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Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 04:04:55 PM

Title: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Everyone gets their monkey on in different ways.  On the East coast, they have THE GAY BAR and all the other shit that comes with proper cities.  Here in Tucson, we have "driving badly" and "irresponsible firearms use" and various plants that make you think you live in the RIGHT universe for a while.  Portland, well, nobody's really sure, but it seems to involve art gallery openings and scooter/hockey stick mayhem of the sort that can only be done right by middle-aged single mothers with teenaged kids driving them batshit.

The point is, if we're gonna have Wrongfun™, we all have to do it our own way, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

But there are those who feel that "fun" should be regulated and controled, so that only Rightfun™ is obtainable.  These are the forces of NO, of STOP, of CALM YOUR TITS.  They are the people who feel that prohibition is a great idea.  They are the people who post "shock" articles on Facebook and howl weird shit about what should be done to Those People depicted in the articles. 

History is full of these assholes, whether they be Stasi or NSA or just the HOA Rules Nazi down the block.  They are against unregulated FUN, and for everyone settling down and being Good Americans™.

I am against these people, brothers and sisters, and I hope you are too.  I hate them and they hate me and that's how everyone likes it.  If they liked me, or even found me amusing from a distance, I would seriously have to reexamine the way I live my life.  They walk around all day with their disapproval stamped to their ugly, pinched faces, screaming at anyone who will listen (and most of those who won't) that "IT'S NOT FUNNY" and "THIS ISN'T A SUBJECT FOR HUMOR".

Yes it is.  I don't care if they're talking about terrorism, the free market, or whatever social justice zealotry they have shackled themselves with...And don't get me wrong, I'm all about egalitarianism, but I was just informed that "fart rape" is a thing, and it doesn't actually matter if that turned out to be a hoax, because if it IS, it hit too close to the bullseye.  No, as the late and unlamented Good Reverend Roger said, "Everything is funny when it happens to someone else...and it's usually still funny when it happens to YOU."

The fact is, you can judge a society on how much it laughs.  The Germans laugh all day, and nobody ever laughs in North Korea.  You decide.  And here in America, 43% of the population is democratic and 43% is republican, leaving only 14% of us laughing.  So we'd better LAUGH UNTIL OUR GUTS BLEED, or accept the fact that this nation is 86% North Korean.

What's really odd about that is that I remember a time when at least the democrats were laughing.  Not the politicians, of course, but the regular person in the street.  But let me ask you:  When was the last time you heard Joe or Jane Sixpack laugh?  I bet it's been a long time.  In fact, I bet they look at you funny when YOU laugh...Like you'd done something inappropriate.  And maybe you had, but that doesn't mean a laugh is a sign of bad manners or bad taste.

And why is this?  Because our society has lost its nerve.  Because our society is BUTTHURT, because being butthurt is both easier and SAFER.  Nobody gets black-bagged for NOT having a good time.  Nobody arrests people for Angry Townhall Face.  Nobody loses their job for sitting utterly rigid in their cube, staring at their monitor...Or joylessly eating their lunch in the breakroom, talking about SAFE subjects like the football game or how well their kids are fitting into the Jello-mould of society.

Is THAT what you want?  It isn't what I want.  I laughed at The Bomb and I laughed at Al Qaeda and now I laugh at the NSA and the republican senate.  And if rumors are true, I'll LAUGH MY ASS OFF when Sarah Palin puts her name on the presidential ballot in 2016. I laugh at preachers doomsaying on account of Gay marriage, and I laugh hysterically while icebergs the size of New Hampshire fall off of Antarctica.

Yes, I laugh at all of these things, all of these things and more.  I bray spittle and laughter in the faces of those who disapprove of my laughing at awful shit most people won't even bring up, because THAT'S WHAT A YETI DOES.  Leave the glum miseryguts bullshit for the Calvinists.  They LIKE that shit.  Because they're NUTS.

