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Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 08:40:44 PM
Getting picked apart sucks.
It happens alot less if you do things like rely on facts and logical inferences and cite sources. And if you don't do things like make sweeping bombastic proclamations.
Nice counterpoint, Spanky.
:winner:
Run along back to your desk now, cubicle warrior. I've already extended you far more courtesy than you would if I came into your house and shit on the rug, which is exactly how I view your behavior here so far.
Cain, what is your opinion of the possibility of Russia moving to annex more of eastern Ukraine?
Your characterization of ECH's post as "hostile" is as laughable as your persona.
But you were really responding to the posts prior to that, weren't you?
(split from original topic, which was actually interesting)
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 09:03:59 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 18, 2014, 08:59:20 PM
LALALA I CANNOT HEAR YOU OVER MY AMERIKAN DEMOKRACY BLARING IN THE BACKGROUND
(http://www.arizonaeaglenews.com/images/Angry%20Eagle.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30VjNREhAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30VjNREhAM)
I just want to point out that doing the RWHN defense (self satirization) is a long sad road of butthurt with a dead end at a meltdown, so go ahead. :fnord:
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
For some reason I, like it appears so many others, am ruining the awesome fun all you guys usually have around here.
AHA!
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
I just don't think this forum jives with me.
I've mostly been ignoring you, but I think the problem may be that you're an asshat.
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
I just don't think this forum jives with me.
I've mostly been ignoring you, but I think the problem may be that you're [presenting yourself as] an asshat.
How I see it.
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
I just don't think this forum jives with me.
I've mostly been ignoring you, but I think the problem may be that you're an asshat.
We've had asshats before... this one just stinks of breakfast toaster pastries. Also, it's jibes, not
jives. Though, to be fair, the bulk of his posts here
have been jive.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:12:24 PM
"but I think the problem may be that you're an asshat."
No u :argh!:
:youmad:
Basic trolling fluency asserted: Subject understands trolling
Is subject trolling PD, is PD trolling subject or is it a bit of both?
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
For some reason I, like it appears so many others, am ruining the awesome fun all you guys usually have around here.
Agenda.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
I just don't think this forum jives with me.
I've mostly been ignoring you, but I think the problem may be that you're [presenting yourself as] an asshat.
How I see it.
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Yeah, all of my bullshit is justified too. At least we have that in common.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Also, I came to the Principia Discordia forum to find like-minded individuals and have some fun.
For some reason I, like it appears so many others, am ruining the awesome fun all you guys usually have around here.
If any one of you, any one of you at all wants me to leave and not come back I'm cool with that. All you have to do is post a picture of some ruby slippers and say 'There's no place like home" three times and I will leave without question or comment.
I'm honestly not trying to mess things up for anyone. I just don't think this forum jives with me.
You honestly seem to have a good combination of not taking things too seriously and intelligence, so I could see this going either way.
Quote from: Net on March 18, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Also, I came to the Principia Discordia forum to find like-minded individuals and have some fun.
For some reason I, like it appears so many others, am ruining the awesome fun all you guys usually have around here.
If any one of you, any one of you at all wants me to leave and not come back I'm cool with that. All you have to do is post a picture of some ruby slippers and say 'There's no place like home" three times and I will leave without question or comment.
I'm honestly not trying to mess things up for anyone. I just don't think this forum jives with me.
You honestly seem to have a good combination of not taking things too seriously and intelligence, so I could see this going either way.
Scilon would probably fit in just fine if PD weren't so focused on keeping them down and FORCING them to FIGHT THE POWER.
ALL OF YOU ARE SO MEAN I AM JUST DEFENDING MYSELF AGAINST THIS COMMUNITY I HAVE STUMBLED INTO.
WHY AREN'T YOU MORE WELCOMING TO ANTAGONISTIC NEWCOMERS WHO ASSERT AN US/THEM DICHOTOMY?
This thread.
Cain's criticisms of your position and expression of that position in that thread, while probably hard to read, are pretty much spot on.
QuoteThe jist of what I have been saying is still this:
Putin is an aggressive expansionalist and Russian invasion of Crimea violates a treaty signed by the US.
This was a massive oversimplification of your position or a tacit retraction of a lot of the parts that were criticised. It seemed dishonest.
Other parts of your position that escaped mention in your summary but may have elicted scorn include:
"And if we don't back up our treaties, the entire show is going to begin falling like the largest Jenga game ever played. "
A fairly condescending "You seem to forget that Vladmir Putin is a Dictator who..."
An accusatory "I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone but the most severe Kremlin apologist could defend him right now."
And then a jump to "NOBODY IS LISTENING TO WHAT I MEAN, ONLY WHAT I SAY" with "Too bad we can't agree on any point but it's hard when you can't see any part of my post where I might have credence or sense" and "Getting picked apart sucks."
