of shit in general a few months ago, there may be some stuff in there that's related.

I have an article for you. For the whole board, really; I'll post it in another thread.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
I like how the pictures of the grandmothers change as you add more of them.  :lulz:

Yeah, what is even the deal there?  :lulz:

Your mines/factories/other facilities buff the grandmas increasing their productivity and making some of the grandma's styled as factory workers, miners or time travellers.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: Pæs on August 17, 2013, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 17, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 17, 2013, 05:24:25 PM
I like how the pictures of the grandmothers change as you add more of them.  :lulz:

Yeah, what is even the deal there?  :lulz:

Your mines/factories/other facilities buff the grandmas increasing their productivity and making some of the grandma's styled as factory workers, miners or time travellers.

Ohhhhhhh!
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 17, 2013, 10:58:49 PM
Hahaha the alchemy grandmas are solid gold.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 18, 2013, 12:05:44 AM
Apparently it's time for me to stop playing. Too many cookies.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2013, 12:57:44 AM
I want to get 50 of everything and then I'll quit.

AND THEN I'LL QUIT, I SAY.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2013, 12:58:29 AM
Grandma is terrifying.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2013, 02:33:10 AM
With candies you had quests. This one looks like straight MOREMOREMORE.  :lol:
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 18, 2013, 02:52:00 AM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 18, 2013, 12:57:44 AM
I want to get 50 of everything and then I'll quit.

AND THEN I'LL QUIT, I SAY.

That was my goal . . . now I've got 103 grandmas, 85 factories, 70 something mines.

Cookies, not even once.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 18, 2013, 03:12:32 AM
I have this under control

I can quit anytime I want.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 18, 2013, 04:35:00 AM
So can I. I've got two billion cookies. Really, how many do I need?
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 18, 2013, 04:36:15 AM
Oh look. Three more time machines. Four portals. Six shipments. Seven mines. Three factories. FIVE GRAAAND-MAAAAAS

I can quit anytime I want, too.
Title: Re: Cookie clicker
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 18, 2013, 05:44:38 AM
They're not REAL cookies, so of COURSE I can quit.
After I get a few more time machines.
Just a few.

(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4093/73r2.jpg)