So here you go, you savage cishet white patriarchal oppressors:
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I wonder what the lives of these douches is like on a day to day basis?
Filled with incredibly angry bouts of masturbation I would assume.
I've found an easy way to filter only for posts composted of polarised, toxic screeching
https://www.tumblr.com/search/%23notallmen
This topic shows she worst of humanity from both the SJW's and the Mens rights morons. The two groups have become indistinguishable to me now in their race to bottom of tolerability.
Was that last one Garbo?
The one with the server giving the kid an AIDS stuffed burrito is actually pretty good. :lulz:
Wow. :lulz:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 02, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
The one with the server giving the kid an AIDS stuffed burrito is actually pretty good. :lulz:
It would be...if it ever happened. It requires a tumblrite to leave their basement, so the odds are not good.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 02, 2014, 02:00:00 PM
Was that last one Garbo?
No, from a sadly deleted tumblr. I suspect epic butthurt played a role in that ragequit.
Quote from: Hoopla on October 02, 2014, 12:51:31 PM
I wonder what the lives of these douches is like on a day to day basis?
A living testament to internet disinhibition syndrome, I suspect. Either that or incoherent, seething rage. (seriously though, most tumblrs are owned by richer than average, urban 20somethings).
Quote from: Faust on October 02, 2014, 01:31:54 PM
I've found an easy way to filter only for posts composted of polarised, toxic screeching
https://www.tumblr.com/search/%23notallmen
This topic shows she worst of humanity from both the SJW's and the Mens rights morons. The two groups have become indistinguishable to me now in their race to bottom of tolerability.
I felt using that tag would be too easy. It takes all the challenge and surprise out of it, rather like playing "fap to anything" while surfing Ogrish.
It does make it too easy and takes the fun out of it. There's a certain level of TOO stupid.
Quote from: Cain on October 02, 2014, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 02, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
The one with the server giving the kid an AIDS stuffed burrito is actually pretty good. :lulz:
It would be...if it ever happened. It requires a tumblrite to leave their basement, so the odds are not good.
That was my take.
About the waiter one.. doesn't the root homo mean 'same' not man? As in homogeneous? Homo Sapien meaning thinker that is the same?
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on October 03, 2014, 02:07:24 AM
About the waiter one.. doesn't the root homo mean 'same' not man? As in homogeneous? Homo Sapien meaning thinker that is the same?
I think it meaning "same" is a derivative from one language, while he was referring to the genus type of homo, derived from Latin.
Quote from: Faust on October 02, 2014, 01:31:54 PM
I've found an easy way to filter only for posts composted of polarised, toxic screeching
https://www.tumblr.com/search/%23notallmen
This topic shows she worst of humanity from both the SJW's and the Mens rights morons. The two groups have become indistinguishable to me now in their race to bottom of tolerability.
I read too much. I went too deep. I kind of want to vomit.
It's great being able to reduce anyone you disagree with down to
https://www.tumblr.com/search/human+trash
or a huge
https://www.tumblr.com/search/shitlord/recent#
Quote from: Raz Tech on October 03, 2014, 03:02:32 AM
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on October 03, 2014, 02:07:24 AM
About the waiter one.. doesn't the root homo mean 'same' not man? As in homogeneous? Homo Sapien meaning thinker that is the same?
I think it meaning "same" is a derivative from one language, while he was referring to the genus type of homo, derived from Latin.
Homo- (combination form of homos) for same is from the Greek, homo for male human is from Latin, which also implies that the alleged server got it wrong, too: homo-sexual is not man-sexual, it's same-sexual.
I'm sorry. :)
Quote from: Faust on October 03, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
It's great being able to reduce anyone you disagree with down to
https://www.tumblr.com/search/human+trash
or a huge
https://www.tumblr.com/search/shitlord/recent#
It's almost like dehumanizing someone in order to dismiss their arguments is a form of intellectual laziness.
Almost.
