It's starting (http://np.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/).
tl;dr version: the various far right fringes of Reddit have combined. They claim a secret "SJW" cabal at the heart of Reddit is oppressing them - mostly by mocking them for their Neo-Nazi bullshit, or actually banning them when they do patently hideous shit, like invade a reddit for depressed trans people and tell them to commit suicide, for example.
I expect to see this example spread, not least because Reddit themselves are not doing anything (which rather undermines their whole oppression argument),
:popcorn:
Literally any act, especially on the internet, that is against doing or saying horrible things counts as "capitulating to the SJWs." You must declare your allegiance to the values of Free Speech by being deliberately neo-Nazi.
:horrormirth: Great.
SJW?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
SJW?
"Social Justice Warrior." In essence, those whiny kids on tumblr with, uh, novel ideas about how to combat racism and sexism (usually through racism and sexism) and generally known for being shrill and oversensitive.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
SJW?
Social Justice Warrior. Ostensibly a perjorative for those whose personalities are subsumed by their activism, but the term is frequently abused to refer to anyone with socially liberal views.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
SJW?
Sapient Jupiter Worms - a misnomer and pejorative given to the all benevolent Titan slugs, may their psychic harmony enshroud us all.
More liek psychic CULTURAL MARXISM, amirite?
Sarcastic Juggalo Windsurfers
Superior Jumping Wombats
Sunset Jogging Wendigos.
Sumo JerkWads
Some Wanking Jerk?
Smelly Junior Warble
Swedish Jesus Wranglers
:roll:
Ok so the nasty neo fascist groups are proclaiming that these SJW cats are oppressing them on Reddit? This is starting to make me REALLY appreciate my minimal Internet interactions.
I wonder how many folks have their tits on fire over this but couldn't readily explain to the Internet deprived exactly what is so upsetting.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on February 24, 2015, 01:53:21 PM
:popcorn:
Literally any act, especially on the internet, that is against doing or saying horrible things counts as "capitulating to the SJWs." You must declare your allegiance to the values of Free Speech by being deliberately neo-Nazi.
I'm just gonna keep doing the same thing I've been doing since the final meltdown of the Garbo Affair.
Which is to say "I'm going to do what I think is right, and pay no attention to people who snarl an agenda at me." I might be willing to listen to people who suggest changes in what I think is right, but if they start it with a "WHITE KNIGHT!" or, alternatively, "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE", then the conversation is over and all that is left is mockery.
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on February 26, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
I posted an article to Nigel about that very thing, and started reading a little more. Apparently, CTers can snap out of it if they can actually manage to look at the structure of their beliefs, which collapse more or less on sight.
Problem is, it is almost impossible to get them to do this.
It's to the point where I can't tall the strawmen from the radicals.
This is going to be the great culture war of this generation. SJW "kill whitey", accept me for identifying as a cloud, and be gay or die, and fat is beautiful school of thought, vs /pol/'s Joules evola, Seig hail, traditional values or die, all untermensh in the oven.
Though tbh, as someone who spent a few months on both sides. Each just circle jerks over images of straw men and are told "all of X are like this." then they take it to the extreme and never stop to question what they're doing. They'll grow out of it.
Quote from: Meunster on February 26, 2015, 02:32:17 PM
It's to the point where I can't tall the strawmen from the radicals.
This is going to be the great culture war of this generation. SJW "kill whitey", accept me for identifying as a cloud, and be gay or die, and fat is beautiful school of thought, vs /pol/'s Joules evola, Seig hail, traditional values or die, all untermensh in the oven.
Though tbh, as someone who spent a few months on both sides. Each just circle jerks over images of straw men and are told "all of X are like this." then they take it to the extreme and never stop to question what they're doing. They'll grow out of it.
No. The great culture war of this generation is whether or not the republic morphs into an autocracy, or if it turns into a theocracy.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on February 26, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
I'd be curious about whether that person is now over-the-top and convinced they're right in some other area of life, which is something I've seen a lot of with people who hold strong beliefs in an area.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on February 26, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
I'd be curious about whether that person is now over-the-top and convinced they're right in some other area of life, which is something I've seen a lot of with people who hold strong beliefs in an area.
