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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 05:59:24 AM

Title: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 05:59:24 AM
So-

Warning I'm a bit wired because I drank a bunch of coffee to get my biology report done and it's almost 2 am, but this has to do with the Big Bang and the asymmetry of matter and antimatter. The question of what happens before it is irrelevant because there's no before but could it work out that the other side of the Big Bang is the antimatter Big Bang, doing the same thing that our universe is but, from our perspective, backwards in time and never the twain shall meet? Here's a stupid graphic I'm about to make to illustrate my point:

(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/dracolupus/harebrained_zpsb1470aba.jpg)

Such that, it's not a Big Crunch on the other side, it just happens to be a roughly identical universe expanding in the other direction through time from our perspective. It's still not really before because the Big Bang is more of a pinching off point. Chegolas' thread and tiredness got me thinking about it. I don't know, I feel like I can't quite get the idea out correctly. It's probably wrong anyway.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 01:11:33 PM
Alright, so now that I've gotten some sleep and I can string the thought together, consider a three dimensional graph where the Big Bang is the origin. Our universe is branching out along the x, y and z axes, all with positive values, with time basically being the slope. The universe's antimatter counterpart would all be doing the same but with negative values, and time being the slope running in the opposite direction. This is just a way to picture it, where the absolute values are the same. So both universes are the same age, but twice as long apart, because that's just the distance between them.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
So, you're saying there's antimatter that is running in negative time, in some inaccessible part of the universe, because matter and antimatter exploded in different spacetime directions?

So, what's with the antimatter that's in the universe we can perceive?

And, uh, how do you go about testing this?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
Good point. When we create antimatter we see an equal amount of matter. As far as testing I couldn't figure that out. How do you experimentally test any universe other than this?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 15, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
So, you're saying there's antimatter that is running in negative time, in some inaccessible part of the universe, because matter and antimatter exploded in different spacetime directions?

So, what's with the antimatter that's in the universe we can perceive?

And, uh, how do you go about testing this?

Leaky seals.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 04:00:21 PM
I'm just saying, the whole thing is way shoddier than it looks.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 15, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
So, you're saying there's antimatter that is running in negative time, in some inaccessible part of the universe, because matter and antimatter exploded in different spacetime directions?

So, what's with the antimatter that's in the universe we can perceive?

And, uh, how do you go about testing this?

Leaky seals.

That's kinda what I was thinking about at first too, but we get both in this universe when we create them. I think. Wait, do we?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: (Doktor (Nephew Twiddleton (Twid)) Blight) on April 15, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 15, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
So, you're saying there's antimatter that is running in negative time, in some inaccessible part of the universe, because matter and antimatter exploded in different spacetime directions?

So, what's with the antimatter that's in the universe we can perceive?

And, uh, how do you go about testing this?

Leaky seals.

That's kinda what I was thinking about at first too, but we get both in this universe when we create them. I think. Wait, do we?

You have to, I think.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 15, 2014, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: (Doktor (Nephew Twiddleton (Twid)) Blight) on April 15, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 15, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
So, you're saying there's antimatter that is running in negative time, in some inaccessible part of the universe, because matter and antimatter exploded in different spacetime directions?

So, what's with the antimatter that's in the universe we can perceive?

And, uh, how do you go about testing this?

Leaky seals.

That's kinda what I was thinking about at first too, but we get both in this universe when we create them. I think. Wait, do we?

You have to, I think.

Probably. Stupid question.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 10, 2014, 05:40:30 AM
Bump. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/big-bang-may-created-mirror-universe-time-runs-backwards/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pbsofficial&utm_campaign=nova_next)
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
It makes sense to me, but as LMNO said... how do you test it?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 10, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
No idea, I just remembered about the thread when I read the article.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
Is there a word for untestable hypotheses?

And the first person who answers "dildos" gets a knuckle sandwich.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 04:15:53 PM
Theoretical physics? :lulz:
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 10, 2014, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
Is there a word for untestable hypotheses?

And the first person who answers "dildos" gets a knuckle sandwich.

Musing?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2014, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
Is there a word for untestable hypotheses?

And the first person who answers "dildos" gets a knuckle sandwich.

Cock and repost?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
No, wait:  "Guessing".
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
All of the above seem suitable.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2014, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

I feel certain that Homeopathy would fail any standard scientific testing.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 10, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.

Huh, I had a band in high school named Baseless Speculation.  Interesting.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.

Huh, I had a band in high school named Baseless Speculation.  Interesting.

You're practically a scientist!
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 11, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.

Huh, I had a band in high school named Baseless Speculation.  Interesting.

You're practically a scientist!

That must be why Dodo isn't returning my calls.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 11, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.

Huh, I had a band in high school named Baseless Speculation.  Interesting.

You're practically a scientist!

That must be why Dodo isn't returning my calls.

:lulz:
It could be worse... you could be a woman.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 11, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 11, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 10, 2014, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 10, 2014, 08:27:05 PM
"Baseless speculation" is I think the technical term for it.

