Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 01, 2014, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 02:09:15 AM
i think maybe it is not really bowling that you enjoy
but, i didn't mean to jack this thread and our little portion seems to be turning into a different debate.
I don't think you're qualified to tell other people what they do or don't find enjoyable. :lol: I don't think anyone is. If you want to explore what other people find enjoyable, and how, how much, and why they find them enjoyable, that would make a pretty decent thread, IMO. You might find that people have very different perspectives from one another when it comes to enjoyable activities.
hey, I said
maybeI think, maybe, it's possible that
some (but certainly not
all) people believe they enjoy bowling, when what they actually enjoy is bowling
with friends personally, I enjoy bowling. I have gone bowling by myself. I love the way it sounds. I love trying to analyze the oil pattern. Should I speed up my throw? Slow it down? more hook? Maybe move over a couple boards? Maybe move over an arrow and re-calibrate?
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 02:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 01, 2014, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 02:09:15 AM
i think maybe it is not really bowling that you enjoy
but, i didn't mean to jack this thread and our little portion seems to be turning into a different debate.
I don't think you're qualified to tell other people what they do or don't find enjoyable. :lol: I don't think anyone is. If you want to explore what other people find enjoyable, and how, how much, and why they find them enjoyable, that would make a pretty decent thread, IMO. You might find that people have very different perspectives from one another when it comes to enjoyable activities.
hey, I said maybe
I think, maybe, it's possible that some (but certainly not all) people believe they enjoy bowling, when what they actually enjoy is bowling with friends
personally, I enjoy bowling. I have gone bowling by myself. I love the way it sounds. I love trying to analyze the oil pattern. Should I speed up my throw? Slow it down? more hook? Maybe move over a couple boards? Maybe move over an arrow and re-calibrate?
I'm sure that for some people, the enjoyable part is being social with people they like, or just being social, period. Personally, I enjoy bowling as a game, but not as a social activity particularly (because it gets in the way of having conversations, which is my preferred social activity), just not enough to seek it out as a pastime when I have limited time and many other things I enjoy more.
Do you have things that you enjoy when you happen to do them, but not as much as other things that you prefer to do when you have free time?
Free time? What's that?
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 03:08:22 AM
Free time? What's that?
As a full-college student with four children, I might well say the same thing. Which might also explain why I don't have time to care about bowling (or any number of pleasant pastime activities) enough to get any better at it.
you don't care enough about bowling to get better at it, but you do care about it?
i think that was what sparked it all, right? i said i couldn't think of anything that i enjoyed that i didn't care about.
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 04:18:03 AM
you don't care enough about bowling to get better at it, but you do care about it?
i think that was what sparked it all, right? i said i couldn't think of anything that i enjoyed that i didn't care about.
I am not sure what the communication barrier is, here.
I enjoy bowling when I bowl, but I don't actually think about it almost ever, so it would be inaccurate to say that I care about it, because that would imply fucks given, and in fact I give no fucks. Why would I?
I enjoy a tremendous amount of things that I don't think about when I'm not reminded of them. Have you ever gone roller skating, birdwatching, rafting, ice skating, trout fishing, to an arcade, a casino, an amusement park, a shooting range, played Bingo, played poker, played pool, played tennis, gotten day drunk, ridden off-road vehicles, or done ANYTHING that you enjoyed at the time and yet never really thought about making time to do more of? Shit, there are so many things that I've done and enjoyed and wished that I wish I had more time to do. But I don't. And I have enough to do that I care about, that I honestly can't say that I care about most of the things I don't have time to do.
So you really care about all the things you have ever enjoyed? And make time to do them all? Are there just not very many things that you enjoy?
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
Wow. Dildoes.
This thread STARTED this way.
Less glib answer if requested.
yes please
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:36:53 AM
yes please
Response between 8:00 am and 4:00 pm EST.
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
No, because arguing semantics is dildoes, as LMNO may have pointed out already.
I feel interest in a great many things in the moment, and promptly cease to think about them when that moment is over.
I am actually rather easy to please, and find most things I do enjoyable or at least interesting. That doesn't mean I maintain interest in them when I'm done doing them. People can vary in this respect. Personally, I can't imagine maintaining sustained interest in everything I've enjoyed, that would be countless thousands of things. Life is fun.
I mainly replied to this topic because I encouraged you to make it, so I felt a bit of obligation to try to carry it on. I'm interested in what LMNO has to add to it, because as of right now it seems to be mostly you wanting to argue about why other people's experience of life isn't exactly like yours.
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
Rong, you are using "care" as a verb in this thread. Most others seem to be using it as a noun.
That may be part of the disconnect.
Dildo The First: The original quote in this thread was in response to a non-sequitur judgement about a false dichotomy between two uses of the word "nerd", one being a derogatory, "out-group" social stigma, and the other being an ironic, "in-group" status marker. The response itself was a further (self-identified) derailing of the topic, and was one of vague pseudo-sphynx-like truthiness (Colbert definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)).
