Inside every person is a better person looking for an opportunity to express him/herself. Grab a shovel and deal with that bastard, because he's nothing but trouble, and will only bring you to grief. Because, despite what people may tell you in this enlightened year of 2014, better people are not exactly a hot commidity...As evidenced by the fact that television "comedies" still rely on humiliation of characters for their laughtrack cue.
Or by the fact that ~ 51% of America sees the population of Ferguson as the problem. Or that even the "good guys" mostly consist of hateful fucks on tumblr; at least the vocal ones. And the non-vocal ones are worse than the bad guys, because they give them a convenient mask with which to conceal their bad deeds.
Every time you stay silent about evil, you are voting for it. Every time you walk past it with your eyes averted, you are giving it permission. In short, by condoning it, you are taking part in it. An evil person is, after all, a person that does or permits evil things.
But on the other hand, as I have been reminded of many times in the last few weeks or so, evil people are what people want. If this sounds bitter, maybe it is. But Bush/Cheney were elected twice, the second time after most of their evil was out in the open, for everyone to look at. Reagan, as well...And Obama hasn't exactly been a choirboy. In terms of entertainment, Jack Bauer. Nuff said.
I was not a very good human 12 years ago, but I was an effective one. And though I am told I have been a better person over the last few years, what has it accomplished? I have stopped no great wrongs, and damn few little wrongs. A moral stand cost me the friendship of this entire community (and a torrent of abuse)...Which then proceeded to find a roundabout way to make the original problem go away anyway, indicating that it wasn't the action I took, but the fact that *I* took it. Once I was safely out of the way, essentially the same action was taken on what was largely a ginned-up pretext.
The implications are pretty clear, here. My efforts to become a more fully-functional human being have led to no good whatsoever, and a whole lot of bad. As such, I have spent the past few weeks figuring out what needed to go and what needed to stay. Purging personality flaws isn't easy, and I have no idea how successful I've been. And I am unlikely to find out here, being more or less constantly talked around, so I guess I'll just figure things out IRL.
There is little to no use in associating with people who do not consider you their peer. There is NO use in associating with people who actively despise you, or even those who just don't like you much.
So this isn't a return, and I am not ready to rumble. It is an explanation of why I am not here often, and will be here less if at all, to those one or two people who still give me the time of day.
Thank you for your time.
I hope to still see you around, of course, and I hope you'll find PD a good spot for you again in a while.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on September 02, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
I hope to still see you around, of course, and I hope you'll find PD a good spot for you again in a while.
Probably. I'm feeling right now the way I felt in 2005, and I came back from that.
I just have some things to work out in my head, and the last thing I - or anyone else - needs is for me to be posting regularly when I'm this bitter. It didn't work well last time, there's no reason to think it would work out better this time.
But thanks.
I'll see you on facebook, and Houston then. You can always text me when your blue. I usually don't message people because I don't know their schedules, and are most likely doing important things. Good to see you're letting things out.
Quote from: Triggered word /b/ear on September 02, 2014, 07:56:41 PM
I'll see you on facebook, and Houston then. You can always text me when your blue. I usually don't message people because I don't know their schedules, and are most likely doing important things. Good to see you're letting things out.
PM me your current phone number, please. I apparently still have the old one loaded.
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
S'ok. I was just gonna tell you a joke about Hamilton, which I now can't remember.
And thanks.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
I usually go to sleep around 4-5 am, and wake up at 11 am. My thyroid pill keeps me up that long, and I'm usually all in into designing my card game, and store. So call me whenever.
Quote from: Triggered word /b/ear on September 02, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
I usually go to sleep around 4-5 am, and wake up at 11 am. My thyroid pill keeps me up that long, and I'm usually all in into designing my card game, and store. So call me whenever.
Sure.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
S'ok. I was just gonna tell you a joke about Hamilton, which I now can't remember.
And thanks.
The joke
is Hamilton.
There are only really two places, Roger, as you well know. Tucson, and Hamilton. I'm not sure which is worse.
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
S'ok. I was just gonna tell you a joke about Hamilton, which I now can't remember.
And thanks.
The joke is Hamilton.
