http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/greece-murder-golden-dawn
Protests have popped up all over Greece and seem to be spreading amongst antifascist networks to the rest of Europe. I know some folks that are planning one near me even. Apparently the Golden Dawn HQ was attacked and it's getting a bit rioty and it may cause more strikes.
http://libcom.org/news/greece-antifascist-rapper-stabbed-death-25-neonazis-18092013THis seems to be more detailed about the actual assault, and somehow, with GD's links with Greek police.
it's also been 2 months since this happened:- http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-went-to-the-memorial-gatherings-for-the-murdered-french-anti-fascist
What do you think will come out of the protests?
Quote from: Twigel on September 19, 2013, 01:12:32 AM
What do you think will come out of the protests?
If it at least causes people to sneer at fascists, it's a win.
These fuckers fold right up if the mob turns against them.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on September 19, 2013, 02:30:09 AM
Quote from: Twigel on September 19, 2013, 01:12:32 AM
What do you think will come out of the protests?
If it at least causes people to sneer at fascists, it's a win.
These fuckers fold right up if the mob turns against them.
So this may well hold them back a little more.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on September 19, 2013, 02:30:09 AM
Quote from: Twigel on September 19, 2013, 01:12:32 AM
What do you think will come out of the protests?
If it at least causes people to sneer at fascists, it's a win.
These fuckers fold right up if the mob turns against them.
Well we DO learn from history, right?
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Caught this late last night. For me, the most shocking thing was the descriptions of what the police did to intervene. Mainly nothing. There's already established ties between Golden Dawn and the police but that just seems to imply a level of support that should be quite worrying. Particularly for any upcoming protests.
I'm wondering if this show of people on the streets will be enough to scare the legal system into not fucking up the case against the assailant. there would be serious rioting.
Cain, do you think if GD lose their seats in the next round of elections that they might be banned? Obviously doing it whilst they have 18 MP's is a bad idea, and counter to a democratic system, keeping the peace and as much as I have a distaste for the far right it'd only feed their persecution complexes.
Generally i'm a little concerned that this is the second of such high profile deaths of antifascists in Europe in a short space of time, but the amount of people hitting the streets after these deaths seems to be very large, so there are definitely people Not Buying It when it comes to the far-right shit.
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 19, 2013, 08:14:22 AM
Caught this late last night. For me, the most shocking thing was the descriptions of what the police did to intervene. Mainly nothing. There's already established ties between Golden Dawn and the police but that just seems to imply a level of support that should be quite worrying. Particularly for any upcoming protests.
Yea, fash in uniform (and not just the fancy blackshirts they pick out for themselves) is really fucking alarming. Fucking up the case, as I said earlier, might be a recipe for disaster though considering the protests. Proscribing GD is a bad idea, I don't know how entrenched they are in the police for this one cop to get any sort of punitive measure. Coppers tend to close ranks on this shit anyway even without neo-nazis in the mix. I am not optimistic on that front.
I'll find some pics later (there were quite a few on my Tumblr feed yesterday) of the antifascist protests.
Split per Pixie's request.
The new thread is here:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,35453.0.html
If I missed any relevant posts, please link me and I'll move it over here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24314319
I am somewhat surprised. The Golden Dawn leader has been arrested.
Senior cops are resigning, there is an investigation into GD going on.
I would have lost money on this happening. Very interesting. I wonder how much is show and how much is actual action? I hope the procedure is 100% legal because the worst thing you can do to pricks like this is not abide by the letter of the law. Any excuse for a Nazi to scream about being oppressed can and will be taken.
It's also going to be well worth watching the charges that drop out of all this. There's been suggestions of GD involvement in all manner of nasty shit so conspiracy to X charges could be the angle to watch.
Good background article:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2013/09/28/blood-and-honour-the-family-behind-greece-s-neo-nazi-party
QuoteFormerly on the fringe of Greek politics, Golden Dawn went from 19,000 votes a few years ago to over 426,000 in June 2012 after pledging to "scour the country" clean of illegal immigrants.
Michaloliakos later said the party's voters were "the equivalent of 30-40 army divisions."
As an indication of size, I'd guess this to be plausible given the share of power in government. Also gives an idea of just how many people are probably not happy
at all right now.
QuoteMichaloliakos has called illegal immigration a "wound" for Greece while his wife Zaroulia described immigrants as "sub-humans" in a speech to parliament, saying they had "invaded" the country bringing "all sorts of diseases".
To the dismay of anti-racist activists and Jewish groups, Zaroulia was appointed in October to the committee on equality and non-discrimination of the Council of Europe's parliamentary assembly.
Charming.
QuoteEthnos daily last year said Michaloliakos and Zaroulia had owned a sex hotel in central Athens until the eve of national elections.
Quizzed on the issue, Michaloliakos later admitted that his wife owned 15 percent of the hotel, but he insisted: "I don't know what kind of hotel it is. We have nothing to do with its operation."
And blatant bullshit. With political will to do something about this, I bet the dodgy shit isn't well hidden. Losing police support probably won't help in this regard either.
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Quote from: Cain on September 28, 2013, 10:03:21 PM
This article may explain what I am talking about a bit more
http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2013/09/18/op-ed-on-pavlos-fyssas-murder-dangerous-political-game-that-backfired-and-got-out-of-control/#sthash.VJu5R1T7.dpuf
Quote"The theory of two poles" in practice was translated into trivializing the extreme-right Golden Dawn and criminalizing left-wing SYRIZA.
Or, as Eurointelligence puts it:
QuoteBut some have also suggested that the main government parties have been unwilling to challenge Golden Dawn on the extreme right because it made it easier for them to characterize it as equivalent to the challenge posed from the left by SYRIZA. This 'theory of two poles' results in 'trivializing the extreme-right Golden Dawn and criminalizing left-wing SYRIZA'.
As far as the traditional parties are concerned, SYRIZA are the real threat here. Yes, the Golden Dawn is also dangerous to the status quo. But allowing the Golden Dawn to run around serves two purposes; the government can warn against the extremes of the political spectrum on both sides by reference to the Golden Dawn's actions alone, and the Golden Dawn will target SYRIZA members and supporters more than anyone else, immigrants aside.
Cool. I have opened a tab for tomorrow's reading.
In further fascist news:
http://world.time.com/2013/10/14/russia-responds-to-anti-migrant-riots-by-arresting-migrants/
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Quote from: Cain on October 15, 2013, 06:05:36 AM
Yeah, Russia's skinheads are scary, and have a certain amount of political clout.
For some reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin), in 1990s Russia, geopolitics has been wed to a mystical interpretation of fascism, which has increased the latter's currency among certain elites of a Eurasian bent. In turn, this means the street level thugs get the kid glove treatment.
Meanwhile, Greece seems to be cracking down on the Golden Dawn. Time will tell how effective that truly is.
Also sounds historically familiar. You don't crack down on them unless you crush them.
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