Hi Internet! I heard you're having some problems with the ladies lately. Specifically, the ladies keep saying things about not harassing them on the street or fucking them while they're blackout drunk and some of you are scared this means you will never get to have sex ever. Never fear! I committed horrible crimes in a past life and my penance is to help you awful troglodytes with your problems. If I'm really good this time they'll let me reincarnate as one of those sewage eating microbes instead!
Don't put your dick in anyone that can't talk. Passed out? No dick. Too drunk to words? No dick. Bound and gagged in your basement and you have no idea how they got there? No dick. Also you might want to let them go or something.
Don't put your dick in anyone who refuses to admit they want to fuck. Girl wants you to wheedle her into having sex? Send her packing. You're not a mind reader and if she wants to play consent games she needs to learn how to have that conversation ahead of time or she's just training rapists. And you are not a trainee rapist.
Don't put your dick in anyone who doesn't look happy about it. Some people get weird ideas in their head about "owing" people sex, or someone might be physically intimidated by you, or in a bad space in their head and too messed up to air the problem. Whatever is going on, you do not want your dick involved in it.
Remove your dick immediately from anyone who passes out, goes limp, starts crying, shoves you away, or otherwise withdraws consent. Whatever's going on is not cool. Before you figure out what went wrong, get your dick away from the problem. Problems are dangerous places for penises.
Communicate like a fucking adult. Be clear about the things you want. Make sure your partner knows that the things they want are relevant to your interests, and actually fucking listen to each other. Make sure that "no" and "maybe some other time" are acceptable answers for both parties. You don't have to be in a long term relationship or even be in love or any of that shit to be able to negotiate like grownups.
What's funny is that I know a shit ton of guys who get mad laid without ever getting their dicks even vaguely near any of those scenarios... in fact, it seems to HELP them get laid!
Sex in those scenarios doesn't seem like any fun, anyway.
Things you didn't want to know about EoC's dick: it wants nothing to do with getting wet unless there's trust on both sides of it. Like a dick sandwich on trust bread. Then it's like awww yeeaaah.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 31, 2014, 01:43:27 AM
Things you didn't want to know about EoC's dick: it wants nothing to do with getting wet unless there's trust on both sides of it. Like a dick sandwich on trust bread. Then it's like awww yeeaaah.
:aaa::1fap:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013870/Robber-broke-hair-salon-beaten-black-belt-owner-kept-sex-slave-days-fed-Viagra.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013870/Robber-broke-hair-salon-beaten-black-belt-owner-kept-sex-slave-days-fed-Viagra.html)
No dick opression, nao rape? :fnord:
[/snobbery]
Derail moar, plz.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 02, 2014, 01:42:33 AM
Derail moar, plz.
If you want a split, let me know which reply number it starts at.
BUT MEN GET RAPED TOO SO THE OP IS INVALID, RITE?
:facepalm:
I was raped by a chick once. It was great
Yeah this thread somehow went really south.
I swear, there's some kind of curse with QG.
Seriously, every time there's a new thread it's always awesome for the first half dozen responses and then something always seems to go horribly, horribly wrong.
Someone get funding, studies should be done here.
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
I expected this from MMMW. Not so much from Johnny.
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
Well, we're certainly not going to blame
ourselves. This is America.
Quote from: MMMW on November 03, 2014, 02:30:39 AM
I was raped by a chick once. It was great
HA HA HA
HA HA
HA
:fuckoff:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
I expected this from MMMW. Not so much from Johnny.
yea, failure to punch up from MMMW.
it's not like men who are sexually assaulted get ignored and not taken seriously to a ridiculous degree. /sarcasm
I'm not saying they have it worse than women, cause it's all a symptom of toxic gendered ideas whichever way you slice it, but there is less provision and support available for dudes.
enthusiastic consent good!
shitty jokes about sexual assault survivors, bloody awful. :argh!:
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
I expected this from MMMW. Not so much from Johnny.
yea, failure to punch up from MMMW.
it's not like men who are sexually assaulted get ignored and not taken seriously to a ridiculous degree. /sarcasm
I'm not saying they have it worse than women, cause it's all a symptom of toxic gendered ideas whichever way you slice it, but there is less provision and support available for dudes.
