So, I don't know if you actually intend to read the Atheists and White Supremacists thread. But if you do, I think you'll find what I found, which is that Coyote shat all the fuck over me, and over Roger (he did more shitting on Roger in Open Bar) and that I didn't shit back. Nor did Roger. I am not at all clear on how or why it is that you have concluded that he is somehow the poor, beleaguered victim in need of your support. I have no idea what's wrong with him but as far as I can tell he just comes across as a mean fucking drunk.
I don't know why you're insistent on blaming me or Roger for Coyote's meltdown. Whatever it is, is HIS problem, and HIS bad behavior. Nobody else caused it. Nobody he targets with this kind of abusive venom deserves to be told that they should kiss and make up.
This is abusive:
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 23, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Fuck this place.
I don't even remember if spine out against peny being an edgy ass for the billionth time in a way pissed Nigel off.
so fuck you and Nigel
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 23, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
the fuck ever. I'm too d fucking pissed to go fucking digging for the thread Whet pent fucking acts like an ass towards the religious and people did or did nor jumo all over his ass for it. Evidently that thread is being used to talk shit about atheists being pissed about Nigel' s sweeping inclusion of atheists with white supremacists. not even that we are terrible people but that we are people that aren't of much account huddled up to attack members Oahe of our tribe or some other bullshit.
so I'm fucking done with you and Nigel.
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 24, 2013, 04:48:38 AM
well you have certainly shown me the errors of my sinful ways.
nope
get fucked Nigel.
you chose to make a point in deliberately trollish wau and while I acknowledge the validity of your point you have lost my respect. not that anyone actually gives a shit about my opinion or input or contributions here.
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 24, 2013, 05:35:26 AM
seriously get fucked. I had no fucking vine in this weird ass beef you have with atheists the because fucking white boy pent shat all over religious folk. I defined myself as an atheist because I didn't give a fuck about the existence of a fucking diety, but evidently this is a fucking "check your fucking privledge white boy" moment. Thank you fucking condescending wannabe mother figure. I fucking had this sneaking suspicion that was the root of your fucking issue. could you care to enlighten this poor ignorant white boy about how his fucking white privledge had some how blinded gin to the wondrous fucking position of privledge he had gained by rejecting the validity that he needs to pay homage to a fucking diety that regardless of its existence doesn't fucking matter to him?
I was fucking super religious, until I left basic. Then I had a very very fucking brief religion is stupid phase that lasted die maybe a year. Now I just don't fucking care.
Funny fucking thing two fucking days ago I publicly coving my support to a friend of mine regarding her faith and my vehement disdain for Atheists, and constantly point all the fucking awesome shit we have because certain religious faiths placed knowledge of the natural world on a pat with seeking the knowledge of the divine because they saw no difference between the two.
but because I don't fucking brag about how often I defend religion in my day to day life from Jack ass Atheists and don't fucking chew out the fucking jackass behavior of pent I am evidently the sane class as white supremacists.
shit maybe I should have been talking shit to twid for gigs spiritual exploration, or rofer die fits fucking sermons, or you for whatever Tybee duck thing your Jahr recently dinner towards some shrine.
that is why I am pissed. not because I have suddenly had my white cishet male privledge shoved in my face.
I've gotten shit from my family for not being Catholic so fuck off.
I've been dealing with a whole other level of shit beyond my bitching about school so again fuck off with your weird fucking agenda
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 24, 2013, 06:45:47 AM
and then being told I have a position of privledge or have to have one in order to say "hey I don't worship gods" and then to have roger invalidate my fucking rage Obert this shit because I didn't get his back on pent being a dick about religion.
that is is also why I am furious.
I evidently only matter in so far as I support and defend certain people here and only if I always do so.
because it's not life I haven't ripped into people for being shits before. But I guess it only matters if its special topics.
I've been so furious I almost cut class because I am shaking with rage. This is the kind of rage that were those two assholes members of my family i would have cut ties with them after screaming at them until my throat bled.
so fuck them
I've been having a shitty quarter already. I don't need some selectively moralistic shits call me I am a fucking nazi for not kowtowing to invisible sky dudes.
It's not life I already hate myself for being tpo cowardly to be combat arms and for even being a member of the fucking us military who may have probably had a hand in killing hundreds of people simply by doing his job.
