i was just looking at the title of this "category":
QuoteThink for Yourself, Schmuck!
Did you know that most people only have three original thoughts per week? Discuss new ideas to see if they catch fire.
how do you mean original? that they didn't have before? you know there is no such thing as really "original", right? everything is a different form (or "evolution" in some sense) of something previous!
Nope. Most people have three totally new thoughts per week, not inspired by or derived from existing thoughts.
New thoughts, which exist in isolation from all else.
The trouble is, these thoughts are nonsense and quickly forgotten because of their lack of relevance to reality.
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 12:32:26 AM
i was just looking at the title of this "category":
QuoteThink for Yourself, Schmuck!
Did you know that most people only have three original thoughts per week? Discuss new ideas to see if they catch fire.
how do you mean original? that they didn't have before? you know there is no such thing as really "original", right? everything is a different form (or "evolution" in some sense) of something previous!
Can you figure out which three are original?
START NOW!
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 12:41:57 AM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 12:32:26 AM
i was just looking at the title of this "category":
QuoteThink for Yourself, Schmuck!
Did you know that most people only have three original thoughts per week? Discuss new ideas to see if they catch fire.
how do you mean original? that they didn't have before? you know there is no such thing as really "original", right? everything is a different form (or "evolution" in some sense) of something previous!
Can you figure out which three are original?
START NOW!
Hmm... "Quote"?
Paes, seriously? how could something like that work? isn't the randomness that gives us free will too fine to be an entire though? or are there really truly random thoughts? dammit, why do i keep thinking of stuff like this tonight, i'm so bad in philosophy, it makes me feel confused.
It's actually just a joke. :) Designed to make you do exactly what you're doing, which is think too much about it.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 12:54:13 AM
It's actually just a joke. :) Designed to make you do exactly what you're doing, which is think too much about it.
i always fall for it... :)
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 12:32:26 AM
i was just looking at the title of this "category":
QuoteThink for Yourself, Schmuck!
Did you know that most people only have three original thoughts per week? Discuss new ideas to see if they catch fire.
how do you mean original? that they didn't have before? you know there is no such thing as really "original", right? everything is a different form (or "evolution" in some sense) of something previous!
:facepalm:
THANK YOU, O MIGHTY HIPSTER.
EET EES ALL SO BORRRING!
DOUR,
Holding his e-cig backwards, wearing a beret.
I've often wondered about the first person to think to themselves, "I wonder if I'm the first person to realize there are no original thoughts. Wait, is this an original thought?"
Quote from: rong on December 17, 2013, 02:02:49 AM
I've often wondered about the first person to think to themselves, "I wonder if I'm the first person to realize there are no original thoughts. Wait, is this an original thought?"
Pretty sure it was a cuttlefish or some other cephalopod, so the answer is 'No'.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 01:33:02 AM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 12:32:26 AM
i was just looking at the title of this "category":
QuoteThink for Yourself, Schmuck!
Did you know that most people only have three original thoughts per week? Discuss new ideas to see if they catch fire.
how do you mean original? that they didn't have before? you know there is no such thing as really "original", right? everything is a different form (or "evolution" in some sense) of something previous!
:facepalm:
THANK YOU, O MIGHTY HIPSTER.
EET EES ALL SO BORRRING!
DOUR,
Holding his e-cig backwards, wearing a beret.
WOah! why the name calling roger? maybe my comment on originality is not phrased to your liking but i meant it very seriously. and i don't think this is a trivial matter (or at least i don't anymore). i recently had this giant argument about whether there is such a thing as an original idea, and even if the lines are sort of fuzzy, if one can really find a "cutting point" and define something as original. it all started from a copyrights discussion, or actually an argument, or even a sort of a fight. so there are different opinions on this. and there are people who truly believe that this definition is a "fact", an actual thing, and it's not even a matter of opinion (!!!). maybe i should rephrase and say that:
do you guys think that there is such a thing as "original" in any sense?
