One of many problems, actually, that I have with almost any time people start a sentence with "Humans evolved to...", including myself. Seriously, I will punch myself in the face.
HUMANS DIDN'T JUST MAGICALLY STOP EVOLVING 10,000 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE STILL DOING IT. It's an ongoing process.
Anyway. Peeve aired. Carry on.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 29, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
One of many problems, actually, that I have with almost any time people start a sentence with "Humans evolved to...", including myself. Seriously, I will punch myself in the face.
HUMANS DIDN'T JUST MAGICALLY STOP EVOLVING 10,000 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE STILL DOING IT. It's an ongoing process.
Anyway. Peeve aired. Carry on.
I've heard otherwise intelligent people claim that we stopped evolving when we started changing our environment. Which is fucking stupid, because it implies that:
1. The world is static, and
2. The changes we have made (farming, etc) did not ALSO create selective pressures.
Hell, one major evolutionary drive has been the sword. My reach > Yours, I breed, you don't. Not a universal effect, but an effect all the same.
So, yeah. Paleo diet shit is like saying we should go back to running our prey down on the savannah instead of using animal husbandry.
I thought the problem was "IDIOTS NEED A FAD DIET TO TELL THEM TO EAT MORE DAMN FRUITS AND VEGETABLES."
There's just whole libraries filled with information that impedes the natural movement of the mind when it tries to say, "I'll base my current actions off what I THINK* happened to humans thousands of years ago!"
*Or what other people think.
Humans evolved to shit in their hands and draw animals on cave walls.
There is money to be made from that idea, I just haven't worked out the details. :lol:
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 29, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
One of many problems, actually, that I have with almost any time people start a sentence with "Humans evolved to...", including myself. Seriously, I will punch myself in the face.
HUMANS DIDN'T JUST MAGICALLY STOP EVOLVING 10,000 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE STILL DOING IT. It's an ongoing process.
Anyway. Peeve aired. Carry on.
Indeed. Furthermore, much of our digestive ability comes from epigenetic effects, namely, our gut microbiomes. Even /without/ that, lactase production in adults is a relatively recent adaptation. Nomadic herders who had this mutation reproduced more, and thus it became widespread.
If I have one more person tell me that grains are evil and that my diet should consist of artificially constructed food scenarios for 25 thousand year old paleolithic hunter gatherers, I am going to go all Green Revolution on their asses.
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
You also aren't preaching at us that this is how humans are supposed to eat.
Notice the subtle distinction.
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
Your BF and I will pour a 40oz over a curb in memory of those 8 inches.
50% Protein 35% Fat and 15% Carbs is working for me. Found out I was being retarded consuming only 1200 a day. My lean body mass demands 2700 calories. So I went up to 1700 calories a day. Feels good man, and I have more energy even with my multivitamin. For dinner I had a sandwich with 2 slices of munster cheese and 5 slices of hard salami, and 1/4lb of onions and a pickle spear. I regret nothing and I feel great!
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
You also aren't preaching at us that this is how humans are supposed to eat.
Notice the subtle distinction.
No. I'm joining in on the goddamn rant fest though. Because this shit makes me fume.
The first thing people ask me is if I'm eating gluten-free. And when I tell them that I have eliminated wheat, but I am not specifically avoiding gluten (it is, after all, a protein) I get this amazing, poorly researching diatribe on the benefits of going gluten-free rather than the general reduction of all complex carbohydrates. I think Nigel had a gluten-free rant like this a few years ago. You can't just go GF and expect to lose weight. Sure, you're reducing some calories, but hell, sugar is gluten-free. Rice is gluten-free, which gives you all sorts of reasons to still eat like crap when you think you're benefiting yourself by jumping on some bandwagon that only exists because of a serious allergy. Yes, Celiac Sprue does run in my family, I have been tested, but I don't have it.
