http://iliveinashed.tumblr.com/post/62921762578/part-1-of-the-angry-eye-experiment-about-racism
Blocked. I'll check it out at home tonight.
Cool.
Had a lot of trouble watching that. Makes me feel like I'm back in grade school being bullied.
Quote from: Kai on October 02, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Had a lot of trouble watching that. Makes me feel like I'm back in grade school being bullied.
Yea, it's not the easiest thing to watch, but that's a small taste of racism.
She does a really good job presenting the argument. It IS difficult to watch, and that's the whole point. It's amazing to watch how the students went from being totally nonchalant to feeling belittled and berated. It's sad, yes, but it's true.
This reminds me of an exercise that we did in CCD (for non-Catholics, "Confraternity of Christian Doctrine" or basically, religious education for those who do not, or no longer, go to parochial school), though it was less intense by far, and the subject wasn't racism, it was poverty. I think that it was poorly set up, because I imagine that it only instructed those who fell into the 3rd world part of the experiment. We had a social gathering where we all ate and were divided into groups. One group was sat at a table and had rich, flavorful food and soda and, well, typical American fare. Another group got rice, beans and vegetables. My group got rice. (I had latched somewhat onto Communism by that point, so I already had snarky jokes at the ready).
Now, the reason that this was poorly set up is that middle class, largely Irish or otherwise North-West European, American kids still got the good stuff and were chided for not giving away any of their food to us rice and beans folk at the end of the experiment.
A better experiment would have involved everyone getting rice, and adult parishioners getting the good stuff. Perhaps also coming up to us with a mouth full of chicken, watching us like we were an informercial on TV and saying, "that's quite the shame, that people have to live like that."
Quote from: Kai on October 02, 2013, 09:36:51 PM
Had a lot of trouble watching that. Makes me feel like I'm back in grade school being bullied.
That's basically what the entire culture of the US is to people of color. It's constant, unceasing bullying. Even coming from people who don't know they're doing it.
I've always fucking LOVED that lady. And I didn't know she was still doing that. Very cool.
More: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYHBrJIIFU
"I refuse to apologize for my actions so I will instead attempt to apologize for something else"
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 07:35:04 AM
More: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYHBrJIIFU
thank you for that!
I watched the links here and then the compilation 4 parter thing "How Racist Are You?" Very interesting watching US vs UK respond. It's interesting watching the participants getting caught up in their Freudian slips and idiocy when flustered. And then watching them deny it even happened a second later.
I love. Love how people do this whole "Well it doesn't affect me so it doesn't exist" bullshit. And don't realize that's what they are fucking doing. Or the "Well everyone stubs their toe, stop whining about having your legs ripped off by monsters already."
I only got a chance to watch the UK one. The reaction the white folks have is really, really disturbing. I think it might be a case of "why don't they just?" syndrome. Also, I want to be that lady when I'm old.
I want to be that lady NOW.
I especially liked the bit on "I don't see color". I'm STEALING that.
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
I want to be that lady NOW.
I especially liked the bit on "I don't see color". I'm STEALING that.
A combination of this place and sociology class has shown me how that sort of thing is bullshit. Denying that you see color, as pointed out is clearly lying to yourself, and self-evidently. Secondly, it's a way to negate the other person's perspective. It's done with good intentions, but if one actively refuses to acknowledge another's skin color, it's also actively refusing to acknowledge their personal experiences and cultural influences. It also is actively refusing to fix the root problem of racism. Colorblindness is another form of racism. The sneaky kind.
ETA: It seeks to eradicate diversity through willful ignorance.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 04, 2013, 01:37:23 AM
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
I want to be that lady NOW.
I especially liked the bit on "I don't see color". I'm STEALING that.
A combination of this place and sociology class has shown me how that sort of thing is bullshit. Denying that you see color, as pointed out is clearly lying to yourself, and self-evidently. Secondly, it's a way to negate the other person's perspective. It's done with good intentions, but if one actively refuses to acknowledge another's skin color, it's also actively refusing to acknowledge their personal experiences and cultural influences. It also is actively refusing to fix the root problem of racism. Colorblindness is another form of racism. The sneaky kind.
ETA: It seeks to eradicate diversity through willful ignorance.
"I don't see sex. When I look at you, I don't see a man." Can't WAIT to throw that out at a forum or facebook next time somebody says "I don't see color.". :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: stelz on October 04, 2013, 04:10:30 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 04, 2013, 01:37:23 AM
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
I want to be that lady NOW.
I especially liked the bit on "I don't see color". I'm STEALING that.
A combination of this place and sociology class has shown me how that sort of thing is bullshit. Denying that you see color, as pointed out is clearly lying to yourself, and self-evidently. Secondly, it's a way to negate the other person's perspective. It's done with good intentions, but if one actively refuses to acknowledge another's skin color, it's also actively refusing to acknowledge their personal experiences and cultural influences. It also is actively refusing to fix the root problem of racism. Colorblindness is another form of racism. The sneaky kind.