Quote from: Telarus on December 17, 2013, 03:45:40 AM
Quote from: rong on December 17, 2013, 02:02:49 AM
I've often wondered about the first person to think to themselves, "I wonder if I'm the first person to realize there are no original thoughts. Wait, is this an original thought?"
Pretty sure it was a cuttlefish or some other cephalopod, so the answer is 'No'.
:lulz:
Is "hipster" a bad name?
If I may slice the Gordian knot: GS, you may consider "original" to be one of two different definitions.
1) Original to the thinker -- a thought that is not directly related to a short hand mode of thought, ingrained reaction, conditioning, or previous experience. This is an "out of the blue" thought; it may not be new to the world, but it is new to you.
2) Original in the sense it is a synergy* of two or more existing thoughts, and by combining them, something new emerges. which can lead us to item 1).
Of course, Original thoughts are not always useful, they are occasionally meaningless, and have a definite probability of being harmful at times. But if properly nurtured, some original thoughts can be transformative. And those are the kind I like the best.
*fuck you. It makes sense here, in a Buckmintser Fuller original definition sort of way.
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:44:00 AM
WOah! why the name calling roger? maybe my comment on originality is not phrased to your liking but i meant it very seriously. and i don't think this is a trivial matter (or at least i don't anymore). i recently had this giant argument about whether there is such a thing as an original idea, and even if the lines are sort of fuzzy, if one can really find a "cutting point" and define something as original.
"There is nothing new under the sun" is the hallmark of the common PBR hipster.
Quoteit all started from a copyrights discussion, or actually an argument, or even a sort of a fight. so there are different opinions on this. and there are people who truly believe that this definition is a "fact", an actual thing, and it's not even a matter of opinion (!!!). maybe i should rephrase and say that:
do you guys think that there is such a thing as "original" in any sense?
Oh, I see. You want to justify the act of ripping music and movies.
:boring:
"Free Culture"...IE, people with salaried day jobs telling artists that they shouldn't have the right to own and control their ideas and creative property and/or have it handed down in any way the artist fucking well sees fit. You go and make a living solely off your own imagination for ten years and then come back and talk to me, shiteyes. Or go and design your own house and build it with your own money and sweat -- and I'm going to come and fucking live in it. How's that? Get away from me.
That is all. You may now return to bleating about how theft is okay, as long as it's easy to do.
Nigel, i guess not a bad word in it self, but in the context.. :)
LMNO thanks, that makes sense to me! I guess my best original thoughts are just small modifications and combinations that usually turn out to be already known.
Rogie, it's really sweet how you jump into conclusions so quickly, again :* in fact this was an argument in a (music) band, and it was (mainly) about the following situation: the singer of the band comes to practice with three standard chords and half a lyric. he or she starts playing these chords and repeating the half lyric. the others join in, and in the end product two of these three chords are left in one part of the song, and the band nags the singer to write some lyrics because he or she doesn't like it when others write the texts. is now the singer justified to claim this song as their own and (though saying "it's not about the money") insisting that the "truth" and the "fact" of the ownership of his or her "original idea" be acknowledged?
anyway, i didn't say "there is nothing new", i said i don't consider anything really original, and i of course don't mean original under LMNOs definitions, i mean original as in "based nowhere". With LMNOs definition, there's plenty of original things :)
you have to help me with PBP by the way, i'm not so good with figuring out acronyms.
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
the singer of the band comes to practice with three standard chords and half a lyric. he or she starts playing these chords and repeating the half lyric. the others join in, and in the end product two of these three chords are left in one part of the song, and the band nags the singer to write some lyrics because he or she doesn't like it when others write the texts. is now the singer justified to claim this song as their own and (though saying "it's not about the money") insisting that the "truth" and the "fact" of the ownership of his or her "original idea" be acknowledged?
Qualifications: "is now the singer justified to claim this song as their own". Does "their" mean the singer?
Actually, a lot of the pronoun use is unclear. Who doesn't like it when who doesn't write texts?
Not knowing that info:
1) The musical could be credited to "the band" rather than "the singer". If the singer wants to get pissy, the singer can get credited as composer, and the band as arrangers. The royalties would be split as per their contract.