Okay for now,
Dok

Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: LMNO on November 17, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
Fart rape?






Also, absofuckinglutely about laughter.  More people need to laugh.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 17, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
Fart rape?


Fart rape.  Google it. 

Thank me later.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: LMNO on November 17, 2014, 05:37:53 PM
 :enough:
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.

The first one.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Ben Shapiro on November 17, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
Fart Rape......

WHY ARE YOU ON TUMBLR?!?!!??!?!?
DO YOU HATE FREEDOM!??!?!?!?
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: Metal Bear on November 17, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
Fart Rape......

WHY ARE YOU ON TUMBLR?!?!!??!?!?
DO YOU HATE FREEDOM!??!?!?!?

It's "leaked out" - if you'll pardon the expression - to Facebook.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Ben Shapiro on November 17, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: Metal Bear on November 17, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
Fart Rape......

WHY ARE YOU ON TUMBLR?!?!!??!?!?
DO YOU HATE FREEDOM!??!?!?!?

It's "leaked out" - if you'll pardon the expression - to Facebook.

This I gotta see.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on November 18, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Everyone gets their monkey on in different ways.  On the East coast, they have THE GAY BAR and all the other shit that comes with proper cities.  Here in Tucson, we have "driving badly" and "irresponsible firearms use" and various plants that make you think you live in the RIGHT universe for a while.  Portland, well, nobody's really sure, but it seems to involve art gallery openings and scooter/hockey stick mayhem of the sort that can only be done right by middle-aged single mothers with teenaged kids driving them batshit.

The point is, if we're gonna have Wrongfun™, we all have to do it our own way, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

But there are those who feel that "fun" should be regulated and controled, so that only Rightfun™ is obtainable.  These are the forces of NO, of STOP, of CALM YOUR TITS.  They are the people who feel that prohibition is a great idea.  They are the people who post "shock" articles on Facebook and howl weird shit about what should be done to Those People depicted in the articles. 

History is full of these assholes, whether they be Stasi or NSA or just the HOA Rules Nazi down the block.  They are against unregulated FUN, and for everyone settling down and being Good Americans™.

I am against these people, brothers and sisters, and I hope you are too.  I hate them and they hate me and that's how everyone likes it.  If they liked me, or even found me amusing from a distance, I would seriously have to reexamine the way I live my life.  They walk around all day with their disapproval stamped to their ugly, pinched faces, screaming at anyone who will listen (and most of those who won't) that "IT'S NOT FUNNY" and "THIS ISN'T A SUBJECT FOR HUMOR".

Yes it is.  I don't care if they're talking about terrorism, the free market, or whatever social justice zealotry they have shackled themselves with...And don't get me wrong, I'm all about egalitarianism, but I was just informed that "fart rape" is a thing, and it doesn't actually matter if that turned out to be a hoax, because if it IS, it hit too close to the bullseye.  No, as the late and unlamented Good Reverend Roger said, "Everything is funny when it happens to someone else...and it's usually still funny when it happens to YOU."

The fact is, you can judge a society on how much it laughs.  The Germans laugh all day, and nobody ever laughs in North Korea.  You decide.  And here in America, 43% of the population is democratic and 43% is republican, leaving only 14% of us laughing.  So we'd better LAUGH UNTIL OUR GUTS BLEED, or accept the fact that this nation is 86% North Korean.

What's really odd about that is that I remember a time when at least the democrats were laughing.  Not the politicians, of course, but the regular person in the street.  But let me ask you:  When was the last time you heard Joe or Jane Sixpack laugh?  I bet it's been a long time.  In fact, I bet they look at you funny when YOU laugh...Like you'd done something inappropriate.  And maybe you had, but that doesn't mean a laugh is a sign of bad manners or bad taste.