Good luck recovering from having been tentatively classified as "OH GOD ANOTHER OF THESE". Try not to let it get you down if our collective hivemind reaction to tropes we've seen in sequence before triggers anticipation of the meltdown that typically follows those tropes. This pattern recognition has served us well before. Often those who criticise the community's collective reaction to them are those who cannot see that while the group takes cues from one another about who is worth engaging with, you are still an individual interacting with individuals who may find it distasteful to be dealt with only as a representative of the group.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Cool. I'll do a Word Cloud of all your posts one day and we'll see how ridiculous this claim turns out to be.
Quote from: Net on March 18, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
You honestly seem to have a good combination of not taking things too seriously and intelligence, so I could see this going either way.
I agree with this.
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:55:50 PM
Good luck recovering from having been tentatively classified as "OH GOD ANOTHER OF THESE". Try not to let it get you down if our collective hivemind reaction to tropes we've seen in sequence before triggers anticipation of the meltdown that typically follows those tropes. This pattern recognition has served us well before. Often those who criticise the community's collective reaction to them are those who cannot see that while the group takes cues from one another about who is worth engaging with, you are still an individual interacting with individuals who may find it distasteful to be dealt with only as a representative of the group.
On the flip side, being able to let go of statements when they're just wrong is definitely rewarded here—even if it takes a while to admit it.
Quote from: Net on March 18, 2014, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:55:50 PM
Good luck recovering from having been tentatively classified as "OH GOD ANOTHER OF THESE". Try not to let it get you down if our collective hivemind reaction to tropes we've seen in sequence before triggers anticipation of the meltdown that typically follows those tropes. This pattern recognition has served us well before. Often those who criticise the community's collective reaction to them are those who cannot see that while the group takes cues from one another about who is worth engaging with, you are still an individual interacting with individuals who may find it distasteful to be dealt with only as a representative of the group.
On the flip side, being able to let go of statements when they're just wrong is definitely rewarded here—even if it takes a while to admit it.
This is true.
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Cool. I'll do a Word Cloud of all your posts one day and we'll see how ridiculous this claim turns out to be.
Ahem.
Was unerringly polite to him.
Was shat upon.
A mirror darkly, indeed.
The trouble with treating people the way they treat you is that if you are socially incapable of determining whether people are being hostile, you just end up being a dick.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 19, 2014, 02:04:05 AM
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Cool. I'll do a Word Cloud of all your posts one day and we'll see how ridiculous this claim turns out to be.
Ahem.
Was unerringly polite to him.
Was shat upon.
A mirror darkly, indeed.
My current position is that noobs are someone else's problem. Specifically, people who can be arsed to explain the same old shit for the n
th time, to someone who is either here to teach us a thing or two (because they were offended on facebook, tumblr, etc), or is simply too fucking dense to interact with others. And then catch all manner of shit about it from regulars who have done a little noob-huffing in their time, if you know what I mean. And I think you do.
So everyone have fun storming the castle and all that good shit.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pæs on March 18, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
I just don't think this forum jives with me.
I've mostly been ignoring you, but I think the problem may be that you're [presenting yourself as] an asshat.
How I see it.
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
You are a liar. I was unmistakably nice to you, and in fact stood up for you, and you were specifically and pointedly a complete asshole and threw it back in my face. Which is why I really have nothing to say to you, except to point out that you're lying.
Thought you might have been cool, but you're just another 4chan-esque dipshit who lacks the maturity to relate to people straight on. Too bad.
Who were you reflecting here?
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 12, 2014, 10:25:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 12, 2014, 10:11:35 PM
Because of "True Detective", I finally started reading "The King in Yellow". It's got that old-horror-obviousness-and-kinda-boring-but-some-cool-narrative-ideas thing going on.
As with Lovecraft, Poe and other pioneers of the early 'romantic' and later macabre movement what you have to understand is that their intent was different than the modern horror author's intent. They were also some of the early practitioners of the short story as a medium.
In some ways, modern viewers fail to appreciate the artistry involved as even the project of writing itself was such a rare and difficult task at that time what with no electricity, things were still done by oil lighting or maybe, MAYBE by gas light.
So please, have some consideration for the Genre ^_^
I just read all your posts and now I'm back to thinking you may be an irredeemable fuckwit because you seem totally unaware of just how socially inept you are.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 19, 2014, 02:04:05 AM
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Cool. I'll do a Word Cloud of all your posts one day and we'll see how ridiculous this claim turns out to be.
Ahem.
Was unerringly polite to him.
Was shat upon.
A mirror darkly, indeed.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 14, 2014, 07:02:07 PM
LMNO,
If I condescend it's only because I am capable. Can't blame me for that one, that's your problem.
Yeah, I spent most of the day being very polite.
The responses I got were most telling.
