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Impossible! The man won the Nobel Peace Prize!
Not surprised
Depressed, but glad there were studies done.
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
YOUR AVATAR!
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Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
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Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:10:25 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
On that topic... (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140155/henry-farrell-and-martha-finnemore/the-end-of-hypocrisy)
My browser just locked solid. :lulz:
But with a title like that, I'll be looking at it tonight.
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Got it.
But not a subscriber. :sad:
First 5 paragraphs are good, though.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
QuoteThis system needs the lubricating oil of hypocrisy to keep its gears turning. To ensure that the world order continues to be seen as legitimate, U.S. officials must regularly promote and claim fealty to its core liberal principles; the United States cannot impose its hegemony through force alone. But as the recent leaks have shown, Washington is also unable to consistently abide by the values that it trumpets. This disconnect creates the risk that other states might decide that the U.S.-led order is fundamentally illegitimate.
Of course, the United States has gotten away with hypocrisy for some time now. It has long preached the virtues of nuclear nonproliferation, for example, and has coerced some states into abandoning their atomic ambitions. At the same time, it tacitly accepted Israel's nuclearization and, in 2004, signed a formal deal affirming India's right to civilian nuclear energy despite its having flouted the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty by acquiring nuclear weapons. In a similar vein, Washington talks a good game on democracy, yet it stood by as the Egyptian military overthrew an elected government in July, refusing to call a coup a coup. Then there's the "war on terror": Washington pushes foreign governments hard on human rights but claims sweeping exceptions for its own behavior when it feels its safety is threatened.
The reason the United States has until now suffered few consequences for such hypocrisy is that other states have a strong interest in turning a blind eye. Given how much they benefit from the global public goods Washington provides, they have little interest in calling the hegemon on its bad behavior. Public criticism risks pushing the U.S. government toward self-interested positions that would undermine the larger world order. Moreover, the United States can punish those who point out the inconsistency in its actions by downgrading trade relations or through other forms of direct retaliation. Allies thus usually air their concerns in private. Adversaries may point fingers, but few can convincingly occupy the moral high ground. Complaints by China and Russia hardly inspire admiration for their purer policies.
The ease with which the United States has been able to act inconsistently has bred complacency among its leaders. Since few countries ever point out the nakedness of U.S. hypocrisy, and since those that do can usually be ignored, American politicians have become desensitized to their country's double standards. But thanks to Manning and Snowden, such double standards are getting harder and harder to ignore.
To quote in part
Oh, shit yes.
QuoteThis system needs the lubricating oil of hypocrisy to keep its gears turning. To ensure that the world order continues to be seen as legitimate, U.S. officials must regularly promote and claim fealty to its core liberal principles; the United States cannot impose its hegemony through force alone. But as the recent leaks have shown, Washington is also unable to consistently abide by the values that it trumpets. This disconnect creates the risk that other states might decide that the U.S.-led order is fundamentally illegitimate.
This should be engraved over the door of every university classroom in the country. And tattoed onto the foreheads of every sitting president.
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Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
To get past the nannywall, all you need is to turn Javascript off. Both Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy are amazingly, technically incompetent.
Not as incompetent as me.
I don't know how to turn Javascript off. I don't even know what it is. :sad:
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Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:27:25 PM
If you're using Firefox, you should have NoScript installed. It automatically turns Javascript off in your browser, and you can allow sites to run JS if you trust them.
For IE, you go to Tools - Internet Options - Security, click Custom Level. Scroll down to "Scripting" and under "Active Scripting", choose Disable. Then restart IE.
Thanks. I can do the FF thing at home. I can't change settings on IE on this box. Hell, I can't even change the fucking CLOCK.
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Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:32:47 PM
I know that feeling - my old work laptop required admin access to install Adobe PDF reader.
Same here. :lulz:
NO installs permitted. NONE.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:32:47 PM
I know that feeling - my old work laptop required admin access to install Adobe PDF reader.
Tangent - but Adobe Acrobat Reader is one of the few pieces of software that IT departments are
justified in keeping off of computers. Modern operating systems are secure enough that they're difficult to attack directly, so exploits work against software. That software used to be your web browser, but even those are now secure enough if you keep them up to date (and FF, Chrome, and IE10+ keep themselves up to date, so you have to work to mess that up.)