What I also cannot stand with the "paleo" crowd, is that my recipes are never good enough. Or, anytime I post something about food or discovering a new meal on something like Facebook, I get a barrage of negativity thrown my way. Way too much of, "UR DOING IT WRONG" without any rhyme or reason, and it annoys the shit out of it. I got excited over finding low-carb hot chocolate at the grocery store last week, and I got insulted for even trying it. The community is full of a bunch of self-serving know-it-all's that make Requia look civil.
The bottom line I've discovered, is that if I don't stop through CSAs or WholePaycheck, and spend hundreds on organic non-GMO overpriced kale, I'm just not "paleo enough." This is why I just tell people I'm on a ketogenic diet. It sounds more medical and less "I found this on the internet."
Quote from: Mr. Bear on October 30, 2013, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
Your BF and I will pour a 40oz over a curb in memory of those 8 inches.
You have no idea. :lulz: He went to grab my hips a couple of weeks ago and I thought he was going to start crying. :lulz:
I was unhealthy and unhappy though, and he understands that.
Quote from: Mr. Bear on October 30, 2013, 01:25:12 AM
50% Protein 35% Fat and 15% Carbs is working for me. Found out I was being retarded consuming only 1200 a day. My lean body mass demands 2700 calories. So I went up to 1700 calories a day. Feels good man, and I have more energy even with my multivitamin. For dinner I had a sandwich with 2 slices of munster cheese and 5 slices of hard salami, and 1/4lb of onions and a pickle spear. I regret nothing and I feel great!
I learned that the hard way when I first started. You cannot go BELOW a certain amount of calories a day. Your body won't budge. It took me a bit to get adjusted, but I'm eating more now than I was pre-diet.
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
You also aren't preaching at us that this is how humans are supposed to eat.
Notice the subtle distinction.
No. I'm joining in on the goddamn rant fest though. Because this shit makes me fume.
The first thing people ask me is if I'm eating gluten-free. And when I tell them that I have eliminated wheat, but I am not specifically avoiding gluten (it is, after all, a protein) I get this amazing, poorly researching diatribe on the benefits of going gluten-free rather than the general reduction of all complex carbohydrates. I think Nigel had a gluten-free rant like this a few years ago. You can't just go GF and expect to lose weight. Sure, you're reducing some calories, but hell, sugar is gluten-free. Rice is gluten-free, which gives you all sorts of reasons to still eat like crap when you think you're benefiting yourself by jumping on some bandwagon that only exists because of a serious allergy. Yes, Celiac Sprue does run in my family, I have been tested, but I don't have it.
What I also cannot stand with the "paleo" crowd, is that my recipes are never good enough. Or, anytime I post something about food or discovering a new meal on something like Facebook, I get a barrage of negativity thrown my way. Way too much of, "UR DOING IT WRONG" without any rhyme or reason, and it annoys the shit out of it. I got excited over finding low-carb hot chocolate at the grocery store last week, and I got insulted for even trying it. The community is full of a bunch of self-serving know-it-all's that make Requia look civil.
The bottom line I've discovered, is that if I don't stop through CSAs or WholePaycheck, and spend hundreds on organic non-GMO overpriced kale, I'm just not "paleo enough." This is why I just tell people I'm on a ketogenic diet. It sounds more medical and less "I found this on the internet."
THIS! SHIT IN THEIR MOUTH!
Basically I avoid cooking with anything with MSG and HFC. My brother has lost 20lbs , and Binks is getting toned just by me cooking for them. They're debating do they like my Cheese Burger soup, or Supreme Pizza Soup more. I'm not going to spend $4/lb for Organic potatoes.
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
You also aren't preaching at us that this is how humans are supposed to eat.
Notice the subtle distinction.
No. I'm joining in on the goddamn rant fest though. Because this shit makes me fume.