I don't need some fucking whit privilege giilt trip fire being an atheist.
or withdrawal it make you fucks happy if I just stopped posting here for f I bkung 3v er.
becaue evidently what little content I have provided, directly to riger, us just not enough. u need to do when he wants it and gods ducky forbid I fucking write a paper instead of coming up with clever insults or goi g trolling. or whatever the dunk else us what he wants.
He didn't even read the fucking thread. He doesn't give a fuck what my intentions were, or what I meant. He just wants to tell me I'm a "fucking moralistic shit" and that I can fuck off.
I wouldn't put up with this kind of abusive treatment from ANYONE, and I don't give a fuck whether he's going through rough times or whether he's your friend. Don't stand on your head to apologize for him, or stir shit by texting him that people are
being mean to him on Peedee by referencing the fact that he told them repeatedly and incoherently to fuck themselves.
So he has problems. He has PTSD. Is there something that makes his PTSD trump mine? He can do what I did, which is get therapy. And while he's at it he should consider getting his drunk, abusive ass under control.
For the record, I had not actually read most of his posts in that thread until I went in and quoted them just now. I put him on ignore as soon as I saw the rage and abusive bullshit he was posting.
I do intend to read them, not at this moment though, as I'm still doing school work.
OK well yeah. You certainly seemed to come up with spare time to agonize over how cruel we were being to poor Coyote last night, despite that.
Just FYI, I am more than a little bit triggered by being told I'm responsible for a man's abusive meltdown.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 16, 2013, 06:15:37 AM
OK well yeah. You certainly seemed to come up with spare time to agonize over how cruel we were being to poor Coyote last night, despite that.
Just FYI, I am more than a little bit triggered by being told I'm responsible for a man's abusive meltdown.
Not ant/agonizing anyone, but I comported myself like such the boar tonight, because, you know, I'm so special... And, fuck the police, hail Mary, every one.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 16, 2013, 06:15:37 AM
OK well yeah. You certainly seemed to come up with spare time to agonize over how cruel we were being to poor Coyote last night, despite that.
Just FYI, I am more than a little bit triggered by being told I'm responsible for a man's abusive meltdown.
My finals start today. Last night i was out of time. Theres not really a whole lot i could do about that.
Anyway i apologise for suggesting in anyway that you were responsible.
Ok, that was... that made my head hurt all over again. That's not an easy thread to follow.
So, ok, Nigel, I see that I did apologize to you about the suggesting that you were responsible for Coyote's melt down above this post. There's another thought rattling around in my head, but I'm having trouble catching it. He did get unreasonable amounts of angry within that thread, a fact that he himself even seems to admit to. I think that I didn't realize how angry he sounded within the context of that thread because a lot of people were pissed at you in that thread.
He and the others didn't deserve the sexist comment, and I think that that latched subconsciously into the whole thought of him being treated unfairly. Of course because of the falling out between him and you and Roger that feeling that he was being treated unfairly, and any time that he would be mentioned or whatever, that feeling would get repeated. You and Roger are entitled to feel about him however you wish, and vice versa, and I'm sorry that my feelings of friendship for him spurred me to dredge up an otherwise finished argument over a passing reference.
As for the pattern that I see, it is a different one that you see, and I think a more accurate one, since I haven't otherwise harbored any ill-feeling towards you or Roger. And the pattern that I see, is the sentiment of "Not another one..." of course, none of that is either yours or Roger's fault either.
So, there it is. I'm still quite sleep deprived and have about as heavy of a mental fog that still permits a statement as coherent as this, so I may have forgotten a something or other somewhere along the line. But if you consider the matter closed, then I extend my full apologies for you to accept or reject.
And to Roger as well, but as far as I can tell the matter is settled with him still. Unless I missed something. Which I may well have. Alright I'm going to stop babbling now.
Well, here's my basic problems with this and a lot of other issues.
1. Given a lack of evidence otherwise, Nigel & Roger are presumed guilty as the default condition. A condition that implies Nigel & Roger might NOT be the at-fault parties requires careful study, because Roger & Nigel were born guilty.
2. When evidence is presented that DOES imply that Nigel & Roger might not be guilty, there's no time for it, though there was time for 5 pages of bullshit in the first place.
3. If you are attacked in a thread and defend yourself, the other guy is "solid" and you are "whining about your fee-fees".
I have accepted your apology. I wouldn't be so butthurt again if you hadn't AGAIN said that the situation required study even when the evidence is presented directly to you.
I'm also sick & fucking tired of being told that responding to an unfair set of accusations is "cassowary enemas" or some such bullshit.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:09:39 AM
Well, here's my basic problems with this and a lot of other issues.