There are only really two places, Roger, as you well know. Tucson, and Hamilton. I'm not sure which is worse.
Hamilton is worse. It is Tucson without the romance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
S'ok. I was just gonna tell you a joke about Hamilton, which I now can't remember.
And thanks.
The joke is Hamilton.
There are only really two places, Roger, as you well know. Tucson, and Hamilton. I'm not sure which is worse.
Hamilton is worse. It is Tucson without the romance.
That's what my gut is telling me, though I came up with "humor" rather than romance. Probably because I've never been to Tuscon... all we have around here is hundreds of miles of Hamilton. It makes me thirsty.
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Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
I'm sorry I wasn't able to answer my phone on Friday night... Friday nights are not the best time to attempt to get in touch with me. Mostly any other time works though.
S'ok. I was just gonna tell you a joke about Hamilton, which I now can't remember.
And thanks.
The joke is Hamilton.
There are only really two places, Roger, as you well know. Tucson, and Hamilton. I'm not sure which is worse.
Hamilton is worse. It is Tucson without the romance.
That's what my gut is telling me, though I came up with "humor" rather than romance. Probably because I've never been to Tuscon... all we have around here is hundreds of miles of Hamilton. It makes me thirsty.
Tucson at least has that "edge of the universe wastelands" feel to it, and a history that would make any modern gangbanger feel inadequate. Hamilton has no such excuse. It is, I think, the sinkhole for Canada, so that the rest of the country can be all pretty.
Your self-analysis interests me. I'm looking at my own brain too. All these trips to Montana have really messed with my head. What if I really AM a Big, Gay Cowboy?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 02, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
Your self-analysis interests me. I'm looking at my own brain too. All these trips to Montana have really messed with my head. What if I really AM a Big, Gay Cowboy?
What I've taken away from this is that you gotta be what you are. I've spent 8+ years trying to be something different, in what is now clear to me to have been some weird quest for validation from people who despise me.
So I'm going to be me from now on. I was happier that way, anyway.
The big question is "who exactly
am I?" After 8 years, you can kind of forget, so the me I am going to be now reflects my
current priorities. These priorities do not include kowtowing to people who consider me as, shall we say, less than a peer.
Instead, right now, I am fascinated by the weird science we're doing at work. Anything that advances that, in the long or short term, is good. Anything that hinders it is bad. Anything that does neither is irrelevant (with the obvious exception of my wife and my friends).
Example: Egalitarianism is good, because it increases the chance of people advancing on merit. This means more educated people, which advances my interest. The finer points of privilege, on the other hand, I find irrelevant. Racism and sexism are bad, because they prevent a vast number of people from reaching their potential. Likewise, people who will tolerate racism or sexism are bad, because they hand a nice mask to the people who actively promote these things.
Also, I can stop being so fucking
friendly all the time. It really was never part of my nature.
And that's a bit of a relief.
An extension of that last bit is that people who feel that I have become some kind of pariah these days, or don't feel that I merit the time of day, can kiss my ass until it blisters.
Well, I still love you. So there's that.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 02, 2014, 11:43:53 PM
Well, I still love you. So there's that.
:lulz:
You don't have a choice. You're Montana Jesus.
"And lo, he spoke thus: 'Rub some dirt on it. You're fine." And it was So."
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 03, 2014, 12:49:01 AM
"And lo, he spoke thus: 'Rub some dirt on it. You're fine." And it was So."
And he laid his hand upon the beefsteak, and LO! It stood up. And the gathered cowboys said amongst themselves, "Who is this wiseass?", and they picked up sticks and beat the cow back onto the plate.
I don't care if he
lulz or sneezes
As long as I've got my
Montana Jesus
Ridin' on the motorcycle
with HIMEOBS
Through his ROFLs
And LMNuendos
And his travels
to GAY BARS
With Montana Jesus
I'll go far...
Quote from: The Suu on September 03, 2014, 01:01:30 AM
I don't care if he
lulz or sneezes
As long as I've got my
Montana Jesus
Ridin' on the motorcycle
with HIMEOBS
Through his ROFLs
And LMNuendos
And his travels
to GAY BARS
With Montana Jesus
I'll go far...
