Hi everybody. On my way home from midnight shift I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if there were notes or coins with negative value?
That way, if you wanted to buy something that was $4, but you didn't have 4 $1's and the seller didn't have any $1's, you could pay with a $5 bill and a -$1 bill.
Stores that accumulated lots of "negative" money could sell things by allowing the buyer to - instead of paying in positive cash - take on the negative cash in the amount of the value of the item. i.e. I'll take this $35 CD player and 35 -$1 bills.
In some ways, it's a lot like going into debt.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of people just collecting massive amounts of negative bills.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Hi everybody. On my way home from midnight shift I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if there were notes or coins with negative value?
That way, if you wanted to buy something that was $4, but you didn't have 4 $1's and the seller didn't have any $1's, you could pay with a $5 bill and a -$1 bill.
Stores that accumulated lots of "negative" money could sell things by allowing the buyer to - instead of paying in positive cash - take on the negative cash in the amount of the value of the item. i.e. I'll take this $35 CD player and 35 -$1 bills.
In some ways, it's a lot like going into debt.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of people just collecting massive amounts of negative bills.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
*throws the negative money in the ditch on the way out of the store*
I like it.
This brought me to $0 bills and what a hilarious commentary they would be.
"Hey this isn't worth anything. Just like the rest of them!"
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Hi everybody. On my way home from midnight shift I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if there were notes or coins with negative value?
That way, if you wanted to buy something that was $4, but you didn't have 4 $1's and the seller didn't have any $1's, you could pay with a $5 bill and a -$1 bill.
Stores that accumulated lots of "negative" money could sell things by allowing the buyer to - instead of paying in positive cash - take on the negative cash in the amount of the value of the item. i.e. I'll take this $35 CD player and 35 -$1 bills.
In some ways, it's a lot like going into debt.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of people just collecting massive amounts of negative bills.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
We already have a system like that. It's called "credit".
The difference being that you can't just throw your credit card bill in the ditch on your way out the store.
What's weird, I think, is that because negative currency provides a certain amount of convenience, it must have some sort of value (non negative, that is)
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 10:06:31 PM
The difference being that you can't just throw your credit card bill in the ditch on your way out the store.
What's weird, I think, is that because negative currency provides a certain amount of convenience, it must have some sort of value (non negative, that is)
Except that it really doesn't. You already named the reasons we don't have circulating negative currency. It represents debt, but you can simply throw it away or amass vast amounts of it. It's essentially honor-system IOUs.
It sounds like an idea that probably seems really profound when you're stoned as fuck.
It's not, though.
Do you mean to imply that I am on drugs?
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 11:40:53 PM
Do you mean to imply that I am on drugs?
Either you're on drugs or you're kinda dumb. Pick your favorite!
:D
Of course, you could take my paranoid uncle's position that all legal tender is, in fact, a measurement of debt (as every bill is effectively an IOU from the government -- gold standard or not). We buy and sell goods and services with this debt, and we all accept it and expect each other to accept it based on our mutual agreement that the government can, ultimately, back up this debt.
So, your $35 CD player is a physical item with inherent positive value. You have obtained it in return for giving the store a negative currency amounting to $-35. The store accepted this "debt" because it has faith that it will be able to pass this "debt" on to its vendors or its employees, in return for their goods or services which will offset the value of the CD player they just gave you (and so on). Ultimately, if you hoard currency, you are owed the value of that currency/debt by the government which is why bankers have billions, and We the God Damn People had to bail them out. We never made that deal, it was written into the conspiracy we call a financial system from the very beginning, and now Obama won't even let me buy incandescent light bulbs.
Sorry, where were we?
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 11:40:53 PM
Do you mean to imply that I am on drugs?
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and that seemed like the most generous assumption.
Night shift tends to cause the sprouting of weird ideas. Some useful.
Don't see how this one would be.
"Duuuuuh, howsabout we just counterfit monopoly money?"
/
:bankster:
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Hi everybody. On my way home from midnight shift I had a strange money idea.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25812422
QuoteDoing the night shift throws the body "into chaos" and could cause long-term damage, warn researchers.
Shift work has been linked to higher rates of type 2 diabetes, heart attacks and cancer.