Quote from: Faust on October 03, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
It's great being able to reduce anyone you disagree with down to
https://www.tumblr.com/search/human+trash
or a huge
https://www.tumblr.com/search/shitlord/recent#
I'm constantly amazed that people still use shitlord unironically. I mean, I had a hard time taking it seriously when I was 8 years old and in the playground, let alone twenty years later.
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 03, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 03, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
It's great being able to reduce anyone you disagree with down to
https://www.tumblr.com/search/human+trash
or a huge
https://www.tumblr.com/search/shitlord/recent#
It's almost like dehumanizing someone in order to dismiss their arguments is a form of intellectual laziness.
Almost.
In a case by case basis it could be intellectual laziness, or frustration. Individually it's probably something that can be worked through.
On a memetic collective scale it is a wall, devoid of meaning, impenetrable and composed entirely of screaming.
It really shows how important it is that everyone does their part to establish a dialogue for change on an individual level, and how resorting to childish namecalling or dehumanisation even if just once off, fuels something larger and monstrous.
Quote from: Raz Tech on October 03, 2014, 03:02:32 AM
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on October 03, 2014, 02:07:24 AM
About the waiter one.. doesn't the root homo mean 'same' not man? As in homogeneous? Homo Sapien meaning thinker that is the same?
I think it meaning "same" is a derivative from one language, while he was referring to the genus type of homo, derived from Latin.
I think homeo means 'same' though I can't be arsed to look it up. Homo means man though, Homo Sapiens is 'thinking man' and Homo Erectus is 'straight-up man'
Homo means same in Greek and human in Latin. Homosexual is derived from the Greek and homo sapiens is derived from the Latin.
Therefore the made up tumblr story of bravery isn't even factually correct, because in this context it doesn't mean human.
Homosexual is from the Greek and Latin...
"Homosexual" is a barbarously hybrid word, and I claim no responsibility for it. It is, however, convenient, and now widely used. "Homogenic" has been suggested as a substitute. [H. Havelock Ellis, "Studies in Psychology," 1897]
Which is why I said "derived from" and not "directly from". Do you honestly think I'm too retarded to realise that "sex" is, in fact, a Latin word? However, the homo- prefix, which defines the entire meaning of the word, is Greek.
I didn't actually want to have a linguistics discussion, because it's pedantic and uninteresting. But well done. You showed everyone just how smart you are, or something.
Dodo, in the future, please begin those sorts of posts with "Actually..."
I'll give him this... he's consistent.
Quote from: Cain on October 03, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
Which is why I said "derived from" and not "directly from". Do you honestly think I'm too retarded to realise that "sex" is, in fact, a Latin word? However, the homo- prefix, which defines the entire meaning of the word, is Greek.
I didn't actually want to have a linguistics discussion, because it's pedantic and uninteresting. But well done. You showed everyone just how smart you are, or something.
Sex is an AMERICAN word. Like "America" itself.
Quote from: Cain on October 03, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
I didn't actually want to have a linguistics discussion, because it's pedantic and uninteresting. But well done. You showed everyone just how smart you are, or something.
Thank you sir. I learned something. I did not know it had roots in both languages.
Quote from: Faust on October 03, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 03, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: Faust on October 03, 2014, 04:32:01 PM
It's great being able to reduce anyone you disagree with down to
https://www.tumblr.com/search/human+trash
or a huge
https://www.tumblr.com/search/shitlord/recent#
It's almost like dehumanizing someone in order to dismiss their arguments is a form of intellectual laziness.
Almost.
In a case by case basis it could be intellectual laziness, or frustration. Individually it's probably something that can be worked through.
On a memetic collective scale it is a wall, devoid of meaning, impenetrable and composed entirely of screaming.
It really shows how important it is that everyone does their part to establish a dialogue for change on an individual level, and how resorting to childish namecalling or dehumanisation even if just once off, fuels something larger and monstrous.
Yes. I'm tired or I would write a more articulate and explanatory agreement.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 03, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Dodo, in the future, please begin those sorts of posts with "Actually..."
