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Principia Discordia => Two vast and trunkless legs of stone => Topic started by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 08:49:48 PM

Title: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130807-fatbergs-london-sewers-grease-fat/

QuoteThe smells instantly rushed back this week when London's water authority announced that it had discovered the biggest fatberg yet, a 15-ton mound about the size of a school bus. Thames Water, the public utility that manages the sewers, gave it the historic and oddly momentous title of being "the biggest berg in British history."
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Reginald Ret on January 07, 2015, 09:27:32 PM
Toshers  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosher)did it.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Cain on January 09, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
Huh.  I thought they were using fatbergs as a source of grease in most of the city's takeaways.  I mean, the Chinese I had last night looked like it had been dunked in a vat of reclaimed fat from a sewer
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: LMNO on January 09, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
It's like something out of a Pratchett novel.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
It's like something out of a Pratchett novel.

I blame Junkenstein. After his CMOT Dibbler experience I think he manifests Discworld around him into reality.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Junkenstein on January 09, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
It's like something out of a Pratchett novel.

I blame Junkenstein. After his CMOT Dibbler experience I think he manifests Discworld around him into reality.

Not guilty.

Probably.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 09, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
It's like something out of a Pratchett novel.

I blame Junkenstein. After his CMOT Dibbler experience I think he manifests Discworld around him into reality.

Not guilty.

Probably.

Huh. Well, nothing else to it. Thing's gonna hatch.

I hope Richter's worked out the kinks in the armor's servo motors.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: LMNO on January 09, 2015, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on January 09, 2015, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 09, 2015, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 02:59:01 PM
It's like something out of a Pratchett novel.

I blame Junkenstein. After his CMOT Dibbler experience I think he manifests Discworld around him into reality.

Not guilty.

Probably.

Huh. Well, nothing else to it. Thing's gonna hatch.

I hope Richter's worked out the kinks in the armor's servo motors.


SWEET MERCIFUL FUCK!
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 09, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 09, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
Huh.  I thought they were using fatbergs as a source of grease in most of the city's takeaways.  I mean, the Chinese I had last night looked like it had been dunked in a vat of reclaimed fat from a sewer

Shudder
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: LMNO on January 09, 2015, 09:33:34 PM
But I suspect it was delicious.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 10, 2015, 12:07:12 PM
I can't eat 90% of UK chinese food. MSG makes my teeth and tongue buzz :vom:
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 10, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
It's almost impossible to get Chinese food with MSG in Portland.

It's also almost impossible to get good Chinese food in Portland.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Cain on January 10, 2015, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 09:33:34 PM
But I suspect it was delicious.

Pretty mediocre, to be honest.  Some of their drier fare may be OK, but anything with a sauce, I can confirm, is pretty lacklustre.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 11, 2015, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130807-fatbergs-london-sewers-grease-fat/

QuoteThe smells instantly rushed back this week when London's water authority announced that it had discovered the biggest fatberg yet, a 15-ton mound about the size of a school bus. Thames Water, the public utility that manages the sewers, gave it the historic and oddly momentous title of being "the biggest berg in British history."

:eek:

My first thought was maybe someone accidentally set a multi-ton fatberg on fire in Seattle a few days ago:

http://www.citylab.com/weather/2015/01/seattle-gets-doused-in-a-mysterious-stinky-fog/384309/
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 11, 2015, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: N E T on January 11, 2015, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 07, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/08/130807-fatbergs-london-sewers-grease-fat/

QuoteThe smells instantly rushed back this week when London's water authority announced that it had discovered the biggest fatberg yet, a 15-ton mound about the size of a school bus. Thames Water, the public utility that manages the sewers, gave it the historic and oddly momentous title of being "the biggest berg in British history."

:eek:

My first thought was maybe someone accidentally set a multi-ton fatberg on fire in Seattle a few days ago:

http://www.citylab.com/weather/2015/01/seattle-gets-doused-in-a-mysterious-stinky-fog/384309/

:lulz: Oh, Seattle!
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 15, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 10, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
It's almost impossible to get Chinese food with MSG in Portland.

It's also almost impossible to get good Chinese food in Portland.

Coincidence?

Yes, actually. MSG is found in all sorts of foods naturally. Using it as an additive is just another way of intensifying the flavor of a dish. And AFAIK absolutely zero evidence has been found to support the claims that people make about MSG being bad for you. In fact, every study I've ever heard of on the matter has shown that MSG-related symptoms are completely unreproduceable in a controlled experiment. Basically, the idea that MSG causes side effects is almost certainly hogwash and the idea that adding MSG means the food is crap is, itself, crap.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 15, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
And then I realized that I read your post COMPLETELY backwards. :lol:

Reading comprehension is my friend, I swear.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 15, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
And then I realized that I read your post COMPLETELY backwards. :lol:

Reading comprehension is my friend, I swear.

:lol: It happens.

Nice to see you around, man.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Ben Shapiro on January 16, 2015, 04:02:34 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 15, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 10, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
It's almost impossible to get Chinese food with MSG in Portland.