2) If "the singer" writes all the lyrics, then the singer has copyright on the lyrics. Lyrics and music fall under different copyrights. If someone else helped with the lyrics, they can argue the lyrics were co-written. Again, royalties would be split as per contract.
If you notice, the common thread here is "per contract". When you speak of money, you speak of contracts. And if the band is arguing about who "owns" a song, and they don't have a contract and understand this stuff, they won't be a band for very much longer.
LMNO
-The Frost Heaves have songs written by The Frost Heaves. Lyrics by the singer, with noted exceptions.
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
Rogie
Maaaaannnn I really hope this was some sort of Autocorrect error, otherwise, total dick move.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
Rogie
Maaaaannnn I really hope this was some sort of Autocorrect error, otherwise, total dick move.
Not likely, there's no such word.
You know, I'm willing to put up with anger, hate, whatever. None of those things denies that I have agency.
Contempt does.
Given that my working theory on "humans" is "All people are humans until and unless they demonstrate that they cannot view others as humans", Grannysmith is no longer a person, as far as I'm concerned. Just another dumbass sociopath in a world full of dumbass sociopaths. Nothing to be seen or learned from him; he has nothing to say.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
Rogie
Maaaaannnn I really hope this was some sort of Autocorrect error, otherwise, total dick move.
Not likely, there's no such word.
You know, I'm willing to put up with anger, hate, whatever. None of those things denies that I have agency.
Contempt does.
Given that my working theory on "humans" is "All people are humans until and unless they demonstrate that they cannot view others as humans", Grannysmith is no longer a person, as far as I'm concerned. Just another dumbass sociopath in a world full of dumbass sociopaths. Nothing to be seen or learned from him; he has nothing to say.
It might be a word in another language, and Grannysmith speaks several other languages and may not be a native English speaker. Which is why I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt until she clarifies it.
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
It certainly looks that way. Like a condescending use of a diminutive in an attempt to demean him. But, y'know, I asked, on the off chance that it wasn't what it looked like.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
I don't usually comment on this stuff, but that's how I took it. She seemed to be trying to re-frame away from "How's that? Get away from me." into a mode where communication could actually happen. Successful? Apparently not. She has been here 3 years and has over 2k posts, she may have thought she had enough rapport with forum to go with a nickname for Roger.
:shrug:
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
Ha. This is true.
Quote from: Telarus on December 17, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
I don't usually comment on this stuff, but that's how I took it. She seemed to be trying to re-frame away from "How's that? Get away from me." into a mode where communication could actually happen. Successful? Apparently not. She has been here 3 years and has over 2k posts, she may have thought she had enough rapport with forum to go with a nickname for Roger.
:shrug:
It's a he.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Quote from: Telarus on December 17, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
I don't usually comment on this stuff, but that's how I took it. She seemed to be trying to re-frame away from "How's that? Get away from me." into a mode where communication could actually happen. Successful? Apparently not. She has been here 3 years and has over 2k posts, she may have thought she had enough rapport with forum to go with a nickname for Roger.
:shrug:
It's interpersonal relationships 101 that you don't use a diminutive or a nickname with someone you aren't familiar with unless it's a deliberate attempt to knock them down a peg or two.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: Telarus on December 17, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
I don't usually comment on this stuff, but that's how I took it. She seemed to be trying to re-frame away from "How's that? Get away from me." into a mode where communication could actually happen. Successful? Apparently not. She has been here 3 years and has over 2k posts, she may have thought she had enough rapport with forum to go with a nickname for Roger.
:shrug:
It's a he.
Is it? I thought they'd mentioned a "GrandpaSmith" a time or two.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Is getting funky with Roger contraindicated in people who currently have Nigel's dick up their ass?
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Quote from: Telarus on December 17, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:03:37 PM
I'm guessing it was an unwarrented attempt at familiarity.
I don't usually comment on this stuff, but that's how I took it. She seemed to be trying to re-frame away from "How's that? Get away from me." into a mode where communication could actually happen. Successful? Apparently not. She has been here 3 years and has over 2k posts, she may have thought she had enough rapport with forum to go with a nickname for Roger.
