Being a young 18 year old my social consciousness didn't catch on till goth was on it's way out. I'm in an interesting position where all I can see is the reaction to goth culture. The hottopics, the odd southpark episode, the weird children it spawned like emo, scene, and ravers. It's not like I can go find a live stream of 10 years ago. So I'm asking you old farts, what was goth like in it's prime?
actually what where any subcultures like? Everything must of been completely different.
Which wave are we talking here? Siouxie Sioux/Bauhaus/Cure, or NIN/Manson/Lycia?
I sorta lived through both.
He's got the scars to prove it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 27, 2015, 08:33:34 PM
Which wave are we talking here? Siouxie Sioux/Bauhaus/Cure, or NIN/Manson/Lycia?
I sorta lived through both.
bauhaus and cure era
Goth was an elaborate hoax that started sometime in the fourtiers as a defiant gesture to the establishment by the nihilistic beat generation.
It hit its peak in the mid fifties, with goth artists, musicians, actors and writers creating what went on to become the defining staples of goth culture.
While goth culture sat uneasily with many conservative elements no one could deny its importance and people like Fermi, Von Braun and Feynman were household names.
By the end of the fifties goth culture was saturated, and it was at this point that its critics seized the opportunity to strike, they slated the goth mainstream as having become derivative or lacking in meaning. New goth artists struggled to establish themselves in a society that now found them cliche.
The final nail in the coffin for goth culture came with the assassination of the beloved American president JFK in Dallas in 1963 by the struggling and admittedly mediocre goth interpretive dancer Lee Oswald. With that the last of the enthusiasm that had once filled a thriving subculture was snuffed out.
And that, as they say, is that.
Also, they recited shitty poetry to the sound of bongos, which didn't help at all.
And they ruined snapping in lieu of clapping.
I dont know about its origins, but ive been in contact with people of the scene for about 15 years, and the practical meaning i derive from it is 2 very polarized lifestyles:
1) "I dont give a fuck" nihilistic hedonism which has its respective paths and ends.
2) A commital to art or culture in different manners.
As one can easily expect, the prevalent is the 1st lifestyle.
Quote from: Faust on July 27, 2015, 09:00:58 PM
Goth was an elaborate hoax that started sometime in the fourtiers as a defiant gesture to the establishment by the nihilistic beat generation.
It hit its peak in the mid fifties, with goth artists, musicians, actors and writers creating what went on to become the defining staples of goth culture.
While goth culture sat uneasily with many conservative elements no one could deny its importance and people like Fermi, Von Braun and Feynman were household names.
By the end of the fifties goth culture was saturated, and it was at this point that its critics seized the opportunity to strike, they slated the goth mainstream as having become derivative or lacking in meaning. New goth artists struggled to establish themselves in a society that now found them cliche.
The final nail in the coffin for goth culture came with the assassination of the beloved American president JFK in Dallas in 1963 by the struggling and admittedly mediocre goth interpretive dancer Lee Oswald. With that the last of the enthusiasm that had once filled a thriving subculture was snuffed out.
And that, as they say, is that.
:mittens:
The Goths were okay when they stayed in Germany. They wrecked everything when they moved into Gaul and Italy.
No, goth is not a thing. Goth was never a thing. Stop making up words and asking what they mean.
Flabbergazzle.
I was going to answer with a lot of thought, then I noticed who asked.
Then I noticed what you asked.
The scene was great if you loved the scene. Then the scene changed. And you either went with it or you became a hater.
What the hell are you even asking?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 29, 2015, 04:20:38 AM
I was going to answer with a lot of thought, then I noticed who asked.
Then I noticed what you asked.
The scene was great if you loved the scene. Then the scene changed. And you either went with it or you became a hater.
What the hell are you even asking?
What was it like? at a regular goth meeting type thing? The small little details.
Quote from: Meunster on July 29, 2015, 04:24:35 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 29, 2015, 04:20:38 AM
I was going to answer with a lot of thought, then I noticed who asked.
Then I noticed what you asked.
The scene was great if you loved the scene. Then the scene changed. And you either went with it or you became a hater.
What the hell are you even asking?
What was it like? at a regular goth meeting type thing? The small little details.