Not really the point. MMMW thought this was a good subject for humor. We attract a certain amount of fucking whackjobs and/or perpetual teens, and that's just one example.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
I expected this from MMMW. Not so much from Johnny.
yea, failure to punch up from MMMW.
it's not like men who are sexually assaulted get ignored and not taken seriously to a ridiculous degree. /sarcasm
I'm not saying they have it worse than women, cause it's all a symptom of toxic gendered ideas whichever way you slice it, but there is less provision and support available for dudes.
Not really the point. MMMW thought this was a good subject for humor. We attract a certain amount of fucking whackjobs and/or perpetual teens, and that's just one example.
true.
I was just pissing in MMMW's wheaties,
Enthusiastic consent is good for both sides. Girls are increasingly being told they're allowed to be at least a little assertive in sexual situations and they don't have a lot of good models for not being terrible either, so they can end up modelling their behavior on existing toxic masculine stereotypes.
That doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, women are more likely than men to be victims of rape, and men are more likely than women to be rapists. Talking about male victims of rape is super important, but it can't hijack every discussion about the problem, and it really can't be the response every time someone wants to talk about better models for consent and how to specifically teach boys to recognize and ask for consent.
In fact, the only group that I'm totally okay with hijacking these discussions are trans folks who desperately need recognition of the fact that they are disproportionately the victims of sexual violence, and are almost completely left out of the discussion.
Talking to men and boys about how to get consent in terms of "here's the rules of how you get your dick wet" leaves out the gender of the person they're trying to get sexy with and is a more productive discussion (imo) than "how do we support women who have been raped?" Focusing on damage control after the fact does nothing to reduce the problem in the first place, and fosters the acceptance of rape and sexual violence as a terrible thing that just happens to people and there's fuckall you can do to stop it. Fuck that. We can be better than this shit. Obviously not all sexual violence is going to be stopped in its tracks by having better discussions about consent, but I think it's very telling that people will gladly admit to behaviors that are rape as long as you don't attach the "r" word to them. Most of us do not want to be rapists. Most rapists do not view themselves as rapists.
And I'm rambling but whatever, shit's been on my mind.
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Something about it seems familiar.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Something about it seems familiar.
Ya think?
Woman brings up stats on rape, or anything remotely similar, at least one guy is COMPELLED to attempt to refute said statement, or start whining about "feminazis" (or just make unfunny jokes). You can set your watch to it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Something about it seems familiar.
Ya think?
Woman brings up stats on rape, or anything remotely similar, at least one guy is COMPELLED to attempt to refute said statement, or start whining about "feminazis" (or just make unfunny jokes). You can set your watch to it.
It's deflection. The idea that not raping people is a choice that can be made by following certain reasonable lines of thought seems to make some people uncomfortable.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Something about it seems familiar.
Ya think?
Woman brings up stats on rape, or anything remotely similar, at least one guy is COMPELLED to attempt to refute said statement, or start whining about "feminazis" (or just make unfunny jokes). You can set your watch to it.
It's deflection. The idea that not raping people is a choice that can be made by following certain reasonable lines of thought seems to make some people uncomfortable.
You can get the same behavior by saying "Bush closed VA hospitals" or "Obama is still bombing 3rd world nations". No matter how heinous the behavior, someone will feel the need to "keep the side up".
Well, I dont agree with MMMW's comment and tendency.
As to explain why I wrote what i wrote: while I was writing it, it was a light-hearted criticism as the tendency that i have seen that only women can be raped, that men de-facto cannot be raped, and that only people with penises can rape. I also wanted tried to make it clear it wasnt an entirely serious comment with the "/snobbery" on my part, which was indeed a bit of a snobbish nitpick of the OP.
