When you walk up to someone, online or IRL, and defiantly or boastfully inform them of every little detail of your personal gender/sexual wiring, you are not "getting the word out". You were not intending to do so. You were screaming to the world, "I AM A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE", and "my portfolio of specialness is larger than yours".
It's not that people have a problem with you being "grey romantic trans-ostrich feminine-expressing emo-sexual". It's that we don't care. It is TMI...ie, Too Much Information. We simply aren't interested. Call that "privilege" if you like; we don't care if you do that, either. Because we stopped listening to your complaints ages ago.
It's not that we don't think there are genuine problems; transvestites still get murdered, Gays still get bashed, women still get paid less than men. These are all real concerns.
But you aren't. The very fact that you have the time, energy, and electronics to spend 40 hours a week bitching about privilege on the internet carries such a load of irony that, if Bill Hicks were alive today, it would kill him stone dead. What makes it particularly egregious is that, as terms become "worn out", new terms must be invented to perpetuate the parade of specialness...
"Genderescent", "Demigirls", "Biromantic".
This, needless to say, has marginalized you even further. And if it were just you, we'd all happily ignore you wallowing in your soiled diapers on tumblr or whatnot. But it isn't. It's handing ammunition to the religious whackjobs and bringing a world of shit down on anyone who isn't hetero/CIS/whatever, and who is just trying to lead a normal life.
But you never cared about that. You care about your SPECIAL SPECIALNESS and shitting on the people closest to you in mindset, rather than the cavemen who still think Matthew Shepard got what he had coming.
So fuck you. You just stay in tumblr huffing each other's farts, and we'll all stay out here living our lives.
It's win-win.
Or Kill Me.
In general, I agree, but I do think there are a large enough minority of cases where there is enough gray area to self-define.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 21, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
In general, I agree, but I do think there are a large enough minority of cases where there is enough gray area to self-define.
Yeah, and that's awesome. Because it isn't the self-definition that bothers me, it's the constant & tiresome screeching and preening.
Preening. That's the perfect term.
You are, of course, right about that crowd being fodder for the persecution fetishists, Roger, but luckily they've ghettoized themselves to such an obscure corner of the Internet they might as well be having their clandestine meetings deep in the jungle. I resent the special snowflake attitude for it being a variation on rugged individualism - separating onesself from the point of reference for its own sake and thus weakening the strength of any significant effort at real change.
And then I look at them and I love them, in an odd way. Here we had a generation told you can be whatever you want to be and they grew up jaded and cynical for the lie, so we told the next ones you can be whoever you want to be and they said, "Okay, I'm butanoisexual. I am only turned on by the rancid butter smell of male ginkgo biloba berries," and the response is a resounding, "BUUUUUHHHHH..."
These people couldn't be invented by even the most warped of minds. They had to grow together naturally, and in an awful and hilarious way.
Oooh, good point.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 21, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
I resent the special snowflake attitude for it being a variation on rugged individualism - separating onesself from the point of reference for its own sake and thus weakening the strength of any significant effort at real change.
Just like organic-tards, anti-vaxxers, flouride freaks, and Intelligent Design weirdos are all actually the same thing (anti-rationalist).
QuoteAnd then I look at them and I love them, in an odd way. Here we had a generation told you can be whatever you want to be and they grew up jaded and cynical for the lie, so we told the next ones you can be whoever you want to be and they said, "Okay, I'm butanoisexual. I am only turned on by the rancid butter smell of male ginkgo biloba berries," and the response is a resounding, "BUUUUUHHHHH..."
These people couldn't be invented by even the most warped of minds. They had to grow together naturally, and in an awful and hilarious way.
I loved Old Yeller. Doesn't mean I wouldn't shoot the rabid fucking brute.
Hehehe sending this to binks.
Google "freebleeding".
Idk, i think such specific autoclassifications (iow, uniforms) are an attempt at communicational heuristics (a short phrase that tells the world what you are, instead of attempting to explain yourself in say, actual conversation or paragraphs)... but yes:
1st problem: assuming that the way your heuristics (abbreviations) work, that they will be correctly understood and interpreted by everyone (and when you use latin roots or stuff like that, good luck with it)
2nd problem: nobody cares about your self perception categories, they are more interested in the real characteristics you possess... self-perception has the flaw of being innacurate or deceptive... "im such a nice person" usually equates to asshole, so in that case its not self-delusion, but a tactic used socially for other people to assume you are a nice person so they are easier prey for whatever its planned.