It's what you'd expect. The majority stockholders spoke, and everybody else shut the fuck up and sat in the back.
Unless they could form a bloc making them more or less equal with a majority stockholder. This wasn't common, because it was easier to kiss up to one of the majority stockholders. And the CEO, as always, some twit with good teeth and no survival instincts whatsoever.
Everything was going well until Lee Harvey Oswald got some unappreciated criticism at a particularly harsh poetry reading in the autumn of 1963.
The important part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVteChAiQuA#t=28
Quote from: Meunster on July 29, 2015, 04:24:35 AM
What was it like? at a regular goth meeting type thing? The small little details.
Fishnets, PVC, spooky white foundation, cleopatra eyeliner and massive backcombed hair. Oh and Daniel Ash's echo pedal when you're tripping balls.
Goth ruled. I miss it :cry:
hmm, i only know a few people who are modern goths, one person described her experiences as "deliberately having fun with macabre elements". then again this person happened to be as far removed from a nihilist mindset as a Twilight movie is from actual romance, so maybe this is a slightly different mutation?
I'm just happy there's no pics from my goth period.
Seriously. I Wake up every morning overjoyed that all the pics from that period are gone.
It was pretty much this, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-o39BJ0Aww) from 8 until 2, five nights a week.
The other three nights were for gay clubs and early 80s music.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 03, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
It was pretty much this, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-o39BJ0Aww) from 8 until 2, five nights a week.
The other three nights were for gay clubs and early 80s music.
Though a couple of nights a month it was this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGKcWsYahAg).
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 03, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
It was pretty much this, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-o39BJ0Aww) from 8 until 2, five nights a week.
The other three nights were for gay clubs and early 80s music.
The exact echo pedal I was talking about.
Quote from: PopeTom on August 04, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
Though a couple of nights a month it was this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGKcWsYahAg).
See this is the part I could never resolve. How could white zombie and marylin manson be "goth"? That's kinda like if they called basketball "golf" :eek:
The whole scene shattered into a million subgenres.
Did you know there was such a thing as a "graver"? Goths who roll on X and go to raves. And listen to Gabber.
Yeah I get the whole subgenres thing. Happened to metal back in the 80's when it split up into speed and death and thrash and fuck knows all what. Thing is, that shit made at least a bit of sense. You listen to x-metal and there's a family resemblance. Like, yeah, that's metal but goth? What the fuck does the new goth have in common with the old stuff? Like put yourself back in the 80's and show someone marylin manson, britney spears and the london philharmonic orchestra and ask "which one is 21st century goth" I'll be fucked if I could call it.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 08, 2015, 08:29:54 PM
Yeah I get the whole subgenres thing. Happened to metal back in the 80's when it split up into speed and death and thrash and fuck knows all what. Thing is, that shit made at least a bit of sense. You listen to x-metal and there's a family resemblance. Like, yeah, that's metal but goth? What the fuck does the new goth have in common with the old stuff? Like put yourself back in the 80's and show someone marylin manson, britney spears and the london philharmonic orchestra and ask "which one is 21st century goth" I'll be fucked if I could call it.
The perceived transgressivenes and dark themes?
Makes sense when you put it like that.
Is this thread still a thing?
Quote from: Meunster on August 09, 2015, 09:19:08 AM
Is this thread still a thing?
I'll trade you a hog's head for it.
(http://www.eatmedaily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hogshead.jpg)
That's a mighty fine hog's head, if I do say so myself.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2015, 07:00:34 PM
That's a mighty fine hog's head, if I do say so myself.
Fine you can have it. I don't need it anyways.
Quote from: Meunster on August 10, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
Quote from: Meunster on August 09, 2015, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 09, 2015, 07:00:34 PM
That's a mighty fine hog's head, if I do say so myself.
Fine you can have it. I don't need it anyways.
DEAL.
But I keep visitation rights every other weekend
No, this is a trade, not a divorce settlement.
There still are old-school goths in major cities. The LA industrial (and other darker genres) scene has quite a few people who are at least in their fifties, rocking old school black lacy dresses and suits. And often you can still hear Bauhaus... At least last time I was in LA, 2006.
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