While i still think my point has validity, the way i expressed it and in the context i expressed it was of bad taste, so, my apologies.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
....That doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, women are more likely than men to be victims of rape, and men are more likely than women to be rapists. Talking about male victims of rape is super important, but it can't hijack every discussion about the problem, and it really can't be the response every time someone wants to talk about better models for consent and how to specifically teach boys to recognize and ask for consent....
Point, this is why im sorry.
A sincere apology is always classy. Well-done.
Quote from: The Johnny on November 04, 2014, 12:53:07 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
....That doesn't change the fact that statistically speaking, women are more likely than men to be victims of rape, and men are more likely than women to be rapists. Talking about male victims of rape is super important, but it can't hijack every discussion about the problem, and it really can't be the response every time someone wants to talk about better models for consent and how to specifically teach boys to recognize and ask for consent....
Point, this is why im sorry.
Accepted.
Just assessing the damage. Good job on a quick recovery and repair guys! Just keeping you guys sharp! :fnord:
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
Just assessing the damage. Good job on a quick recovery and repair guys! Just keeping you guys sharp! :fnord:
So I have a 15-year-old son who is both more clever and more socially astute than you are. How does that make you feel?
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 04, 2014, 05:29:05 AM
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
Just assessing the damage. Good job on a quick recovery and repair guys! Just keeping you guys sharp! :fnord:
So I have a 15-year-old son who is both more clever and more socially astute than you are. How does that make you feel?
Relieved! I'm a purposefully retarded cyber avatar. I would fear for the human species if I could ever out wit them!
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 03, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 03, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on November 03, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 03, 2014, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 03, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
I'm not sure this is a me problem...
I'm quite sure it is not.
It does appear to affect you/your threads in a disproportionate way. Unfortunately.
Q.G's awesome does seem to bring out a monkey response. Or maybe it's a touch of Lewis' Law or #notalllmenz
Something about it seems familiar.
Ya think?
Woman brings up stats on rape, or anything remotely similar, at least one guy is COMPELLED to attempt to refute said statement, or start whining about "feminazis" (or just make unfunny jokes). You can set your watch to it.
It's deflection. The idea that not raping people is a choice that can be made by following certain reasonable lines of thought seems to make some people uncomfortable.
And no. Just futile.
Rapists thinking reasonably...
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
Just assessing the damage. Good job on a quick recovery and repair guys! Just keeping you guys sharp! :fnord:
Jesus. Shut the fuck up.
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 05:52:14 AM
And no. Just futile.
Rapists thinking reasonably...
Most rapists don't think they're rapists. Much as you presumably don't think you're an asshole.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 04, 2014, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
Just assessing the damage. Good job on a quick recovery and repair guys! Just keeping you guys sharp! :fnord:
Jesus. Shut the fuck up.
I think that I'm just gonna unsee this idiot.
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 04, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
I know it's the wrong reaction but it's just so depressing that people still need this shit explaining to them. There's nothing remotely controversial or radical in the content, it's just a simple outline of how to act like a reasonable human. This shouldn't be a high expectation but once again, it appears to be.
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 04, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 04, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
I know it's the wrong reaction but it's just so depressing that people still need this shit explaining to them. There's nothing remotely controversial or radical in the content, it's just a simple outline of how to act like a reasonable human. This shouldn't be a high expectation but once again, it appears to be.
Huh. I have the opposite reaction. I enjoy reading tips and guidelines that I wholeheartedly agree with, it makes me feel like I'm part of a group I actually want to be a part of.
Maybe this is a sense of community? I don't think I have experienced it enough to recognize it.
It is like reading a well written moralizing children's story (for example: The Tiffany Aching storyline in Pratchett's Disworld books). It doesn't feel like someone is telling me how to act or think, it feels more like someone is agreeing with me. And that is always a nice feeling.