Huh, I had a band in high school named Baseless Speculation.  Interesting.

You're practically a scientist!

That must be why Dodo isn't returning my calls.

:lulz:
It could be worse... you could be a woman.

:lulz:
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 12, 2014, 02:32:08 AM
This hurts my head.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 12, 2014, 02:36:07 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 12, 2014, 02:32:08 AM
This hurts my head.

There's a reason I'm more suited to biology, despite some of my inclinations.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: LMNO on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: LMNO on December 12, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Well, that's because he's more interested in science than the rest of us.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 12, 2014, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Ok, I gotta ask. What hilarious conversation did I miss?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: hooplala on December 12, 2014, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 12, 2014, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Ok, I gotta ask. What hilarious conversation did I miss?

Toward the end of the ayahuaska thread in Apple Talk.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Well, that's because he's more interested in science than the rest of us.

No, no... not more interested. He just cares more. His Western ethnocentric obsession with his own interpretation of the "right" reality and complete lack of comprehension of what science actually is can't get in the way of how much he cares.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 12, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Well, that's because he's more interested in science than the rest of us.

No, no... not more interested. He just cares more. His Western ethnocentric obsession with his own interpretation of the "right" reality and complete lack of comprehension of what science actually is can't get in the way of how much he cares.

Similarly, I CARE about post-modern art.  I don't know what it is and I haven't ever seen or done any (at least I didn't recognize what it was), but I feel that I have the chops to tell post-modern artists why they're wrong.  Because I CARE and they DON'T.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 12, 2014, 04:06:49 PM
That thread, what I read of it at least, reminded me of the time where he said that people are dicking around with viruses and it's dangerous and stuff, and we should stop doing that because not understanding a damn thing about how viruses work is a lot safer.

Not knowing shit is safer.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 12, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 12, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 12, 2014, 02:40:03 AM
Just recite the holy litany, "it all adds up to normality."


The Universe hasn't changed the way it works just because you read about this.

Dodo might disagree. I mean, he thinks the moon disappears when nobody is looking at it.

Well, that's because he's more interested in science than the rest of us.

No, no... not more interested. He just cares more. His Western ethnocentric obsession with his own interpretation of the "right" reality and complete lack of comprehension of what science actually is can't get in the way of how much he cares.

Similarly, I CARE about post-modern art.  I don't know what it is and I haven't ever seen or done any (at least I didn't recognize what it was), but I feel that I have the chops to tell post-modern artists why they're wrong.  Because I CARE and they DON'T.

Totally legit, man. Because at least you care.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 12, 2014, 04:06:49 PM
That thread, what I read of it at least, reminded me of the time where he said that people are dicking around with viruses and it's dangerous and stuff, and we should stop doing that because not understanding a damn thing about how viruses work is a lot safer.

Not knowing shit is safer.

Yeah.

He doesn't know enough about what or how people were dicking around with viruses to be able to make a specific criticism, but he knows that they are and that's bad.

FUCK finding a vaccine for HIV.

In fact, fuck ALL gene therapy.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 12, 2014, 04:06:49 PM
That thread, what I read of it at least, reminded me of the time where he said that people are dicking around with viruses and it's dangerous and stuff, and we should stop doing that because not understanding a damn thing about how viruses work is a lot safer.

Not knowing shit is safer.

Yeah.

He doesn't know enough about what or how people were dicking around with viruses to be able to make a specific criticism, but he knows that they are and that's bad.

FUCK finding a vaccine for HIV.

In fact, fuck ALL gene therapy.

Playing God is a scary thing, when you consider it to be a blind process.

Funny thing about genes though, it's really easy to make them non-functional. "What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive. And holist would know that, if he cared to.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 13, 2014, 06:00:25 AM
I mean, there's a reason why most mutations are detrimental to the organism, and it's a rare one that grants a selective advantage. Chances are good that the mutation will kill the organism. Cancer, being a prime example, in animals.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 13, 2014, 06:51:22 AM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 12, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 12, 2014, 04:06:49 PM
That thread, what I read of it at least, reminded me of the time where he said that people are dicking around with viruses and it's dangerous and stuff, and we should stop doing that because not understanding a damn thing about how viruses work is a lot safer.

Not knowing shit is safer.

Yeah.

He doesn't know enough about what or how people were dicking around with viruses to be able to make a specific criticism, but he knows that they are and that's bad.

FUCK finding a vaccine for HIV.

In fact, fuck ALL gene therapy.

Playing God is a scary thing, when you consider it to be a blind process.

Funny thing about genes though, it's really easy to make them non-functional. "What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive. And holist would know that, if he cared to.

Which also goes a long way toward explaining why so many people are terrified of genetic manipulation.

But of course with Holist there's an extra level of curiosity, which is why he's so afraid of the perspectives of non-Western Native people.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 13, 2014, 06:54:19 AM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider.