The first thing people ask me is if I'm eating gluten-free. And when I tell them that I have eliminated wheat, but I am not specifically avoiding gluten (it is, after all, a protein) I get this amazing, poorly researching diatribe on the benefits of going gluten-free rather than the general reduction of all complex carbohydrates. I think Nigel had a gluten-free rant like this a few years ago. You can't just go GF and expect to lose weight. Sure, you're reducing some calories, but hell, sugar is gluten-free. Rice is gluten-free, which gives you all sorts of reasons to still eat like crap when you think you're benefiting yourself by jumping on some bandwagon that only exists because of a serious allergy. Yes, Celiac Sprue does run in my family, I have been tested, but I don't have it.
What I also cannot stand with the "paleo" crowd, is that my recipes are never good enough. Or, anytime I post something about food or discovering a new meal on something like Facebook, I get a barrage of negativity thrown my way. Way too much of, "UR DOING IT WRONG" without any rhyme or reason, and it annoys the shit out of it. I got excited over finding low-carb hot chocolate at the grocery store last week, and I got insulted for even trying it. The community is full of a bunch of self-serving know-it-all's that make Requia look civil.
The bottom line I've discovered, is that if I don't stop through CSAs or WholePaycheck, and spend hundreds on organic non-GMO overpriced kale, I'm just not "paleo enough." This is why I just tell people I'm on a ketogenic diet. It sounds more medical and less "I found this on the internet."
Point me at these threads. I have urges.
The point's been hit already: stop eating stupid amounts of salty carb snacks. Watch what you put in your face. Roger summed as much up in the Recipes forum, and with a balance of foods that won't turn your torso into roiling hatred.
Didn't mention that did they?
Paleo will fuck with your guts. Your intestines will be trolled. You will take some truly messed up dumps. Not car tire material like the "Cleanse" products claim to make you - just meatshit power deuce that would make a snake jealous.
It's OK. REALLY. Eat more oranges.
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
Where did I say anything about low carb dieting? I don't see that anywhere in my OP.
It was implied if one read with a bias. Please don't take it personally
To insert another problem, I've got a problem with sodium. Which really sucks when you're using g asian and Mediterranean foods to cut fats.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 02:58:03 AM
It was implied if one read with a bias. Please don't take it personally
To insert another problem, I've got a problem with sodium. Which really sucks when you're using g asian and Mediterranean foods to cut fats.
You should try my current diet. It's very good for you.
IT'S VERY GOOD FOR ME.
I'M TOLD.
Have you researched severL studies?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 01:38:41 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: Suu on October 30, 2013, 12:41:18 AM
I'm on a low-carb paleoish diet because I wanted to. I had a carb-heavy lifestyle and I was getting too close to 200lbs for my comfort.
I'm not doing it because of a fad, I'm doing it to lose fucking weight, damnit. And I can't stand it when I get the preachy types trying to alter what is currently working for me. No, leave me alone. I'm losing. My ass is 8" smaller than it was on Memorial Day. I'm back in size 12's for the first time since 2009. I'm working my ass off to do this. I don't care about evolution, or what we should or should not be eating, all I know is that this is what is good for me right now.
...I especially can't stand the Gluten-Free Mafia.
You also aren't preaching at us that this is how humans are supposed to eat.
Notice the subtle distinction.
No. I'm joining in on the goddamn rant fest though. Because this shit makes me fume.
The first thing people ask me is if I'm eating gluten-free. And when I tell them that I have eliminated wheat, but I am not specifically avoiding gluten (it is, after all, a protein) I get this amazing, poorly researching diatribe on the benefits of going gluten-free rather than the general reduction of all complex carbohydrates. I think Nigel had a gluten-free rant like this a few years ago. You can't just go GF and expect to lose weight. Sure, you're reducing some calories, but hell, sugar is gluten-free. Rice is gluten-free, which gives you all sorts of reasons to still eat like crap when you think you're benefiting yourself by jumping on some bandwagon that only exists because of a serious allergy. Yes, Celiac Sprue does run in my family, I have been tested, but I don't have it.
