With regard to the protestors' chant of "I can't breathe"...
...I told you guys that there wasn't enough air. I told you guys that Tucson would come for you all, one fine day. In fact, I've been hollering about that for 12 years. Now it's like this gigantic fucking cyst has burst, and you can't swing a dead cat without "interfering in police business" or being choked to death for selling individual cigarettes.
What's really grotesque about this, what makes this entire country a fucking carnival sideshow, is the fact that about half of Americans are still trying to find excuses for this. #notallcops, yada yada.
And you know what? There ARE good cops. But to pretend that there aren't any bad ones is to say that there isn't any DIFFERENCE between the good ones and the bad ones, and to say THAT is to say that you're perfectly okay with a police state.
I am not anti-cop. I am anti-out of control cops. I am anti-punishment culture. I am anti-beating people to death just because you can.
I understand the mechanism behind the "it's not the cops" mentality. White people have been able to LOOK AWAY from this shit their entire lives. They didn't HAVE to see it, because it almost never happened to THEM. But now they HAVE to look at it - which is why they're "sick of hearing about it" - and they don't WANT to process it, because it leads to all manner of conclusions that contradict the way they think the universe works. Racism is still a thing. The police aren't there to protect you. You are only free until your freedom becomes inconvenient.
So they go into denial, either saying the victims were "thugs" (Fox News-speak for "Black"), or that "there's only a few bad apples."
But how many bad apples does there have to be before you have to admit there's a problem? How many cops keep the "code of silence" with respect to bad cops (Remember the "good Germans"? Neither do I.)? How LONG do you have to turn blue in the face because YOU CAN'T BREATHE, because there's NO AIR, because you TRADED THAT AIR AWAY FOR COMPLACENCY?
This is the America you demanded. Welcome to Tucson.
Okay (for now),
Dok
It's horrifying 'cause it's true.
:horror:
Apparently, a cop in California may be fired because he gave a suicidal person a drink of water instead of tasing the person.
It's a good thing the problem isn't institutional.
In related news, Fox News has just advised that minority communities "need to be trained to be more sensitive toward the police."
Not fucking kidding. Shark jumped.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
In related news, Fox News has just advised that minority communities "need to be trained to be more sensitive toward the police."
Not fucking kidding. Shark jumped.
NUH UH.
:whack:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 01:36:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
In related news, Fox News has just advised that minority communities "need to be trained to be more sensitive toward the police."
Not fucking kidding. Shark jumped.
NUH UH.
:whack:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/fox-host-minority-communities-need-to-be-trained-to-be-more-sensitive-to-the-police/
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 03:16:01 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 01:36:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 01:14:28 AM
In related news, Fox News has just advised that minority communities "need to be trained to be more sensitive toward the police."
Not fucking kidding. Shark jumped.
NUH UH.
:whack:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/fox-host-minority-communities-need-to-be-trained-to-be-more-sensitive-to-the-police/
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh my, that is fucking special. Really, really, special.
I think a lot of Americans have shown their true colours in their reaction to recent police violence. And it's not pretty.
The most charitable explanation is "willfully ignorant", going down to "worship of power" and "an assortment of racist justifications". So much for a "post-racial America". So much for the Land of the Free.
Quote from: Cain on December 08, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
I think a lot of Americans have shown their true colours in their reaction to recent police violence. And it's not pretty.
The most charitable explanation is "willfully ignorant", going down to "worship of power" and "an assortment of racist justifications". So much for a "post-racial America". So much for the Land of the Free.
We've always been this way.
It's just now, people have to
look at it.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 08, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
I think a lot of Americans have shown their true colours in their reaction to recent police violence. And it's not pretty.
The most charitable explanation is "willfully ignorant", going down to "worship of power" and "an assortment of racist justifications". So much for a "post-racial America". So much for the Land of the Free.
We've always been this way.
It's just now, people have to look at it.
The Rodney King beating was 22 years ago.
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 08, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
I think a lot of Americans have shown their true colours in their reaction to recent police violence. And it's not pretty.
The most charitable explanation is "willfully ignorant", going down to "worship of power" and "an assortment of racist justifications". So much for a "post-racial America". So much for the Land of the Free.
We've always been this way.
It's just now, people have to look at it.
The Rodney King beating was 22 years ago.
Keep going back. We've been beating the crap out of Black people for our entire history. The 1920s and 30s were particularly bad, and I don't think I even have to mention the 1950s and 60s.
I know its nothing new, but I think it was the first incident that was caught on film and EVERYONE knew about it.
We've had 22 years to do something about it.
Maybe the solution is for the job of police officer to become so terrible that nobody wants to do it.
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 03:18:52 PM
I know its nothing new, but I think it was the first incident that was caught on film and EVERYONE knew about it.
We've had 22 years to do something about it.