ETA: It seeks to eradicate diversity through willful ignorance.
"I don't see sex. When I look at you, I don't see a man." Can't WAIT to throw that out at a forum or facebook next time somebody says "I don't see color.". :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
That's actually a really good analogy.
Of course you see sex. Otherwise, how would you mate? Oh, you're saying that your a feminist. Cool, I am too. But you know, there are clear physical differences and clear experiences (male leers at female, female gets uncomfortable) "Sorry, nothing personal. I don't see sex. But you got a nice rack that I totally didn't notice."
I really love that this is a real, serious dialogue that I am seeing more and more of. For the first time in my whole life, seeing white people - not a ton of white people, but some white people - seriously looking at cultural and institutional racist conditioning, and acknowledging its existence and the need to be conscious of it, is real, actual change. Even though there are still tons and tons of people who will go to extraordinary lengths to deny it, this dialogue is happening, and that makes me feel hopeful.
Quote from: stelz on October 04, 2013, 04:10:30 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 04, 2013, 01:37:23 AM
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
I want to be that lady NOW.
I especially liked the bit on "I don't see color". I'm STEALING that.
A combination of this place and sociology class has shown me how that sort of thing is bullshit. Denying that you see color, as pointed out is clearly lying to yourself, and self-evidently. Secondly, it's a way to negate the other person's perspective. It's done with good intentions, but if one actively refuses to acknowledge another's skin color, it's also actively refusing to acknowledge their personal experiences and cultural influences. It also is actively refusing to fix the root problem of racism. Colorblindness is another form of racism. The sneaky kind.
ETA: It seeks to eradicate diversity through willful ignorance.
"I don't see sex. When I look at you, I don't see a man." Can't WAIT to throw that out at a forum or facebook next time somebody says "I don't see color.". :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Oh I'm using this.
:lulz:
Quote from: Mean Mister Nigel on October 04, 2013, 04:58:52 AM
I really love that this is a real, serious dialogue that I am seeing more and more of. For the first time in my whole life, seeing white people - not a ton of white people, but some white people - seriously looking at cultural and institutional racist conditioning, and acknowledging its existence and the need to be conscious of it, is real, actual change. Even though there are still tons and tons of people who will go to extraordinary lengths to deny it, this dialogue is happening, and that makes me feel hopeful.
Out of curiosity, what does it say about me that I was unmoved by this clip?
From my own perspective, when she said, "I have no sympathy..." I think that summed up my apathy, for lack of a better term. Honestly, I have a much better understanding of prejudice is as a result, of well, talking to you (and my sociology professor, who was a gay Asian), and then taking that and asking questions of black friends that I've known since high school.
Actually one of the most telling things was how black people and white people react to police. I may have mentioned that Pickle's gf is black and she's more than willing to talk about it, as a black woman who is also a respected member of the community (librarian). Cops come, sit on your hands. Yes sir. No sir. We were in fact invited to this party, sir. We're not causing any trouble, sir.
That would never occur to me. Angela basically said that black people teach their children to automatically show themselves as nonthreatening to authority, and if you don't defer, you're asking for trouble.
After talking to you, Nigel, I asked her, is it true that you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and see yourself as black? And she , well, didn't say anything, just nodded.
So, yeah. You can't be color blind if people of color can't be colorblind to themselves.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on October 04, 2013, 05:53:21 AM
Quote from: Mean Mister Nigel on October 04, 2013, 04:58:52 AM
I really love that this is a real, serious dialogue that I am seeing more and more of. For the first time in my whole life, seeing white people - not a ton of white people, but some white people - seriously looking at cultural and institutional racist conditioning, and acknowledging its existence and the need to be conscious of it, is real, actual change. Even though there are still tons and tons of people who will go to extraordinary lengths to deny it, this dialogue is happening, and that makes me feel hopeful.
Out of curiosity, what does it say about me that I was unmoved by this clip?
From my own perspective, when she said, "I have no sympathy..." I think that summed up my apathy, for lack of a better term. Honestly, I have a much better understanding of prejudice is as a result, of well, talking to you (and my sociology professor, who was a gay Asian), and then taking that and asking questions of black friends that I've known since high school.
Actually one of the most telling things was how black people and white people react to police. I may have mentioned that Pickle's gf is black and she's more than willing to talk about it, as a black woman who is also a respected member of the community (librarian). Cops come, sit on your hands. Yes sir. No sir. We were in fact invited to this party, sir. We're not causing any trouble, sir.
That would never occur to me. Angela basically said that black people teach their children to automatically show themselves as nonthreatening to authority, and if you don't defer, you're asking for trouble.
After talking to you, Nigel, I asked her, is it true that you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and see yourself as black? And she , well, didn't say anything, just nodded.
So, yeah. You can't be color blind if people of color can't be colorblind to themselves.
Oh wow, that is a good one.
I know it is not the tradition to put this kind of shit up there, but Newsfeed?