:lulz:
Feel free to give me a buzz whenever you need. If I don't get a chance to pick up, I'll call you back when I see it. Not sure what happened, but I'm going through a bit of who am I stuff myself.
Quote from: Ållnephew Tvýðleþøn on September 03, 2014, 02:59:16 AM
Feel free to give me a buzz whenever you need. If I don't get a chance to pick up, I'll call you back when I see it. Not sure what happened, but I'm going through a bit of who am I stuff myself.
It was the whole blow up in late July.
the problem with being yourself is there is no such thing as self, man.
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actually i find this to be pretty good advice, even if it isn't handed down in some prophetic sense. being what you're supposed to be is a bad idea for two main reasons, A) it's a lot of work for nothing, and B) what you think you're supposed to be is always wrong anyway. personally i don't even have time for capitalization anymore, so where i'd get the time to be something i'm not i have no idea.
i dig the idea of not needing to be nice to dickbags, though. just telling it how it is, is a lot more satisfying than making it seem to be like how you tell it.
I don't know man, I think I missed whatever happened due to life bullshit.
I think you're awesome, Roger, and I admire you. I know you have this thing about relating on a peer level, but I don't think I'm your peer. I lack a good decade in life experience, and I don't think I hold a candle to your writing talent. But I do count you as a friend and a major source of inspiration in my life.
Quote from: Hoopla on September 02, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Your moral stand certainly did not cost you my friendship.
That.
For what it's worth, I'm still plotting your demise with as much vigour as before. So you've got that to look forward to at least.
Well, if it counts for anything I'm not angry or disappointed or think less of you or anything, in relation to July's disagreement. It's a disagreement, nothing more. I disagree with practically everyone about everything, if I made things like that personal on top of them, I'd never have anyone to talk to.
I mean, I have no-one offline to talk to anyway, but that's more a function of living in the middle of fucking nowhere around people who look at me funny because I can string a sentence together without going "oo-aaar" and don't drink cider. Because cider's a repulsive drink, and come the revolution all cider drinkers will be put up against a wall.
Quote from: N E T on September 03, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
I think you're awesome, Roger, and I admire you. I know you have this thing about relating on a peer level, but I don't think I'm your peer. I lack a good decade in life experience, and I don't think I hold a candle to your writing talent. But I do count you as a friend and a major source of inspiration in my life.
+1 all of this. I don't know who you were 8 years ago and I don't know who you'll be 8 years from now, but you've written things that have changed how I think (hopefully for the better) and you're a pretty cool guy and please don't eat me.
Quote from: The Suu on September 03, 2014, 01:01:30 AM
I don't care if he
lulz or sneezes
As long as I've got my
Montana Jesus
Ridin' on the motorcycle
with HIMEOBS
Through his ROFLs
And LMNuendos
And his travels
to GAY BARS
With Montana Jesus
I'll go far...
Montana Jesus brings a whole new meaning to the term "Pole Bending"...
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10204002806205477
Quote from: V3X on September 03, 2014, 05:31:02 AM
the problem with being yourself is there is no such thing as self, man.
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(http://freethinker.co.uk/images/uploads/2011/07/dalailama1.jpg)
actually i find this to be pretty good advice, even if it isn't handed down in some prophetic sense. being what you're supposed to be is a bad idea for two main reasons, A) it's a lot of work for nothing, and B) what you think you're supposed to be is always wrong anyway. personally i don't even have time for capitalization anymore, so where i'd get the time to be something i'm not i have no idea.
i dig the idea of not needing to be nice to dickbags, though. just telling it how it is, is a lot more satisfying than making it seem to be like how you tell it.
This bears thinking about.
Quote from: N E T on September 03, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
I don't know man, I think I missed whatever happened due to life bullshit.
I think you're awesome, Roger, and I admire you. I know you have this thing about relating on a peer level, but I don't think I'm your peer. I lack a good decade in life experience, and I don't think I hold a candle to your writing talent. But I do count you as a friend and a major source of inspiration in my life.
When I say "peer", I do not mean that someone has the same skill sets I have. I mean it in the older sense, a meeting of equals; a gathering of those who stand on two legs, and recognize that their fellows do the same. That is the only experience that really matters. Writing or shooting or artwork or personal charisma are fairly meaningless beside that one thing.