Dildo The Second: An additional false dichotomy was presented when you drew a strict line between enjoying a physical action in isolation versus enjoying a physical action in a social group.
Dildo The Third: The concept of "enjoyment" was assigned a binary position, implying that one either completely enjoyed the physical action, or they didn't; and that one completely enjoyed the social group, or didn't. There was no room given for varied levels of enjoyment, in various contexts.
Dildo The Fourth: Semantically parsing the word "care", and again taking an extreme binary position that seems to equate caring about something with obsessing over something.
Dildo The Fifth: This post. It's condescending and fairly pointless, but written at your request, and will doubtlessly generate more posts in this thread, which has been clearly shown to be dildoes.
I'd just like to point out that I call bowling "the sport of the great unwashed", because I'm better than people.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 01, 2014, 12:52:28 PM
Dildo The First: The original quote in this thread was in response to a non-sequitur judgement about a false dichotomy between two uses of the word "nerd", one being a derogatory, "out-group" social stigma, and the other being an ironic, "in-group" status marker. The response itself was a further (self-identified) derailing of the topic, and was one of vague pseudo-sphynx-like truthiness (Colbert definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)).
Dildo The Second: An additional false dichotomy was presented when you drew a strict line between enjoying a physical action in isolation versus enjoying a physical action in a social group.
Dildo The Third: The concept of "enjoyment" was assigned a binary position, implying that one either completely enjoyed the physical action, or they didn't; and that one completely enjoyed the social group, or didn't. There was no room given for varied levels of enjoyment, in various contexts.
Dildo The Fourth: Semantically parsing the word "care", and again taking an extreme binary position that seems to equate caring about something with obsessing over something.
Dildo The Fifth: This post. It's condescending and fairly pointless, but written at your request, and will doubtlessly generate more posts in this thread, which has been clearly shown to be dildoes.
:mittens:
(https://i.imgflip.com/ers6i.jpg)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 01, 2014, 01:07:51 PM
I'd just like to point out that I call bowling "the sport of the great unwashed", because I'm better than people.
I thought it was because your people ran out of water a few years back.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 01, 2014, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 01, 2014, 01:07:51 PM
I'd just like to point out that I call bowling "the sport of the great unwashed", because I'm better than people.
I thought it was because your people ran out of water a few years back.
No, we ran out of AIR. Water we still have, it's from the Colorado River and is full of those brain-eating amoeba things.
Bowling makes my ass bleed.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 01, 2014, 12:52:28 PM
Dildo The First: The original quote in this thread was in response to a non-sequitur judgement about a false dichotomy between two uses of the word "nerd", one being a derogatory, "out-group" social stigma, and the other being an ironic, "in-group" status marker. The response itself was a further (self-identified) derailing of the topic, and was one of vague pseudo-sphynx-like truthiness (Colbert definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)).
Dildo The Second: An additional false dichotomy was presented when you drew a strict line between enjoying a physical action in isolation versus enjoying a physical action in a social group.
Dildo The Third: The concept of "enjoyment" was assigned a binary position, implying that one either completely enjoyed the physical action, or they didn't; and that one completely enjoyed the social group, or didn't. There was no room given for varied levels of enjoyment, in various contexts.
Dildo The Fourth: Semantically parsing the word "care", and again taking an extreme binary position that seems to equate caring about something with obsessing over something.
Dildo The Fifth: This post. It's condescending and fairly pointless, but written at your request, and will doubtlessly generate more posts in this thread, which has been clearly shown to be dildoes.
This seems like as good an analysis as this thread is gonna get.
Or deserves.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2014, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
Rong, you are using "care" as a verb in this thread. Most others seem to be using it as a noun.
That may be part of the disconnect.
Now I'm stuck trying to figure out how "care" can be a noun.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2014, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
Rong, you are using "care" as a verb in this thread. Most others seem to be using it as a noun.
That may be part of the disconnect.
Now I'm stuck trying to figure out how "care" can be a noun.
Quote1care noun \ˈker\
: effort made to do something correctly, safely, or without causing damage
: things that are done to keep someone healthy, safe, etc.
: things that are done to keep something in good condition
Quote2care verb
: to feel interest in something : to be interested in or concerned about something
: to feel affection for someone
: to want to do something or to be something
Both "definitions" we're from Rong's link. I'll admit, I didn't see how it counted as what I was taught a noun is, but there it was. I went with it.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 02, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2014, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: rong on December 01, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
maybe the word care means something different to you than it means to me?
i was going with care means "to feel interest in something" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/care )
now, that doesn't mean that everything i enjoy is at the forefront of my attention at all times. but, i'm pretty sure i maintain some level of interest in all things that i enjoy.
ironically, i find myself enjoying this discussion less and less and therefore, caring about it less and less.
would you be interested in arguing about the meaning of semantics instead?