What I also cannot stand with the "paleo" crowd, is that my recipes are never good enough. Or, anytime I post something about food or discovering a new meal on something like Facebook, I get a barrage of negativity thrown my way. Way too much of, "UR DOING IT WRONG" without any rhyme or reason, and it annoys the shit out of it. I got excited over finding low-carb hot chocolate at the grocery store last week, and I got insulted for even trying it. The community is full of a bunch of self-serving know-it-all's that make Requia look civil.
The bottom line I've discovered, is that if I don't stop through CSAs or WholePaycheck, and spend hundreds on organic non-GMO overpriced kale, I'm just not "paleo enough." This is why I just tell people I'm on a ketogenic diet. It sounds more medical and less "I found this on the internet."
Point me at these threads. I have urges.
As soon as the next one comes up, I'll let you know. :evil:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 03:06:26 AM
Have you researched severL studies?
I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT.
I WANT REAL FOOD. JUST SOME REAL FOOD. JUST A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE SOME GRUEL OR SOMETHING. NOT MUCH.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 02:58:03 AM
It was implied if one read with a bias. Please don't take it personally
To insert another problem, I've got a problem with sodium. Which really sucks when you're using g asian and Mediterranean foods to cut fats.
Yeah, being middle-aged with hypertension is a total shithole. Hate it.
This thread, BTW, was inspired by one on the "science" forums, where everyone apparently hates science. Seriously, that place.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 30, 2013, 03:02:53 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 30, 2013, 02:58:03 AM
It was implied if one read with a bias. Please don't take it personally
To insert another problem, I've got a problem with sodium. Which really sucks when you're using g asian and Mediterranean foods to cut fats.
You should try my current diet. It's very good for you.
IT'S VERY GOOD FOR ME.
I'M TOLD.
It makes me cranky and I'm not even on it.
The gluten-free thing pisses me off and it pisses me off even more because I actually do have some kind of problem with wheat, which makes me angry and I don't even want to admit it.
It's not fucking GLUTEN though.
I hate gluten free because if someone asks for gluten free rolls with their soup, I have to run my ass to the other end of the store, into the freezer, dig around to find a packet of two, bring them back, defrost them, then prepare the soup. During this time the rest of the food queue will have piled up and I'll be crushed to death by a teetering tower of cheese and ham toasted sandwiches.
Then the bastards complain that the roll is warm.
I fully agree that the reasoning (some might say 'propaganda' or even 'incompetent mix of sciencey-sounding things and wishful thinking') behind the Paleo DietTM is suspect, for several reasons.
1. The primate-microbial symbiotic congolmerates we are in the habit of glossing as humans have evolved, the ability to digest lactose, for instance, is now thought to have arisen on two distinct occasions,
2. Even on the basis of the rather indecisive knowledge we have of it, the actual paleo diet was probably quite different from what they are pushing, also, it is likely to have been quite varied (I would love to see a show in which Paleo fans are subjected to actual paleolithic meals).
3. Humans and their gut flora vary so much that it is extremely unlikely that 'one size fits all' would apply.
On the other hand...
Given that roughly ten thousand years have passed (about 50 generations, I guess), we can't have evolved all that much (I mean the primate bits, of course the microbial component is capable of evolving much faster), and with the advance of cultural evolution, the selective pressures on humans have changed quite radically, in general character. I would say that the average modern diet is actually quite a strong selective pressure on us: if you survive that, you survive most anything :)
And whenever I manage to resist my addiction to the sweet stuff for just a week or so and stay on a paleoish diet (largely vegetables and animal protein, minimal carbs, those with low glycaemic index), I begin to feel great, particularly in the gut area.
Best diet advice I've seen:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)
The main problem with the "paleo diet" in my mind is the same problem shared by all diets - if one's goto source of reward nuerotransmitters comes from eating, the solution is not to sit on ones fat ass and obsess over food.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 30, 2013, 02:30:59 PM
The main problem with the "paleo diet" in my mind is the same problem shared by all diets - if one's goto source of reward nuerotransmitters comes from eating, the solution is not to sit on ones fat ass and obsess over food.