Now scientists at the Sleep Research Centre in Surrey have uncovered the disruption shift work causes at the deepest molecular level.
Experts said the scale, speed and severity of damage caused by being awake at night was a surprise.
The human body has its own natural rhythm or body clock tuned to sleep at night and be active during the day.
It has profound effects on the body, altering everything from hormones and body temperature to athletic ability, mood and brain function.
I prefer nightshift.
Why?
So many fewer live humans to deal with.
I'm just there to let in the eyeball-collecting people, really...
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 21, 2014, 08:13:21 PM
QuoteIt has profound effects on the body, altering everything from hormones and body temperature to athletic ability, mood and brain function.
Dunno about rong, but there wasn't much brain function going on here anyway... :retard:
I prefer night shift too. If only it weren't at night ...
In my defense - I didn't say it was a *good* money idea. I didn't say it was an *interesting* money idea.
But it was an idea I had that caused me to have a bunch of thoughts. Thoughts that caused me to reexamine my understanding of our money system.
I was under the impression that thinking is a PD approved activity, so I thought I would share the idea.
To be honest Rong, I usually find you quite interesting and amusing. The above was partly for my own benefit as I've had a lot of profound/wonderful ideas when working nights and without exception they have all been shit.
Except maybe the anti-oven, I still think there may be mileage in that somehow if physics would just SHUT UP.
I want to hear about the anti-oven
Quote from: rong on January 22, 2014, 04:13:56 PM
I want to hear about the anti-oven
Like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-griddle)?
QuoteThe anti-griddle maintains a constant temperature of -30°F (c. -34.4°C) by pumping a refrigerant through a compressor to remove heat from its steel surface.[6] Liquids, oil, and gels generally freeze in 30 to 90 seconds. The finished product has a crunchy outer texture while the inside remains soft or creamy.
Anti-griddle?!?
DO WANT.
Had to believe it, but I actually learned something by watching Chopped.
Quote from: rong on January 22, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
I prefer night shift too. If only it weren't at night ...
In my defense - I didn't say it was a *good* money idea. I didn't say it was an *interesting* money idea.
But it was an idea I had that caused me to have a bunch of thoughts. Thoughts that caused me to reexamine my understanding of our money system.
I was under the impression that thinking is a PD approved activity, so I thought I would share the idea.
Share whatever you want. Thinking is good. However, if you share an idea that is either not very good or very poorly thought out, it is probably quite reasonable to expect that people will tear it apart, and possibly speculate on what mental state might have caused you to post something so poorly thought out.
I'm glad you had some thoughts, but right now you seem to be getting defensive because you essentially came up with the idea of debt as currency, and people pointed that out.
Wouldn't an anti-oven be called a "refrigerator"?
I'll admit, I'm intrigued by this anti-fried food.
The anti-griddle sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 22, 2014, 06:21:16 PM
The anti-griddle sounds pretty cool.
:lulz: I see what you did there.
They're about $1200, but apparently you can make a make-shift one with stainless steel and dry ice:
http://www.molecularrecipes.com/techniques/anti-griddle-home/
:thanks: I'll be here all week.
This thread now confuses and angers me. All I know is some fucker owes me money now.
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 12:05:23 AM
Of course, you could take my paranoid uncle's position that all legal tender is, in fact, a measurement of debt (as every bill is effectively an IOU from the government -- gold standard or not). We buy and sell goods and services with this debt, and we all accept it and expect each other to accept it based on our mutual agreement that the government can, ultimately, back up this debt.
So, your $35 CD player is a physical item with inherent positive value. You have obtained it in return for giving the store a negative currency amounting to $-35. The store accepted this "debt" because it has faith that it will be able to pass this "debt" on to its vendors or its employees, in return for their goods or services which will offset the value of the CD player they just gave you (and so on). Ultimately, if you hoard currency, you are owed the value of that currency/debt by the government which is why bankers have billions, and We the God Damn People had to bail them out. We never made that deal, it was written into the conspiracy we call a financial system from the very beginning, and now Obama won't even let me buy incandescent light bulbs.
Sorry, where were we?