And why is this?  Because our society has lost its nerve.  Because our society is BUTTHURT, because being butthurt is both easier and SAFER.  Nobody gets black-bagged for NOT having a good time.  Nobody arrests people for Angry Townhall Face.  Nobody loses their job for sitting utterly rigid in their cube, staring at their monitor...Or joylessly eating their lunch in the breakroom, talking about SAFE subjects like the football game or how well their kids are fitting into the Jello-mould of society.

Is THAT what you want?  It isn't what I want.  I laughed at The Bomb and I laughed at Al Qaeda and now I laugh at the NSA and the republican senate.  And if rumors are true, I'll LAUGH MY ASS OFF when Sarah Palin puts her name on the presidential ballot in 2016. I laugh at preachers doomsaying on account of Gay marriage, and I laugh hysterically while icebergs the size of New Hampshire fall off of Antarctica.

Yes, I laugh at all of these things, all of these things and more.  I bray spittle and laughter in the faces of those who disapprove of my laughing at awful shit most people won't even bring up, because THAT'S WHAT A YETI DOES.  Leave the glum miseryguts bullshit for the Calvinists.  They LIKE that shit.  Because they're NUTS.

Okay for now,
Dok



This! Laughing hysterically. Like a maniac. The more they yell at me, the funnier it gets, the louder I laugh.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: hooplala on November 18, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.

The first one.

That has GOT to be satire.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Cain on November 18, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 18, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.

The first one.

That has GOT to be satire.

It is.

But the thing is, there is nothing so dumb on the internet that someone wont use it to push their agenda, or defend because it's used by other people to attack their agenda.  It's not really about farts at all, it's about "my side, right or absolutely fucking, definitely, no doubts about it, 100% factually wrong."  Because admitting something is stupid is ceding ground to The Enemy.

That and teenagers who dont know better on tumblr, who can turn pretty much anything into A Thing, for at least a day or so.  Remember when Benedict Cumberbatch was a slaver?  Exactly.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2014, 12:59:31 PM
Correction:  It started out as satire.  Now it is Poe's Monster.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: hooplala on November 18, 2014, 01:05:40 PM
...holy shit.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2014, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 18, 2014, 01:05:40 PM
...holy shit.

Yeah, when it leapt from tumblr to facebook, I thought it was a joke.  I posted LOL, but then noticed that I was the only one LOLing.

Not that this stopped me, or encouraged good behavior or anything.  There are limits, and people who would take that seriously have passed those limits.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Junkenstein on November 18, 2014, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 17, 2014, 04:09:08 PM


Also, absofuckinglutely about laughter.  More people need to laugh.

Not just that, people need to learn when it's appropriate to laugh. The right answer here is it is (almost) ALWAYS appropriate to laugh, it's just that the laugh changes somewhat based on the circumstances. I laugh all damn day at most things because most of the time it's the only logical response.

Take today, my last day at this place. Various folk acting strangely around me because it was my last day. What other response can you have beyond "Laugh in their face about this behaviour"?
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 18, 2014, 02:14:28 PM
AMEN, Reverend!

A good one. In places it really reminds me of "Listen, Little Man!" by Doctor Reich. Only he was more angry and serious. Time and time again it is demonstrated: anger and laughter are a winning combination. Thank you.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Sita on November 18, 2014, 02:27:13 PM
People look at me strangely when I smile. I can just imagine the looks if I were to laugh...
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2014, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Sita on November 18, 2014, 02:27:13 PM
People look at me strangely when I smile. I can just imagine the looks if I were to laugh...

That's half the fun.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2014, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

:notfunny:

But yes, it is.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 18, 2014, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 18, 2014, 01:05:40 PM
...holy shit.

Yeah, when it leapt from tumblr to facebook, I thought it was a joke.  I posted LOL, but then noticed that I was the only one LOLing.

Not that this stopped me, or encouraged good behavior or anything.  There are limits, and people who would take that seriously have passed those limits.

NEVER STOP THE LOL

THEY WILL PRY MY LOL OUT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S COLD DEAD HANDS.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: hooplala on November 19, 2014, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.