Just let your actions speak for themselves, and keep a protocol of "need to know" basis, nobody cares.
Quote from: The Johnny on April 21, 2014, 09:05:33 PM
Just let your actions speak for themselves, and keep a protocol of "need to know" basis, nobody cares.
QFT
I'm sorta fascinated by it, I have to admit. In the same way I look at a car crash, or keep touching that weird bit of flesh where my thumbnail used to be.
But that's not genuine interest, I know. It's more like, well, horrormirth I guess.
Very salient points ITT. Don't have much to add at the moment, but you can see parallels to this behavior in some very odd places. Those aging bible belt Christians who, having recognized something spiritual in Bob Marley's music, try to sing it live on stage (for example).
Wait, what?
somewhere in the teeming masses of identities being generated at the fringes of the web,
there are probably some identities which will eventually be considered normal and real
At one point, being transgender was laughable fringe identity too. If you were biologically male but FELT female, this was a joke to everybody. Now thankfully it's gradually becoming normalized.
I do think a lot of these constructs just represent the questing phase that kids go through. They're a particular artifact of the stone soup way we construct identity in a media saturated environment. I mean, there are people who identify with Sephiroth (http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/index2.html). That's clearly not something you can you can carry into adulthood and old age.
I am secretly hoping that there's egg on my face in 50 years. Cybersexual and Doublesexual and such will be officially recognized
and all us 70 year old men will be like "I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE ONLY TWO GENDERS AND NOBODY WAS INHABITED BY SPIRITS FROM VIDEO GAMES"
... and the young generation will be praying for our death so they can finally marry a sailor moon pillow.
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
and all us 70 year old men will be like "I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE ONLY TWO GENDERS AND NOBODY WAS INHABITED BY SPIRITS FROM VIDEO GAMES"
At this point, curry went right up my nose and I almost choked.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
and all us 70 year old men will be like "I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE ONLY TWO GENDERS AND NOBODY WAS INHABITED BY SPIRITS FROM VIDEO GAMES"
At this point, curry went right up my nose and I almost choked.
Be thankful it wasn't Richter's vindaloo. It would have ignited your head.
It's suddenly struck me that this conscious relationship to sex and gender and, potentially, even wider human identity constructs, is a forbear to physical manifestations of these traits, now that we're taking our first stumbling steps along the path to genetic mastery.
Our great grandchildren's great grandchildren will be chastised for mating with neosapiens who don't have functioning gills or are possessed of an unfashionable colour of ovipositor.
I'll be praying for my death when the younger generation decide, en masse, to marry their Sailor Moon pillows.
ON YOUR MARK
GET SET
DIE
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http://metro.co.uk/2010/03/09/man-marries-pillow-154906/
BE RESPECTFUL YE SPAGS, ITS A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION OF IDENTITY AND SEXUALITY
:dream:
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2014, 07:13:58 PM
BE RESPECTFUL YE SPAGS, ITS A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION OF IDENTITY AND SEXUALITY
:dream:
My American Dream is the right to make fun of people like that.
You're not thinking of the big picture. The generations after the pillow fuckers die out are probably going to be pretty alright.
Seriously. Consider the last 10 people you met. Now ask yourself, honestly: "Would the world be a better place if their father had fucked a pillow?"
I'm almost considering advocating for the rights of pillow fuckers as removal of these total societal dead ends is probably a good thing for humanity on the whole.
The creepy human sex doll industry is going to explode in the next 5/10 years. Again, quite serious there. There will be some very repulsive shit made and people will buy it by the fucking vanload.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
You're not thinking of the big picture. The generations after the pillow fuckers die out are probably going to be pretty alright.
They'll find a way to breed for real. Humans are like that, the bastards.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
You're not thinking of the big picture. The generations after the pillow fuckers die out are probably going to be pretty alright.
They'll find a way to breed for real. Humans are like that, the bastards.
The top tier with some kind of ability to interact with other actual humans, sure. There will always be outliers.
I'm thinking more the hikikomori crowd and such. Those who are ordering My little pony toys with fleshlights "installed".
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:18:56 PM
You're not thinking of the big picture. The generations after the pillow fuckers die out are probably going to be pretty alright.
They'll find a way to breed for real. Humans are like that, the bastards.
The top tier with some kind of ability to interact with other actual humans, sure. There will always be outliers.
I'm thinking more the hikikomori crowd and such. Those who are ordering My little pony toys with fleshlights "installed".
The what crowd?
Stop. I've had more fun than I really want already. FUCK.