I like this. It points out something that we sometimes seem to forget: Money is not an object or a score. It is a relation, an interaction even if it is only potentially so.
Quote from: rong on January 20, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Hi everybody. On my way home from midnight shift I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if there were notes or coins with negative value?
That way, if you wanted to buy something that was $4, but you didn't have 4 $1's and the seller didn't have any $1's, you could pay with a $5 bill and a -$1 bill.
Stores that accumulated lots of "negative" money could sell things by allowing the buyer to - instead of paying in positive cash - take on the negative cash in the amount of the value of the item. i.e. I'll take this $35 CD player and 35 -$1 bills.
In some ways, it's a lot like going into debt.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of people just collecting massive amounts of negative bills.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
This would work if we all had digital currency.
(Putting on a right wing extremist hat.)
It could be a titanium cased RFID chip surgically attached around the chest artery.
Maybe by then, interest on loans (or at least compounding interest)
would be illegal because of the leaching effect it has on currency value.
(Taking hat off)
Cool idea! It would be a desirable alternative to loans!
Negative inflation currencies can be useful in certain economic situations, where one wants to stimulate spending and punish hoarding...but this isn't exactly the same thing.
Hi everybody. On my way home from sniffing glue I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if all of our currency was chocolate coins
That way, if you wanted to buy chocolate but there weren't any stores open, you could eat your coins instead. Partially eaten chocolate coins would still be legal tender and their weight after nibbling would be used to determine current value.
Stores that accumulate lots of chocolate coins could melt them down into chocolate bars which they then sell for chocolate coins.
In some ways, it's a lot like falling in love.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of where to get the chocolate, other than buying it with chocolate of inequal value.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
Quote from: Pæs on March 04, 2014, 09:06:50 PM
Hi everybody. On my way home from sniffing glue I had a strange money idea.
Wouldn't it be handy if all of our currency was chocolate coins
That way, if you wanted to buy chocolate but there weren't any stores open, you could eat your coins instead. Partially eaten chocolate coins would still be legal tender and their weight after nibbling would be used to determine current value.
Stores that accumulate lots of chocolate coins could melt them down into chocolate bars which they then sell for chocolate coins.
In some ways, it's a lot like falling in love.
I don't see a way, however, to resolve the problem of where to get the chocolate, other than buying it with chocolate of inequal value.
anyhow - weird idea - thought i'd share.
I see no reason for these two ideas to be exclusive.
Why not make negative value chocolate coins?
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2014, 09:01:08 PM
Negative inflation currencies can be useful in certain economic situations, where one wants to stimulate spending and punish hoarding...but this isn't exactly the same thing.
If the currency could be based on something that remains constant.
Theoretically, it could stay at a perpetual happy medium between the two extremes.
This raises a completely different question though. Why is hording bad?
When someone earns a bunch of money, they aren't exactly grabbing it from people and running to their hideout. The 'profit' was earned by first flowing through long chain of productivity.
Workers, taxes, satisfied consumers, and growth of the business' potential to repeat that process on a larger scale.
When citizens save money, their country then becomes stronger. When ever someone coasts from pay check to pay check they are opening their lives up to infinite possibilities of becoming drains on the system. Those lesser hoarders may not be what you were referring to.
If you are referring to the billionaire or possibly trillionaires.
There are so few of them: they are an abnormality. Their position is a sort of paradox in the monetary system.
Luckily, they are so far outnumbered that there really shouldn't be any need for laws to hold them down.
The power of the masses far out weighs their buying power. Laws specifically to hold people back would not be needed if everyone was simply aware and active. The people wouldn't have to dethrone and behead them. They could just obligatorily elect them as the poor people feeders.
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
When citizens save money, their country then becomes stronger.
Wrong. When money doesn't move, economies collapse. Ask the Japanese about that, back in, say, 1989.
The reason "savings bonds" were invented was to get the money people were squirreling away under their mattresses back into circulation. Uncirculated money is the death of an economic system, just as much as uncirculated blood is the death of an animal system.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 04, 2014, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 09:38:34 PM
When citizens save money, their country then becomes stronger.
Wrong. When money doesn't move, economies collapse. Ask the Japanese about that, back in, say, 1989.