So do sociopaths find things funny?  Is it only empathy they lack? This probably a question for another thread...
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 19, 2014, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.

So do sociopaths find things funny?  Is it only empathy they lack? This probably a question for another thread...

Yes, they don't necessarily lack affect, just empathy. Seems to be related to underactivity in the amygdala, whereas humor is in the lower frontal lobes.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/412229

UNRELATED: While I was looking for the above link, I happened upon this article, which is kinda jaw-droppingly, shockingly sexist. http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/01/hitchens200701#
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 20, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 18, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 18, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.

The first one.

That has GOT to be satire.

That and teenagers who dont know better on tumblr, who can turn pretty much anything into A Thing, for at least a day or so.  Remember when Benedict Cumberbatch was a slaver?  Exactly.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 20, 2014, 03:46:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.

Can I argue with that? Just a little? :)

First, I think you can believe in good and bad and still laugh at everything. You can be crying your heart out and still be laughing... you can be angry as fuck and still be laughing.

Second: calling 'good' and 'bad' arbitrary labels can be a sign of sociopathy... but I think it can also be a sign of the postconventional person. As  Thaddeus Golas said:

"When your consciousness is open, any action you take in reference to evil has no more significance than digging a ditch to channel floodwaters from a house." - in The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment

Which, don't get me wrong, is a fair bit of significance. In fact, it is all there is.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Cain on November 20, 2014, 08:34:57 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 20, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 18, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 18, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on November 17, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Do you mean the 'a man farting louder than a woman is fart-raping her' (http://thewaterpipe.wordpress.com/2013/12/22/can-a-fart-be-misogynist/) thing, or do you mean the 'forcing someone to pretend to enjoy your farts' (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2010/04/08/fart-fetish-leads-to-rape/) thing?
Because the latter is a lot close to rape than the first IMHO.

The first one.

That has GOT to be satire.

That and teenagers who dont know better on tumblr, who can turn pretty much anything into A Thing, for at least a day or so.  Remember when Benedict Cumberbatch was a slaver?  Exactly.

Wait, what?

Jezebel had a fairly reasonable (http://jezebel.com/so-benedict-cumberbatchs-ancestors-were-slave-owners-1514873112) take on this (for once), but it quickly descended from "doesn't have to apologise but would be nice" to "Benedict Cumberbatch is the modern embodient of the Nazi White Power structure" because social media.

There's also a certain delicious irony in (mostly) Americans getting all righteous about British slavery, but that's another matter entirely.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on November 20, 2014, 09:00:53 AM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on November 20, 2014, 03:46:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.

Can I argue with that? Just a little? :)

First, I think you can believe in good and bad and still laugh at everything. You can be crying your heart out and still be laughing... you can be angry as fuck and still be laughing.

Second: calling 'good' and 'bad' arbitrary labels can be a sign of sociopathy... but I think it can also be a sign of the postconventional person. As  Thaddeus Golas said:

"When your consciousness is open, any action you take in reference to evil has no more significance than digging a ditch to channel floodwaters from a house." - in The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment

Which, don't get me wrong, is a fair bit of significance. In fact, it is all there is.

Well if you laughed at everything there wouldn't be much time to get anything done. And you'd probably end up with a punch to the face eventually. Of course there are situations where you have to take into account the viewpoints and feelings of others into account before letting loose but it's exactly those situations - where a lack of awareness (or everyone else's lack of humour?  :lol:) has led to akward social interactions. Is there a distinction between sociopathy and oddity or are they just the same thing at different degrees of severity?

On the topic of 'bad' and 'good' - possibly a discussion for a different time but I merely meant that a lot of the time when people are getting wound up about something it has already happened and it can't be changed so really one's own reaction to the situation is the only thing you have control over. Why waste mental energy stewing over it?
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Dodo Argentino on November 20, 2014, 03:46:30 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 19, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Xaz on November 18, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
I have laughed at things in the past and been told very straight-forwardly 'That's not funny.' Sometimes this reaction is constrained to just a strange look.