It's also almost impossible to get good Chinese food in Portland.

Coincidence?

Yes, actually. MSG is found in all sorts of foods naturally. Using it as an additive is just another way of intensifying the flavor of a dish. And AFAIK absolutely zero evidence has been found to support the claims that people make about MSG being bad for you. In fact, every study I've ever heard of on the matter has shown that MSG-related symptoms are completely unreproduceable in a controlled experiment. Basically, the idea that MSG causes side effects is almost certainly hogwash and the idea that adding MSG means the food is crap is, itself, crap.

Use free range MSG.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Cain on January 16, 2015, 07:29:30 AM
The Chinese I previously worked for, which I use as a benchmark for good Chinese food, uses MSG.   I've never had a problem with it.  And neither have the, oh, 1 billion people in China, Korea and Japan who use it on a pretty regular basis.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2015, 03:45:20 PM
For a tiny percentage of people who actually are sensitive to MSG, it can trigger migraines. The vast majority of people, though, are experiencing the nocebo effect, in which belief that an adverse reaction will occur triggers an adverse reaction. If it were a chemically-triggered reaction, they would also experience it when eating mushrooms, seaweed, soy sauce, meat, hard cheese, and any number of other foods.

It's a lot like gluten intolerance, or the latest fad here, "nightshade" intolerance... people who claim they are "sensitive" to tomatoes, potatoes, peppers, eggplant, sweet potatoes, and any other plant that is vaguely related to these.

The last one, that never really took off, was "brassica sensitivity", in which anything related to cabbage was forbidden.

In my opinion, over 99% of these are ways for attention-whores to make people pander to them.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2015, 03:54:13 PM
Largely because evolutionarily, you know what people with food intolerances did? They died. Taking their food-intolerant genes right out of the pool. It isn't an adaptive trait, it's a fairly immediately fatal trait, and would tend to get weeded out very rapidly. There are clearly exceptions, which tend to be widespread and obvious, like lacking the enzymes to digest a particular form of carbohydrate because of geographic displacement from that food source.

Of course, the stupidest thing about the food-intolerance claim is that every jackass who decides to go gluten-free because it's trendy and they think it will make them healthier even though they don't even fucking know what gluten is makes it that much likelier that someone with Celiac's Disease won't get taken seriously. Way to go, moron brigade.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
Most chinese food does a weird thing in my mouth. Not an allergic reaction, per se but a kind of really fucked up odd thing that's more like licking a battery than a taste. Maybe it's just coincidence and chinese food regularly contains some other ingredient or additive that's doing this or maybe it's some additive in the MSG but I hate it.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: LMNO on January 16, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
I have heard an unsubstantiated claim that much of what is deemed MSG headache is really just a massive amount of sodium that's used while cooking.  Dunno if it's true, but it makes sense, somewhat.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 16, 2015, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
Most chinese food does a weird thing in my mouth. Not an allergic reaction, per se but a kind of really fucked up odd thing that's more like licking a battery than a taste. Maybe it's just coincidence and chinese food regularly contains some other ingredient or additive that's doing this or maybe it's some additive in the MSG but I hate it.

Could be anything. Prickly ash, oyster sauce, who knows. Do Marmite and soy sauce do the same thing?
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2015, 04:03:26 PM
Fuck if I know. It's not just chinese. Happens from time to time with other things, there's a brand of protein bar f'rinstance they used to sell down the gym, but it happens so often with chinese that I just don't bother anymore. Exception being one upmarket restaurant in Stirling where the food is so good it makes the takeaway shit look like some kind of obscene parody.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 16, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Marmite doesn't do the tingle but it's a fucking horrific "normal" taste that I haven't experienced anywhere apart from those Victory V losenges. Soy sauce I love. Cook with it all the time.

The thing that weirds me out a bit is I've never heard a single other account of this tingle effect. Maybe it's psychosomatic  :eek:
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 16, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
Nigel, that "nightshade intolerance" sounds like someone was deliberately trying to ruin their life as hard as possible. If I couldn't eat those foods you listed I would probably jump off a bridge.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: LMNO on January 16, 2015, 04:33:39 PM
Nigel, weren't you trying to make Alium Sensitivity a thing?


As a joke, of course.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on January 16, 2015, 06:08:14 PM
OMG I just ate 10 pounds of Chinese Food and now I feel awful! It must be the MSG that made me do it and not my own lack of self control!
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 17, 2015, 03:01:41 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on January 16, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
Nigel, that "nightshade intolerance" sounds like someone was deliberately trying to ruin their life as hard as possible. If I couldn't eat those foods you listed I would probably jump off a bridge.

Seriously, that would be the worst. GOODBYE, EVERYTHING DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: CAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PEOPLE!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 17, 2015, 03:11:02 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 16, 2015, 04:33:39 PM
Nigel, weren't you trying to make Alium Sensitivity a thing?


As a joke, of course.

Yes! I'm still hoping it takes off. The hook is that allium insensitivity causes digestive system inflammation in people with allium sensitivities.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/alliumfree/ Please feel free to join and contribute to the cookbook!