http://www.9news.com/news/article/371498/339/Pot-sales-exceed-1-million-on-first-day (http://www.9news.com/news/article/371498/339/Pot-sales-exceed-1-million-on-first-day)
Which is fucking awesome.
It also made David Brooks spazz out and write this (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/brooks-weed-been-there-done-that.html) awful, stroke-inducing argument in illogicity:
QuoteWhat sort of individuals and behaviors do our governments want to encourage? I'd say that in healthy societies government wants to subtly tip the scale to favor temperate, prudent, self-governing citizenship. In those societies, government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned.
But come on, you know, Brooks.
I'm actually very relieved that we're 3 days in and there's been nothing disastrousso far. Oh, and don't believe anything the media is reporting about our pricing. Lot of shops in Denver did super scammy mark up in prices. Realistic pricing is <$70 for 1/4.
But at what SOCIAL COSTS uh, at what cost? Why noone think ov teh childruuuuuuuunzzzzzzz, debacle of civilization and baby jesus? you see in one week cannibal marijuanas zombies eating your pets because hallucination and dehydration with their uncontrolled primal "munchies" and breaking your windows with stones - and the wrath of god hailing fire by the DEA and FDA because drug cartels and jamaicas niggers invading and stealing with neuronal poisoning and toxins all lose memory and neurons all walking vegetables and not even enough MRI scanners to deinfuse sins from souls
and alls with lung cancer ands welfare
Quote from: The Johnny on January 04, 2014, 11:44:56 PM
and alls with lung cancer ands welfare
Stay away from that synthetic shit.
Quote from: Cain on January 03, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
It also made David Brooks spazz out and write this (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/brooks-weed-been-there-done-that.html) awful, stroke-inducing argument in illogicity:
QuoteWhat sort of individuals and behaviors do our governments want to encourage? I'd say that in healthy societies government wants to subtly tip the scale to favor temperate, prudent, self-governing citizenship. In those societies, government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned.
But Brooksy, have you ever tried art or nature...ON WEED!!!
Quote from: Da6s on January 03, 2014, 11:14:34 PM
I'm actually very relieved that we're 3 days in and there's been nothing disastrousso far. Oh, and don't believe anything the media is reporting about our pricing. Lot of shops in Denver did super scammy mark up in prices. Realistic pricing is <$70 for 1/4.
It's been probably close to a decade since I actually purchased weed, but last I recall standard street for the good stuff in CO was 100 a 1/4 and 300 an oz. Factoring in inflation that means that it's a butt-ton cheaper now.
Someone, please please please tell me they are tracking cigarette sales before and after in this region. Those are some figures I'd like to see.
I'd bet every tobacco company is watching the figures very closely.
Hells, who knows? Substantial rises or falls could even turn big tobacco into big marijuana. Of course if that happens something else would have to be criminalized to make up the prison shortfall. Abusive language or something would be an offhand guess seeing as how twitter prosecutions continue to ramp up nicely. Easy enough to extend that into "hearing range of police officer".
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 07, 2014, 10:51:00 PM
I'd bet every tobacco company is watching the figures very closely.
Hells, who knows? Substantial rises or falls could even turn big tobacco into big marijuana. Of course if that happens something else would have to be criminalized to make up the prison shortfall. Abusive language or something would be an offhand guess seeing as how twitter prosecutions continue to ramp up nicely. Easy enough to extend that into "hearing range of police officer".
I swear I didn't know about this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25648019
QuoteMinisters want to replace anti-social behaviour orders in England and Wales with injunctions to prevent nuisance and annoyance.
Courts could impose these on anyone engaging - or threatening to engage - in "conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to any person".
QuoteMembers of the cross-party group say the new power is so wide it could be used against buskers, carol singers, street preachers and political protestors.
I bet "being annoying because you're stoned" could be included if it already hasn't been in some form.