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 04, 2014, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 05:52:14 AM
And no. Just futile.
Rapists thinking reasonably...
Most rapists don't think they're rapists. Much as you presumably don't think you're an asshole.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, and one that doesn't get much time. When people say "RAPE" and "RAPIST," for some reason, they think of some badly-costumed mime hopping out from behind a bush, clubbing a lady over the head and dragging her into an alley. That happens, of course, but it's less than half of the cases. And that's part of the reason the OP in this thread is meaningful.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HOLD A KNIFE TO SOMEONE AND FORCE YOURSELF ON HER (
or him) doesn't mean you can't be guilty of rape. Rape isn't even always a violent act. Sometimes there's a grey area, and that's the red flag:
IF THERE'S A GREY AREA, DO NOT PROCEED.
Personally, I am loathe to consider myself a predator. I do not disrespect women, I do not cat-call, I think of them as people and not as objects. I am the last person who would ever rape anyone. And yet, I have had the opportunity to follow the advice in the OP! Multiple times! Luckily for all involved, following that kind of advice is something of a second nature to me, but it was
still a choice.
That's why it's important to remind people that rapists do not, as a rule, consider themselves rapists. In fact the entire mindset that leads to rape can prevent such a self-identification, because in order to recognize a rape you have to recognize a victim. And rapists, both the violent forceful kind and the slimy opportunist kind, fail to recognize their victim. They don't see a person there, they only see an object. So it has to be repeated, and when it is derailed it has to be brought back in line, because when so many people lack the internal narrative that the people around them ARE FUCKING CONSCIOUS, it has to become a public broadcast. Not because it will fix the assholes who can't make the right choice, but because it will remind those of us who CAN make the right choice to DO SO.
Quote from: V3X on November 13, 2014, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 04, 2014, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: MMMW on November 04, 2014, 05:52:14 AM
And no. Just futile.
Rapists thinking reasonably...
Most rapists don't think they're rapists. Much as you presumably don't think you're an asshole.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT, and one that doesn't get much time. When people say "RAPE" and "RAPIST," for some reason, they think of some badly-costumed mime hopping out from behind a bush, clubbing a lady over the head and dragging her into an alley. That happens, of course, but it's less than half of the cases. And that's part of the reason the OP in this thread is meaningful.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DID NOT HOLD A KNIFE TO SOMEONE AND FORCE YOURSELF ON HER (or him) doesn't mean you can't be guilty of rape. Rape isn't even always a violent act. Sometimes there's a grey area, and that's the red flag: IF THERE'S A GREY AREA, DO NOT PROCEED.
Personally, I am loathe to consider myself a predator. I do not disrespect women, I do not cat-call, I think of them as people and not as objects. I am the last person who would ever rape anyone. And yet, I have had the opportunity to follow the advice in the OP! Multiple times! Luckily for all involved, following that kind of advice is something of a second nature to me, but it was still a choice.
That's why it's important to remind people that rapists do not, as a rule, consider themselves rapists. In fact the entire mindset that leads to rape can prevent such a self-identification, because in order to recognize a rape you have to recognize a victim. And rapists, both the violent forceful kind and the slimy opportunist kind, fail to recognize their victim. They don't see a person there, they only see an object. So it has to be repeated, and when it is derailed it has to be brought back in line, because when so many people lack the internal narrative that the people around them ARE FUCKING CONSCIOUS, it has to become a public broadcast. Not because it will fix the assholes who can't make the right choice, but because it will remind those of us who CAN make the right choice to DO SO.
Well said, Vex.
Very well said.
Firstly, Nicely put Vex.
Secondly, QG - Nigels opening comment and Vex's reply might be Big words with a couple of tweaks? Have a look.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 13, 2014, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 04, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 04, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
I know it's the wrong reaction but it's just so depressing that people still need this shit explaining to them. There's nothing remotely controversial or radical in the content, it's just a simple outline of how to act like a reasonable human. This shouldn't be a high expectation but once again, it appears to be.