This confuses me every time. I think I just find the unexpected or different to be a lot more fun than some people and putting labels like 'bad' or 'good' on events seems like a waste of thought-power when laughing and waiting to see what will happen next is so interesting.

The point at which a topic becomes Serious Business is a mystery.

I can think of many exceptions to this. Laughing at EVERYTHING, or thinking that there is no such thing as "bad" or "good", makes you a sociopath.

Can I argue with that? Just a little? :)

First, I think you can believe in good and bad and still laugh at everything. You can be crying your heart out and still be laughing... you can be angry as fuck and still be laughing.

Second: calling 'good' and 'bad' arbitrary labels can be a sign of sociopathy... but I think it can also be a sign of the postconventional person. As  Thaddeus Golas said:

"When your consciousness is open, any action you take in reference to evil has no more significance than digging a ditch to channel floodwaters from a house." - in The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment

Which, don't get me wrong, is a fair bit of significance. In fact, it is all there is.

Oh, good, a bit of philosophical wankery. Just what this thread needed.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2014, 02:58:31 PM
I would really enjoy rounding up all the engineers and all the philosophers and throwing them in a lake.

Not to drown them, mind you. Just to stop their endless prattle for a moment and to remind them that actually, water is subjectively wet.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2014, 02:59:24 PM
I might also kick them a little. Not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2014, 02:59:46 PM
Just a little.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Reginald Ret on November 20, 2014, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?
Not that I'm stepping into the philosophical wankery discussion, I don't think laughter and this kind of philosophizing work well together. Philosophy is laying tracks for your trains of thought (or, more often: just following someone else's tracks), while laughter (can i replace that with mirth? it is more accurate for me) is what happens after your train of thought has been derailed by reality.

My answer to Nigel's question (redacted, see below):
After a decade or two of that child becoming mentally stronger and stronger and overcoming all that trauma? Yes I can imagine we would make jokes about it. Very very bitter jokes, at the expense of rapists but still. Laughter can be healing as well as hurting.


this is below, see here:
... Huh. I just realized my caveats set my response apart from 'all things'. Oh well, it turns out that my answer is not applicable to this conversation.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: hooplala on November 20, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?

I can imagine that, but it would necessarily involve a psychotic break... which I doubt was Howl's point in this thread.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2014, 03:13:51 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 20, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?

I can imagine that, but it would necessarily involve a psychotic break... which I doubt was Howl's point in this thread.

Yeah, I don't think that was where he was going with it at all.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 21, 2014, 03:46:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 17, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Everyone gets their monkey on in different ways.  On the East coast, they have THE GAY BAR and all the other shit that comes with proper cities.  Here in Tucson, we have "driving badly" and "irresponsible firearms use" and various plants that make you think you live in the RIGHT universe for a while.  Portland, well, nobody's really sure, but it seems to involve art gallery openings and scooter/hockey stick mayhem of the sort that can only be done right by middle-aged single mothers with teenaged kids driving them batshit.

The point is, if we're gonna have Wrongfun™, we all have to do it our own way, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

But there are those who feel that "fun" should be regulated and controled, so that only Rightfun™ is obtainable.  These are the forces of NO, of STOP, of CALM YOUR TITS.  They are the people who feel that prohibition is a great idea.  They are the people who post "shock" articles on Facebook and howl weird shit about what should be done to Those People depicted in the articles. 

History is full of these assholes, whether they be Stasi or NSA or just the HOA Rules Nazi down the block.  They are against unregulated FUN, and for everyone settling down and being Good Americans™.