For myself I have a fair bit to say on CT and recovery. In essence I embraced agnostic thought to handle the religious end (my 'personal experience' IS NOT truth or reality, just a favorite lens) and decided to not allow the more realistic CT stuff to become a focus of fear and stunt my life. PD helped with this, but I had to make choices. Will write up something more meaningful and open a thread in the next few days here.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 26, 2015, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on February 26, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
I'd be curious about whether that person is now over-the-top and convinced they're right in some other area of life, which is something I've seen a lot of with people who hold strong beliefs in an area.
For myself I have a fair bit to say on CT and recovery. In essence I embraced agnostic thought to handle the religious end (my 'personal experience' IS NOT truth or reality, just a favorite lens) and decided to not allow the more realistic CT stuff to become a focus of fear and stunt my life. PD helped with this, but I had to make choices. Will write up something more meaningful and open a thread in the next few days here.
Looking forward to it!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Meunster on February 26, 2015, 02:32:17 PM
It's to the point where I can't tall the strawmen from the radicals.
This is going to be the great culture war of this generation. SJW "kill whitey", accept me for identifying as a cloud, and be gay or die, and fat is beautiful school of thought, vs /pol/'s Joules evola, Seig hail, traditional values or die, all untermensh in the oven.
Though tbh, as someone who spent a few months on both sides. Each just circle jerks over images of straw men and are told "all of X are like this." then they take it to the extreme and never stop to question what they're doing. They'll grow out of it.
No. The great culture war of this generation is whether or not the republic morphs into an autocracy, or if it turns into a theocracy.
Which is why the gender/social issues war is so useful. Note: I don't think it's a conspiracy or whatever, just people attempting to assert control over the only politics left available to them, because Wall Street firms and oil money men bought the rest.
Quote from: Cain on February 26, 2015, 04:45:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Meunster on February 26, 2015, 02:32:17 PM
It's to the point where I can't tall the strawmen from the radicals.
This is going to be the great culture war of this generation. SJW "kill whitey", accept me for identifying as a cloud, and be gay or die, and fat is beautiful school of thought, vs /pol/'s Joules evola, Seig hail, traditional values or die, all untermensh in the oven.
Though tbh, as someone who spent a few months on both sides. Each just circle jerks over images of straw men and are told "all of X are like this." then they take it to the extreme and never stop to question what they're doing. They'll grow out of it.
No. The great culture war of this generation is whether or not the republic morphs into an autocracy, or if it turns into a theocracy.
Which is why the gender/social issues war is so useful. Note: I don't think it's a conspiracy or whatever, just people attempting to assert control over the only politics left available to them, because Wall Street firms and oil money men bought the rest.
I want to tattoo that on my forehead.
It's easy to see the appeal, if you aim low and just set your sights on simply being accepted as a regular zek, you never have to confront that pesky issue of never being anything more than a zek. The aspiration to be something more than a simple factor in the course of production requires a kind of courage most of us simply cannot muster while separated from one another. It's a winning strategy for everyone involved, regardless of which side they happen to be on at any moment. Tumblr activism is the perfect ghetto to house possible dissidents of the younger generation. The various authorities don't even have to invest in informants to keep tabs, the radicals simply stay home no matter what, using devices that passively collect any data of value anyhow.
Meanwhile the far right gains ground in real life here and especially in Europe. In spite of it's completely bankrupt ideology, the german communist movement was at least still strong enough to fight the brownshirts in the streets for a few years. Can you imagine how quickly some of our own home grown fascists will cut through the drum circleists and identity politicians? Yikes
Wut?
Whoops yeah I could have provided some context, it was meant in reply to the comment about identity politics being what's left that people still have control over. It presents itself as something inherently problematic in that the goals of identity politics are immediately desirable while at the same time being self-defeating in the long run. The bitter tea parable if I haven't misread it, I guess.
You make some astute observations, there.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on February 26, 2015, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2015, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 25, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
A tactic that I have been using pretty successfully for the last few years, and one that I think works really well when I want to engage in one of those conversations, is to check my own damn privilege.