Huh. I have the opposite reaction. I enjoy reading tips and guidelines that I wholeheartedly agree with, it makes me feel like I'm part of a group I actually want to be a part of.
Maybe this is a sense of community? I don't think I have experienced it enough to recognize it.
It is like reading a well written moralizing children's story (for example: The Tiffany Aching storyline in Pratchett's Disworld books). It doesn't feel like someone is telling me how to act or think, it feels more like someone is agreeing with me. And that is always a nice feeling.
Hmm.
I suspect my aversion may be somewhat on the fact that I do agree with it. Reading things I agree with makes me uncomfortable for many reasons, the first is that you tend to STOP THINKING. That's when all kind of bad shit can happen. If you're not questioning the material and source at all times the chances are you'll fuck up. The second is that when I'm reading shit that I agree with it just baffles me that there's apparently swathes of people that haven't got simple shit down yet. I'd have the same kind of reaction if the piece was about murder or something equally appalling. You just shouldn't have to explain to people by now that this shit is totally unacceptable.
I sincerely hope that this era is remembered with the due disdain and disgust it's earned.
in one of my classes, i read a very good research article concerning a proposed Universal sexual health model; one that i'd really like to post here when it isn't super late at night. it had a pretty thorough and workable outline for promoting a greater degree of sexual health and communication.
Here it is:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6NN1t_PdXNDLWhHNVZEdzVTMGc/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6NN1t_PdXNDLWhHNVZEdzVTMGc/view?usp=sharing)
OP seems pretty common sense, and useful in a fairly basic way. Personally I would like to see more in it on how to actually get with someone, since the title promises that without actually delivering.
My personal tips in that respect are:
Look her in the eyes when you talk to her and when she talks to you, eye contact indicates interest and will help you pay attention to what she is saying as well as possibly help you get her into bed.
Mention that you are interested in her, perhaps in a humorous way so you can feel less rejected if she deflects you.
If she does deflect you let it be, maybe she is playing hard to get, but would you rather miss a chance at sex or come off as a pushy asshole? (hint, if the answer is pushy asshole then you need to work on yourself a bit before trying to get anyone to have sex with you)
These are, of course, pretty basic tips, but the basics are really the most important part, in my opinion.
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Thanks, I couldn't put my finger on the problem with that post.
Uhm, I mean:
NO DAMMIT! WOMEN ARE SLOTMACHINES!
IF YOU THROW THE COIN IN JUST RIGHT AND PULL THE LEVER IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY THEY WILL PUT OUT!
(Don't forget to put on your lucky underwear!)
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 25, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Thanks, I couldn't put my finger on the problem with that post.
Uhm, I mean:
NO DAMMIT! WOMEN ARE SLOTMACHINES!
IF YOU THROW THE COIN IN JUST RIGHT AND PULL THE LEVER IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY THEY WILL PUT OUT!
(Don't forget to put on your lucky underwear!)
Right? What men need are more step-by-step, detailed, practical tips for unlocking the combination to women's vaginas. Because we're all the same, so the same combination will work on all of us once you know it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 31, 2014, 01:40:24 AM
Sex in those scenarios doesn't seem like any fun, anyway.
"She just laid there the whole time."
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2015, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 25, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Thanks, I couldn't put my finger on the problem with that post.
Uhm, I mean:
NO DAMMIT! WOMEN ARE SLOTMACHINES!
IF YOU THROW THE COIN IN JUST RIGHT AND PULL THE LEVER IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY THEY WILL PUT OUT!
(Don't forget to put on your lucky underwear!)
Right? What men need are more step-by-step, detailed, practical tips for unlocking the combination to women's vaginas. Because we're all the same, so the same combination will work on all of us once you know it.
(http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA4LzMwLzA2L0tvbmFtaS4wNTZkMS5qcGcKcAl0aHVtYgk5NTB4NTM0IwplCWpwZw/2d03fc15/bb6/Konami.jpg)
Am I doing it right?