Rong, you are using "care" as a verb in this thread. Most others seem to be using it as a noun.
That may be part of the disconnect.
Now I'm stuck trying to figure out how "care" can be a noun.
Quote1care noun \ˈker\
: effort made to do something correctly, safely, or without causing damage
: things that are done to keep someone healthy, safe, etc.
: things that are done to keep something in good condition
Quote2care verb
: to feel interest in something : to be interested in or concerned about something
: to feel affection for someone
: to want to do something or to be something
Both "definitions" we're from Rong's link. I'll admit, I didn't see how it counted as what I was taught a noun is, but there it was. I went with it.
I can see why you did, because the link called it a noun, but it seems to be defining a noun as a form of "to do", which is problematic.
Effort is a noun. The word effort can be substituted for the word care and still maintain meaning. Care is a noun in the "caregiver" sense.
I like to say verbs are nouns, but nouns aren't verbs. Words are words, in other words.
Did someone say dildos?
Quote from: rong on December 02, 2014, 08:36:48 AM
Effort is a noun. The word effort can be substituted for the word care and still maintain meaning. Care is a noun in the "caregiver" sense.
I like to say verbs are nouns, but nouns aren't verbs. Words are words, in other words.
Is fuck also a noun in the "fuckgiver" sense?
Here ya go, Rong: http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2014/03/caring.html
QuoteIs "caring" a noun?
MARCH 18TH, 2014
Q: The company I work at lists "caring" as one of its supposed "shared values." The other values ("productivity," "integrity," etc.) are obviously nouns. The word "caring" looks like the odd one out. Sounds awfully, distastefully wrong to me. Am I right?
A: The word "caring" can be a present participle ("He's caring for his sick child"), a participial adjective ("He is a caring person"), or a gerund ("Caring is a full-time job").
Although all three are derived from the verb "care," the present participle is a verb form, the participial adjective is of course an adjective, and the gerund is a noun—technically a verbal noun.
So the gerund "caring" does indeed belong with the other nouns in your company's list of shared values.
The Oxford English Dictionary has an entry for "caring" as a noun, with examples dating back to the 16th century.
The earliest OED citation is from the English poet Nicholas Grimald's 1556 translation of Cicero's De Officiis: "No painfulness, no diligence, no caring."
A gerund can be a subject, an object, or the principal part of a noun phrase. Although gerunds don't ordinarily have plural forms, plurals are sometimes used ("comings" and "goings," for example).
Gerunds are sometimes referred to as deverbals or deverbatives, as well as verbal nouns or simply nouns. Some are listed in standard dictionaries as nouns and some aren't.
Anyway, so, I was wondering, did you have a point with all of this?
i would say fuck can be a noun - in the sense that you can count how many of them have been given. (usually zero)
i think maybe at one point i had a point.
Perhaps we should talk about the word "enjoy" for a bit.
I think we should talk about the word word.
I mean what is a word? A sequence of letters used to denote concepts and convey meaning?
How can you like, categorize a word, man?
word.
let's do.
but i think it will be dildoes all the way down.
maybe the problem is that we are using words to talk about words. seems like maybe, you shouldn't do that. but i don't see a way around it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv-GXAfB040
Quote from: Demolition Squid on December 03, 2014, 07:50:13 AM
I think we should talk about the word word.
I mean what is a word? A sequence of letters used to denote concepts and convey meaning?
How can you like, categorize a word, man?
You can't. You can only defer meaning to another word, in an infinite semantic circle jerk.
Because Derrida.
This thread should be about actual dildoes and their use.
Quote from: Hello Waffles on December 03, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
This thread should be about actual dildoes and their use.
And what does "care" mean in context to dildoes? Do you have to be a member of a dildo enthusiast group? How much of your non-masturbatory time needs to be spent thinking about dilsoes? Does "caring for" dildoes count? What about sharpening them?
Quote from: Demolition Squid on December 03, 2014, 07:50:13 AM
I think we should talk about the word word.
I mean what is a word? A sequence of letters used to denote concepts and convey meaning?
How can you like, categorize a word, man?
What if I'm using the word word in a way that connotes a different meaning than the way you're using word? Like, I am not sure that you really talk.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 03, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on December 03, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
This thread should be about actual dildoes and their use.
And what does "care" mean in context to dildoes? Do you have to be a member of a dildo enthusiast group? How much of your non-masturbatory time needs to be spent thinking about dilsoes? Does "caring for" dildoes count? What about sharpening them?
Whoa whoa whoa... I'ma need you to define "dildoes".
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? :?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 03, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on December 03, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
This thread should be about actual dildoes and their use.