Maybe the solution is for the job of police officer to become so terrible that nobody wants to do it.
That's really worked to up the quality of people in other shitty jobs, hasn't it?
More punishment fetishistic idiocy... "make things worse, that will make them better!"
It certainly wouldn't do to address the internal culture of law enforcement.
This is from a cop buddy of mine on FB. A dude I have a lot of respect for. It disturbs me on so many levels.
(apologies for the wall of text. He is a really good writer, normally, but probably wasn't formatting for FB)
QuoteA year ago, I graduated from the academy and became a police officer. I lost a few friends, made a lot more, and have seen some evils that people had rather not discuss. It's the best honor I have known in my life. You really don't appreciate it until you are put in the situation. But one of the most counterintuitive things that the human body can do is run toward danger, toward the screams, toward the gun fire, and toward the uncertainty in the darkness. Only two people know what this is like all of the time: the soldier and the first responder. For everyone else, courage is merely optional. And it's unfortunate that this is, often, a very hated profession. I've experienced it myself over the past year... the comments I got, threats I received, friends I lost. I've come to understand one thing though: I'm no longer willing to pay attention to the criticisms of those who serve as apologists for the criminal element. Listen, those who know me well know just how much blood, sweat, and tears I've put into making the world a better place: through research, service, teaching, recruitment, and clinical work. I, too, hope for a world where violence no longer exists. I, too, hope for a world where there are no conflicts, and where everyone can get along peacefully. I, too, hope for a world where everyone, no matter what race, color, creed, or sexual preference, is afforded the same rights and privileges that we all deserve. However, it is perfectly acceptable to work towards how the world SHOULD be, while simultaneously and appropriately deal with the way the world IS. Many people want to believe that crime is not an issue... that it's overblown, used as a distraction to allow for "bigger government," or that we as officers merely exist solely for the purpose of harassing "innocent people" who are simply on their way to/from church. And sure, it's easy to bury one's head in the sand and pretend that everything is just fine, or that the common criminal is just a misunderstood person in need of more friends and positive reinforcement. And that's because most people have no concept of what it means to be a sociopath... to have no conscious, to have no regard for life. Hear me very loud and clear: the criminal element does not care about your pacifism. The criminal element does not care about your feminism. The criminal element does not care about your desire for equality. The criminal element does not care about your need for safety. And finally, the criminal element does not care about how the world SHOULD be. Do not project your normalcy onto the criminal element just because you cannot comprehend the existence of sociopathy. We are not the monsters... and trust me, it genuinely bothers all of us when we are labeled monsters. We are not the bad guy. We have lives, families, friends, and children. We bleed the same blood. Although our existence may remind you that the criminal element is out there, and although that thought might be incomprehensible to you, the simple fact is that not many people in this world willingly volunteer to run toward the gun fire and deal with the criminal element face-to-face. I, as do most of my brothers and sisters, take ownership of my community. I love my city and the people in it who want safety and comfort. I, like most of my brothers and sisters, take this obligation freely, without any hesitation, reservation, or purpose of evasion. Why? Because I want the criminal element out of my city. I want the criminal element dealt with and brought to justice. I want to ensure peace and security for those citizens who strive for how the world SHOULD be. It's why most of us do this job. That's what the badge represents, beyond some letters and numbers on a shield. That's why it's the best job in the world. And that's why the past year has been such an honor. Thank you to those who have supported me through it all.
I've been engaged in criminal activity for a fair portion of my life. I was really bad as a teenager and in my early 20's. I was just thinking about it and realized that everyone in my immediate family has been arrested. Many in my immediate and extended family have done time. That having been said, even being surrounded by "the criminal element" to the point where that is my normal, the incidents of full blown sociopathy I've seen in that context is no more, really, than I've seen outside that world. Far less than in some contexts, in fact (working sales, for instance). I would be very surprised if the percentage of sociopaths on the police force itself isn't at least on par with that of the general population, if not much greater.
I don't like to think that the thought of sociopathy is front and center when police deal with "the criminal element," the lion's share of which, really are people who are either just playing by a legally loose set of rules, or are just "thugs of circumstance."
I don't like this "my brothers and sisters" shit. Not at all even a little bit--for reasons that should be obvious to anyone in a discordian group. I really, really, don't like this (a comment from the thread that followed this post):
QuoteThank you to those who have commented. Patrick: I hear you, brother. Perhaps the most infuriating false narrative is the myth of the "unarmed, harmless man." It's particularly infuriating, and usually comes from people who have absolutely no conception of force science. Just a week or two ago, one of my brothers from NY was killed by one of these "unarmed, harmless males," who overpowered him, took his service weapon, and killed him by firing 15 of his own rounds into his body. I dismiss that narrative really quickly, cause that falsehood gets people who are actually innocent killed.
The very fact that he refers to "the criminal element" as a vast faceless block speaks volumes.