I am against these people, brothers and sisters, and I hope you are too.  I hate them and they hate me and that's how everyone likes it.  If they liked me, or even found me amusing from a distance, I would seriously have to reexamine the way I live my life.  They walk around all day with their disapproval stamped to their ugly, pinched faces, screaming at anyone who will listen (and most of those who won't) that "IT'S NOT FUNNY" and "THIS ISN'T A SUBJECT FOR HUMOR".

Yes it is.  I don't care if they're talking about terrorism, the free market, or whatever social justice zealotry they have shackled themselves with...And don't get me wrong, I'm all about egalitarianism, but I was just informed that "fart rape" is a thing, and it doesn't actually matter if that turned out to be a hoax, because if it IS, it hit too close to the bullseye.  No, as the late and unlamented Good Reverend Roger said, "Everything is funny when it happens to someone else...and it's usually still funny when it happens to YOU."

The fact is, you can judge a society on how much it laughs.  The Germans laugh all day, and nobody ever laughs in North Korea.  You decide.  And here in America, 43% of the population is democratic and 43% is republican, leaving only 14% of us laughing.  So we'd better LAUGH UNTIL OUR GUTS BLEED, or accept the fact that this nation is 86% North Korean.

What's really odd about that is that I remember a time when at least the democrats were laughing.  Not the politicians, of course, but the regular person in the street.  But let me ask you:  When was the last time you heard Joe or Jane Sixpack laugh?  I bet it's been a long time.  In fact, I bet they look at you funny when YOU laugh...Like you'd done something inappropriate.  And maybe you had, but that doesn't mean a laugh is a sign of bad manners or bad taste.

And why is this?  Because our society has lost its nerve.  Because our society is BUTTHURT, because being butthurt is both easier and SAFER.  Nobody gets black-bagged for NOT having a good time.  Nobody arrests people for Angry Townhall Face.  Nobody loses their job for sitting utterly rigid in their cube, staring at their monitor...Or joylessly eating their lunch in the breakroom, talking about SAFE subjects like the football game or how well their kids are fitting into the Jello-mould of society.

Is THAT what you want?  It isn't what I want.  I laughed at The Bomb and I laughed at Al Qaeda and now I laugh at the NSA and the republican senate.  And if rumors are true, I'll LAUGH MY ASS OFF when Sarah Palin puts her name on the presidential ballot in 2016. I laugh at preachers doomsaying on account of Gay marriage, and I laugh hysterically while icebergs the size of New Hampshire fall off of Antarctica.

Yes, I laugh at all of these things, all of these things and more.  I bray spittle and laughter in the faces of those who disapprove of my laughing at awful shit most people won't even bring up, because THAT'S WHAT A YETI DOES.  Leave the glum miseryguts bullshit for the Calvinists.  They LIKE that shit.  Because they're NUTS.

Okay for now,
Dok


Amen.

It's all in HOW you find amusement in the horrorshow.

Also reminds me of this Redd Foxx bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_wR1ps3wE#t=1170
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 22, 2014, 03:18:46 AM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?

After I kill that man with meticulous and atrocius brutality, and after crying a river, I might. Then I may or may not go on to kill myself. But it is hard to tell.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Dildo Argentino on November 22, 2014, 03:24:58 AM
Also,what Ret said.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 22, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 20, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?

I can imagine that, but it would necessarily involve a psychotic break... which I doubt was Howl's point in this thread.

It was not, and I didn't take it as such.  I am operating under the impression that she was talking to Holist.
Title: Re: Sermon #1 on 21C Fun
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2014, 05:26:51 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 22, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on November 20, 2014, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Sexy St. Nigel on November 20, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Can I give you an example that might break your philosophical wankery? Imagine a scenario in which your youngest child is brutally raped and severely, disablingly, injured.

Are you laughing at that? Can you imagine yourself laughing at it?

I can imagine that, but it would necessarily involve a psychotic break... which I doubt was Howl's point in this thread.

It was not, and I didn't take it as such.  I am operating under the impression that she was talking to Holist.

Bingo!