I concede that point, to replace it with a question.
Could it be said that its all about balance?
If the citizens are either too broke, then their job becomes slavery.
They would have to do anything to not get fired. (extreme example) Boss says, "suck my dick"
If they hoard too much then there is no money flow.
Maybe there could be a basic savings cap. Enough to eat and be housed for the rest of their lives could be be a good limit perhaps?
(Note that unspent money is not loss, it is opportunity loss)
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
Could it be said that its all about balance?
Economically there is no balance, it's more of a cycle, with a different group on the shit end of the stick each turn it takes.
Quote from: Nigel on March 04, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
The reason "savings bonds" were invented was to get the money people were squirreling away under their mattresses back into circulation. Uncirculated money is the death of an economic system, just as much as uncirculated blood is the death of an animal system.
Nice explanation. Choosing to take it one step too literal.
Essentially, the flow speed of cash has to be adequate to provide sustenance for our biological needs. The economy users can be patient and wait for the mattress fillers to spend their money, but not so patient that they die of hunger and weather exposure waiting for it.
Instant spending being too fast to rationally make a choice, and our biological needs creating a time limit.
Somewhere in between those two extremes has to be the correct speed of economic flow.
That is such a vague inconclusive conclusion, but I'm trying to find a common ground everyone can agree with.
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
I concede that point, to replace it with a question.
Could it be said that its all about balance?
I would instead say that it is all about skiing downhill on sheer ice. You're FINE until you LOSE YOUR NERVE.
Fact: With only one exception, all the recessions and depressions we've suffered in America (and there were a bunch, especially in the 1800s) were entirely caused by lack of public confidence.
Quote from: Faust on March 04, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
Could it be said that its all about balance?
Economically there is no balance, it's more of a cycle, with a different group on the shit end of the stick each turn it takes.
Randomness dictating who gets the shit end?
Either through random genetic traits allowing you to have skills to pay the bills, or through actual randomness first come, first serve!! If a shit worker comes to the front of the line first, toooo baaaad!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 04, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
I concede that point, to replace it with a question.
Could it be said that its all about balance?
I would instead say that it is all about skiing downhill on sheer ice. You're FINE until you LOSE YOUR NERVE.
Fact: With only one exception, all the recessions and depressions we've suffered in America (and there were a bunch, especially in the 1800s) were entirely caused by lack of public confidence.
I think, therefore I am. (heard that quote on TV, not claiming to be a philosopher)
(but economically)
I think I am doing good economically, therefore I am doing good economically!
(But on a larger scale)
We think we are doing good economically, and therefore we are doing good economically.
(Emergency arrives)
We think we can unite and face this issue head, doing what is best for the most people and not stab at each other's backs, therefore we can face the issue head on without stabbing each other's backs.
(Ironic that our sustenance come from interacting with the economy, and the economy comes from our belief in it, if that was algebra, belief would equal sustenance, which is sort of what I said in the first sentence)
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:28:34 PM
Quote from: Nigel on March 04, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
The reason "savings bonds" were invented was to get the money people were squirreling away under their mattresses back into circulation. Uncirculated money is the death of an economic system, just as much as uncirculated blood is the death of an animal system.
Nice explanation. Choosing to take it one step too literal.
Essentially, the flow speed of cash has to be adequate to provide sustenance for our biological needs. The economy users can be patient and wait for the mattress fillers to spend their money, but not so patient that they die of hunger and weather exposure waiting for it.
Instant spending being too fast to rationally make a choice, and our biological needs creating a time limit.
Somewhere in between those two extremes has to be the correct speed of economic flow.
That is such a vague inconclusive conclusion, but I'm trying to find a common ground everyone can agree with.
I have kids, which means that sometimes I use analogies that are oversimplistic. But, yeah. The thing about money economies is that the more money circulates in them, the healthier they are. This is also why borrowing is better for an economy than saving; the more times money changes hands, the more useful it is in terms of the benefit people reap from it.
Look at it this way; money is actually a representation of work. When it changes hands, it is buying work of some kind in exchange for someone else's work. If you view it as a representation of work, when it isn't changing hands, what does that mean?