MUST...NOT...GOOGLE...
:argh!:
Quote from: Cramulus on April 22, 2014, 07:13:58 PM
BE RESPECTFUL YE SPAGS, ITS A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION OF IDENTITY AND SEXUALITY
:dream:
Is there anything that is an illegitimate expression of identity and sexuality? I'm trying to think of one and can't. But it sounds like exactly the kind of thing that people will get outraged about for reasons they aren't able to articulate. There's mileage here somewhere.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 07:26:03 PM
:argh!:
Now ask yourself, which children in the western world are most likely to develop such problems? I first heard the term in regard to this horrible foreign disease now afflicting our own little
bastards darlings bastards over here.
As far as problems go, I've probably spent more time worrying about socks.
I don't give a fuck about socks.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 07:26:03 PM
:argh!:
Now ask yourself, which children in the western world are most likely to develop such problems? I first heard the term in regard to this horrible foreign disease now afflicting our own little bastards darlings bastards over here.
As far as problems go, I've probably spent more time worrying about socks.
I don't give a fuck about socks.
You are an insensitive bastard.
"Socks aren't plants! They should be wiped out!"
- Nigel, from
The Young Ones
The ones that will breed will be the ones who can't afford pillows. Or My Little Pony toys. (Won't Google it. Can't make me.)
You'll do it to yourself in time. I don't have to do a thing beyond tell you that these things exist, are as horrible as they sound and there are documentaries if you fancy cleaning the floor with your jaw.
Carry on about your business.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 07:45:18 PM
You'll do it to yourself in time. I don't have to do a thing beyond tell you that these things exist, are as horrible as they sound and there are documentaries if you fancy cleaning the floor with your jaw.
Carry on about your business.
This is the exact, precise reason that you are evil and must be stopped :argh!:
"Evil must be stopped! Stop the evil! Oh, horrible Junkie is throwing jars of AIDS at schoolkids! Handing out tanalised timber for bonfires! Awful man!"
Just once, look at the options and consider picking the winning side. It's much more fun from this side of the fence.
Get thee behind me :argh!:
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
But you're English :?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
But you're English :?
Scottish. Although you've insisted otherwise for some time, reptile scum.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
But you're English :?
Scottish. Although you've insisted otherwise for some time, reptile scum.
I am not quite sure what difference that makes. It would be like me saying "No, I'm not in America, I'm in Arizona", or Waffles spouting his nonsense about which part of Belgium he lives in.
American clarification for ignorant crumpet-suckers: IF YOU ARE ON AN ISLAND OFF OF EUROPE, AND YOUR NAME ISN'T SVEN OR NILS, YOU ARE ENGLISH.
I'm not even going to try and explain this to a Texan.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:30:09 PM
I'm not even going to try and explain this to a Texan.
Sooner or later he's going to try and explain this theory to a drunken scotsman and then he'll be enlightened
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 22, 2014, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:30:09 PM
I'm not even going to try and explain this to a Texan.
Sooner or later he's going to try and explain this theory to a drunken scotsman and then he'll be enlightened
There are other kinds of Scotsmen? I call bullshit.
I'm tee-total.
Seriously.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
I'm tee-total.
Seriously.
I thought You People had laws about that.
It's more of a strong suggestion until you're able to face the reality of the situation without drink.
It occurs to me that I missed the ultimate "no true Scotsman" joke. :lulz:
I keep setting you up for it as well :lulz:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 21, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
You are, of course, right about that crowd being fodder for the persecution fetishists, Roger, but luckily they've ghettoized themselves to such an obscure corner of the Internet they might as well be having their clandestine meetings deep in the jungle. I resent the special snowflake attitude for it being a variation on rugged individualism - separating onesself from the point of reference for its own sake and thus weakening the strength of any significant effort at real change.
And then I look at them and I love them, in an odd way. Here we had a generation told you can be whatever you want to be and they grew up jaded and cynical for the lie, so we told the next ones you can be whoever you want to be and they said, "Okay, I'm butanoisexual. I am only turned on by the rancid butter smell of male ginkgo biloba berries," and the response is a resounding, "BUUUUUHHHHH..."
These people couldn't be invented by even the most warped of minds. They had to grow together naturally, and in an awful and hilarious way.
Goddamn. This is beautiful. As is the OP. Perhaps they are complementary doctrines of Holy™.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 21, 2014, 09:01:37 PM
Google "freebleeding".