Now the targets of choice are: 1. Java, 2. Acrobat Reader, and 3. Flash, in that order. All three have the ability to execute arbitrary code against your computer, are widely installed, frequently unpatched, and made by Adobe. Nobody blocks .pdfs on their network, and normal people think of .pdfs as safe, read-only documents, not executables.
There are lots of FOSS .pdf readers out there. They tend not to support all the crazy features of PDF like formulas and executable code, which is a good thing because those give you little benefit for the security hole they are in Acrobat. Chrome also has a perfectly competent pdf reader built in.
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Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
To get past the nannywall, all you need is to turn Javascript off. Both Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy are amazingly, technically incompetent.
Oh, thank you! I was just thwarted by that. I'll go finish reading it.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Yeah, but all the other countries does that shit with their natives, too. The US is now not even really bothering to pretend to use table manners with other nations. It's running down the street with its ass hanging out.
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 02:21:25 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Yeah, but all the other countries does that shit with their natives, too. The US is now not even really bothering to pretend to use table manners with other nations. It's running down the street with its ass hanging out.
Allow me to introduce Mr Phillipine-American War and his associate, Mr Central American Intervention. Mr CAI had a career that spanned a century, and is largely the reason the neighbors hate our stinking guts. His cousin, Mr Forced Land Sales From Mexico, took him into the family business.
Frankly, I think the only difference now is that the rest of the world finds our behavior uncivilized, whereas before it was just regular business.
I'm not disagreeing except in detail. America is the drunk guy who took off all his clothes and is trying to fuck the neighbor's dog. Go home America, you're fucking wasted.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 02:25:55 AM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 02:21:25 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Yeah, but all the other countries does that shit with their natives, too. The US is now not even really bothering to pretend to use table manners with other nations. It's running down the street with its ass hanging out.
Allow me to introduce Mr Phillipine-American War and his associate, Mr Central American Intervention. Mr CAI had a career that spanned a century, and is largely the reason the neighbors hate our stinking guts. His cousin, Mr Forced Land Sales From Mexico, took him into the family business.
Frankly, I think the only difference now is that the rest of the world finds our behavior uncivilized, whereas before it was just regular business.
I'm not disagreeing except in detail. America is the drunk guy who took off all his clothes and is trying to fuck the neighbor's dog. Go home America, you're fucking wasted.
I think I see your point. It's not that America is doing anything different, it's that the whole rest of the world is trying to grow up and America's getting left behind.
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 03:14:37 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 02:25:55 AM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 02:21:25 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Yeah, but all the other countries does that shit with their natives, too. The US is now not even really bothering to pretend to use table manners with other nations. It's running down the street with its ass hanging out.
Allow me to introduce Mr Phillipine-American War and his associate, Mr Central American Intervention. Mr CAI had a career that spanned a century, and is largely the reason the neighbors hate our stinking guts. His cousin, Mr Forced Land Sales From Mexico, took him into the family business.
Frankly, I think the only difference now is that the rest of the world finds our behavior uncivilized, whereas before it was just regular business.
I'm not disagreeing except in detail. America is the drunk guy who took off all his clothes and is trying to fuck the neighbor's dog. Go home America, you're fucking wasted.
I think I see your point. It's not that America is doing anything different, it's that the whole rest of the world is trying to grow up and America's getting left behind.
That's what I'm saying.
Belgians in the Congo, not so long ago, acting like animals. Germany, Japan, everyone.
Now it's just the USA and Britain, who seem to be too confused to do anything else other than follow our lead.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 03:16:41 AM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 03:14:37 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 02:25:55 AM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 02:21:25 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 22, 2013, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 22, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I have the weirdest feeling these days, that the US is just... unravelling.
No, it's more like the USA forgot to put on its make up one day.
Forgot to put on its makeup, started peeping into the neighbor's bedroom windows, took a shit on their lawn, and killed the other neighbor's dog.
We were doing all of that shit long before we were even a nation, the only proof of which I need offer mostly lives in reservations in the Dakotas and Arizona.
We just sorta stopped pretending to be the good guys about the horrible shit we do.
Yeah, but all the other countries does that shit with their natives, too. The US is now not even really bothering to pretend to use table manners with other nations. It's running down the street with its ass hanging out.