1. Given a lack of evidence otherwise, Nigel & Roger are presumed guilty as the default condition. A condition that implies Nigel & Roger might NOT be the at-fault parties requires careful study, because Roger & Nigel were born guilty.
2. When evidence is presented that DOES imply that Nigel & Roger might not be guilty, there's no time for it, though there was time for 5 pages of bullshit in the first place.
3. If you are attacked in a thread and defend yourself, the other guy is "solid" and you are "whining about your fee-fees".
I have accepted your apology. I wouldn't be so butthurt again if you hadn't AGAIN said that the situation required study even when the evidence is presented directly to you.
I'm also sick & fucking tired of being told that responding to an unfair set of accusations is "cassowary enemas" or some such bullshit.
Well, in response to that, my bullshit started on Friday night, and my assumption was that I was basically going to spend the remainder of the weekend studying. I came back to the topic because you contacted me on Facebook. I only checked Facebook because I heard it beep. I really didn't have much time for it and did take time out of my studying to address it.
AS far as getting back to it after I read the entire thread, it was important to me to completely understand what happened, as much as possible at any rate, so that I could understand what I was actually apologizing for. I believe that I had apologized for other things too, and in reference to the posts quoted in open bar.
Also, I'm not exactly sure what's up with the cassowary thing either. I was a jackass, you guys got pissed.
Also, I have no idea what a cassowary is, so I'm going to have to google that.
Google it and then imagine someone giving you one of those as an enema.
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 01:20:03 AM
Google it and then imagine someone giving you one of those as an enema.
WHAT.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:18:58 AM
Also, I'm not exactly sure what's up with the cassowary thing either.
It is essential that people be belittled during these sorts of things, you see. It makes things all better.
The point is, the idea that Nigel & I - or anyone else - is guilty until proven innocent/at fault until you study the situation, is offensive as hell. It says that we aren't actually people. Less than 1st class citizens.
Doesn't matter who the fuck is doing it.
It's the real reason I hate Coyote's stinking fucking guts. It's the reason I hate Captain Utopia, Lumberjim, the fuckwad over at FG, Khara, and that shitsack Charley. I DO consider them all the same, because the behavior they have presented is all the fucking same:
1. Get drunk.
2. Screech incoherently about what a shit I am/Nigel is/both.
3. Flounce. Sort of.
4. Come back and do it some more.
5. Repeat steps 3 & 4 until liver failure ensues.
You haven't done this, by the way. But it's pretty much a major slam when someone else does, and the automatic assumption is that I'm at fault unless I can prove that I am not at fault. Then it's a major chore to look at the horrible fucking alcoholic punk that DID start the shit.
You know, the "solid dude". The fucked up, wet-brained drunken shitbag that "always knew I was a shithead".
Fuck him. In the heart.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Something that I felt only applied in this situation. It's not a thing where it's a born guilty thing.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:27:44 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:18:58 AM
Also, I'm not exactly sure what's up with the cassowary thing either.
It is essential that people be belittled during these sorts of things, you see. It makes things all better.
The point is, the idea that Nigel & I - or anyone else - is guilty until proven innocent/at fault until you study the situation, is offensive as hell. It says that we aren't actually people. Less than 1st class citizens.
Doesn't matter who the fuck is doing it.
It's the real reason I hate Coyote's stinking fucking guts. It's the reason I hate Captain Utopia, Lumberjim, the fuckwad over at FG, Khara, and that shitsack Charley. I DO consider them all the same, because the behavior they have presented is all the fucking same:
1. Get drunk.
2. Screech incoherently about what a shit I am/Nigel is/both.
3. Flounce. Sort of.
4. Come back and do it some more.
5. Repeat steps 3 & 4 until liver failure ensues.
You haven't done this, by the way. But it's pretty much a major slam when someone else does, and the automatic assumption is that I'm at fault unless I can prove that I am not at fault. Then it's a major chore to look at the horrible fucking alcoholic punk that DID start the shit.
You know, the "solid dude". The fucked up, wet-brained drunken shitbag that "always knew I was a shithead".
Fuck him. In the heart.
Makes sense.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:32:29 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Something that I felt only applied in this situation. It's not a thing where it's a born guilty thing.
You didn't know what was going on, but "we" were being unfair. NIGEL HADN'T EVEN SAID ANYTHING. We were guilty when you didn't even know what had happened. How is this different from what the fuck I've been talking about?
"I only mugged one old lady, your honor. It's not like I made a habit of it."