:cry:
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 13, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
Relax, Roger. Statistically speaking they just need to do the experiment enough times  :lulz:
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 14, 2015, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)

Bothered you that much, huh?

Genetically modified to produce a graphene exoskeleton. Boom.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 14, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)

:um:
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 14, 2015, 06:24:06 PM
Where's the energy separating the quarks and anti-quarks supposed to come from?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 09:44:26 PM
Oh, my idea was just speculation on another possibility for before the big bang
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Don Coyote on January 14, 2015, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on January 14, 2015, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)

Bothered you that much, huh?

Genetically modified to produce a graphene exoskeleton. Boom.

But isn't there also the problem of respiration with arthropods? IE the bigger they get the less efficiently they can respire?
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 15, 2015, 01:18:42 AM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 14, 2015, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on January 14, 2015, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)

Bothered you that much, huh?

Genetically modified to produce a graphene exoskeleton. Boom.

But isn't there also the problem of respiration with arthropods? IE the bigger they get the less efficiently they can respire?

Give 'em some lung genes.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 15, 2015, 01:19:55 AM
That is true though. An arthropod living on land can only grow as big as the abundance of oxygen in the atmosphere will allow. Creepy crawlies during the Carboniferous Era were fucking huge.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Ben Shapiro on January 15, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on January 14, 2015, 06:32:27 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on December 10, 2014, 07:00:54 PM
Homeopathish?

No, that's for a hypothesis which is demonstrably incorrect, but still gets trotted out anyway

A hypothesis that can't be tested is called "unfalsifiable"

Quote from: Nepos twiddletonis on December 13, 2014, 05:52:47 AM
"What can go wrong" most of the time isn't some sort of horrible 100 meter tall spider. Usually it results in something that just can't survive.

As a huge nerd I feel compelled to point out that the 100 meter spider probably couldn't survive either. It's weight would scale up disproportionally to the strength of it's muscles or the structural integrity of it's exoskeleton.

EDIT:
Also, going back to big bang related stuff, has anybody else thought about the possibility that the big bang was the result of a Big Rip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) in a previous universe, or rather from the effect of the big rip on a hadron in that universe?
When the repulsive force of dark energy began to rip its component quarks apart it would instead be converted into a prodigious quantity of matter due to Color Confinement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_confinement)

Oxygen ratio. I also would be strong enough to left a house over my head, but who cares? Giant spiders.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: BeaArthurDent on June 20, 2015, 04:16:19 AM
I know this is kind of a bump, but multi-directional theories of time are not new. i.e. for example a demonstrative case from a reputable physicist: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/physics/big-bang-may-created-mirror-universe-time-runs-backwards/

Of course, if you take this position, why just two directions? Maybe time moves in all kinds of directions we can't think of. Given a singularity, could there be an infinite number of offshoots?

Test-ability is definitely a problem, however many physics paradigms have been put forth without proof, just guesses based on current evidence. Some bear out, many do not. Until we are able to construct a way of peering beyond the limits of the Big Bang we are just guessing, but that doesn't mean we won't figure out a way some day.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: BeaArthurDent on June 20, 2015, 04:22:09 AM
And I just realized the article I posted came out after the OP. I like that, somehow. Eris touched Legate's brain and gave this person supernatural insight, obviously.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Reginald Ret on June 20, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: BeaArthurDent on June 20, 2015, 04:16:19 AM

Of course, if you take this position, why just two directions? Maybe time moves in all kinds of directions we can't think of. Given a singularity, could there be an infinite number of offshoots?

Isn't time only 1 dimension? If so, that is why it can only move in two directions. Dimensions are by definition only 2 way traffic.
It's like measuring how long a yard-stick is and trying to use age instead of length, it just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on June 20, 2015, 11:15:05 PM
I think the idea, to summarize it admittedly somewhat glibly, is that if you could have paralell universes then why not a perpindicular universe
Title: Re: (Probably Stupid) Physics Question (That's Probably Been Asked Before)
Post by: Reginald Ret on June 21, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on June 20, 2015, 11:15:05 PM
I think the idea, to summarize it admittedly somewhat glibly, is that if you could have paralell universes then why not a perpindicular universe
That would require an extra dimension, not using a dimension in new ways.
Also, a mirror universe is something completely different than a parallel universe.

I should really read that link now.
Huh, weird. Does this:
QuoteThat movement toward high entropy gives time its direction.
Combined with this:
QuoteIn one universe, time appears to run forwards. In the other, time runs backwards, at least from our perspective.
Mean that the mirror universe moves toward low entropy? Or does it mean that it moves toward high negative entropy? because the first would be time going backwards, and it wouldn't last long. The second would mean that they may be moving through time in a reversed direction to ours but they would experience time the same way we would. So if communication is possible that would mean understanding eachother wouldn't be a big problem.
That is assuming, ... wel lots of things. Interesting food for thought though!