Quote from: Demolition Squid on April 26, 2015, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2015, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 25, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Thanks, I couldn't put my finger on the problem with that post.
Uhm, I mean:
NO DAMMIT! WOMEN ARE SLOTMACHINES!
IF YOU THROW THE COIN IN JUST RIGHT AND PULL THE LEVER IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY THEY WILL PUT OUT!
(Don't forget to put on your lucky underwear!)
Right? What men need are more step-by-step, detailed, practical tips for unlocking the combination to women's vaginas. Because we're all the same, so the same combination will work on all of us once you know it.
(http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDEzLzA4LzMwLzA2L0tvbmFtaS4wNTZkMS5qcGcKcAl0aHVtYgk5NTB4NTM0IwplCWpwZw/2d03fc15/bb6/Konami.jpg)
Am I doing it right?
NOPE!
(It ends in A
then B, silly)
No, Reg. It's B A. But Sqiuddy forgot the [start] button.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2015, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret on April 25, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
Thanks, I couldn't put my finger on the problem with that post.
Uhm, I mean:
NO DAMMIT! WOMEN ARE SLOTMACHINES!
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Quote from: Junkenstein on November 14, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
Firstly, Nicely put Vex.
Secondly, QG - Nigels opening comment and Vex's reply might be Big words with a couple of tweaks? Have a look.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 13, 2014, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 04, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 04, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
I know it's the wrong reaction but it's just so depressing that people still need this shit explaining to them. There's nothing remotely controversial or radical in the content, it's just a simple outline of how to act like a reasonable human. This shouldn't be a high expectation but once again, it appears to be.
Huh. I have the opposite reaction. I enjoy reading tips and guidelines that I wholeheartedly agree with, it makes me feel like I'm part of a group I actually want to be a part of.
Maybe this is a sense of community? I don't think I have experienced it enough to recognize it.
It is like reading a well written moralizing children's story (for example: The Tiffany Aching storyline in Pratchett's Disworld books). It doesn't feel like someone is telling me how to act or think, it feels more like someone is agreeing with me. And that is always a nice feeling.
Hmm.
I suspect my aversion may be somewhat on the fact that I do agree with it. Reading things I agree with makes me uncomfortable for many reasons, the first is that you tend to STOP THINKING. That's when all kind of bad shit can happen. If you're not questioning the material and source at all times the chances are you'll fuck up. The second is that when I'm reading shit that I agree with it just baffles me that there's apparently swathes of people that haven't got simple shit down yet. I'd have the same kind of reaction if the piece was about murder or something equally appalling. You just shouldn't have to explain to people by now that this shit is totally unacceptable.
I sincerely hope that this era is remembered with the due disdain and disgust it's earned.
There are some things that require no deliberation...eating, sleeping, not raping people....
Quote from: Bu☆ns on April 26, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 14, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
Firstly, Nicely put Vex.
Secondly, QG - Nigels opening comment and Vex's reply might be Big words with a couple of tweaks? Have a look.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 13, 2014, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 04, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 04, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
NSFW: hxxp://www.ohjoysextoy.com/consent/
I know it's the wrong reaction but it's just so depressing that people still need this shit explaining to them. There's nothing remotely controversial or radical in the content, it's just a simple outline of how to act like a reasonable human. This shouldn't be a high expectation but once again, it appears to be.
Huh. I have the opposite reaction. I enjoy reading tips and guidelines that I wholeheartedly agree with, it makes me feel like I'm part of a group I actually want to be a part of.
Maybe this is a sense of community? I don't think I have experienced it enough to recognize it.
It is like reading a well written moralizing children's story (for example: The Tiffany Aching storyline in Pratchett's Disworld books). It doesn't feel like someone is telling me how to act or think, it feels more like someone is agreeing with me. And that is always a nice feeling.
Hmm.
