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Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: hooplala on April 14, 2015, 04:21:15 AM

Title: Blood under Red Light
Post by: hooplala on April 14, 2015, 04:21:15 AM
Asking this in Lit because its for a work of fiction, and also seems too random and stupid even for Apple Talk.

Anyone know what blood would look like under red light light?  I tried googling, but it doesn't seem to be something lots of people are dying to know.  I could find out in... other ways... but this seems most legal.

Anyone already know?  I won't ask how you know, if you don't want me to.

I suspect it would look black, or possibly just sort of blend in, but knowing for certain would help me a lot.  Thanks folks.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2015, 04:22:37 AM
what background is it against? I imagine that would make a difference.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Cain on April 14, 2015, 04:40:03 AM
Stage blood apparently looks like chocolate sauce (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ItCtBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=blood+under+a+red+light&source=bl&ots=Ycy-92-LlL&sig=HHpcCDKyt7N529-bglfBwD1WLjI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U4ssVeH0DMPUObrPgFA&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=blood%20under%20a%20red%20light&f=false) under a red light, so black might not be far off, especially if its venous blood.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2015, 04:55:36 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2015, 04:40:03 AM
...especially if its venous blood.

Unless this is occurring in space (or possibly in Detroit) the blood will take on oxygen and take on the red of arterial blood immediately upon being spilled
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Cain on April 14, 2015, 05:05:45 AM
 :roll:

Even "de-oxygenated" venous blood still has a good 75% oxygen saturation, and while initial blood contact with the air can almost reach the high saturation that arterial blood has (roughly 99%) this quickly diminishes due to red blood cells dying.  Therefore, after any prolonged exposure to to the air, blood will take on a darker colour, and this process is quicker with venous blood due to the lower overall saturation level.

If you're going to be a pendant, at least be meticulous about it.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2015, 05:25:25 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2015, 05:05:45 AM
:roll:

Even "de-oxygenated" venous blood still has a good 75% oxygen saturation, and while initial blood contact with the air can almost reach the high saturation that arterial blood has (roughly 99%) this quickly diminishes due to red blood cells dying.  Therefore, after any prolonged exposure to to the air, blood will take on a darker colour, and this process is quicker with venous blood due to the lower overall saturation level.

If you're going to be a pendant, at least be meticulous about it.

Well at least I did point out that it wouldn't happen in space or places with no oxygen in the air
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Reginald Ret on April 14, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on April 14, 2015, 05:25:25 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2015, 05:05:45 AM
:roll:

Even "de-oxygenated" venous blood still has a good 75% oxygen saturation, and while initial blood contact with the air can almost reach the high saturation that arterial blood has (roughly 99%) this quickly diminishes due to red blood cells dying.  Therefore, after any prolonged exposure to to the air, blood will take on a darker colour, and this process is quicker with venous blood due to the lower overall saturation level.

If you're going to be a pendant, at least be meticulous about it.

Well at least ActuallyI did point out that it wouldn't happen in space or places with no oxygen in the air
Is more pedantish like this.

RE: OP, I have no experience with that, but I would assume black or dark brown.
Some factors that come into play here (some already mentioned):
How fresh is it?
Is it anemic?
Is it human?
Generally speaking though stuff of colour X under colour X light loses that colour.
Slightly more technical: The closer the wavelength spectrum of the lamp to the wavelength-absorption spectrum of blood, the more black it will be.
Slightly more practical: It is your story so just make the lamp exactly the right colour to make blood completely black.
Though I'm not sure if lamps like that can actually be made.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: LMNO on April 14, 2015, 12:54:40 PM
Wow, I knew all those years of being a wayward youth would pay off!

Under a red light, a pool of blood is black.  If you smear it, it's a dark rusty brown. 

LMNO
-I wanna take you to the goth club, goth club, goth club
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: hooplala on April 14, 2015, 02:39:45 PM
Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you all. Black it is!
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: hooplala on April 14, 2015, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2015, 05:05:45 AM
:roll:

Even "de-oxygenated" venous blood still has a good 75% oxygen saturation, and while initial blood contact with the air can almost reach the high saturation that arterial blood has (roughly 99%) this quickly diminishes due to red blood cells dying.  Therefore, after any prolonged exposure to to the air, blood will take on a darker colour, and this process is quicker with venous blood due to the lower overall saturation level.

If you're going to be a pendant, at least be meticulous about it.

This is gold. I love you Cain.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 06:24:32 AM
You guys remember that stupid dress? Blue and black, or white and gold?

This question is like that. On a purely physical level, blood under red light reflects red light, just as it reflects red light under full-spectrum conditions. On a subjective experience level, you may experience that as a completely holy fuck that is red red level, or you may experience that on an everything is reflecting red and this is a shiny black that is reflecting red level.

Just to make sure I wasn't missing anything I tested this out just now in my basement. Definitely red, but could easily be perceived as black depending on your top-down processes.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 06:29:13 AM
Blood under UV light, on the other hand, looks black black black to the human eye. So club environments could make a huge difference to the visual experience even if there was also long-wave light present.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 06:29:13 AM
Blood under UV light, on the other hand, looks black black black to the human eye. So club environments could make a huge difference to the visual experience even if there was also long-wave light present.


I had forgotten to account for black lights.  Good call, thanks!
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: hooplala on April 15, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
Well, sounds like I don't have any other option than to spill a good amount of blood under red light.

Right?

Right?
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
:science:
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on April 15, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
Well, sounds like I don't have any other option than to spill a good amount of blood under red light.

Right?

Right?

Come on over anytime!
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2015, 08:05:13 PM
You should be able to get pigs blood, no questions asked, from your local butcher.

If local butchers still exist in Canada, anyway.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
It comes in little tubs, if you buy it here.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 08:21:37 PM
Cheaper to get a live chicken from the flea market, though.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
Yeah, but PIGS BLOOD!  You can never have too much.
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 15, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 15, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
Yeah, but PIGS BLOOD!  You can never have too much.

True, and the tubs are ready to just pop into the freezer for later use!
Title: Re: Blood under Red Light
Post by: hooplala on April 15, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
I suspect the red light would be harder for me to procure than blood. I'm thinking really intense red neon light.

In all honesty, I think I will go with black, since it provides the most contrast.  But still, thank you all for the helpful input.