:mittens:
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
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Quote from: Cain on October 03, 2014, 06:55:57 PM
Do you honestly think I'm too retarded to realise that "sex" is, in fact, a Latin word?
Nope. And I don't think that not knowing that qualifies someone for the label "retarded", either. I thought perhaps a somewhat wiser Joe may not have known it. Feel free to go to town! I maintain, however, that the "whole meaning of the word" is derived from both "homo" and "sexual". Actually. :D
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 05:59:02 AM
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That's the best one so far.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
Fuck right off, Dodo.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 05:59:02 AM
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:horrormirth: Jesus fuck.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
No, but there is one for the disorder characterized by limited or absent theory of mind, including but not limited to the inability to understand why other people will perceive certain statements and behavior as condescending. It's called "autism".
Quote from: Your Mom on October 04, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
No, but there is one for the disorder characterized by limited or absent theory of mind, including but not limited to the inability to understand why other people will perceive certain statements and behavior as condescending. It's called "autism".
I think I had "inferiority complex" in mind. :) I wasn't 100% sure about it (as I am sure the venerable Cain was!), so I looked up the etymology of 'homosexual'. I found a funny quote, so I thought I'd share it... primarily with Joe, who seemed interested.
Supposing I were autistic... what exactly would repeatedly rubbing my nose in it accomplish? And... would I be morally culpable?
Quote from: Allfader Waffles on October 04, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
Fuck right off, Dodo.
And a very good morning to you as well, Waffles! :D
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 06, 2014, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 04, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
No, but there is one for the disorder characterized by limited or absent theory of mind, including but not limited to the inability to understand why other people will perceive certain statements and behavior as condescending. It's called "autism".
I think I had "inferiority complex" in mind. :) I wasn't 100% sure about it (as I am sure the venerable Cain was!), so I looked up the etymology of 'homosexual'. I found a funny quote, so I thought I'd share it... primarily with Joe, who seemed interested.
Supposing I were autistic... what exactly would repeatedly rubbing my nose in it accomplish? And... would I be morally culpable?
The interesting thing is that the lack of theory of mind only becomes a massive social liability when it's combined with the kind of hubris that insists on denying other people's experience, as in when the affected person is under the delusional belief that they know more about what others are experiencing than they themselves do. So while the deficit itself is not a character or moral flaw, the arrogance of insisting that one's behavior is not condescending, and refusing to modify it accordingly despite being told repeatedly that others are perceiving it as such, is.
It pleases me how recursive the above post is, in that it addresses some of the very problems brought to light in the OP, while simultaneously thoroughly answering Dodo's question.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 06, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
It pleases me how recursive the above post is, in that it addresses some of the very problems brought to light in the OP, while simultaneously thoroughly answering Dodo's question.
:lol:
Oh boy...
Quote from: Your Mom on October 06, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 06, 2014, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 04, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
No, but there is one for the disorder characterized by limited or absent theory of mind, including but not limited to the inability to understand why other people will perceive certain statements and behavior as condescending. It's called "autism".
I think I had "inferiority complex" in mind. :) I wasn't 100% sure about it (as I am sure the venerable Cain was!), so I looked up the etymology of 'homosexual'. I found a funny quote, so I thought I'd share it... primarily with Joe, who seemed interested.
Supposing I were autistic... what exactly would repeatedly rubbing my nose in it accomplish? And... would I be morally culpable?
The interesting thing is that the lack of theory of mind only becomes a massive social liability when it's combined with the kind of hubris that insists on denying other people's experience, as in when the affected person is under the delusional belief that they know more about what others are experiencing than they themselves do.