That's certainly true and very near the root of the matter. But it seems that a large number of people are stuck with exactly that: using food as the goto or main source for pleasure obsessively, unhappy about it but unable to stop. Telling them to just quit may not be very effective: it may reinforce an existing inferiority complex and make it even harder to quit. What's more, it seems quite clear to me that in some cases (I'd say most cases, actually), the bizarre and self-harming relationship with food was acquired at a very early age and hence it was practically hardwired into a developing brain, so it is very difficult to shake (not impossible, thankfully, because very few things are 'hard' hardwired into human brains by social experience).
Also, a fucked up digestive system that responds poorly and unpredictably to a great number of things is also often a carry-over from childhood: antibiotics and bizarre child-feeding fads, mostly. Something that does need to be sorted out if a stable and reasonable relationship with food is to be achieved.
So those people (and I certainly include myself in their number) need workarounds. The diets that are not primarily about weight-loss but about restoring gut flora and not eating crap that is just unfit for human consumption are (or can be, if applied correctly) one such workaround. Fasting is another one, an excellent one in my experience. Extended walking tours while fasting I've also tried, and it is even better. 'Cold thermogeneration' may also be one such hack, though I haven't tried it. Yet.
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2013, 06:24:31 AM
Given that roughly ten thousand years have passed (about 50 generations, I guess), we can't have evolved all that much
50 generations? I think you're missing a zero.
Anyway, since this thread is now apparently about losing weight, never mind.
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: holist on October 30, 2013, 06:24:31 AM
Given that roughly ten thousand years have passed (about 50 generations, I guess), we can't have evolved all that much
50 generations? I think you're missing a zero.
Of course I am. Sorry! And thanks for pointing it out.
So, not sure if off-topic, but are bizarre diet cults part of the Strange Times thing? People are so utterly confused by the idea that maybe their dietary needs are different from someone else's and they can't cope so they retreat into wacky things based on appeals to authority, and then preach it from the mountain tops because at least here's something I can wrap my head around in this sea of weird shit?
Hmmm, I'd put odds on that.... :evil:
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 30, 2013, 05:41:12 PM
Anyway, since this thread is now apparently about losing weight Suu, never mind.
FTFY.
One thing peleo types are good for is spreading the word that animal fat>veggie fat.
Unfortunately, people will likely reject that fact along with the other bullshit, or something
Quote from: Alty on October 31, 2013, 01:01:38 AM
One thing peleo types are good for is spreading the word that animal fat>veggie fat.
Unfortunately, people will likely reject that fact along with the other bullshit, or something
Sally Fallon was circulating that information before the Paleo thing took off, anyway:
http://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Traditions-Challenges-Politically-Dictocrats/dp/0967089735
I get tired of hearing from the Sally Fallon fanatics just as much as I get tired of any other fanatics, but overall she seems pretty reasonable and grounded in reality.
Also this widely-ignored classic: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0916764087/
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 31, 2013, 04:19:59 AM
Also this widely-ignored classic: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0916764087/
Oh yeah, that's a great damned book. I've got it staring at me from my desk this moment.
Quote from: Alty on October 31, 2013, 04:29:53 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Nigelson on October 31, 2013, 04:19:59 AM
Also this widely-ignored classic: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0916764087/
Oh yeah, that's a great damned book. I've got it staring at me from my desk this moment.
I have only thumbed through it. And will probably never read it. But it seems full of good research.
What triggers these retarded fads? I understand people feeling alive discovering new foods. But what gives fuel to people live off lemon juice,chili powder, fiber tablets, or noni juice?
I remember people were going apeshit over grapefruits.
Also I feel sorry for anyone who's allergic to corn.
Quote from: Mr. Bear on October 31, 2013, 10:29:56 PM
What triggers these retarded fads? I understand people feeling alive discovering new foods. But what gives fuel to people live off lemon juice,chili powder, fiber tablets, or noni juice?