5 million in sales from week 1 alone. Fuck yes.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on January 07, 2014, 05:31:20 PM
Quote from: Da6s on January 03, 2014, 11:14:34 PM
I'm actually very relieved that we're 3 days in and there's been nothing disastrousso far. Oh, and don't believe anything the media is reporting about our pricing. Lot of shops in Denver did super scammy mark up in prices. Realistic pricing is <$70 for 1/4.
It's been probably close to a decade since I actually purchased weed, but last I recall standard street for the good stuff in CO was 100 a 1/4 and 300 an oz. Factoring in inflation that means that it's a butt-ton cheaper now.
The 70 figure for 1/4th is for "A Grade". "Top shelf" still runs around 85ish for the same amount. People are still bitching because med card holders pay like 40 for 1/4. Prices have mostly stabilized though there are still some spots preying on the tourists and the naive.
Now our biggest issue is banks. That's 5 million in cash at the 37ish? stores because fed law won't allow banks to accept pot money. That and the possible shortage, and that all edibles are too potent for retail so recipes are having to change.
What? How does that even work?
Surely most stores were set up as business enterprises which require a bank/accountant/tons of other bullshit to set up and everyone tends to be pretty clear about what/where/why the revenue stream will appear. This is basic fucking business.
If anyone can explain this to me it'd be appreciated because I can't understand this at all.
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 08, 2014, 07:53:01 PM
What? How does that even work?
Surely most stores were set up as business enterprises which require a bank/accountant/tons of other bullshit to set up and everyone tends to be pretty clear about what/where/why the revenue stream will appear. This is basic fucking business.
If anyone can explain this to me it'd be appreciated because I can't understand this at all.
Here's starting point. Will add other articles as I find em.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2014/01/pot_sales_denver_5_million_five_days.php
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4552371/
Here's the legality of it:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-07/making-it-safe-for-banks-to-take-legal-pot-money
http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/159453
QuoteThat changed, Jammaron said, in September of 2011, when he got a newsletter from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the agency that insures all U.S. bank deposits.
"We heard from them that anyone doing this would be considered to be money laundering," he said. "At that point in time, our only real course of action was to ask [the marijuana businesses] to close their accounts."
Because marijuana is illegal under federal law, it's also illegal for banks to handle money generated from its sale. Yet a federal review of banking rules is now underway at the U.S. Justice Department, and the law could change in the coming months.
Fucking AspenDaily.
Thanks gents, will get to reading. From what I've gathered so far these business all operate pretty much cash only?
I had a thought - What if banks can't touch it, but there was some other currency, separate from the dollar, possibly some kind of electronic coin, maybe managed by some sort of federal bureaux which made every transaction traceable all the time.
Then I remembered I'm paranoid fool.
Federal rules consider it money laundering so banks won't touch the "drug money"?
Where's HSBC when you need 'em?
That too. It'd wonderful too see pot shop owners protesting this outside a branch.
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/3052013829132756857467.pdf
The above marks 8 areas "of particular importance", with the final paragraph of "Fuck you, buddy".
I'm still stunned with the whole banking angle, I had just assumed that the states that had gone for this had built in financial regs accordingly, otherwise, well, this. It's impossible to take any cash from it and you're still totally complicit at all times according to the feds.
I can think of a couple of ways to get cash from shop to back pocket but I wouldn't like to risk the defence in court. Is it wrong to worry that despite the increasing prevalence/availability of such laws that it may just be safer in the long run to stick to the black market or private enterprise?
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 08, 2014, 09:18:24 PM
Thanks gents, will get to reading. From what I've gathered so far these business all operate pretty much cash only?
Fed law won't allow currency for legal pot to cross state lines. As a result of this, credit cards are not "allowed" . There are ways around this including lying about your business for credit card statements or using your register as a functioning ATM, typically requiring a pin be entered.
Hickenlooper appealed to the feds 3 months ago about banking and financial regulations for legal retail. Nothing was done. So now here we are.
I sense mileage in a fake ad campaign along the lines of "HSBC staff promise their support in the drug war. We know which side we are on!"