I suspect my aversion may be somewhat on the fact that I do agree with it. Reading things I agree with makes me uncomfortable for many reasons, the first is that you tend to STOP THINKING. That's when all kind of bad shit can happen. If you're not questioning the material and source at all times the chances are you'll fuck up. The second is that when I'm reading shit that I agree with it just baffles me that there's apparently swathes of people that haven't got simple shit down yet. I'd have the same kind of reaction if the piece was about murder or something equally appalling. You just shouldn't have to explain to people by now that this shit is totally unacceptable.
I sincerely hope that this era is remembered with the due disdain and disgust it's earned.
There are some things that require no deliberation...eating, sleeping, not raping people....
You have an advantage from the get-go, simply because you see women as "people" and not "a commodity".
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
That is pretty crucial, it also helps to break that down into basic components for people who aren't really sure how to treat a human being that they would like to have sex with.
You have an advantage from the get-go, simply because you see women as "people" and not "a commodity".
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What if someone sees people as a commodity?
Quote from: Meunster on April 27, 2015, 12:12:48 AM
You have an advantage from the get-go, simply because you see women as "people" and not "a commodity".
What if someone sees people as a commodity?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
Quote from: Pergamos on April 26, 2015, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
That is pretty crucial, it also helps to break that down into basic components for people who aren't really sure how to treat a human being that they would like to have sex with.
Protip:
1. Treat them like a human being
2. Based on the above, figure out ways to let them know you find them attractive without being gross or pushy
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 27, 2015, 07:22:51 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 26, 2015, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
That is pretty crucial, it also helps to break that down into basic components for people who aren't really sure how to treat a human being that they would like to have sex with.
Protip:
1. Treat them like a human being
2. Based on the above, figure out ways to let them know you find them attractive without being gross or pushy
This is true, but also way too vague for the sort of socially awkward person who needs tips on how to pick up women.
Quote from: Pergamos on April 27, 2015, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 27, 2015, 07:22:51 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 26, 2015, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 05:37:44 PM
I think you missed the most important one:
1. Treat her like a human being.
That is pretty crucial, it also helps to break that down into basic components for people who aren't really sure how to treat a human being that they would like to have sex with.
Protip:
1. Treat them like a human being
2. Based on the above, figure out ways to let them know you find them attractive without being gross or pushy
This is true, but also way too vague for the sort of socially awkward person who needs tips on how to pick up women.
Anyone who is too socially stunted to be able to follow the simple instruction to treat women like human beings and not be gross and pushy is probably someone who shouldn't breed.
There's no step-by-step. There's no One Great Tip That Will Make Her Say Yes. Women are just as variable as men are, and so the number one most important thing is TREAT THE OTHER PERSON LIKE A HUMAN BEING.
If you relate to them well, and like spending time with them, and they like spending time with you, you might just have a basis for asking a friend how you should go about asking them out. A friend, I say, because a friend will have some kind of clue about what your love interest might like and what they might find completely unappealing or creepy.
If you don't have any friends, start there. You aren't ready for a mate if you can't even manage friendships.
And try for some platonic opposite-sex friendships in which you are actually a friend, and not some whiner who complains about being "friendzoned" or hopes that if you're a good enough friend you will be rewarded with sex.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 27, 2015, 07:07:17 AM
Quote from: Meunster on April 27, 2015, 12:12:48 AM
You have an advantage from the get-go, simply because you see women as "people" and not "a commodity".
What if someone sees people as a commodity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
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:lulz: :lulz: :horrormirth:
Remember when Consumers were known as "People"?
If one can't figure out how to treat women as human, one must start at zero.
Become a friend of a woman. A REAL friend. Someone who honestly respects and honors her, and not just because she's a woman. No expectations, no obligations. When you can consider her an equal, you're ready to take the next step.