I think you are wrong there, and doubly so. Firstly, either way, combined with hubris or not, the lack of a theory of mind, as exhibited by severely autistic people, is a massive social liability. More interestingly, it seems practically tautological that having a theory of mind is a necessary condition for having the delusional belief that one knows more about what others are experiencing than they themselves do. In order to have experiences, you need to have mind. So, in order to attribute experiences to others, you need to have a theory of mind that you apply to them. So, I think, one could have the delusional belief about others that you were describing, or one could suffer from autism, but not both at the same time. :)
Quote from: Your Mom on October 06, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
So while the deficit itself is not a character or moral flaw, the arrogance of insisting that one's behavior is not condescending, and refusing to modify it accordingly despite being told repeatedly that others are perceiving it as such, is.
Given the above, we're left with the assertion that the arrogance of insisting that one's behaviour is not condescending, and refusing to modify it accordingly despite being told repeatedly that others are perceiving it as such, is a character or moral flaw.
I think that very much depends on whether those others perceive correctly or not. Is arrogance in the eye of the beholder? I think that's going too far. It seems clearly possible to be wrong about whether another person is arrogant (cultural mismatch, rather different linguistic habits, lack of sufficient communication for a robust conclusion... there are probably other possible reasons.
Is it possible to be condescending without noticing? I think that's a question of definition. We can decide whether the intention to condescend is an essential part of the concept or not. I think I prefer to say yes to that question and call a person who appears to be condescending without intending to be condescending just socially inept, sometimes even naive (early teens are very good at this) - this way, it is much easier to learn not to take offence.
In this particular instance, I had no intention to be condescending. There have been other times, when I permitted myself to use a condescening tone on this forum: when I thought that the views I encountered (correctly or incorrectly) were not only wrong, but really laughably so, or when I was responding to abusive condescension. Much the same has been done to me, repeatedly, in fact, it seems to be done to most newcomers, which is puzzling, hence interesting... I've been told that while I do not experience myself as an aspie, I am in fact one, I was told that while I do not experience myself as a racist person, I am in fact one, I was told that while I do not experience myself as arrogant and have no intention of being arrogant, I am in fact continuously insufferably arrogant. One of the last times this happened, I was accused of obliquely responding to Alty's relationship troubles in an insensitive, rude and downright rotten fashion, which I wasn't... but I was told that I was. Quite likely (well, unless I am just ignored, which is also a strong possibility), I will now be told that I am lying. Are those character or moral flaws as well?
The fact is, after some ups and downs, several of the most vocal members decided that I was an arrogant attention-seeking prick not worth any attention, unless, possibly, as a target for abuse to alleviate boredom. Hooray.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 06, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
YAWN
Tldr... but
The fact is, after some ups and downs, several of the most vocal members decided that I was an arrogant attention-seeking prick not worth any attention, unless, possibly, as a target for abuse to alleviate boredom. Hooray.
So if you feel unappreciated or abused leave. The door swings both ways right?
I appreciate that you sought to answer my simple off topic question, but you could have gone with "hey Joe, looked it up. It's used in both. Link= httpwhatever."
You just go on... here for you:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase)
It's rather fascinating how this board tends to make people double down on their positions.
Crazy people start screaming at Roger and Nigel about the thing from 20 years ago that they feel strongly about or film adverts being really real.
Racists wait for the opportunity to just drop any semblance of humanity and start screaming about them folk from not round here who look different.
And the dullards, well, need I say more?
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on October 06, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
So if you feel unappreciated or abused leave. The door swings both ways right?
Too right. But making it a habitual policy leads to no end of trouble. And attempting to clear up hopeless misunderstandings in absurdist ways is as legitimate a hobby as any.
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I just find it fascinating that he absolutely refuses to allow for the validity of other people's perceptions of his posts. As far as he's concerned, everyone else's perceptions are WRONG and he is objectively RIGHT and that's all there is to that. Plus walls of text I'm guessing few bother to read. :lol:
It all seems to basically boil down to "I don't intend my behavior to be obnoxious, therefore it isn't, regardless of how other people perceive it".
Actually, bye.
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For the record, when you come back and read this to see if anyone objects to you leaving, the socially adept way of responding to the information that other people perceived something you said as condescending, rude, insensitive, racist, or otherwise abrasive is "I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way, let me rethink what I'm trying to say".