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Quote from: N E T on September 03, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
I think you're awesome, Roger, and I admire you. I know you have this thing about relating on a peer level, but I don't think I'm your peer. I lack a good decade in life experience, and I don't think I hold a candle to your writing talent. But I do count you as a friend and a major source of inspiration in my life.
+1 all of this. I don't know who you were 8 years ago and I don't know who you'll be 8 years from now, but you've written things that have changed how I think (hopefully for the better) and you're a pretty cool guy and please don't eat me.
Your better self is of no use in this world. You're better off sticking to the tentacles.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Video conferencing made easy. I'll set one up this weekend, at whatever time You People are awake over there.
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
It IS hideous, but it's easy and it works.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Video conferencing made easy. I'll set one up this weekend, at whatever time You People are awake over there.
It would have to be after 10PM my time which is....
googles...1PM your time.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Video conferencing made easy. I'll set one up this weekend, at whatever time You People are awake over there.
It would have to be after 10PM my time which is.... googles...1PM your time.
Is 1 AM (your time) too late for you? I ask because I know you are a rock n roller.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Video conferencing made easy. I'll set one up this weekend, at whatever time You People are awake over there.
It would have to be after 10PM my time which is.... googles...1PM your time.
Is 1 AM (your time) too late for you? I ask because I know you are a rock n roller.
Not really. But I'll only be on for half an hour/an hour or so. I have to get up at 8AM to work at the regional thingy.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 05, 2014, 07:26:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 04, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2014, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 02, 2014, 08:21:31 PM
You know where to find me if you need to/ want to chat.
I need to get you in a Google Hangout and see if your spoken English is as excellent as your written English.
What on earth is a google hangout? And I'm in, whatever it is.
Video conferencing made easy. I'll set one up this weekend, at whatever time You People are awake over there.
It would have to be after 10PM my time which is.... googles...1PM your time.
Is 1 AM (your time) too late for you? I ask because I know you are a rock n roller.
Not really. But I'll only be on for half an hour/an hour or so. I have to get up at 8AM to work at the regional thingy.
I'm thinking a week from Saturday, as we are going house-hunting this weekend.
Next saturday I'm watching Laibach interpret Edvard Grieg for the 200 year aniversary of the Norwegian Constitution.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 05, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Next saturday I'm watching Laibach interpret Edvard Grieg for the 200 year aniversary of the Norwegian Constitution.
Please wear clothes with big simley faces on it with big letters that say, "CHEER UP, LAIBACH!" on it.
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on September 05, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
Next saturday I'm watching Laibach interpret Edvard Grieg for the 200 year aniversary of the Norwegian Constitution.
The Norwegian Constitution:
Article I: Everyone go to school.
Article II: That's it.
Best. Consitution. Ever.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
It IS hideous, but it's easy and it works.
True, I can't deny that. I was getting worried my abomination detector was working improperly.
Quote from: Cain on September 05, 2014, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
It IS hideous, but it's easy and it works.
True, I can't deny that. I was getting worried my abomination detector was working improperly.
Might need calibration.
Watch BBC1 for a bit. That should sort you.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Best. Consitution. Ever.
One day, I hope to live in a civilized nation. :sad:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2014, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 05, 2014, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
It IS hideous, but it's easy and it works.
True, I can't deny that. I was getting worried my abomination detector was working improperly.
Might need calibration.
Watch BBC1 for a bit. That should sort you.
I think that's what caused the problem in the first place, watching the NATO conference for work.
Quote from: Cain on September 05, 2014, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2014, 07:56:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 05, 2014, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2014, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2014, 08:11:23 PM
I thought Google Hangouts were hideous, personally. But then I haven't used Skype since MS took over, so compared to that they may be the lesser of two evils.
...Of course, if I had internet worth a damn, that might also make the experience better.
It IS hideous, but it's easy and it works.
True, I can't deny that. I was getting worried my abomination detector was working improperly.
Might need calibration.
Watch BBC1 for a bit. That should sort you.
I think that's what caused the problem in the first place, watching the NATO conference for work.
Yeah, I could see that fucking up the span on your detector.