:shrug:
It's a he.
Is it? I thought they'd mentioned a "GrandpaSmith" a time or two.
Entirely possible. My once-traplike memory has eroded in my infirm old age. It's like in
Flowers for Algernon.
When you get a letter written in crayon, you're supposed to cry dramatically. Just a head's up.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 17, 2013, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Is getting funky with Roger contraindicated in people who currently have Nigel's dick up their ass?
I hope not, since EVERYONE has Nigel's dick up their arse, and I'd like to get laid once in a while.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
On that note, please change your name back to some variant of Nigel. I feel like I've been standing on my head for a month.
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
Someone calling you "Niggie" would have a
lot more problems than condescension.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
Someone calling you "Niggie" would have a lot more problems than condescension.
Well, until all the skin came off. After that, smooth sailing.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:29:38 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
On that note, please change your name back to some variant of Nigel. I feel like I've been standing on my head for a month.
:lulz: But RADAGAST'S RED VELVET PANCAKE PUPPIES!!!
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:32:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on December 17, 2013, 09:28:37 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Does anyone have a nickname for Roger, other than "Mad Bastard"?
I believe it's been stated a few times that the only person he lets call him "Rog" must be someone he's having sex with.
This is fact. I don't get pissed when friends call me "Rog", but if I notice it I usually correct them.
Unless they're willing to get funky. In which case, you know...
Even "asshole" is okay.
I just don't like diminuatives of my name. And "Rogie" was deliberately condescending.
Yeah. "Rog" might be an accidental misstep while trying to be conciliatory, but "Rogie" would be like someone calling me "Niggie". Or Telarus "Tellie". It's the equivalent of calling someone "boy".
Someone calling you "Niggie" would have a lot more problems than condescension.
Well, until all the skin came off. After that, smooth sailing.
:lulz:
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
Is "hipster" a bad name?
It is to me. I considered it one of the most offensive insults. I lump it with sterilized fun. Rock N Roll with no BALLS!
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
Quote from: Officer What's His /b/ear on December 17, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
Is "hipster" a bad name?
It is to me. I considered it one of the most offensive insults. I lump it with sterilized fun. Rock N Roll with no BALLS!
I like that. Not sure I entirely agree, but I like it.
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 17, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 07:22:03 PM
the singer of the band comes to practice with three standard chords and half a lyric. he or she starts playing these chords and repeating the half lyric. the others join in, and in the end product two of these three chords are left in one part of the song, and the band nags the singer to write some lyrics because he or she doesn't like it when others write the texts. is now the singer justified to claim this song as their own and (though saying "it's not about the money") insisting that the "truth" and the "fact" of the ownership of his or her "original idea" be acknowledged?
Qualifications: "is now the singer justified to claim this song as their own". Does "their" mean the singer?
Actually, a lot of the pronoun use is unclear. Who doesn't like it when who doesn't write texts?
Sorry about that, yes: the singer would like to claim a jam created song as written by the singer.
and: the singer doesn't like it if someone else writes lyrics.
Quote
Not knowing that info:
1) The musical could be credited to "the band" rather than "the singer". If the singer wants to get pissy, the singer can get credited as composer, and the band as arrangers. The royalties would be split as per their contract.
2) If "the singer" writes all the lyrics, then the singer has copyright on the lyrics. Lyrics and music fall under different copyrights. If someone else helped with the lyrics, they can argue the lyrics were co-written. Again, royalties would be split as per contract.
If you notice, the common thread here is "per contract". When you speak of money, you speak of contracts. And if the band is arguing about who "owns" a song, and they don't have a contract and understand this stuff, they won't be a band for very much longer.
LMNO
-The Frost Heaves have songs written by The Frost Heaves. Lyrics by the singer, with noted exceptions.
but this is the problem. the singer does not want any contract nor wants any special share of the money. which i personally find seriously weird, then what's all the fight about? the truth? and the fact? of fucking what? but you're right about the contract LMNO, a contract wasn't made so far because it was a band between friends and for fun. when there's arguing in circles about copyrights, a contract is needed, so the endless whining will finally stop :lulz: :lulz:
So it's ego. It is bitter tea that concerns them so.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 17, 2013, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Officer What's His /b/ear on December 17, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 08:21:14 AM
Is "hipster" a bad name?
