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Have you caught the "We steal secrets" documentary yet? There's a lot of similar behaviours noted in there that would seem to mesh with this. The desire for control, a need to have Wikileaks/Assange viewed as essentially the same thing so an attack on one becomes an attack on the other etc.
Thinking about in those lines, it's not that surprising his political aspirations have stalled. He seems to be exceptionally good at alienating even his closest supporters given time.
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
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Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
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I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
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Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
He could have made it harder on them, is all.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
He could have made it harder on them, is all.
Who says he didn't? Who says any of the accusations against him are true?
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
He could have made it harder on them, is all.
Who says he didn't? Who says any of the accusations against him are true?
I'm pretty confident he's a douche. Some of the accusations are probably false, and some are overblown, but that doesn't change the fact that he sucks as a person.
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Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
Just want to add to this, while it doesn't invalidate his reporting, it does make it much harder for others to validate it. Really, who wants to examine the Nasty Truth at the best of times? Not many. Who really wants to look at the Nasty Truth when it's being presented to you by a (possible) rapist? Even less.
Also, the OP is quite telling about politics in general. There's the constant huge fight over who can be the most central and appeal to the most people. The result is any concession in one direction will inevitably alienate potential supporters. The numbers you alienate increase the more you reach to either side.
QuoteThen they discovered that Assange instead had made deals with a far-right party as well as one that is militantly pro-gun. The result was a number of party members quit, including Leslie Cannold, Assange's No. 2 in the party, and Daniel Mathews, one of his close friends from college, leaving the party divided two weeks before the election.
There's also just being dumb. If he didn't expect that reaction then he may just be acting crazy in an Embassy.
QuoteWho says he didn't? Who says any of the accusations against him are true?
I'd encourage you all to have a look at that documentary I mentioned. It covers pretty much exactly this.
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I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
He could have made it harder on them, is all.
Who says he didn't? Who says any of the accusations against him are true?
I'm pretty confident he's a douche. Some of the accusations are probably false, and some are overblown, but that doesn't change the fact that he sucks as a person.
Based on what information, and from whom?
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
I wish he wasn't such a flagrant douche.
I don't care, really. As Cain says, even if this is true, it doesn't invalidate his reporting.
And whether or not it's true, what motivation is there in reporting it? Oh, yeah.
I care, because it sucks that he has this giant DOUCHE handle sticking out of his forehead that everyone can use to smear the cause. He should know better than to have handles.
That was going to happen whether or not he actually has those handles.
He could have made it harder on them, is all.
Who says he didn't? Who says any of the accusations against him are true?
I'm pretty confident he's a douche. Some of the accusations are probably false, and some are overblown, but that doesn't change the fact that he sucks as a person.
Based on what information, and from whom?
People who know him, whom I trust implicitly.
If the implication is that someone knows that he did commit the sexual charges thrown at him, then a little more then I have a friend who said so will be required, otherwise its best not to bring it up and should be kept to what is publicly available information.
Oh, sorry I wasn't talking about any of the charges of sexual assault, just personality. I should have been more clear.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 04:33:09 PM
Oh, sorry I wasn't talking about any of the charges of sexual assault, just personality. I should have been more clear.
Ah ok, yeah, any interviews I've seen make him come across as incredibly arrogant and self serving, pure douchbag.
I think it's pretty likely that only that kind of personality is going to do what he did.
I don't see some mousey introvert throwing themselves out there like that to expose government secrets.
Quote from: I, Regulator on September 10, 2013, 04:55:04 PM
I think it's pretty likely that only that kind of personality is going to do what he did.
I don't see some mousey introvert throwing themselves out there like that to expose government secrets.
Snowden looks pretty mousey to me, but I haven't seen him speak.
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Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on September 10, 2013, 04:33:09 PM
Oh, sorry I wasn't talking about any of the charges of sexual assault, just personality. I should have been more clear.
Ah ok, yeah, any interviews I've seen make him come across as incredibly arrogant and self serving, pure douchbag.
Yeah, but "douchebag" isn't an argument.
Quote from: Faust on September 10, 2013, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: I, Regulator on September 10, 2013, 04:55:04 PM
I think it's pretty likely that only that kind of personality is going to do what he did.
I don't see some mousey introvert throwing themselves out there like that to expose government secrets.
Snowden looks pretty mousey to me, but I haven't seen him speak.
Snowden's forum history indicates that he's not terribly mousey.
Assange hiself ended up with 1.18% of primary votes (you need nearly 14% for a seat, after preferences). Before his preference deals were made public, he had polled at 4%.
The Greens, whom he preferenced against, were the only party in parliament here that lobbied the government to provide Assange with the same diplomatic and legal resources availabale to, say, accused murderers and drug dealers arrested overseas. His preference deals shouldn't stop this, but he does seem to alienate his sources of support.
Preferencing against the Greens was likely seen by him as a Machiavellian thing, as it's most likely he'd be competing against the Greens for Senate seats in all states. He failed in this though, as his preferences could have helped a wacky array of minor parties control the balance of power in the Senate. These include -
The Motoring Entusiasts Party - they advocate cheap oil, and have little other policies. Why didn't some else think of that?
The Australian Sports Party - They literally have no policies. They made a philosophical Statement that there should be more sport
Palmer United Party - A political party designed wholly to advance the mining interests of it's magnate founder, Clive Palmer. The same chap is rebuilding the Titanic, and opening a Jurassic Park in Australia
Australian Sex Party - Actually, this party should be in government.
Liberal Democrats - Libertarian from the right
The consolation is that the wacky parties have won seats from the major parties, it seems (Labor and Liberal), while the Greens seemed to have increased their seats. Vote counting isn't completed as yet, but it's close.
I don't know if the concept of "preferencing", very important in Australian "democracy", is understood by all. If anyone's interested, I'll try and think of a brief way of explaining it. But, basically, it gives smaller parties a chance of Senate representation, but involves a lot of backstage hoodoo.
The fact that he's a douche may actually be a good thing, karmically. I mean, he's going to be hassled in a completely unjustified way for doing some very good work; we all feel less guilty about it since we know he's a d-bag (sort of like Weev).
Snowden might be mousey in person. Ars Technica has an article about how he was an arrogant right-wing asshole/troll online, though.