Yeah, I'm going to file Scilon into the box marked "Trollbear", which for Scilon's benefit because they seem to have invested no time into learning the memes, norms and social mores of a new community before charging in headfirst, suggests a tendency to seem totally sincere in attempts to become better when called on bullshit, over and over and over a-fucking-gain.
See also: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=32901.0 "Woe, I cannot function in this social situation but will pretend that I am trying to do better."
You're the second guy this month to run that routine. Looking at you, Obligatory Resignation.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 19, 2014, 02:29:26 AM
Yeah, I spent most of the day being very polite.
The responses I got were most telling.
I've been told I'm a "good judge of character" from time to time. But all there really is to it is this: If politeness is answered with derision or condescension, then you are looking at the same sort of person that would be rude to a waiter. If a willingness to be reasonable or to back down and reassess the situation is an invitation to a groin-stomping, then you are looking at someone who will expect you to put on a collar. When most people say that an ability to admit your mistakes is admirable, they mean exactly what they say: YOUR mistakes. Because they don't make any. And if being able, as a group, to recognize this sort of shit implies a "hivemind", then fuck whomever is saying that, because they're LOOKING for a hivemind. With themselves as queen bee.
Really, the first impression is usually the best impression.
Quote from: Pæs on March 19, 2014, 02:31:49 AM
Yeah, I'm going to file Scilon into the box marked "Trollbear", which for Scilon's benefit because they seem to have invested no time into learning the memes, norms and social mores of a new community before charging in headfirst, suggests a tendency to seem totally sincere in attempts to become better when called on bullshit, over and over and over a-fucking-gain.
See also: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=32901.0 "Woe, I cannot function in this social situation but will pretend that I am trying to do better."
You're the second guy this month to run that routine. Looking at you, Obligatory Resignation.
Also, Holist. :lulz:
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f45/Squidoid667/thefuckisthis_zps15fb13a6.png)
Fuck is this guy??
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 19, 2014, 02:04:05 AM
Quote from: Telarus on March 18, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:14:18 PM
I really do just give back what I am given. I'm a mirror. If people are hostile to me, I respond in kind. If people are cool and rational I respond in kind.
It's not hard or mysterious. I stick up for myself.
Cool. I'll do a Word Cloud of all your posts one day and we'll see how ridiculous this claim turns out to be.
Ahem.
Was unerringly polite to him.
Was shat upon.
A mirror darkly, indeed.
VEX, IS THAT YUO?
Quote from: V3X on October 17, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
There is a face behind the masks, but I strongly suspect it is only a mirror. A terrible, horrible mirror. If you removed your masks completely -- all pretense, all identity, all belief, all ego altogether -- what would be left? A Thing which experiences. And that's true for everyone. Anyone who saw you would be staring directly at what they themselves are. Being faced with that, I can imagine the masks screaming in terror. It may be impossible to communicate that way, maybe because "communication" itself is a layer of abstraction built on top of that ultimate identity.
Actually i remember a Ruby reference in there that everyone missed (Ruby was a thing like Poptard wasnt it?) unless im doing retarded-paranoid Lo5.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 18, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Also, I came to the Principia Discordia forum to find like-minded individuals and have some fun.
For some reason I, like it appears so many others, am ruining the awesome fun all you guys usually have around here.
If any one of you, any one of you at all wants me to leave and not come back I'm cool with that. All you have to do is post a picture of some ruby slippers and say 'There's no place like home" three times and I will leave without question or comment.
I'm honestly not trying to mess things up for anyone. I just don't think this forum jives with me.
Eh, upon revision i think its Lo5, but im amusing myself for such connection. :lulz:
Paes said everything I would have already ITT.
ECH, I'll answer your question in the original thread, once I've had a couple of coffees. It's an interesting question, and I don't think it's clear cut which way Russia, or Eastern Ukraine, may go.
I find these beings fascinating. There appears to be solid intellect there but (if we take it at face value) this is coupled with an inability to bring this intellect to bear on social convention.
So why seek out social situations?
Either that or it's trolling...
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2014, 08:24:31 AM
Paes said everything I would have already ITT.
ECH, I'll answer your question in the original thread, once I've had a couple of coffees. It's an interesting question, and I don't think it's clear cut which way Russia, or Eastern Ukraine, may go.
Note: couple of coffees may include impromptu meetings, last minute travel and having to cook a curry.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 19, 2014, 02:32:53 PM
You guys are great! Thanks for all the love and encouragement :wink:
(http://l.wigflip.com/oLFZWhIp/roflbot.jpg)
Thats sweet.
Now keep being nice and everybody will be happier.
Quote from: Scilon Agent on March 19, 2014, 02:32:53 PM
You guys are great! Thanks for all the love and encouragement :wink:
(http://l.wigflip.com/oLFZWhIp/roflbot.jpg)
This place is pretty great, actually. :) Just chill out and dial back a notch or three.