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:35:35 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:32:29 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Something that I felt only applied in this situation. It's not a thing where it's a born guilty thing.
You didn't know what was going on, but "we" were being unfair. NIGEL HADN'T EVEN SAID ANYTHING. We were guilty when you didn't even know what had happened. How is this different from what the fuck I've been talking about?
"I only mugged one old lady, your honor. It's not like I made a habit of it."
In other words, I felt you were treating all the angry atheists unfairly by suggesting that they were sexist. That idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry. Thought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up. It's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
In other words, I felt you were treating all the angry atheists unfairly by suggesting that they were sexist.
The thread in question called off two varieties of atheists. "Atheists" and "atheists". A clear distinction was made. Now, if you are claiming that there is no problem with misogyny in the Atheist community, I will be more than happy to demonstrate otherwise.
QuoteThat idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry.
So, wait. My motives are determined by whether or not a drunken fucktard stays mad? REALLY?
QuoteThought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up.
DONE HERE.
QuoteIt's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
No text.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:47:01 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
In other words, I felt you were treating all the angry atheists unfairly by suggesting that they were sexist.
The thread in question called off two varieties of atheists. "Atheists" and "atheists". A clear distinction was made. Now, if you are claiming that there is no problem with misogyny in the Atheist community, I will be more than happy to demonstrate otherwise.
QuoteThat idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry.
So, wait. My motives are determined by whether or not a drunken fucktard stays mad? REALLY?
QuoteThought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up.
DONE HERE.
QuoteIt's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
No text.
No. Ugh. Dude, I'm having a lot of trouble organizing my thoughts. I'm having trouble understanding what is being said. Give me a moment.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:47:01 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
In other words, I felt you were treating all the angry atheists unfairly by suggesting that they were sexist.
The thread in question called off two varieties of atheists. "Atheists" and "atheists". A clear distinction was made. Now, if you are claiming that there is no problem with misogyny in the Atheist community, I will be more than happy to demonstrate otherwise.
The atheists in question that I'm referring to here were the ones in the thread, not the larger community of Atheists who do have a problem with misogyny. What I'm talking about here was the implication that Nigel wasn't being listened to because she was a woman.
QuoteQuoteThat idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry.
So, wait. My motives are determined by whether or not a drunken fucktard stays mad? REALLY?
[/quote]
It was not apparent to me that he was drunk when he was posting that. Indeed, seeing them out of context, and then putting them back into context show how unreasonable his statements were.
QuoteQuoteThought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up.
DONE HERE.
Why? I admitted I was incorrect.
QuoteQuoteIt's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
No text.
[/quote]
Yeah, I figured that it was more or less a mistake to try and handle this right now, but I really didn't want to put it off any further.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:59:52 AM
QuoteQuoteThought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up.
DONE HERE.
Why? I admitted I was incorrect.
Read the sentence you wrote again.
QuoteQuoteThat idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry.
So, wait. My motives are determined by whether or not a drunken fucktard stays mad? REALLY?
Why would your motives be determined by whether or not Coyote stays mad, since he more or less flounced afterward? I'm talking about the misogyny thing. What am I missing?
QuoteQuoteThought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up.
DONE HERE.
I'm pretty sure a huge part of this shitstorm was my sentiment that I don't like what went down with Coyote.
QuoteIt's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
No text.
[/quote]
If the posts are shown to be hostile on a second showing, shouldn't I take another closer look at them in context to see why I didn't see them as that hostile while it was all happening and where I started operating on bad signal?
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 02:18:57 AM
If the posts are shown to be hostile on a second showing, shouldn't I take another closer look at them in context to see why I didn't see them as that hostile while it was all happening and where I started operating on bad signal?
From Roger's Ironclad Rules for Thinking for Yourself:
"It is dangerous to operate on incomplete information unless you are on fire."
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 02:20:16 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 02:18:57 AM
If the posts are shown to be hostile on a second showing, shouldn't I take another closer look at them in context to see why I didn't see them as that hostile while it was all happening and where I started operating on bad signal?
From Roger's Ironclad Rules for Thinking for Yourself:
"It is dangerous to operate on incomplete information unless you are on fire."
Indeed.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:59:52 AM
It was not apparent to me that he was drunk when he was posting that. Indeed, seeing them out of context, and then putting them back into context show how unreasonable his statements were.
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 23, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Fuck this place.
I don't even remember if spine out against peny being an edgy ass for the billionth time in a way pissed Nigel off.
so fuck you and Nigel
:? :? :?