And, if you look at it that way, which is better for the economy; saving up today's work in order to spend it later, or exchanging all your work for someone else's work now, and in return, when you get old or otherwise lack the ability to work, those who are still capable of doing a lot of work take care of your basic needs?
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 04, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
Could it be said that its all about balance?
Economically there is no balance, it's more of a cycle, with a different group on the shit end of the stick each turn it takes.
Randomness dictating who gets the shit end?
Either through random genetic traits allowing you to have skills to pay the bills, or through actual randomness first come, first serve!! If a shit worker comes to the front of the line first, toooo baaaad!
Hrm, no I didn't say random I just said there isn't a balance, it's a complex multivariate system that has a lot of determining factors.
For instance we have had bad weather here for the last few weeks.
Bad weather means few fish caught which means fishermen get less money which means less money in an area, and less fish means more expensive fish which means more expensive food in hotels and restaurants (who tend to buy a lot of fish), higher expenses for hotels of restaurants means recouping cash which means less work hours to go around for staff which means harder working conditions or it means less options for tourists to eat which can mean negative reviews and less people coming.
Now apply this globally, built up of every little component and add in peoples greed, corruption and incompetence as well as the vaguely insane workings of government and you get a rough approximation of what is actually going on.
A system that appears random at a glance which is actually incredibly ordered by volatile.
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Look at it this way; money is actually a representation of work. When it changes hands, it is buying work of some kind in exchange for someone else's work. If you view it as a representation of work, when it isn't changing hands, what does that mean?
It means you're putting work into a time capsule. Work gets teleported directly into the future.
In this future it could be worth more or less or the same as it was worth before.
The mattress equates to being a kind of a teleporter/shrink ray of randomness.
The time between being sent and being received has less money circulating.
Which, means the economy's circulatory system has less blood to pump.
Causing symptoms, not death. If symptoms persist, because society is a cowardly hypochondriac, it decides to amputate its own arms and legs so that it doesn't need to use as much blood.
The poor limbs suffer, while the brain and a few random dangling parts have a party on a golden wheel chair.
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And, if you look at it that way, which is better for the economy; saving up today's work in order to spend it later, or exchanging all your work for someone else's work now, and in return, when you get old or otherwise lack the ability to work, those who are still capable of doing a lot of work take care of your basic needs?
Out of the kindness of their own heart? Or would you take care of an old person till they passed, then you would inherit some sort of stale chocolate coin. Then when your old, someone who want that security would help you for your coin? (eating the chocolate would also be an option)
The idea is sound on principle, people are just too #%@#!$ (something too profane for words) to be trusted with the lives of a nice (or crotchety) old person for anything but their own personal gain. (Thats a generalization too, of course there are sweet lovely (insert gender oriented description here) moralfags too.
Quote from: Faust on March 04, 2014, 10:54:05 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 04, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
Could it be said that its all about balance?
Economically there is no balance, it's more of a cycle, with a different group on the shit end of the stick each turn it takes.
Randomness dictating who gets the shit end?
Either through random genetic traits allowing you to have skills to pay the bills, or through actual randomness first come, first serve!! If a shit worker comes to the front of the line first, toooo baaaad!
Hrm, no I didn't say random I just said there isn't a balance, it's a complex multivariate system that has a lot of determining factors.
For instance we have had bad weather here for the last few weeks.
Bad weather means few fish caught which means fishermen get less money which means less money in an area, and less fish means more expensive fish which means more expensive food in hotels and restaurants (who tend to buy a lot of fish), higher expenses for hotels of restaurants means recouping cash which means less work hours to go around for staff which means harder working conditions or it means less options for tourists to eat which can mean negative reviews and less people coming.
Now apply this globally, built up of every little component and add in peoples greed, corruption and incompetence as well as the vaguely insane workings of government and you get a rough approximation of what is actually going on.
A system that appears random at a glance which is actually incredibly ordered by volatile.
Thanks for clearing that up.
So like a casino.
With a zoomed in view of one player and one machine, it appears completely random. Even though, nothing is random at all because the casino bosses created the games to be stacked in their favor from the very beginning. Technically giving you the 'possibility' but not the likely hood of victory.