Also, I don't need cops "taking ownership" of my community.
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
The very fact that he refers to "the criminal element" as a vast faceless block speaks volumes.
Dehumanizing the enemy.
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Sure. Simplistic fatalism is always the easy answer... that way you can pat yourself on the back and go back to your beer and not thinking.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
The very fact that he refers to "the criminal element" as a vast faceless block speaks volumes.
Dehumanizing the enemy.
Yes.
And, to me, implies all criminal activities are equal. Which, I guess, is how jaywalkers get their kneecaps occasionally smashed.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 04:26:51 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 04:19:47 PM
The very fact that he refers to "the criminal element" as a vast faceless block speaks volumes.
Dehumanizing the enemy.
Yes.
And, to me, implies all criminal activities are equal. Which, I guess, is how jaywalkers get their kneecaps occasionally smashed.
Well, if they're all sociopaths, you can feel equally righteous whether the person you're shooting in the back skins little boys alive or is a teenager who stole gum from the store.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Sure. Simplistic fatalism is always the easy answer... that way you can pat yourself on the back and go back to your beer and not thinking.
I'd be delighted for you to prove me wrong.
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Sure. Simplistic fatalism is always the easy answer... that way you can pat yourself on the back and go back to your beer and not thinking.
I'd be delighted for you to prove me wrong.
As long as someone else does it so you don't have to move from your barstool.
As an aside, I'm wondering just how much influence Dirty Harry, Martin Riggs, John McClane and an army of lookalikes had on informing the pro-cop sentiments. Hell, I'm wondering how much it bolstered the cop-cop mentality. Has there ever been a Hollywood cop who wasn't a sociopathic death machine?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Sure. Simplistic fatalism is always the easy answer... that way you can pat yourself on the back and go back to your beer and not thinking.
I'd be delighted for you to prove me wrong.
As long as someone else does it so you don't have to move from your barstool.
Oh, SNAP!
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
Sure. Simplistic fatalism is always the easy answer... that way you can pat yourself on the back and go back to your beer and not thinking.
Things can get better, but right now the glide path doesnt look very good. The truth is that its not just cops that think like the OP, its most of America. Sure, they hate seeing kids shot on the news too, but they dont grok the connection between those things. They dont get that you cant have an Orwellian military police force to protect us from those scary brown folks without this kind of shit happening. Its always been this way, we have always been beset on all sides by ruthless and cunning enemies that require us to "do what is necessary." If along the way we carve out a complete global hegemony and a big ol prison/military/security industrial complex, well thats just a happy little coincidence.
This is a pattern that repeats again and again, 9/10 times the lizards win. Because no matter how badly power is abused it only takes the smallest nudges to get the rubes to side with it. Even if every NASCAR fan in America was joined in condemnation of police abuses of power it would only be a few months before some crisis would have them begging for the police to have more power to abuse.
Americans want authoritarianism. Theres no way to fix that.
There's something to that.
Immediately after the shooting in Ottawa a month or so ago, a frightening amount of Canadians were willing to give up a significant amount of liberty to make sure incidents like that "never happened again".
The "criminal element" is at the lowest activity level in 20+ years, yet police brutality/killings are rising.
NLDM, your friend is speaking from the punishment culture end of things.
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
This is why feudalism and slavery never ended.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
This is why feudalism and slavery never ended.
Nothing, in terms of social equality, has improved in the last 100 years. Nothing at all.
Everything is exactly the same.
So there's no point in trying, it won't help.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 08, 2014, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: rong on December 08, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Truth is there is no solution.
It will only get worse.
This is why feudalism and slavery never ended.
Nothing, in terms of social equality, has improved in the last 100 years. Nothing at all.
Everything is exactly the same.
So there's no point in trying, it won't help.
Guess I better brush up on my Al Jolson tribute act.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
When all you have is punishment, everything looks like a crime.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
There's something to that.
Immediately after the shooting in Ottawa a month or so ago, a frightening amount of Canadians were willing to give up a significant amount of liberty to make sure incidents like that "never happened again".
Exactly. Were like a binge drinking alcoholic who keeps wondering why those no good piece of shit cops keep giving us DUIs. Just about every liberal in congress voted for the war in Iraq because scary brown people, and then spent several years bitching about how Bush landed us in that shithole. The Tea Partier demo hates the TSA, but just a few years ago they were the ones begging for the TSA.
At every stage of creating the police state the American people have been complicit, its the aftermath we dont like. Americans want a police state. They want fascism. They even want Oligarchy, look at Hillary/Bush 16. Of course, when it comes in the mail Authoritarianism looks a lot different than it did on the infomercial. But at that point its too late. There are no money back guarantees with legislation, and even if there was wed just spend it on CCTV in Bathrooms or some shit.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 08, 2014, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 08, 2014, 05:17:35 PM
There's something to that.