And then to actually rethink it, possibly, hopefully, even coming to an understanding of why the other person perceived it the way they did.
For the record. I did that twice. Works elsewhere, not here.
Yeah, but that's not some sort of blanket absolution. If you continue saying the same crap, you'll get the same response.
Like, if I hit myself in the junk with a hammer, then said, "whoops. Shouldn't have done that," it doesn't mean it won't hurt if I continue to hit myself in the junk.
To me, it seemed more like this:
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"No I didn't"
- more voices join in -
"Yes, you did, you sad, ridiculous bastard. We know your type."
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 12, 2014, 07:23:49 AM
To me, it seemed more like this:
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"No I didn't"
- more voices join in -
"Yes, you did, you sad, ridiculous bastard. We know your type."
Please note the complete absence of reframing your initial point, and instead immediately becoming defensive, actually.
"But I am SMARTER than other monkeys, goddamnit, and this new tribe is going to LEARN IT!!1!"
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 12, 2014, 12:51:39 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 12, 2014, 07:23:49 AM
To me, it seemed more like this:
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"No I didn't"
- more voices join in -
"Yes, you did, you sad, ridiculous bastard. We know your type."
Please note the complete absence of reframing your initial point, and instead immediately becoming defensive, actually.
You got me there, fair enough.
But let me reframe my initial point.
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"Actually, what I meant to do was something quite different, it was..."
- more voices join in -
"No it wasn't, you sad, ridiculous, backpedalling bastard"
"Let me try to explain..."
"Shut the fuck up already!"
Yea, it is entirely that you're a poor, beleaguered, misunderstood soul, and none if it has in any way to do with your own behavior.
Don't worry, Dodo. While some of these other people are refusing to play along with your 'unjust persecution' interpretation of events, I am more than willing to totally write you off for no reason at all, other than that you don't seem to be very well liked by anyone else, because I want to support you and your position.
So fuck you and you're welcome.
ACTUALLY, it's everyone else who is at fault. Not Dodo. He's a special snowflake.
But but but, if he could just make us UNDERSTAND that we're totally taking everything he says wrong, and we should just assume that everything he says he means in the best, most intelligent and respectful of ways possible.
It's hard for me to make fun of the guy, given that his position here so very well mirrors mine before I learned better.
Which is why my only other post in this thread was quoting myself from the Story of Trix.
Quote from: Pæs on October 13, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
Don't worry, Dodo. While some of these other people are refusing to play along with your 'unjust persecution' interpretation of events, I am more than willing to totally write you off for no reason at all, other than that you don't seem to be very well liked by anyone else, because I want to support you and your position.
So fuck you and you're welcome.
:lulz:
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 13, 2014, 02:10:05 AM
But let me reframe my initial point.
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"Actually, what I meant to do was something quite different, it was..."
- more voices join in -
"No it wasn't, you sad, ridiculous, backpedalling bastard"
"Let me try to explain..."
"Shut the fuck up already!"
How many years has it been? And you're just figuring this out now?
It's almost like you have trouble communicating.
Quote from: Junkenstein on October 06, 2014, 10:43:07 PM
It's rather fascinating how this board tends to make people double down on their positions.
Crazy people start screaming at Roger and Nigel about the thing from 20 years ago that they feel strongly about or film adverts being really real.
Racists wait for the opportunity to just drop any semblance of humanity and start screaming about them folk from not round here who look different.
And the dullards, well, need I say more?
It's amazing. They get burned, so they pull their underwear onto their head and run screaming at the wall.
I have never been able to explain it.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 06, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 06, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 06, 2014, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 04, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Skinsaw on October 04, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
I think it's important to remember that in Dodo, we are dealing with the actual smartest user of the board; a person who knows American English better than those for whom it is their native tongue. He may not be a trained linguist or etymologist, but his years of experience translating technical documents gives him knowledge much deeper and broader than anyone who has studied English or, certainly, merely grown up speaking it.