It is to me. I considered it one of the most offensive insults. I lump it with sterilized fun. Rock N Roll with no BALLS!
I like that. Not sure I entirely agree, but I like it.
Been working on it in a rant. Trying to make it less jaded and cynical and more satirical. I don't want to come off as RWHN. So far this is what I got.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
I did not know this. Is this a specific thing or is switching emotional tack (for a moment) within a conversation always a faux pas?
I use it as a strong tool to keep a miscommunication from turning an argument into a fight.
I prefer to use it in real life interactions and/or with people who know my body language because the backfires can be extreme.
Trying to spin a negative environment into a positive one isn't a bad thing.
Expressing undue familiarity via nicknames with a person you don't really know all that well, especially when that nickname has a diminuitive appearance (I'll let the linguists tackle that one), on the other hand... well, it pretty much has the opposite effect of what you seem to be looking for.
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
I did not know this. Is this a specific thing or is switching emotional tack (for a moment) within a conversation always a faux pas?
I use it as a strong tool to keep a miscommunication from turning an argument into a fight.
I prefer to use it in real life interactions and/or with people who know my body language because the backfires can be extreme.
The message received by North Americans is "disdain".
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 18, 2013, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
I did not know this. Is this a specific thing or is switching emotional tack (for a moment) within a conversation always a faux pas?
I use it as a strong tool to keep a miscommunication from turning an argument into a fight.
I prefer to use it in real life interactions and/or with people who know my body language because the backfires can be extreme.
The message received by North Americans is "disdain".
I'll keep that in mind.
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on December 18, 2013, 02:00:45 PM
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
I did not know this. Is this a specific thing or is switching emotional tack (for a moment) within a conversation always a faux pas?
I use it as a strong tool to keep a miscommunication from turning an argument into a fight.
I prefer to use it in real life interactions and/or with people who know my body language because the backfires can be extreme.
The message received by North Americans is "disdain".
I'll keep that in mind.
Thing is, among many North Americans, nicknames are okay...If you know the person. Among others, never. To call someone by a nickname when you don't know them is a way of saying "you are inconsequential; I do not need your permission to fuck with your name."
Regardless of what message is sent, that is the message that is received.
And it's not just the United States. Canada is similar, and Mexico - or at least parts of it - are even moreso.
I deal with folks from Sonora all the time, and I am utterly formal with the use of their names unless and until they tell me the diminuative they go by.
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 17, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 17, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Pæs on December 17, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE.
WHAT'S A DIMINUTIVE FORM OF "GRANNY"?
grannylein, in german at least :)
Roger, i guess we have different views of what is friendly or what not, and of what is acceptable or what not. unlike you, i don't mind being called nicknames, and in my cultures this is totally acceptable, even from strangers. also unlike you apparently, i don't like being called neither hipster nor shiteye or whatever that was, and I don't make a scene. anyway, that nickname calling and kiss sending was a failed attempt on switching the note from screaming to friendly, and maybe even have a conversation in the end, but oh well. :wave:
Well, just a heads-up; most Americans do NOT like being called by nicknames or diminutives by people tehy aren;t close to, particularly during an argumentative conversation.
I did not know this. Is this a specific thing or is switching emotional tack (for a moment) within a conversation always a faux pas?
I use it as a strong tool to keep a miscommunication from turning an argument into a fight.
I prefer to use it in real life interactions and/or with people who know my body language because the backfires can be extreme.
Here, if you are having an argument with James and al of a sudden you start calling him "Jimmy", you'll probably get punched in the face, because what you're conveying is that you view him and his argument as childish and not worth taking seriously.
It's very much like being in the middle of an argument with a woman and out of the blue you start calling her "sweetie".
I was trying to formulate the above example, but you pretty much took care of it.