For a while I was considering telling this female friend of mine that i had a crush on her for some time now, even going so far as to craft some kind of mushy poem or similar art object to convey my feelings. a male friend of mine who, to his credit, has had more experience in love than me, but also recently broke up with his girlfriend, urged me to reconsider. He said that going there would only make it weird and potentially ruin the shared club meetings she and I hang out at. Am currently considering a middle ground wherein i sit her down and tell her what her friendship has meant to me (boils down to: after my bouts with Tumblr SJWs blew up in my face, it was nice of her to remind me that feminist debates can be rational, productive, and even enjoyable), and letting the chips fall where they may.
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Very common: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36875.msg1359314#msg1359314
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 28, 2015, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Very common: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36875.msg1359314#msg1359314
Yeah! I think by "they get over it" I really meant "it continues to burn for years and casual conversations feel like you're screaming and puking up your soul but it's a good feeling because it's messy and it reminds you that you're human."
I really did not convey that part properly. :lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 28, 2015, 03:44:16 AM
If one can't figure out how to treat women as human, one must start at zero.
Become a friend of a woman. A REAL friend. Someone who honestly respects and honors her, and not just because she's a woman. No expectations, no obligations. When you can consider her an equal, you're ready to take the next step.
impossible, because patriarchy.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 28, 2015, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Very common: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36875.msg1359314#msg1359314
Yeah! I think by "they get over it" I really meant "it continues to burn for years and casual conversations feel like you're screaming and puking up your soul but it's a good feeling because it's messy and it reminds you that you're human."
I really did not convey that part properly. :lulz:
A lot of my friendships have an undercurrent of "I'll always be kinda in love with you". Some are exes, some are people I started to date but it didn't go, some are people I've never dated and never will.
Romantic love is not exclusive to romantic relationships.
huh, never really thought about it like that Nigel. That's an interesting idea. During high school i tended to have that fucked up mentality of trying to turn every female friend i had into a girlfriend, so when i realized how messed up that was I compensated by i guess trying to put a strict delineation between females friends and romantic prospects, which is probably counterproductive, since some of the best relationships come from friendships. Your concept provides a good middle ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM2RUVnTlvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM2RUVnTlvs)
"Football isn't about rape! It's about violently dominating anyone that stands between you and what you want."
I love Amy Schumer.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 29, 2015, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 28, 2015, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Very common: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36875.msg1359314#msg1359314
Yeah! I think by "they get over it" I really meant "it continues to burn for years and casual conversations feel like you're screaming and puking up your soul but it's a good feeling because it's messy and it reminds you that you're human."
I really did not convey that part properly. :lulz:
A lot of my friendships have an undercurrent of "I'll always be kinda in love with you". Some are exes, some are people I started to date but it didn't go, some are people I've never dated and never will.
Romantic love is not exclusive to romantic relationships.
Yeah... yeah. That. All of this.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 29, 2015, 07:14:19 AM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on April 28, 2015, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 28, 2015, 01:13:26 PM
There is nothing actually wrong with expressing that you are interested in a person. People do it all the time, and if it doesn't work out they get over it. It's pretty normal to be attracted to friends. The problem occurs when that is the only thing you see in that person, and when a rejection leads to resentment.
I have been there, and I would be very much surprised if most people haven't. I remain in love with a friend, and we are both aware of it, and when we see one another we enjoy each others' company and talk about trivialities like any two people do.
Your results may vary. Your male friend's advice may be the best one, because as a third party he probably has a better assessment of the situation.
Very common: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=36875.msg1359314#msg1359314
Yeah! I think by "they get over it" I really meant "it continues to burn for years and casual conversations feel like you're screaming and puking up your soul but it's a good feeling because it's messy and it reminds you that you're human."
I really did not convey that part properly. :lulz:
A lot of my friendships have an undercurrent of "I'll always be kinda in love with you". Some are exes, some are people I started to date but it didn't go, some are people I've never dated and never will.
Romantic love is not exclusive to romantic relationships.
Whole buncha this. I'm devoted to my wife, but there's like a dozen other women I love.