They want to sit on their fat asses on the sofa and look like Brad Pitt. The fact that they're dumb enough to believe that's even possible makes them highly susceptible to fad-marketing.
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
Bullshit! Paleo-humans phoned Pizza Hut, just like the rest of us :argh!:
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 09:59:31 AM
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
People in 400,000 BC didn't have time for fad diets. They were too busy trying to eat anything edible to avoid starving to death and running for their lives from saber cats, giant sloths, and dire wolves.
Quote from: Kai on November 01, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 09:59:31 AM
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
People in 400,000 BC didn't have time for fad diets. They were too busy trying to eat anything edible to avoid starving to death and running for their lives from saber cats, giant sloths, and dire wolves.
Purplebug pretty fast. Ug eat lot of purplebug. Ug only one of clan not eat by toothy-cat.
Purplebug make you fast. It science.
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on November 01, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 09:59:31 AM
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
People in 400,000 BC didn't have time for fad diets. They were too busy trying to eat anything edible to avoid starving to death and running for their lives from saber cats, giant sloths, and dire wolves.
Purplebug pretty fast. Ug eat lot of purplebug. Ug only one of clan not eat by toothy-cat.
Purplebug make you fast. It science.
Correlation not same as causation. Ug fucking stupid :argh!:
My people were plentiful. Mauling and tearing people apart.
Quote from: Mr. Bear on November 02, 2013, 08:14:13 AM
My people were plentiful. Mauling and tearing people apart.
Not enough of them though, by the looks of it.
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on November 01, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 09:59:31 AM
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
People in 400,000 BC didn't have time for fad diets. They were too busy trying to eat anything edible to avoid starving to death and running for their lives from saber cats, giant sloths, and dire wolves.
Purplebug pretty fast. Ug eat lot of purplebug. Ug only one of clan not eat by toothy-cat.
Purplebug make you fast. It science.
Horrorology does not require that a theory be correct, or even fit all the KNOWN facts. It just requires that the theory WORK, for any reason at all.
Ug was crawling through the bushes after purplebug when the sabertooth attacked his pals. Ug was not eaten, because he eats purplebug.
There are no contradictions OR coincidences,
anywhere. Just weird-looking causal loops that form when SCIENCE smacks up against THE GODS, and neither one has their insurance cards on them, like they're supposed to.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 03, 2013, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Kai on November 01, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Emo Howard on November 01, 2013, 09:59:31 AM
I wonder if Paleo-humans had fad diets. In 400,000 BC were sun-dried purple bugs all the rage? Did cooking food with fire start out as a fad diet?
For that matter, were there cave-Ron Popiels traveling from cave to cave trading skins for the latest hide-scraping, spear-sharpening, berry-smashing multi-tool?
People in 400,000 BC didn't have time for fad diets. They were too busy trying to eat anything edible to avoid starving to death and running for their lives from saber cats, giant sloths, and dire wolves.
Purplebug pretty fast. Ug eat lot of purplebug. Ug only one of clan not eat by toothy-cat.
Purplebug make you fast. It science.
Horrorology does not require that a theory be correct, or even fit all the KNOWN facts. It just requires that the theory WORK, for any reason at all.
Ug was crawling through the bushes after purplebug when the sabertooth attacked his pals. Ug was not eaten, because he eats purplebug.
There are no contradictions OR coincidences, anywhere. Just weird-looking causal loops that form when SCIENCE smacks up against THE GODS, and neither one has their insurance cards on them, like they're supposed to.
So while foraging in the underbrush, they are at less risk of being attacked by sabretooth cats, but increased risk of being attacked by a swarm of sabertooth hornets.
Much like people on the paleo diet are eating healthier, because fresh vegetables, not pseudo-scientific woo, but they die out because nobody wants to breed with someone who smells like Brussels sprouts.