That was a big thing among the uber-alt crowd when I was 19, too. I think it's always been around, just on the fringe.
Quote from: Nigel on April 22, 2014, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 21, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
You are, of course, right about that crowd being fodder for the persecution fetishists, Roger, but luckily they've ghettoized themselves to such an obscure corner of the Internet they might as well be having their clandestine meetings deep in the jungle. I resent the special snowflake attitude for it being a variation on rugged individualism - separating onesself from the point of reference for its own sake and thus weakening the strength of any significant effort at real change.
And then I look at them and I love them, in an odd way. Here we had a generation told you can be whatever you want to be and they grew up jaded and cynical for the lie, so we told the next ones you can be whoever you want to be and they said, "Okay, I'm butanoisexual. I am only turned on by the rancid butter smell of male ginkgo biloba berries," and the response is a resounding, "BUUUUUHHHHH..."
These people couldn't be invented by even the most warped of minds. They had to grow together naturally, and in an awful and hilarious way.
Goddamn. This is beautiful. As is the OP. Perhaps they are complementary doctrines of Holy™.
I am in love with the comparison with Rugged Individualists™.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
But you're English :?
Scottish. Although you've insisted otherwise for some time, reptile scum.
I am not quite sure what difference that makes. It would be like me saying "No, I'm not in America, I'm in Arizona", or Waffles spouting his nonsense about which part of Belgium he lives in.
American clarification for ignorant crumpet-suckers: IF YOU ARE ON AN ISLAND OFF OF EUROPE, AND YOUR NAME ISN'T SVEN OR NILS, YOU ARE ENGLISH.
Belgian districts are important, Roger the Peruvian.
Also, The OP and EOC's response: <3
Quote from: Oberinspektor Derrick on April 22, 2014, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 22, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
What's the problem? I'm bestowing my love upon the heathen Englishmen. Or, as I call them all, Southerners.
But you're English :?
Scottish. Although you've insisted otherwise for some time, reptile scum.
I am not quite sure what difference that makes. It would be like me saying "No, I'm not in America, I'm in Arizona", or Waffles spouting his nonsense about which part of Belgium he lives in.
American clarification for ignorant crumpet-suckers: IF YOU ARE ON AN ISLAND OFF OF EUROPE, AND YOUR NAME ISN'T SVEN OR NILS, YOU ARE ENGLISH.
Belgian districts are important, Roger the Peruvian.
Not Peruvian. I have never been at risk for llama-maulings.
You live on the other side of the Atlantic, and you're not a penguin, then you're Peruvian, in my eyes. So there.
No, it's hot and there's Latino folk.
Clearly Mexican.
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 22, 2014, 10:50:51 PM
No, it's hot and there's Latino folk.
Clearly Mexican.
I'm okay with that.
Gringo.
Quote from: Oberinspektor Derrick on April 22, 2014, 10:49:13 PM
You live on the other side of the Atlantic, and you're not a penguin, then you're Peruvian, in my eyes. So there.
I could never live in Antarctica, because I would be too afraid of being eaten by a polar bear.
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God dammit Bear. :argh!:
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I WOMPed off too much hair so I had to WOMP it back on.
<3 At least I'm 6 feet and Black!
Quote from: Pæs on April 23, 2014, 03:45:35 AM
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I WOMPed off too much hair so I had to WOMP it back on.
I have the weirdest boner right now.
And so it begins. Again.
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2014, 05:25:19 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 23, 2014, 03:45:35 AM
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I WOMPed off too much hair so I had to WOMP it back on.
I have the weirdest boner right now.
Alas, poor Bearman, for I knew him well.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 23, 2014, 02:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2014, 05:25:19 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 23, 2014, 03:45:35 AM
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I WOMPed off too much hair so I had to WOMP it back on.
I have the weirdest boner right now.Your world is coming to it's end
But you don't have to be afraid - I'm here for you
Save your happiness for tomorrow
And today we'll drown in your tears
A drop of your blood tastes like wine todayQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 23, 2014, 02:05:11 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 23, 2014, 05:25:19 AM
Quote from: Pæs on April 23, 2014, 03:45:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7jA56Is.png)
I WOMPed off too much hair so I had to WOMP it back on.
I have the weirdest boner right now.
Alas, poor Bearman, for I knew him well.
Alas, poor Bearman, for I knew him well.
Your world is coming to it's end
But you don't have to be afraid - I'm here for you
Save your happiness for tomorrow
And today we'll drown in your tears
A drop of your blood tastes like wine today
:lulz:
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