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 17, 2013, 03:01:13 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:59:52 AM
It was not apparent to me that he was drunk when he was posting that. Indeed, seeing them out of context, and then putting them back into context show how unreasonable his statements were.
Quote from: Don Flouncote on October 23, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Fuck this place.
I don't even remember if spine out against peny being an edgy ass for the billionth time in a way pissed Nigel off.
so fuck you and Nigel
:? :? :?
Phone. I have the same problems. Though rereading that, I still have no idea what it means.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
Does this somehow make sense to you? You latched onto the idea that we were treating him unfairly, yet somehow that isn't a default position of guilt? :?
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:27:44 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:18:58 AM
Also, I'm not exactly sure what's up with the cassowary thing either.
It is essential that people be belittled during these sorts of things, you see. It makes things all better.
The point is, the idea that Nigel & I - or anyone else - is guilty until proven innocent/at fault until you study the situation, is offensive as hell. It says that we aren't actually people. Less than 1st class citizens.
Doesn't matter who the fuck is doing it.
It's the real reason I hate Coyote's stinking fucking guts. It's the reason I hate Captain Utopia, Lumberjim, the fuckwad over at FG, Khara, and that shitsack Charley. I DO consider them all the same, because the behavior they have presented is all the fucking same:
1. Get drunk.
2. Screech incoherently about what a shit I am/Nigel is/both.
3. Flounce. Sort of.
4. Come back and do it some more.
5. Repeat steps 3 & 4 until liver failure ensues.
You haven't done this, by the way. But it's pretty much a major slam when someone else does, and the automatic assumption is that I'm at fault unless I can prove that I am not at fault. Then it's a major chore to look at the horrible fucking alcoholic punk that DID start the shit.
You know, the "solid dude". The fucked up, wet-brained drunken shitbag that "always knew I was a shithead".
Fuck him. In the heart.
Pretty much this.
The thing about drunks is, they don't make any sense, and they aren't really capable of analyzing their own actions and responses because they don't spend enough time outside of the irrational drunk state to be able to do so. I strongly suspect from Coyote's irrational overreactions and lack of coherent follow-through that that's what's going on with him.
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:32:29 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on December 17, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Something that I felt only applied in this situation. It's not a thing where it's a born guilty thing.
Oh, just "something".
Some vague thing. No real idea, really.
Ok then.
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Also, RE: the you and Nigel thing, as I had said I had only latched on to the idea that you were treating him unfairly. That's not a default position of guilt, it was in regards to him. I believe I expressed that in my response.
THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS IT?
Something that I felt only applied in this situation. It's not a thing where it's a born guilty thing.
You didn't know what was going on, but "we" were being unfair. NIGEL HADN'T EVEN SAID ANYTHING. We were guilty when you didn't even know what had happened. How is this different from what the fuck I've been talking about?
"I only mugged one old lady, your honor. It's not like I made a habit of it."
In other words, I felt you were treating all the angry atheists unfairly by suggesting that they were sexist. That idea gets attached specifically to Coyote because people like Hoopla and Vex stop being angry. Coyote's still angry. Thought of Coyote being treated unfairly persists whenever he's brought up. It's shown that his posts were pretty hostile at the time. I want to figure out why I'm getting mad about it so I know what to apologize for. I apologize for getting mad at you and Nigel for having legitimate reasons to be mad at him.
Sorry, you're right, it's just me looking at the idea of a pattern differently. I thought something else was being referred to. IT was a pattern in relation to Coyote, yes. Not a pattern in relation to every other board blow out, which is what the word pattern suggested to me.
Can it not occur to you that the pattern which occurred that triggered Roger to say he suspected sexism was that I posted, and a dozen people spoke up to try to smack me down, and then I left and Roger spoke up, only all of a sudden everyone seemed to be done talking?
And somehow Coyote decided that not only was that observation invalid, but that it was a personal accusation against him?
Have you reread the thread? Have you reread it dead-sober, and non-hungover?
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It was not apparent to me that he was drunk when he was posting that. Indeed, seeing them out of context, and then putting them back into context show how unreasonable his statements were.
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Fuck this place.
I don't even remember if spine out against peny being an edgy ass for the billionth time in a way pissed Nigel off.
so fuck you and Nigel
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Phone. I have the same problems. Though rereading that, I still have no idea what it means.
Bullshit that's just phone issues. That's fucking blind drunk issues.
I reread the thread, and I was mistaken.