Allow me to introduce Mr Phillipine-American War and his associate, Mr Central American Intervention. Mr CAI had a career that spanned a century, and is largely the reason the neighbors hate our stinking guts. His cousin, Mr Forced Land Sales From Mexico, took him into the family business.
Frankly, I think the only difference now is that the rest of the world finds our behavior uncivilized, whereas before it was just regular business.
I'm not disagreeing except in detail. America is the drunk guy who took off all his clothes and is trying to fuck the neighbor's dog. Go home America, you're fucking wasted.
I think I see your point. It's not that America is doing anything different, it's that the whole rest of the world is trying to grow up and America's getting left behind.
That's what I'm saying.
Belgians in the Congo, not so long ago, acting like animals. Germany, Japan, everyone.
Now it's just the USA and Britain, who seem to be too confused to do anything else other than follow our lead.
Well, it's change it up or fall behind. We seem to have latched desperately onto "KEEP DOING IT! IT'S ONLY NOT WORKING ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT HARD ENOUGH, DO IT HARDER!" instead of onto progress.
Such a shame. I liked living in a first-world country with groundbreaking science and a decent standard of living.
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
Well, it's change it up or fall behind. We seem to have latched desperately onto "KEEP DOING IT! IT'S ONLY NOT WORKING ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT HARD ENOUGH, DO IT HARDER!" instead of onto progress.
Such a shame. I liked living in a first-world country with groundbreaking science and a decent standard of living.
Well, with any luck at all, that bullshit attitude will die with the GOP.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 23, 2013, 03:30:26 AM
Quote from: Not Your Nigel on October 23, 2013, 03:28:11 AM
Well, it's change it up or fall behind. We seem to have latched desperately onto "KEEP DOING IT! IT'S ONLY NOT WORKING ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT HARD ENOUGH, DO IT HARDER!" instead of onto progress.
Such a shame. I liked living in a first-world country with groundbreaking science and a decent standard of living.
Well, with any luck at all, that bullshit attitude will die with the GOP.
The current mindset of our Democrat President is not leaving me feeling terribly hopeful.
America is that 35 year old guy who still thinks it's cool to shotgun beers and inevitably tries to trap you into a conversation about "remember when we did (insert not even all that cool high school hijinks here) man, that was so BADASS!" only you were there for that one and not only is it a shit story to begin with but he's getting it totally wrong.
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on October 23, 2013, 05:59:18 AM
America is that 35 year old guy who still thinks it's cool to shotgun beers and inevitably tries to trap you into a conversation about "remember when we did (insert not even all that cool high school hijinks here) man, that was so BADASS!" only you were there for that one and not only is it a shit story to begin with but he's getting it totally wrong.
You just described me, and it looks like I'm even lying about my age now :horrormirth:
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Quote from: Joshua FoustPutting the U.S. at a stark disadvantage compared to its most active rivals and competitors — neither Russia nor China face nearly as much scrutiny in their intelligence activities, for example — is difficult to see as anything other than an attack on the U.S., not a defense of anyone's rights.
Well, it's not like all of my email has been going through Russian or Chinese webmail companies for the last decade, so from a selfish point of view, I just don't care enough about surveillance there.
Maybe we should? Do you think Russian or Chinese surveillance can be a threat to normal people that live outside those countries?
Quote from: Jet City Hustle on October 23, 2013, 05:59:18 AM
America is that 35 year old guy who still thinks it's cool to shotgun beers and inevitably tries to trap you into a conversation about "remember when we did (insert not even all that cool high school hijinks here) man, that was so BADASS!" only you were there for that one and not only is it a shit story to begin with but he's getting it totally wrong.
:lulz: That is alarmingly accurate.
WWII, MAN!
Quote from: Cain on October 23, 2013, 04:58:31 PM
Joshua Foust, everyone's favourite college-dropout and military-industrial complex shill, is crying (https://medium.com/war-is-boring/8b7ef2db8ca2) about the Foreign Affairs article, because it holds the USA to a higher standard than Russia and China. Also something something Greenwald and Snowden are high-tech terrorists something.
So much for American Exceptionalism. More like the Nation of Mediocrity. "Lower the standards far enough, and we're still the best!"
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