It's funny, my name doesn't even HAVE a diminutive form, but I get people (almost always men) trying to diminutize it as a power play all the time. I'm like, seriously, did you just call me "Kallie"? BRB, Richtering my knives.
Ok, so I do understand reducing the number of syllables when speaking to a friend, but I'd actually have to be living in Portland for about a year before I tried calling you "Kal". Which, perhaps, isn't a diminution more than a 'shortening'.
Which brings up another point. In face-to-face, IRL conversations, I can see shorter nicknames as an ease-of-use issue. But when it's a forum, there's really no added convenience to nicknames, and that only emphasizes the power-dynamic aspect.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:46:18 PM
It's funny, my name doesn't even HAVE a diminutive form, but I get people (almost always men) trying to diminutize it as a power play all the time. I'm like, seriously, did you just call me "Kallie"? BRB, Richtering my knives.
They get what they ask for. :lulz:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Kali_by_Raja_Ravi_Varma.jpg)
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
It's very much like being in the middle of an argument with a woman and out of the blue you start calling her "sweetie".
That is an excellent example. Not only do i understand it intellectually now, but emotionally as well. :cringe:
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
It's very much like being in the middle of an argument with a woman and out of the blue you start calling her "sweetie".
That is an excellent example. Not only do i understand it intellectually now, but emotionally as well. :cringe:
Yay!
I mean, it's just a cultural quirk, but I'm glad I was able to convey it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Ok, so I do understand reducing the number of syllables when speaking to a friend, but I'd actually have to be living in Portland for about a year before I tried calling you "Kal". Which, perhaps, isn't a diminution more than a 'shortening'.
Which brings up another point. In face-to-face, IRL conversations, I can see shorter nicknames as an ease-of-use issue. But when it's a forum, there's really no added convenience to nicknames, and that only emphasizes the power-dynamic aspect.
People try it, from time to time. :lol: I try to be gentle.
I actually realized that I do accept one diminutive of my name; plain old K. And one friend, perhaps due to some cosmic link, addresses me as a plural.
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on December 18, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:46:18 PM
It's funny, my name doesn't even HAVE a diminutive form, but I get people (almost always men) trying to diminutize it as a power play all the time. I'm like, seriously, did you just call me "Kallie"? BRB, Richtering my knives.
They get what they ask for. :lulz:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Kali_by_Raja_Ravi_Varma.jpg)
OH FUCK
I retract everything, best nickname EVER.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 19, 2013, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
It's very much like being in the middle of an argument with a woman and out of the blue you start calling her "sweetie".
That is an excellent example. Not only do i understand it intellectually now, but emotionally as well. :cringe:
Yay!
I mean, it's just a cultural quirk, but I'm glad I was able to convey it.
I get that too, but for me that would be incredibly annoying if it came with that known sarcastic facial expression:
(http://www.peakoilblues.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/630px-PSM_V36_D705_Contemptuous_wrinkled_facial_expression-300x285.jpg)
I did
not mean it like that, but rather like this:
(http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/richcat/richcat1109/richcat110900131/10732340-pop-art-drawing-of-a-girl-laughing-and-a-speech-bubble.jpg)
though I do apologise for unknowingly insulting you Roger.
Quote from: GrannySmith on December 19, 2013, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 19, 2013, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: :regret: on December 18, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on December 18, 2013, 05:41:17 PM
It's very much like being in the middle of an argument with a woman and out of the blue you start calling her "sweetie".
That is an excellent example. Not only do i understand it intellectually now, but emotionally as well. :cringe:
Yay!
I mean, it's just a cultural quirk, but I'm glad I was able to convey it.
I get that too, but for me that would be incredibly annoying if it came with that known sarcastic facial expression:
(http://www.peakoilblues.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/630px-PSM_V36_D705_Contemptuous_wrinkled_facial_expression-300x285.jpg)
I did not mean it like that, but rather like this:
(http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/richcat/richcat1109/richcat110900131/10732340-pop-art-drawing-of-a-girl-laughing-and-a-speech-bubble.jpg)
though I do apologise for unknowingly insulting you Roger.
S'okay.