Therefore, we should not argue with his corrections, however condescending, but instead, bow our heads before his wisdom.
Is there a name for the disorder characterised by the obsessive attribution of condescension?
No, but there is one for the disorder characterized by limited or absent theory of mind, including but not limited to the inability to understand why other people will perceive certain statements and behavior as condescending. It's called "autism".
I think I had "inferiority complex" in mind. :) I wasn't 100% sure about it (as I am sure the venerable Cain was!), so I looked up the etymology of 'homosexual'. I found a funny quote, so I thought I'd share it... primarily with Joe, who seemed interested.
Supposing I were autistic... what exactly would repeatedly rubbing my nose in it accomplish? And... would I be morally culpable?
The interesting thing is that the lack of theory of mind only becomes a massive social liability when it's combined with the kind of hubris that insists on denying other people's experience, as in when the affected person is under the delusional belief that they know more about what others are experiencing than they themselves do.
I think you are wrong there, and doubly so. Firstly, either way, combined with hubris or not, the lack of a theory of mind, as exhibited by severely autistic people, is a massive social liability. More interestingly, it seems practically tautological that having a theory of mind is a necessary condition for having the delusional belief that one knows more about what others are experiencing than they themselves do. In order to have experiences, you need to have mind. So, in order to attribute experiences to others, you need to have a theory of mind that you apply to them. So, I think, one could have the delusional belief about others that you were describing, or one could suffer from autism, but not both at the same time. :)
Quote from: Your Mom on October 06, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
So while the deficit itself is not a character or moral flaw, the arrogance of insisting that one's behavior is not condescending, and refusing to modify it accordingly despite being told repeatedly that others are perceiving it as such, is.
Given the above, we're left with the assertion that the arrogance of insisting that one's behaviour is not condescending, and refusing to modify it accordingly despite being told repeatedly that others are perceiving it as such, is a character or moral flaw.
I think that very much depends on whether those others perceive correctly or not. Is arrogance in the eye of the beholder? I think that's going too far. It seems clearly possible to be wrong about whether another person is arrogant (cultural mismatch, rather different linguistic habits, lack of sufficient communication for a robust conclusion... there are probably other possible reasons.
Is it possible to be condescending without noticing? I think that's a question of definition. We can decide whether the intention to condescend is an essential part of the concept or not. I think I prefer to say yes to that question and call a person who appears to be condescending without intending to be condescending just socially inept, sometimes even naive (early teens are very good at this) - this way, it is much easier to learn not to take offence.
In this particular instance, I had no intention to be condescending. There have been other times, when I permitted myself to use a condescening tone on this forum: when I thought that the views I encountered (correctly or incorrectly) were not only wrong, but really laughably so, or when I was responding to abusive condescension. Much the same has been done to me, repeatedly, in fact, it seems to be done to most newcomers, which is puzzling, hence interesting... I've been told that while I do not experience myself as an aspie, I am in fact one, I was told that while I do not experience myself as a racist person, I am in fact one, I was told that while I do not experience myself as arrogant and have no intention of being arrogant, I am in fact continuously insufferably arrogant. One of the last times this happened, I was accused of obliquely responding to Alty's relationship troubles in an insensitive, rude and downright rotten fashion, which I wasn't... but I was told that I was. Quite likely (well, unless I am just ignored, which is also a strong possibility), I will now be told that I am lying. Are those character or moral flaws as well?
The fact is, after some ups and downs, several of the most vocal members decided that I was an arrogant attention-seeking prick not worth any attention, unless, possibly, as a target for abuse to alleviate boredom. Hooray.
NOTHING EVER CHANGES.
Quote from: Your Mom on October 13, 2014, 08:22:51 AM
Yea, it is entirely that you're a poor, beleaguered, misunderstood soul, and none if it has in any way to do with your own behavior.