"A casino on a plastic beach"
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 04, 2014, 11:14:42 PM
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Look at it this way; money is actually a representation of work. When it changes hands, it is buying work of some kind in exchange for someone else's work. If you view it as a representation of work, when it isn't changing hands, what does that mean?
It means you're putting work into a time capsule. Work gets teleported directly into the future.
In this future it could be worth more or less or the same as it was worth before.
The mattress equates to being a kind of a teleporter/shrink ray of randomness.
The time between being sent and being received has less money circulating.
Which, means the economy's circulatory system has less blood to pump.
Causing symptoms, not death. If symptoms persist, because society is a cowardly hypochondriac, it decides to amputate its own arms and legs so that it doesn't need to use as much blood.
The poor limbs suffer, while the brain and a few random dangling parts have a party on a golden wheel chair.
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And, if you look at it that way, which is better for the economy; saving up today's work in order to spend it later, or exchanging all your work for someone else's work now, and in return, when you get old or otherwise lack the ability to work, those who are still capable of doing a lot of work take care of your basic needs?
Out of the kindness of their own heart? Or would you take care of an old person till they passed, then you would inherit some sort of stale chocolate coin. Then when your old, someone who want that security would help you for your coin? (eating the chocolate would also be an option)
The idea is sound on principle, people are just too #%@#!$ (something too profane for words) to be trusted with the lives of a nice (or crotchety) old person for anything but their own personal gain. (Thats a generalization too, of course there are sweet lovely (insert gender oriented description here) moralfags too.
It's an old-timey idea I like to call "socialism". Some of the civilized countries have found that it works really well.
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work really well
Compared to the other systems(failed experiments) probably, but another original idea could spring up from somewhere. Hopefully one that doesn't involve forcing itself on people at gun point. Australia has a great thing going, but they are still very human too.
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 05, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
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work really well
Compared to the other systems(failed experiments) probably, but another original idea could spring up from somewhere. Hopefully one that doesn't involve forcing itself on people at gun point. Australia has a great thing going, but they are still very human too.
Unlike those inhuman beasts in Denmark, Finland, and The Netherlands, you mean? :lol:
Quote from: Nigel on March 05, 2014, 01:20:34 AM
Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 05, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
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work really well
Compared to the other systems(failed experiments) probably, but another original idea could spring up from somewhere. Hopefully one that doesn't involve forcing itself on people at gun point. Australia has a great thing going, but they are still very human too.
Unlike those inhuman beasts in Denmark, Finland, and The Netherlands, you mean? :lol:
Well, you don't exactly hear about their contributions to the world though. Furthermore, Den, Fin, and Neth are human too; meant that as a fair insult.
They might have some feel good stats to brag about, and those places are would be desirable to live in.
Its just that they still have their dirty secrets and realities of life. Just on a much smaller scare than the completely failed experiments.
(Note: Police actions are the opposite of contributions in any way shape of form.)
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
I hate pennies. Useless crap that clogs up my pockets. Some people save them like shiny rocks in huge jars to someday trade them for $37.50. I just throw every penny I get right in the trash.
Into the trash it goes.
We'll I hate waste but it's not like you spent it on bitcoin or something at least in the trash it still has some tangible value.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
I hate pennies. Useless crap that clogs up my pockets. Some people save them like shiny rocks in huge jars to someday trade them for $37.50. I just throw every penny I get right in the trash.
Into the trash it goes.
You are obviously some kind of communist.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
I hate pennies. Useless crap that clogs up my pockets. Some people save them like shiny rocks in huge jars to someday trade them for $37.50. I just throw every penny I get right in the trash.
Into the trash it goes.
I love how this is written. There's something appealing about it that I can't place.
It's also, while not a thing I agree with, a more sensible money idea than the OP.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 11, 2014, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
I hate pennies. Useless crap that clogs up my pockets. Some people save them like shiny rocks in huge jars to someday trade them for $37.50. I just throw every penny I get right in the trash.
Into the trash it goes.
I love how this is written. There's something appealing about it that I can't place.
It's also, while not a thing I agree with, a more sensible money idea than the OP.