Immediately after the shooting in Ottawa a month or so ago, a frightening amount of Canadians were willing to give up a significant amount of liberty to make sure incidents like that "never happened again".
Exactly. Were like a binge drinking alcoholic who keeps wondering why those no good piece of shit cops keep giving us DUIs. Just about every liberal in congress voted for the war in Iraq because scary brown people, and then spent several years bitching about how Bush landed us in that shithole. The Tea Partier demo hates the TSA, but just a few years ago they were the ones begging for the TSA.
At every stage of creating the police state the American people have been complicit, its the aftermath we dont like. Americans want a police state. They want fascism. They even want Oligarchy, look at Hillary/Bush 16. Of course, when it comes in the mail Authoritarianism looks a lot different than it did on the infomercial. But at that point its too late. There are no money back guarantees with legislation, and even if there was wed just spend it on CCTV in Bathrooms or some shit.
This is fairly bog-standard when republics reach the end of their effective lifespan. This is why - despite the fact that nothing is actually
wrong - we can't accomplish anything.
Dok,
Waiting for Octavian.
Is police violence on the rise?
Or is it more visible because people are angrier about it and it is being reported on more, along with the increasingly militarized police force making them a more visible and overtly intimidating aggressor?
It can be hard to tell because of the lack of publicly released police violence statistics.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
Is police violence on the rise?
Or is it more visible because people are angrier about it and it is being reported on more, along with the increasingly militarized police force making them a more visible and overtly intimidating aggressor?
It can be hard to tell because of the lack of publicly released police violence statistics.
According to the FBI:
QuoteNone of your business.
The best we can do is operate on what data we CAN see. I've been trying to look shit up since the Ferguson grand jury, but state and local officials are not actually
required to tell the FBI about police brutality. So they voluntarily look like Brown Shirts, or they just say "fuck you" and get back to choking people.
But I will say this: the number of hits I found from 2008 total about half of 2009, and it's more or less gone up by 33% each year since then. Add in the militarized police and the attitude that engenders, and I am going to say that police violence IS on the rise, until proven otherwise. Speaking from a self-preservation point of view.
See, I grew up in a largely black neighborhood in my early childhood, and returned to it after I turned 18. What I remember from back then was that there was a lot of brutality, but nobody got upset about it, nor did it make the news. It was just another day, another teenage boy shot for looking like he might have a gun under his puffy jacket.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 08, 2014, 07:51:48 PM
See, I grew up in a largely black neighborhood in my early childhood, and returned to it after I turned 18. What I remember from back then was that there was a lot of brutality, but nobody got upset about it, nor did it make the news. It was just another day, another teenage boy shot for looking like he might have a gun under his puffy jacket.
Yes, but you also live in Portland, which is worse than LA or even London in some cases.
I mean, of course people got upset about it. But it was just black people, nobody who counted.
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Hi Poptart.
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Hello, Poptart.
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Oooh! It's Poptart!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 10, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Oooh! It's Poptart!
who?
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 10, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Oooh! It's Poptart!
who?
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 10, 2014, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Meunster on December 09, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
This is just getting ridiculous, we need a much more ridiculous reaction.
Every grab your bricks and Molotovs, if big businesses and corrupt governments think it's a use of them to keep the minorities in line.
then we will show them that they can't keep them in line.
Then they'll either respond with an incredible amount of abuse which would show everyone how bad the government is, or accommodate the minorities.
Oooh! It's Poptart!
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I kind of have a weird crush on Ron Paul. Is that weird?
Oh god I hope Ron Paul isn't underage. That WOULD be weird.
I think he's like 80 or something. And a doctor. And possibly a gnome.
I mean, it's weird, but not age-wise.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
I kind of have a weird crush on Ron Paul. Is that weird?
Oh god I hope Ron Paul isn't underage. That WOULD be weird.
I think we all do. I was convinced for ages he or she was an alt, but now I'm not so sure. Either way, he or she is a treasure.
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2014, 07:21:03 AM
I think he's like 80 or something. And a doctor. And possibly a gnome.
I mean, it's weird, but not age-wise.
:lol:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
I kind of have a weird crush on Ron Paul. Is that weird?
Oh god I hope Ron Paul isn't underage. That WOULD be weird.
He's from Texas.
Quote from: Metal Bear on December 12, 2014, 01:48:24 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
I kind of have a weird crush on Ron Paul. Is that weird?
Oh god I hope Ron Paul isn't underage. That WOULD be weird.
He's from Texas.
Oh, now I feel dirty.
Quote from: Metal Bear on December 12, 2014, 01:48:24 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 11, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
I kind of have a weird crush on Ron Paul. Is that weird?
Oh god I hope Ron Paul isn't underage. That WOULD be weird.
He's from Texas.
YEAH TEXAS