No, it has a great deal to do with my behaviour. I joined the board in a really cocky mood, made the mistake of thinking I could just join the banter and become a regular
immediately, which was stupid. Then I kicked entirely the wrong bucket with the homeopathy thing, which was also cocky and stupid. After that: the archaic minds were different to modern minds, the 3rd world cities have deep differences to 1st world cities, the self-employed translation business has some similarity to sex work thing... I still think those were interesting points, but I came off as condescening, hardly ever
stopped to think about it and achieved arsehole status in double-quick time. Since then, I've been sporadically present, unable to get out from under the rock I certainly helped put on me.
Quote from: Pæs on October 13, 2014, 09:09:31 AM
Don't worry, Dodo. While some of these other people are refusing to play along with your 'unjust persecution' interpretation of events, I am more than willing to totally write you off for no reason at all, other than that you don't seem to be very well liked by anyone else, because I want to support you and your position.
So fuck you and you're welcome.
You are too kind, sir! :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2014, 12:33:15 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 13, 2014, 02:10:05 AM
But let me reframe my initial point.
- hit myself in the junk with the hammer -
"Oops, shouldn't have done that"
"But you wanted to, 'cos that's what you are like."
"Actually, what I meant to do was something quite different, it was..."
- more voices join in -
"No it wasn't, you sad, ridiculous, backpedalling bastard"
"Let me try to explain..."
"Shut the fuck up already!"
How many years has it been? And you're just figuring this out now?
It's almost like you have trouble communicating.
It is, isn't it? :oops:
Surprisingly, it's only been 3.5 years and less than fifteen hundred posts, only less than half of those really relevant. By
my standards, that's excellent going. I have some major ruts it took me over 30 years to get out of. I smoked dope all the time I was awake for about 15. So 3.5 years (provided I am making some progress here, we'll see) - not bad.
For all of this, I should add, I am kinda grateful. :aaa:
WAIT. DODO IS HOLIST?
OKAY, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. AS YOU WERE, EVERYONE.
Quote from: Pæs on October 14, 2014, 03:21:50 AM
WAIT. DODO IS HOLIST?
OKAY, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. AS YOU WERE, EVERYONE.
Oh. You didn't know. Damn! :?
No! I decided to shun you independently of your holistic history. Opportunity wasted!
It's never too late!
ANYWAY, back to tumblr.
I was just over there laughing at SJW's, when a particularly brilliant gem stood out from the rest of the poo.
An American lady was saying that it is intolerable that Black women aren't given lead roles in anime films.
I think she got her cultural appropriation into my peanut butter.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 14, 2014, 02:46:09 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 13, 2014, 08:22:51 AM
Yea, it is entirely that you're a poor, beleaguered, misunderstood soul, and none if it has in any way to do with your own behavior.
No, it has a great deal to do with my behaviour. I joined the board in a really cocky mood, made the mistake of thinking I could just join the banter and become a regular immediately, which was stupid. Then I kicked entirely the wrong bucket with the homeopathy thing, which was also cocky and stupid. After that: the archaic minds were different to modern minds, the 3rd world cities have deep differences to 1st world cities, the self-employed translation business has some similarity to sex work thing... I still think those were interesting points, but I came off as condescening, hardly ever stopped to think about it and achieved arsehole status in double-quick time. Since then, I've been sporadically present, unable to get out from under the rock I certainly helped put on me.
Well, it's good that you have that level of reflection. I actually don't think it's impossible for you to break out of the perception set in place about you here, but it might take a fair amount of work because people are primed to view your posts in a certain light, and people here have a lower tolerance for pedantry than many other social circles I've been involved in.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2014, 04:42:40 AM
ANYWAY, back to tumblr.
I was just over there laughing at SJW's, when a particularly brilliant gem stood out from the rest of the poo.
An American lady was saying that it is intolerable that Black women aren't given lead roles in anime films.
I think she got her cultural appropriation into my peanut butter.
I think we would call that "American entitlement". :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 14, 2014, 04:42:40 AM
ANYWAY, back to tumblr.
I was just over there laughing at SJW's, when a particularly brilliant gem stood out from the rest of the poo.
An American lady was saying that it is intolerable that Black women aren't given lead roles in anime films.
I think she got her cultural appropriation into my peanut butter.
The mind boggles.
Although that's not tumblr, it reminds me of the question that the amazing Ali G posed for the director of the London Opera House:
"Donchu fink iss to'ally discriminationalist dat U only allow people that can hactually sing to sing 'ere?"
Holist gave RWHN his log in info.
Calling it now.
What gives you that idea? I did not! If someone with access to IPs confirmed that in that case, that wannabe drug czar has moved to Hungary, I'd thank them for it.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 15, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
What gives you that idea? I did not! If someone with access to IPs confirmed that in that case, that wannabe drug czar has moved to Hungary, I'd thank them for it.
I'd thank Satan himself if RWHN moved to Hungary.
But he wouldn't do that unless it presented more opportunities to be an authoritarian punishment fetishist.
Quote from: Your Mom on October 16, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 15, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
What gives you that idea? I did not! If someone with access to IPs confirmed that in that case, that wannabe drug czar has moved to Hungary, I'd thank them for it.
I'd thank Satan himself if RWHN moved to Hungary.
:lulz: I MEAN :argh!: THANK YOU!
Quote from: Your Mom on October 16, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
But he wouldn't do that unless it presented more opportunities to be an authoritarian punishment fetishist.
You've not been following the news from our glorious land, the System of National Cooperation (honest to God, that's what they's calling it)... oh, noes...
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 16, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 16, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 15, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
What gives you that idea? I did not! If someone with access to IPs confirmed that in that case, that wannabe drug czar has moved to Hungary, I'd thank them for it.
I'd thank Satan himself if RWHN moved to Hungary.
:lulz: I MEAN :argh!: THANK YOU!
Quote from: Your Mom on October 16, 2014, 12:08:10 AM
But he wouldn't do that unless it presented more opportunities to be an authoritarian punishment fetishist.
You've not been following the news from our glorious land, the System of National Cooperation (honest to God, that's what they's calling it)... oh, noes...
Yeah, the trainwreck here has been occupying too much of my attention.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 16, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
You've not been following the news from our glorious land, the System of National Cooperation (honest to God, that's what they's calling it)... oh, noes...
Yeah, it's a good thing we don't have an incarceration level as high as yours, right?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2014, 05:59:30 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 16, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
You've not been following the news from our glorious land, the System of National Cooperation (honest to God, that's what they's calling it)... oh, noes...
Yeah, it's a good thing we don't have an incarceration level as high as yours, right?
:lulz:
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2014, 05:59:30 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 16, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
You've not been following the news from our glorious land, the System of National Cooperation (honest to God, that's what they's calling it)... oh, noes...
Yeah, it's a good thing we don't have an incarceration level as high as yours, right?
Our glorious government can't afford the prisons (though PPP ones are being built), but on the other hand, we have unemployment support for 3 months, after which the options are a) nothing, b) full time unskilled physical labour allocated by the municipality, for about 240 dollars a month.
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 11, 2014, 07:05:22 PM
Actually, bye.
You effin tease... I thought, for just a moment there, you were gonna really flounce. Don't hold back Holist cum Dodo... give yourself over to the flounce completely.
I've heard there's a mystical state of 'permanent flounce'
attainable only by true masters.
I know you can do it!
Let it happen.
Quote from: a somewhat wiser Joe. on October 21, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on October 11, 2014, 07:05:22 PM
Actually, bye.
You effin tease... I thought, for just a moment there, you were gonna really flounce. Don't hold back Holist cum Dodo... give yourself over to the flounce completely.
I've heard there's a mystical state of 'permanent flounce'
attainable only by true masters.
I know you can do it!
Let it happen.
Maybe later.
It's Nigel's fault!
:)