The regulations are protection for the black market, as always. Legalization poses a pretty big threat to established illegal drug trafficking organizations, and those organizations own a lawmaker or two either directly or indirectly. Banks won't open accounts for legal marijuana sellers, but they'll launder billions for cartels in Mexico. Why? Because they're more afraid of what will happen to them for aiding legal businesses than what will happen for actually laundering drug money for cartels, which is nothing.
Quote from: V3X on January 08, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
The regulations are protection for the black market, as always. Legalization poses a pretty big threat to established illegal drug trafficking organizations, and those organizations own a lawmaker or two either directly or indirectly. Banks won't open accounts for legal marijuana sellers, but they'll launder billions for cartels in Mexico. Why? Because they're more afraid of what will happen to them for aiding legal businesses than what will happen for actually laundering drug money for cartels, which is nothing.
Sounds like a bunch of conjecture with nothing to back it up,
good sir.
Quote from: Net on January 09, 2014, 06:26:26 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 08, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
The regulations are protection for the black market, as always. Legalization poses a pretty big threat to established illegal drug trafficking organizations, and those organizations own a lawmaker or two either directly or indirectly. Banks won't open accounts for legal marijuana sellers, but they'll launder billions for cartels in Mexico. Why? Because they're more afraid of what will happen to them for aiding legal businesses than what will happen for actually laundering drug money for cartels, which is nothing.
Sounds like a bunch of conjecture with nothing to back it up, good sir.
Nothing to back it up? Clearly you are unfamiliar with the David Icke school of
just knowing stuff intuitively.
From legalisation to reptoids in less than 2 pages.
SEE THE DAMAGE POT BRINGS.
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 09, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
From legalisation to reptoids in less than 2 pages.
SEE THE DAMAGE ENHANCED PERCEPTION POT BRINGS.
Fixed that for you, matrix-slave.
Quote from: V3X on January 09, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 09, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
From legalisation to reptoids in less than 2 pages.
SEE THE DAMAGE ENHANCED PERCEPTION POT BRINGS.
Fixed that for you, matrix-slave.
:mittens:
Didn't someone we know once insist that tax revenue would be nowhere NEAR the millions predicted?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 13, 2014, 05:54:38 PM
Didn't someone we know once insist that tax revenue would be nowhere NEAR the millions predicted?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Look, is being right ALL that important, when you have assets to think about? You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs, and you can't protect your assets without ruining some children's lives. So tax money isn't that big of a deal, right? Though I suppose you COULD use that tax money to pay for more prisons for people who are too
Black guilty for diversion.
that revenue is nowhere near to paying for social costs though :fnord:
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
that revenue is nowhere near to paying for social costs though :fnord:
Billions of children dead from injecting the pot drug: Priceless.
For everything else, there's millions and millions in revenue.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 13, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
that revenue is nowhere near to paying for social costs though :fnord:
Billions of children dead from injecting the pot drug: Priceless.
For everything else, there's millions and millions in revenue.
well, as long as its the right type of children, then technically one IS reducing social cost... you need to be alive to waste/spend money and budget
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 13, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
that revenue is nowhere near to paying for social costs though :fnord:
Billions of children dead from injecting the pot drug: Priceless.
For everything else, there's millions and millions in revenue.
well, as long as its the right type of children, then technically one IS reducing social cost... you need to be alive to waste/spend money and budget
You want to hear something funny about Americans, Johnny?
They think the drugs are in the poor neighborhoods. :lulz:
Any teenage crack dealer can tell you that
you go where the money is. It's the middle class/rich kids do the serious shit.
Same goes in the UK, with the same logic.
Why sell E at £3/pill when you can get £10? Just imagine what you can make out of the ever rebellious weed.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 13, 2014, 07:28:49 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 13, 2014, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on January 13, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
that revenue is nowhere near to paying for social costs though :fnord:
Billions of children dead from injecting the pot drug: Priceless.
For everything else, there's millions and millions in revenue.
well, as long as its the right type of children, then technically one IS reducing social cost... you need to be alive to waste/spend money and budget
You want to hear something funny about Americans, Johnny?
They think the drugs are in the poor neighborhoods. :lulz:
Any teenage crack dealer can tell you that you go where the money is. It's the middle class/rich kids do the serious shit.
oh, well i think thats a bit of a universal representation of drugs=poor people... nobody does the math on how much cocaine, heroin or acids/synthetics cost for a frequent user... poor addicts resort to other kinds which are cheaper like meth or crack... so the only variance is budget and type of drug.
I wonder how long it will be until "POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG" just completely devolves into "DON'T SMOKE POT, YOU'LL TURN BLACK."
Quote from: V3X on January 13, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
I wonder how long it will be until "POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG" just completely devolves into "DON'T SMOKE POT, YOU'LL TURN BLACK."
:lulz:
It's not that poor people do more drugs; it's that poor people go to jail for doing drugs. But y'all knew that.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida-rep-trey-radel-pleads-guilty-cocaine-possession/story?id=20949551
Quote from: V3X on January 13, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
I wonder how long it will be until "POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG" just completely devolves into "DON'T SMOKE POT, YOU'LL TURN BLACK."
I think it evolved the other way. Wasn't that the basic message of Reefer Madness?
Quote from: Pergamos on January 17, 2014, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 13, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
I wonder how long it will be until "POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG" just completely devolves into "DON'T SMOKE POT, YOU'LL TURN BLACK."
I think it evolved the other way. Wasn't that the basic message of Reefer Madness?
Yeah, but it never really got far from that source, and the 21st century seems to be all about scrambling to give up what little progress was made in the 20th.
I'm pretty sure we could quantify this by seeing what percentage of articles about pot in the US media directly referenced or interviewed Snoop Dog.
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2014, 10:19:20 AM
I'm pretty sure we could quantify this by seeing what percentage of articles about pot in the US media directly referenced or interviewed Snoop Dog.
I didn't read any that referenced him, didn't he move to Jamaica and change his name?
Quote from: Pergamos on January 18, 2014, 10:31:22 AM
I didn't read any that referenced him
Well then you weren't trying very hard (https://www.google.co.uk/#q=snoop+dogg+marijuana), were you?
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colorado-governor-reveals-pot-tax-spending-plan (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colorado-governor-reveals-pot-tax-spending-plan)
QuoteThe governor predicted sales and excise taxes next fiscal year would produce some $98 million, well above a $70 million annual estimate given to voters when they approved the pot taxes last year.
Tax dollars for fucking DAYS.
Quote from: Da6s on February 22, 2014, 10:19:02 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colorado-governor-reveals-pot-tax-spending-plan (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colorado-governor-reveals-pot-tax-spending-plan)
QuoteThe governor predicted sales and excise taxes next fiscal year would produce some $98 million, well above a $70 million annual estimate given to voters when they approved the pot taxes last year.
Tax dollars for fucking DAYS.
Almost makes me wish RWHN was still here, honestly. :lol:
What's an RWHN?
Best get yourself a bag of this
:popcorn:
and hunker down for a good read.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34331.0.html
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/legalization-of-pot-means-trouble-for-private-prisons/4948
Private prisons worried about profit margins in the wake of decriminalisation/legalisation.
In other news, bears still shit in woods, Pope still a fan of Jesus.
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 08:23:26 AM
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/legalization-of-pot-means-trouble-for-private-prisons/4948
Private prisons worried about profit margins in the wake of decriminalisation/legalisation.
In other news, bears still shit in woods, Pope still a fan of Jesus.
What? We aren't imprisoning enough people to keep CCA happy?
:sad: <--- I has a sad.
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
The direction things are going in, I'd say we'll see the end of private prison contracts in most states within the decade.
Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.
Quote from: The Johnny on January 04, 2014, 11:43:09 PM
But at what SOCIAL COSTS uh, at what cost? Why noone think ov teh childruuuuuuuunzzzzzzz, debacle of civilization and baby jesus? you see in one week cannibal marijuanas zombies eating your pets because hallucination and dehydration with their uncontrolled primal "munchies" and breaking your windows with stones - and the wrath of god hailing fire by the DEA and FDA because drug cartels and jamaicas niggers invading and stealing with neuronal poisoning and toxins all lose memory and neurons all walking vegetables and not even enough MRI scanners to deinfuse sins from souls
Heh
Quote from: Da6s on March 15, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.
I sure hope so. A chance of leading toward a balanced budget will mean it gets conservative support
Quote from: Pergamos on March 15, 2014, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Da6s on March 15, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.
I sure hope so. A chance of leading toward a balanced budget will mean it gets conservative support
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Nigel on March 15, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 15, 2014, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Da6s on March 15, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.
I sure hope so. A chance of leading toward a balanced budget will mean it gets conservative support
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
balanced budget, small government, economic opportunity, sounds pretty attractive to conservatives to me.
No, they're attractive conservative propaganda.
Or did you think it was just coincidence that the budget gets terribly unbalanced, government expands and jobs decline when Republicans get into power?
Quote from: Cain on March 15, 2014, 10:38:23 PM
No, they're attractive conservative propaganda.
Or did you think it was just coincidence that the budget gets terribly unbalanced, government expands and jobs decline when Republicans get into power?
I meant conservative voters, not conservative politicians.
You mean conservative voters who consistently vote the people who do the above into power? Those voters?
Yeah, I guess that suggests they are either stupid or know what is going on and assuming stupid is usually not a good idea.
You're learning :)
Remember, sometimes, people like to believe lies about themselves, because they're flattering. In American political mythology, small government and balanced budgets are good. Associating yourself with the party that calls for these things means you associate yourself with these things. The truth of the matter is almost irrelevant.
For another example, the UK BNP will deny they are racist, only nationalists. Their voters will claim the same. However, they are racist and the voters know it. But since racism is bad, they can use that narrative to deny this.
Quote from: Pergamos on March 15, 2014, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: Da6s on March 15, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Over 2 million so far in tax revenue. All your states are drooling after mine like she's some cheap tramp.
I sure hope so. A chance of leading toward a balanced budget will mean it gets conservative support
Doubtful.
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their
free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on March 16, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.
You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on March 16, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.
We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on March 16, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
..
Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.
We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go
Funny how that works
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on March 16, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.
We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go
i dont understand if you are trying to make a point or are just being informative... on one hand you are portaying the judicials as letting people go easy... on the other hand you are saying that money helps offenders get off the hook :?
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:12:57 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.
You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.
Sorry, I can see that rankled, I was just going from your location. Illegal immigrants seem like a more likely target to me than alcohol offenses, also, California is a very progressive state and they're beastly to illegals too.
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:12:57 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.
You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.
I think you meant to say "Phoenix".
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on March 16, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 03, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Never fear, all sorts of old and boring things will soon become criminal acts to help shore up the numbers.
I'm guessing alcohol related offences to get a big sentencing boost soon. Or possibly 2 ton of shit for the "legal high" market. There's no real reason to protect that any more anyway so there's a whole fresh set of kids ready for the jail.
I'm not sure about alcohol related offences. That's how the counties in CO get most of their free labor that pays money to perform community service. Start putting DUI's in jail instead of "workenders" in Larimer County, for instance, and the 100-200 people it takes to get the Budweiser Center ready for a monster truck rally would become prohibitively expensive. Also, that would put for-profit prisons in direct competition with for-profit probation agencies.
So I'm not sure what the answer to this crisis is, but I'm sure the board is meeting to discuss the issue as we speak.
Technically we do sentence a lot of our DUI offenders to jailtime (at least in Summit and Idaho Springs from what I've heard) for 30 - 90 days. Typically our judges will reduce this to something like 72 hours or a week (which can be served on weekends!) given community service and classes are part of the probation sentence.
We are also extremely lenient toward offenders who will shell out the 1k+ for a blow'n'go
Yeah, the weekend time is what I was referring to. In Larimer County they call it workenders. They gather a few hundred people in this facility, put them on a bus, and send them out to various jobs. Larimer County has crews on the weekends and mid-week crews. That's let's say an average of 250 people, 8 hours a day, 4 days a week. The savings in man-hours to the county has to be huge, especially since an offender pays to participate in the program, and pays a supervision fee if they actually have sentenced community service as well (not everyone in workenders has community service as part of their sentence, they're just doing it because that's what the workender program is). My guess would be something like 60-75% of the people doing weekenders are there for alcohol related offenses.