This noob is suspiciously promising.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
I hate pennies. Useless crap that clogs up my pockets. Some people save them like shiny rocks in huge jars to someday trade them for $37.50. I just throw every penny I get right in the trash.
Into the trash it goes.
I save shiny rocks in huge jars.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 11, 2014, 09:23:28 PM
communist.
And yet I live alone. It's more about taking the trouble to deal with the currency. Is it worth my time? No, no it is not. I suggest you follow my enlightenment, consider the following;
I don't.
Enlightenment is for Buddhists. And I fucking hate Buddhists. Bastards. "Here today, and here tomorrow." When people get off of my fucking planet, they are supposed to STAY gone, not fucking come back slumming as a Goddamn dung beetle or something.
"When I crucify a man, he should fucking well STAY crucified."
- Casca Longinius Rufus
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 11, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
3. After you have assembled the worthless pennies you have to store them somewhere
In a sock. Attitudes, for the correction of, one each.
Whack.
I save shiny jars. I believe they could form a viable alternative currency to the Fed-dominated filthy rigged state-backed system we currently have.
Quote from: Resigned Obligatorily on March 05, 2014, 07:23:57 AM
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Quote from: Obligatory Resignation on March 05, 2014, 12:23:20 AM
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work really well
Compared to the other systems(failed experiments) probably, but another original idea could spring up from somewhere. Hopefully one that doesn't involve forcing itself on people at gun point. Australia has a great thing going, but they are still very human too.
Unlike those inhuman beasts in Denmark, Finland, and The Netherlands, you mean? :lol:
Well, you don't exactly hear about their contributions to the world though. Furthermore, Den, Fin, and Neth are human too; meant that as a fair insult.
They might have some feel good stats to brag about, and those places are would be desirable to live in.
Its just that they still have their dirty secrets and realities of life. Just on a much smaller scare than the completely failed experiments.
(Note: Police actions are the opposite of contributions in any way shape of form.)
Insulting my people are you?
Where do you live?
Next time your country gets flooded we won't come to help. And no Gouda either! :argh!:
Quote from: Cain on March 12, 2014, 08:27:43 AM
I save shiny jars. I believe they could form a viable alternative currency to the Fed-dominated filthy rigged state-backed system we currently have.
I've seriously considered buying a bunch of hard drives and labelling them up as "One Bitcoin" "Ten Bitcoin" and so on and then selling them on the understanding that you can't connect it to anything without the risk of losing the saved coins.
If it hits $1000 again, it's going to be very difficult not to do this.
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 12, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 12, 2014, 08:27:43 AM
I save shiny jars. I believe they could form a viable alternative currency to the Fed-dominated filthy rigged state-backed system we currently have.
I've seriously considered buying a bunch of hard drives and labelling them up as "One Bitcoin" "Ten Bitcoin" and so on and then selling them on the understanding that you can't connect it to anything without the risk of losing the saved coins.
If it hits $1000 again, it's going to be very difficult not to do this.
There was recent article about people raiding dumps for hard drives to get lost bitcoin keys off them.
Here's an idea, get a bunch of broken hard drives. Sell them online saying broken hard drive, contained my bla bla bla (bitcoin wallet), if you can get it working go for it and sell them for 35 - 50 a pop.
Quote from: Cain on March 12, 2014, 08:27:43 AM
I save shiny jars. I believe they could form a viable alternative currency to the Fed-dominated filthy rigged state-backed system we currently have.
:lulz:
Jars are inherently useful for storing stuff, therefore they will never use their value.
In the future wars will be fought over jars not oil.
Truly, they were prophets... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjiR2GkXK2Q)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 12, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
Truly, they were prophets... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjiR2GkXK2Q)
What is this I don't even
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 12, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
Truly, they were prophets... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjiR2GkXK2Q)
AMAZING!
Every so often my odd categorical knowledge of all things Python pays off.
You all realize how lucky you are that I keep the references on an incredibly tight leash, right?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 13, 2014, 02:49:48 AM
Every so often my odd categorical knowledge of all things Python pays off.
You all realize how lucky you are that I keep the references on an incredibly tight leash, right?
YES. YES, WE DO!
:ECH:
:lulz:
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