It's weird how many people who throw out the "check your privilege" line are unwilling to actually do it themselves. Garbo comes to mind; when her privilege was brought up, she left the board rather than examine it.
When I asked her about hiking on land that had belonged to three specific Native American tribes, I was being stupid.
And that video she posted...CHRIST. Hey, thanks for validating the "Gay panic defense", assholes!
That was so fucked up.
No doubt she went to surround herself with people who let her comfortably deny her own privilege rather than challenging her. Growth is uncomfortable.
It's weird. A certain type of person goes to tumblr, and they are consumed. They strap a uniform on, to remove the onerous burden of introspection.
I am sure people have recovered from this, as I am sure the occasional conspiracy theorist snaps out of it...But I have never seen either one happen.
I have talked to one recovered conspiracy theorist.
So those at least exist.
I posted an article to Nigel about that very thing, and started reading a little more. Apparently, CTers can snap out of it if they can actually manage to look at the structure of their beliefs, which collapse more or less on sight.
Problem is, it is almost impossible to get them to do this.
Yep, It's not the sort of thing you can make people do, all you can do is help them if they seem to be trying.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
(Snip)
I'd be curious about whether that person is now over-the-top and convinced they're right in some other area of life, which is something I've seen a lot of with people who hold strong beliefs in an area.
He did not respond like that, he simply decided for himself that he'd rather be normal enough to hold on to a job. He is actually very mellow and relaxed about all kinds of polarizing topics. I'm quite impressed since I expected someone in this kind of situation to be overcompensating.
Quote from: Mundus Est Fabula on February 26, 2015, 05:33:47 PM
It's easy to see the appeal, if you aim low and just set your sights on simply being accepted as a regular zek, you never have to confront that pesky issue of never being anything more than a zek. The aspiration to be something more than a simple factor in the course of production requires a kind of courage most of us simply cannot muster while separated from one another. It's a winning strategy for everyone involved, regardless of which side they happen to be on at any moment. Tumblr activism is the perfect ghetto to house possible dissidents of the younger generation. The various authorities don't even have to invest in informants to keep tabs, the radicals simply stay home no matter what, using devices that passively collect any data of value anyhow.
Meanwhile the far right gains ground in real life here and especially in Europe. In spite of it's completely bankrupt ideology, the german communist movement was at least still strong enough to fight the brownshirts in the streets for a few years. Can you imagine how quickly some of our own home grown fascists will cut through the drum circleists and identity politicians? Yikes
Yeah. Right now the only thing that seems to be dividing them is their own internal wranglings, along the Nouvelle Droit/Eurofascist lines. And given Russia's recent prominence among the Europrean Far Right, I can't help but worry that those home grown fascists will have a disturbingly international dimension to them.
Quote from: Mundus Est Fabula on February 26, 2015, 07:28:03 PM
Whoops yeah I could have provided some context, it was meant in reply to the comment about identity politics being what's left that people still have control over. It presents itself as something inherently problematic in that the goals of identity politics are immediately desirable while at the same time being self-defeating in the long run. The bitter tea parable if I haven't misread it, I guess.
The misunderstanding was mine I think. I had bunches of stuff on my mind and didn't process.
What is the bitter tea parable if I may ask?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 27, 2015, 12:55:06 AM
*snip*
What is the bitter tea parable if I may ask?
really big image behind the link http://i.imgur.com/VtkLqP9.jpg
Quote from: Mundus Est Fabula on February 26, 2015, 07:28:03 PM
Whoops yeah I could have provided some context, it was meant in reply to the comment about identity politics being what's left that people still have control over. It presents itself as something inherently problematic in that the goals of identity politics are immediately desirable while at the same time being self-defeating in the long run. The bitter tea parable if I haven't misread it, I guess.
That's a great point about empowerment. Though on the downsides tip, I'd add that besides making oneself a target, ascribing your identity to a canned, off the shelf label ultimately makes discussions a battle of egos rather than ideas. It takes very little set off our tribal instincts and to shut down our forebrain.