Also, almost everyone in that program is sentenced to probation. Last I knew, probation fees range anywhere from $35-$100/month depending on the level of supervision. Plus, UA's, BA's, electronic monitoring, etc, all come with their own fees. A whole lot of this is handled by contract companies. Most of it, in fact.
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:12:57 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.
You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.
Sorry, I can see that rankled, I was just going from your location. Illegal immigrants seem like a more likely target to me than alcohol offenses, also, California is a very progressive state and they're beastly to illegals too.
Prison corporations lobbied aggressively for the criminalization of immigration.
Quote from: StandBackJack on March 02, 2014, 06:20:27 PM
What's an RWHN?
He's this guy who keeps coming back like the nasty little creeper he is, until someone shits all over his preventionist page on google.
:)
Quote from: Nigel on March 16, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
Quote from: Da6s on March 16, 2014, 06:12:57 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 16, 2014, 12:27:07 AM
Well, it is the SW, sorta, where they tend to attack illegal immigrants even more than most. I could see them as another source of bodies for the for profit prison complex.
You shut your whore mouth. We're the west. And CO, though it does occasionally have massive ICE raids, is extremely tolerant of hispanic individuals.
You can't compare this state to "papers please" institutionalized racism like Arizona. So don't. It's far more progressive than you're giving it credit.
Sorry, I can see that rankled, I was just going from your location. Illegal immigrants seem like a more likely target to me than alcohol offenses, also, California is a very progressive state and they're beastly to illegals too.
Prison corporations lobbied aggressively for the criminalization of immigration.
For some reason they are lobbying for the criminalization of illegals here. My brain breaks when i try to figure that out.
Uh-oh...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana)
QuoteA college student visiting Denver jumped to his death from a hotel balcony after eating marijuana-infused cookies, according to a coroner's report that marks the first time authorities have publicly linked a death to marijuana since legal sales of recreational cannabis began in Colorado.
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In January, Colorado became the first state in the country to allow people 21 and over to legally buy marijuana for any purpose from regulated stores. Weiss-Samaras said investigators believe a friend of Thamba's purchased the cookies in a recreational marijuana store.
"We were told they came here to try it," she said.
:news:
Statistically insignificant act of stupidity occurs. More at 11..
Did you get that name, RWHN? It's LEVY THAMBA. I'd hate for you to copy it down incorrectly in your "violation" database.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on April 03, 2014, 04:05:43 PM
Uh-oh...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana)
QuoteA college student visiting Denver jumped to his death from a hotel balcony after eating marijuana-infused cookies, according to a coroner's report that marks the first time authorities have publicly linked a death to marijuana since legal sales of recreational cannabis began in Colorado.
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In January, Colorado became the first state in the country to allow people 21 and over to legally buy marijuana for any purpose from regulated stores. Weiss-Samaras said investigators believe a friend of Thamba's purchased the cookies in a recreational marijuana store.
"We were told they came here to try it," she said.
Pretty sure that's what he was referring to in his other post.
Quote from: Nigel on April 03, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on April 03, 2014, 04:05:43 PM
Uh-oh...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana)
QuoteA college student visiting Denver jumped to his death from a hotel balcony after eating marijuana-infused cookies, according to a coroner's report that marks the first time authorities have publicly linked a death to marijuana since legal sales of recreational cannabis began in Colorado.
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In January, Colorado became the first state in the country to allow people 21 and over to legally buy marijuana for any purpose from regulated stores. Weiss-Samaras said investigators believe a friend of Thamba's purchased the cookies in a recreational marijuana store.
"We were told they came here to try it," she said.
Pretty sure that's what he was referring to in his other post.
Wait. Who? Where??
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OH!OH!!OHHHHH!!!