And what does "care" mean in context to dildoes? Do you have to be a member of a dildo enthusiast group? How much of your non-masturbatory time needs to be spent thinking about dilsoes? Does "caring for" dildoes count? What about sharpening them?
Whoa whoa whoa... I'ma need you to define "dildoes".
Mirriam Webster gives multiple definitions
1) an artificial penis that is used to give sexual pleasure
2) an object resembling a penis used for sexual stimulation
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? :?
I really don't know. The original premise seemed to be questioning whether I actually enjoy bowling, because I don't care about it enough to practice and get better. Then for some reason, the goalposts shifted to the definition of "care".
Basically, nothing of interest or value is going on here. The OP doesn't even know what his point was, or is perhaps too embarrassed to try to clarify it.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 03, 2014, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 03, 2014, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: Hello Waffles on December 03, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
This thread should be about actual dildoes and their use.
And what does "care" mean in context to dildoes? Do you have to be a member of a dildo enthusiast group? How much of your non-masturbatory time needs to be spent thinking about dilsoes? Does "caring for" dildoes count? What about sharpening them?
Whoa whoa whoa... I'ma need you to define "dildoes".
Mirriam Webster gives multiple definitions
1) an artificial penis that is used to give sexual pleasure
2) an object resembling a penis used for sexual stimulation
That seems like a noun. So OP is wondering whether I really for reals enjoy bowling, because I don't particularly dildo about it?
A dildo is as a dildo does.
Apparently, he dildoes about bowling a great deal, and questions whether anyone can truly enjoy an activity that they don't dildo about.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? :?
I really don't know. The original premise seemed to be questioning whether I actually enjoy bowling, because I don't care about it enough to practice and get better. Then for some reason, the goalposts shifted to the definition of "care".
Basically, nothing of interest or value is going on here. The OP doesn't even know what his point was, or is perhaps too embarrassed to try to clarify it.
Okay, I thought I was missing something.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:55:21 PM
Apparently, he dildoes about bowling a great deal, and questions whether anyone can truly enjoy an activity that they don't dildo about.
:lulz:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 03, 2014, 03:54:45 PM
A dildo is as a dildo does.
A dildo is a dildo is a dildo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Stein).
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:55:21 PM
Apparently, he dildoes about bowling a great deal, and questions whether anyone can truly enjoy an activity that they don't dildo about.
Newsfeed?
As far as I can tell, this thread is about THREE THINGS: Bowling, Boy George, and Dilldoes....
I've prepared this handy diagram to explain it better--
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7569/15316983284_ce1bdfebeb_o.png)
That's the cutest dilldoe I've ever seen! I'm just not sure whether I "care" about it or "enjoy" it though. Can I do both?
(http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dildo-island.jpg?w=780)
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 07:51:20 PM
(http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dildo-island.jpg?w=780)
This thread really
is dildos...and that is beautiful.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? :?
I really don't know. The original premise seemed to be questioning whether I actually enjoy bowling, because I don't care about it enough to practice and get better. Then for some reason, the goalposts shifted to the definition of "care".
Basically, nothing of interest or value is going on here. The OP doesn't even know what his point was, or is perhaps too embarrassed to try to clarify it.
i think the point i was trying to make was that, if you enjoy something, then you must, to some degree, also care about it.
but, this thread has turned into something much better than that.
i don't even have a dildo
Quotea dildo is as a dildo does
can we change it to "a dildo is as a dildoes?"
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on December 03, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
As far as I can tell, this thread is about THREE THINGS: Bowling, Boy George, and Dilldoes....
I've prepared this handy diagram to explain it better--
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7569/15316983284_ce1bdfebeb_o.png)
this is gold!
it's kind of like this:
(http://thedailybanter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dildos.jpg)
Quote from: rong on December 03, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 03, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD? :?
I really don't know. The original premise seemed to be questioning whether I actually enjoy bowling, because I don't care about it enough to practice and get better. Then for some reason, the goalposts shifted to the definition of "care".
Basically, nothing of interest or value is going on here. The OP doesn't even know what his point was, or is perhaps too embarrassed to try to clarify it.
i think the point i was trying to make was that, if you enjoy something, then you must, to some degree, also care about it.
While that's not at all what you originally said, I still don't think it's accurate. People often feel a sense of enjoyment of things they don't care about, unless you completely redefine "care" to such an extent that it becomes synonymous with "enjoy", thereby rendering it functionally meaningless. Not only is it possible for people to enjoy things they don't care about, it is also possible for people to care about things they don't enjoy.
If you look up the definitions of both "care" and "enjoy", you might find that this makes sense.
i think that's what i meant.
but i liked it better when this thread was about dildoes
Quote from: rong on December 04, 2014, 02:25:54 AM
i think that's what i meant.
but i liked it better when this thread was about dildoes
Oh, don't worry, it's still about dildoes.
:lol: