(https://i.imgur.com/P0HpYEu.png)
pretty self explanatory as long as you understand marginal analysis:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marginal-analysis.asp
not all men.
This diagram doesn't even make sense according to economic theory. And that's quite an accomplishment.
Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
This diagram doesn't even make sense according to economic theory. And that's quite an accomplishment.
how so?
declining marginal benefits
increasing marginal costs
--holding all other things constant
makes perfect sense. looks like a standard graph of marginal benefits and marginal costs
(https://i.imgur.com/RsL20BL.gif)
Maybe you might want to define and/or measure literally anything before you slap lines on a graph.
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory:
The "good" the hypothetical individual here is consuming are units, or rather moments, of life. so the x-axis is time lived. Moving further to the right indicates that the person is living longer, and therefore consuming more and more units of life, time on earth, etc.
The y axis is utility (aka benefit). one can't actually measure utility in and of itself, so in most cases the utility is measured in dollars by assuming that the highest amount someone is willing to pay for something is a dollar measure of the utility one derives from it. In this case, because we can't really measure the value of a unit of life in dollars given our current means of measuring things, we have to just assume that there is a level of utility that exists and we could measure it if we had the ability to (and do we not all feel how much value we derive from consuming a certain product or doing a certain thing? are we not able to discern our own utility from consuming something? so, differing levels of utility do exist)
Let me now define MARGINAL utility as: "The additional satisfaction a consumer gains from consuming one more unit of a good or service" (thanks, Investopedia)
for normal goods, they obey the law of diminishing marginal utility (link to an explanation (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawofdiminishingutility.asp)). So, the curve labeled "marginal benefit of living one more moment" indicates that the additional utility of living another moment of life (aka consuming another unit of this good we're analyzing) declines with each unit consumed. Of course it may not be shaped like a straight line for anybody, but we're assuming that generally, over time, it trends downward. So a straight line is good enough to illustrate my point.
The curve labeled "marginal cost of living one more moment" assumes that the cost (in utility) of living one more moment of life, as we move rightward along the x-axis, goes up for each unit of life consumer, moment of life lived, however you'd like to say. This seems like a decent assumption to make. As we get older, life tends to suck more for most people and it's costlier to keep oneself alive. Organs deteriorate, as well as the mind. Even if the costs of living one more moment of life were constant throughout life (i.e. the marginal cost curve were horizontal) the graph would still illustrate my point:
Which is that, at time T* on the graph, the marginal cost of living one more moment of life equals the marginal benefits (at a utility level of U*). So, following this logic, continuing to live another moment past this will in fact cost more in terms of utility to a person than they get out of it (in other words, it will be "more trouble than it's worth").
I was really stoned when I came up with this idea.
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory
This is gonna be good, I can tell.
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
I was really stoned when I came up with this idea.
You could have led with this and saved us all a lot of time.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2015, 02:20:25 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory
This is gonna be good, I can tell.
:lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory:
This is going to end really well. I can sense it. :lulz:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2015, 02:20:25 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory
This is gonna be good, I can tell.
I am actually squeeing. Like OUT LOUD.
So, this guy graphed postmodernism. I fucking hate postmodernists. Modernists say there is a solution to everything. Postmodernists say everything is fucked and you can't fix it. So if you're sick of the miseryguts doom & gloom bullshit, punch a postmodernist.
Or maybe he graphed what he assumes middle age is like. I'm middle aged, and I'm fucking awesome. I am better off, and a better1 person than I was at 20.
But he's going to give us a lesson in macroeconomics. Someone give him the clown shoes.
1 Of course, I was a cunt to begin with, so...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
So, this guy graphed postmodernism. I fucking hate postmodernists. Modernists say there is a solution to everything. Postmodernists say everything is fucked and you can't fix it. So if you're sick of the miseryguts doom & gloom bullshit, punch a postmodernist.
I'm an American not any of your commie bullshit.
QuoteOr maybe he graphed what he assumes middle age is like. I'm middle aged, and I'm fucking awesome. I am better off, and a better1 person than I was at 20.
I'm a worse person than I was at 20. However, I like being worse.
I'm 9000 years old.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
But he's going to give us a lesson in macroeconomics. Someone give him the clown shoes.
Nah, macro is pretty fucked. Go read a book on that one.
How can the cost of living another moment (barring shit that makes you ask for euthanasia) EVER outweigh the benefit, to ME?
I might outlive my usefulness to YOU, or the Machine, but that's notnthe same. Is it?
I wanna LIVE!
I find that trying to put an economic value on life hardly ever leads to 'good things'...
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 05:34:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
So, this guy graphed postmodernism. I fucking hate postmodernists. Modernists say there is a solution to everything. Postmodernists say everything is fucked and you can't fix it. So if you're sick of the miseryguts doom & gloom bullshit, punch a postmodernist.
I'm an American not any of your commie bullshit.
QuoteOr maybe he graphed what he assumes middle age is like. I'm middle aged, and I'm fucking awesome. I am better off, and a better1 person than I was at 20.
I'm a worse person than I was at 20. However, I like being worse.
I'm 9000 years old.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:05:24 AM
But he's going to give us a lesson in macroeconomics. Someone give him the clown shoes.
Nah, macro is pretty fucked. Go read a book on that one.
:sotw:
Quote from: Rembo on October 20, 2015, 06:24:37 AM
How can the cost of living another moment (barring shit that makes you ask for euthanasia) EVER outweigh the benefit, to ME?
I might outlive my usefulness to YOU, or the Machine, but that's notnthe same. Is it?
I wanna LIVE!
I find that trying to put an economic value on life hardly ever leads to 'good things'...
We put value on life all the time though. It's part of living. If every life was infinitely valuable, in our world of scarcity, we'd have an irresolvable problem of resource allocation.
Anyway, death is a dilemma that we all must face. But maybe at some point we just get weary of being alive. Even if we assume we might some day be immortal, might we still realize that our human existence wasn't meant to last forever? Maybe death is as natural as being born and no less or more desirable. It just is.
Anyone? ? ? Anyone? ? ?
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(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/3f/Ben-stein.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100803022547)
We seem to be asking the tough questions ITT? Okay, let's go.
(http://favoritememes.com/_nw/31/83584968.jpg)
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit...
In this case, because we can't really measure the value of a unit of life in dollars given our current means of measuring things, we have to just assume that there is a level of utility that exists and we could measure it if we had the ability to.
:stfu1:
I'd like to invite everyone to the upcoming IPO of my life. I'm afraid we only accept bitcoin at this time.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:02:04 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2015, 02:20:25 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory
This is gonna be good, I can tell.
I am actually squeeing. Like OUT LOUD.
It's been a while since someone has come to teach us!
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 07:54:09 AM
Quote from: Rembo on October 20, 2015, 06:24:37 AM
How can the cost of living another moment (barring shit that makes you ask for euthanasia) EVER outweigh the benefit, to ME?
I might outlive my usefulness to YOU, or the Machine, but that's notnthe same. Is it?
I wanna LIVE!
I find that trying to put an economic value on life hardly ever leads to 'good things'...
We put value on life all the time though. It's part of living. If every life was infinitely valuable, in our world of scarcity, we'd have an irresolvable problem of resource allocation.
Anyway, death is a dilemma that we all must face. But maybe at some point we just get weary of being alive. Even if we assume we might some day be immortal, might we still realize that our human existence wasn't meant to last forever? Maybe death is as natural as being born and no less or more desirable. It just is.
How about we instead argue that death is desirable because without death there would be no evolution and therefore we wouldn't exist to be having this discussion or to have invented squishy, putative social sciences like economics?
-A Biologist
Ooh! Can we then argue that life itself is meaningless and has no inherent value, since the only true thing that's happening in the universe is the probabilistic movement of sub-atomic particles in the void?
Quote from: LMNO on October 20, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Ooh! Can we then argue that life itself is meaningless and has no inherent value, since the only true thing that's happening in the universe is the probabilistic movement of sub-atomic particles in the void?
As long as we're pretending that subjective experience doesn't exist, why not? Anything's fair game!
Quote from: rong on October 20, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
Anyone? ? ? Anyone? ? ?
\
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/3f/Ben-stein.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100803022547)
He was actually giving a real econ lecture when they filmed that movie
----themoreyouknow!!--->
Quote from: LMNO on October 20, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Ooh! Can we then argue that life itself is meaningless and has no inherent value, since the only true thing that's happening in the universe is the probabilistic movement of sub-atomic particles in the void?
this is my fetish
Quote from: Rembo on October 20, 2015, 06:24:37 AM
How can the cost of living another moment (barring shit that makes you ask for euthanasia) EVER outweigh the benefit, to ME?
I might outlive my usefulness to YOU, or the Machine, but that's notnthe same. Is it?
I wanna LIVE!
I find that trying to put an economic value on life hardly ever leads to 'good things'...
Actually, there are cases where the "cost" of living longer outweighs the "benefit" to the person doing the living, it's just not this linear bullshit clownshoes threw together.
For these purposes, let's call "benefit" as "positive experiences of being alive" such as interacting with other humans in pleasant ways, thinking interesting things, masturbating, etc. "Costs" will be "negative experiences of being alive" such as physical pain, emotional pain, and burdens on other humans.
If you're in a coma, you are not enjoying any of the benefits of being alive. There is a chance that you could regain the ability to do these things at some future date, so your "benefit" isn't zero, but it's not very high. If you're in a very stable state, maybe the cost to other humans isn't that high, and you're not in physical or emotional pain, so it's kind of a 50/50. If you're on lots and lots of expensive life support, and the chances of a recovery are even closer to zero, that math changes.
If you've been shot in the face, the cost to you of continuing to live is extremely high. But even this extremely high cost could be outweighed by the benefits of surviving to do fun things again. If you are in agonizing pain due to a deteriorating, untreatable condition, you have an extremely high cost of continued living and minimal benefit (since you don't have years of potential life left to fight for).
Twin brothers who were born deaf stayed close throughout their adult lives. They enjoyed their life together and made the most of it. When they were both diagnosed with an incurable condition that would render them both blind, they chose euthanasia. The cost of continued living without being able to communicate with one another was too high for their tastes. Whether you agree with them or not, they did that calculus.
Of course, all of this is hanging out in dangerous waters. Do you want mentally ill people trying to do this math? (protip: depressed people can't do math). Do you want the government doing this math?
No, I want thewake doing the math.
Show us the math, thewake. I want to see what kind of economic students the 584th ranked college in the USA is producing. Teach us, oh wise one.
Oh, SNAP!
To quote Joseph Jastrow 'Create a belief in the theory and the facts will create themselves'.
I don't know if this fits in with the serious debate going on, but I like the quote, and so should you.
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
No, I want thewake doing the math.
Show us the math, thewake. I want to see what kind of economic students the 584th ranked college in the USA is producing. Teach us, oh wise one.
what kind of math do you want me to do?
I mean, it's not like I can get the information out of someone's head and actually have real marginal benefit and marginal cost curves. The graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable. I'm also assuming moments of life is normal good, which may be quite stupid. :P
Notice that I explicitly said we are unable to actually measure utility. We just know it exists.
Quote from: themanwhocreatedjazz on October 20, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
To quote Joseph Jastrow 'Create a belief in the theory and the facts will create themselves'.
I don't know if this fits in with the serious debate going on, but I like the quote, and so should you.
This is a serious discussion?
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
No, I want thewake doing the math.
Show us the math, thewake. I want to see what kind of economic students the 584th ranked college in the USA is producing. Teach us, oh wise one.
what kind of math do you want me to do?
I mean, it's not like I can get the information out of someone's head and actually have real marginal benefit and marginal cost curves. The graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable. I'm also assuming moments of life is normal good, which may be quite stupid. :P
You're also assuming life gets less good as you get more of it. Most of the old people I know would disagree vehemently.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 05:02:04 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2015, 02:20:25 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Let me be more explicit, which may give all of you a lesson in microeconomics and marginal theory
This is gonna be good, I can tell.
I am actually squeeing. Like OUT LOUD.
It's been a while since someone has come to teach us!
I'm so happy!
Quote from: themanwhocreatedjazz on October 20, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
To quote Joseph Jastrow 'Create a belief in the theory and the facts will create themselves'.
I don't know if this fits in with the serious debate going on, but I like the quote, and so should you.
I do. I love it.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 20, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 20, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
No, I want thewake doing the math.
Show us the math, thewake. I want to see what kind of economic students the 584th ranked college in the USA is producing. Teach us, oh wise one.
what kind of math do you want me to do?
I mean, it's not like I can get the information out of someone's head and actually have real marginal benefit and marginal cost curves. The graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable. I'm also assuming moments of life is normal good, which may be quite stupid. :P
You're also assuming life gets less good as you get more of it. Most of the old people I know would disagree vehemently.
Lots of old people told me "high school was the best time of my life kiddo better take advantage of it while you can," and I was like holy fuck high school sucks you must have a shitty ass life. So I assume those people have declining marginal benefits of living life. My mom also told me getting old sucks. Of course old is relative. My mom is in her 50s.
Of course it could be that the marginal benefit of each moment lived rises before it starts to decline., so you'd get a curve that's some variant of this shape:
https://imgur.com/BwOdzSg (disregard that the graph is actually of a marginal revenue product curve)
I believe in my later explanation, I stipulated an overall downward trend. Not necessarily that things can't improve at some point. Maybe it increases all up until the very end, and then makes a steep dive (or maybe marginal cost just increases more steeply and eventually catches up with benefits, which increase more slowly or stay constant).
The idea that the marginal benefit of living another moment of life will always be higher than the marginal costs (in terms of utility) implies that it is desirable to live forever, which doesn't necessarily seem like the correct conclusion, at least not in this universe. :P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhoWantsToLiveForever
And of course there's always the possibility that I'm wrong.
Eternal life <=> procrastination level = expert
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
Lots of old people told me "high school was the best time of my life kiddo better take advantage of it while you can,"
Or maybe they're trying to get you to live in the moment, like a proper human.
I am puzzled by your insistence that at some point life isn't worth the money.
You sound like one of those libertariantards.
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: rong on October 20, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
Anyone? ? ? Anyone? ? ?
\
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/3f/Ben-stein.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100803022547)
He was actually giving a real econ lecture when they filmed that movie
----themoreyouknow!!--->
Quote from: LMNO on October 20, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Ooh! Can we then argue that life itself is meaningless and has no inherent value, since the only true thing that's happening in the universe is the probabilistic movement of sub-atomic particles in the void?
this is my fetish
Then you should probably major in physics or physical chemistry instead of economics. Not only is it a real science that is actually useful, but you might even be able to do something productive with your life.
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PMThe graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable.
Explain how it is a heuristic.
Start by looking up the definition of heuristic.
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PM
Notice that I explicitly said we are unable to actually measure utility.
And then define "utility" for the purposes of your alleged heuristic.
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
Lots of old people told me "high school was the best time of my life kiddo better take advantage of it while you can," and I was like holy fuck high school sucks you must have a shitty ass life.
That is a reasonable assumption. It's got to suck to peak before you turn 18.
QuoteSo I assume those people have declining marginal benefits of living life. My mom also told me getting old sucks. Of course old is relative. My mom is in her 50s.
Getting old does suck... physically. Primarily because after a while various parts start to break down or get tumors, plus getting old means getting closer to dying, which, in my experience, sucks more the older you get because life gets a lot more fun. So you're like, seriously, the party is just getting started and I'm gonna get thrown out? I'm 44 and my life is better than it's ever been, and getting better all the time, except for shit like not generally being as healthy or having as much stamina as when I was 20. My dad's in his late 80's and he's like, "every day's like Christmas! I gotta do more shit before I die!" so I take it shit keeps getting more fun. I don't think your graph takes that into consideration.
Quote
And of course there's always the possibility that I'm wrong.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 11:00:04 PM
Or maybe they're trying to get you to live in the moment, like a proper human.
I didn't know there was a way to be a proper human. If there is, I'm inclined to be an improper human.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 20, 2015, 11:03:30 PM
I am puzzled by your insistence that at some point life isn't worth the money.
You sound like one of those libertariantards.
I didn't say it wasn't worth the money. I never used monetary units in my admittedly simple theoretical analysis. I used utility. Although, for the cheap among us, it might not be worth it at times. I merely stated that at some point in a person's life, given they live long enough to reach this point and also assuming that my assumption of overall diminishing marginal utility and Economics isn't just about money. It's about choices.
I also am a libertariantard, or some mutant variant thereof.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2015, 12:05:31 AM
QuoteQuote from: LMNO on October 20, 2015, 02:49:53 PM
Ooh! Can we then argue that life itself is meaningless and has no inherent value, since the only true thing that's happening in the universe is the probabilistic movement of sub-atomic particles in the void?
this is my fetish
Then you should probably major in physics or physical chemistry instead of economics. Not only is it a real science that is actually useful, but you might even be able to do something productive with your life.
I love economics.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2015, 12:09:38 AM
Explain how it is a heuristic.
Start by looking up the definition of heuristic.
I know what heuristic means. A general rule of thumb of some sort. Wikipedia says it's "any approach to problem solving, learning, or discovery that employs a practical method not guaranteed to be optimal or perfect, but sufficient for the immediate goals." As a model, it's not a perfect representation of what I'm trying to get across because I don't know the exact shapes of how these curves would look because I can't get my hands on real data. Kind of like standard supply and demand curves in a textbook, which may not completely represent real-world markets but get the job done for understanding basic principles.
QuoteAnd then define "utility" for the purposes of your alleged heuristic.
Must not have made that clear enough. I'm using the standard economic definition of utility.
I think wikipedia expresses it well in this phrase: "it represents satisfaction experienced by the consumer of a good."
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2015, 12:22:13 AM
Getting old does suck... physically. Primarily because after a while various parts start to break down or get tumors, plus getting old means getting closer to dying, which, in my experience, sucks more the older you get because life gets a lot more fun. So you're like, seriously, the party is just getting started and I'm gonna get thrown out? I'm 44 and my life is better than it's ever been, and getting better all the time, except for shit like not generally being as healthy or having as much stamina as when I was 20. My dad's in his late 80's and he's like, "every day's like Christmas! I gotta do more shit before I die!" so I take it shit keeps getting more fun. I don't think your graph takes that into consideration.
Well it doesn't have to. As I said before, there just has to be an overall downward trend and either fixed or increasing marginal costs for it to work out that, at some point, the two lines will cross. My analysis just uses straight, downward/upward sloping lines for convenience.
I could have drawn it like this,which might more accurately reflect a normal human's life: https://imgur.com/eTBYoaX
please forgive my lack of labeling the new one, assume it's labeled the same as the original :P
I have nothing to add to this thread other than fuck you old people I'm gonna live forever.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2015, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PMThe graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable.
Explain how it is a heuristic.
Start by looking up the definition of heuristic.
Stop being so paradigm.
Quote from: thewake on October 21, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
I also am a libertariantard, or some mutant variant thereof.
You should have said so right away. Irreplaceable amounts of my time on this Earth - which is apparently declining in value - have been wasted.
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 04:17:45 AM
I have nothing to add to this thread other than fuck you old people I'm gonna live forever.
I feel this is the most appropriate response I have received thus far.
Quote from: thewake on October 21, 2015, 05:01:44 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 04:17:45 AM
I have nothing to add to this thread other than fuck you old people I'm gonna live forever.
I feel this is the most appropriate response I have received thus far.
Nast is a horrible little bastard who laughs at us in our flyover states. One day he'll run out of drugs and he'll have to deal with this shit like the rest of us.
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 06:39:21 AM
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
I don't have any secrets to staying young. As is evident by my face.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2015, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 06:39:21 AM
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
I don't have any secrets to staying young. As is evident by my face.
My secret is having chosen parents with good genetics for longevity. If everyone else just did as I do, y'all could look great forever too.
Oh, also you should have tried being black. Just a thought.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2015, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 06:39:21 AM
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
I don't have any secrets to staying young. As is evident by my face.
Nonsense. No one has ever seen your face underneath all that fur.
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2015, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 06:39:21 AM
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
I don't have any secrets to staying young. As is evident by my face.
Nonsense. No one has ever seen your face underneath all that fur.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12105703_993428914042098_5097058610941766649_n.jpg?oh=b5008fdb934bcfdb302ad5f51002e387&oe=5689DEDE)
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2015, 04:21:16 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2015, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 20, 2015, 06:54:46 PMThe graph, while based on a few assumptions that can be shown to generally be true, is ultimately more or less a heuristic that can't take into account all the multitude of variables that actually exist in the real world and may, or may not, be measurable.
Explain how it is a heuristic.
Start by looking up the definition of heuristic.
Stop being so paradigm.
:lulz: :lulz:
I really hope that you just made this turn of phrase up. I'd hate to think that it's already out there being used by civilians. That shit is weapons grade.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 21, 2015, 07:24:06 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 21, 2015, 06:39:21 AM
My secret to a youthful complexion is pork fat and sunscreen.
I don't have any secrets to staying young. As is evident by my face.
Nonsense. No one has ever seen your face underneath all that fur.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12105703_993428914042098_5097058610941766649_n.jpg?oh=b5008fdb934bcfdb302ad5f51002e387&oe=5689DEDE)
See? A spry young yeti in his 30s.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 12:25:37 AM
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:fap:
Do you really need economic proof to know when to off yourself?
hello this is thewake's mother. I found this website on his internet browser history. judging from his suicide note, I believe you people drove him to suicide.
I hope your happy with yourselves. our family is in a state of great grief, as thewake was a great, attractive, and very intelligent young man who was cheated in his life by never getting laid even once. and its all your fault. this website is a hive of scum and villainy.
--thewake's mom
edit:
it's only a joke guys please do not take the above SERIOUSLY
apologies
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
hello this is thewake's mother. I found this website on his internet browser history. judging from his suicide note, I believe you people drove him to suicide.
I hope your happy with yourselves. our family is in a state of great grief, as thewake was a great, attractive, and very intelligent young man who was cheated in his life by never getting laid even once. and its all your fault. this website is a hive of scum and villainy.
--thewake's mom
pics or it didn't happen, etc.
:postpics:
Also,
:cn:
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
hello this is thewake's mother. I found this website on his internet browser history. judging from his suicide note, I believe you people drove him to suicide.
I hope your happy with yourselves. our family is in a state of great grief, as thewake was a great, attractive, and very intelligent young man who was cheated in his life by never getting laid even once. and its all your fault. this website is a hive of scum and villainy.
--thewake's mom
Thinking this rates a ban.
I was kinda having fun poking the guy, but I understand if the mods don't want to deal with that kinda crap.
Please these guys couldn't get someone to kill them selfs if they tried.
They too cute.
hello
this is the wake, I have been reincarnated as a badly written forum post.
I killed myself because my marginal benefits=marginal costs
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2015, 06:15:59 PM
I was kinda having fun poking the guy, but I understand if the mods don't want to deal with that kinda crap.
I ain't gonna ban him. But that is definitely steering into behavior I would ban for.
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
hello this is thewake's mother. I found this website on his internet browser history. judging from his suicide note, I believe you people drove him to suicide.
I hope your happy with yourselves. our family is in a state of great grief, as thewake was a great, attractive, and very intelligent young man who was cheated in his life by never getting laid even once. and its all your fault. this website is a hive of scum and villainy.
--thewake's mom
edit:
it's only a joke guys please do not take the above SERIOUSLY
apologies
RIP
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2015, 06:15:59 PM
I was kinda having fun poking the guy, but I understand if the mods don't want to deal with that kinda crap.
I ain't gonna ban him. But that is definitely steering into behavior I would ban for.
He's just another run of the mill teenage douchebag. If he keeps up the 4chan stupidity I'll just put him on ignore.
You know, Thewake, there are some hell of smart and funny motherfuckers here. Maybe if you pay attention you can learn to be smart and funny, too.
You might even be salvageable despite the libertarianism. While libertarianism is usually associated with mediocre IQ scores and restricted, idealistic thinking, someone (maybe EOC?) recently pointed out that a brief libertarian phase in the late teens is a fairly normal part of development and not necessarily a cause for concern unless it persists into adulthood.
He's too busy trying to wow us now.
To teach us all about the wonders of macroeconomics, you see. Because we vile & elderly bastards have never been around the block; he is the only conscious person in a world of sheeple.
I have nothing against idealistic thinking. Hell, I still do it, sometimes.
It's just the extreme lack of compassion libertarians seem to exhibit that disturbs me.
Woah calm down haha.
These reactions are not what I was expecting. I am not here to wow anyone. I made this thread on a whim, and any discussion of the merits of my application of economic theory seem to have dissipated, so decided hey why not engage in the humorous banter already happening? It can be much more illuminating of some things than a serious discussion, in any case.
Apologies, in any case, for making a rather shitty and bad taste joke.
I didn't assume my libertarianism to be well received by everyone, but of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?) was the one who asked about it. I merely answered. It has little to do with this post, which was just application of economic theory to something it's generally not used to analyze (although I think it did a fairly good job :P ).
Quote from: LMNO on October 22, 2015, 07:53:31 PM
I have nothing against idealistic thinking. Hell, I still do it, sometimes.
It's just the extreme lack of compassion libertarians seem to exhibit that disturbs me.
Well, many libertarians would argue their ideas are the most compassionate ones (I wouldn't personally say school of thought has a monopoly on compassion).
hell there's even a group who have dubbed themselves "bleeding heart libertarians." ===> http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Same asshole or ignorant spag?
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
Woah calm down haha.
Oh, this IS calm. :lol:
QuoteThese reactions are not what I was expecting.
That's what they all say. If you want what you were expecting, try The Discordian Society group on Facebook.
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
(if I can call you Rog?)
Only if I'm fucking you on the regular.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:01 PM
Quote from: thewake on October 22, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
(if I can call you Rog?)
Only if I'm fucking you on the regular.
I've been looking for a creative way to lose my virginity for quite some time.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2015, 06:15:59 PM
I was kinda having fun poking the guy, but I understand if the mods don't want to deal with that kinda crap.
I ain't gonna ban him. But that is definitely steering into behavior I would ban for.
He's just another run of the mill teenage douchebag. If he keeps up the 4chan stupidity I'll just put him on ignore.
HEY, 4chan has many boards that are not stupid.
All exrcpt 2 are mean and cynical though.
Quote from: Meunster on October 23, 2015, 01:01:22 AM
HEY, 4chan has many boards that are not stupid.
You say that now.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Why do they ALL want to call you Rog? I've known you for going on nine years and I have NEVER had the urge to call you Rog.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Why do they ALL want to call you Rog? I've known you for going on nine years and I have NEVER had the urge to call you Rog.
It's a stupid fucking dominance game. Implied familiarity implying contempt implying superiority on his part.
It accomplished one of his intentions, though. I went straight to hating him. As far as feelings of superiority, I could give a shit less if he feels superior. He's a
libertarian.
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2015, 02:57:25 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Why do they ALL want to call you Rog? I've known you for going on nine years and I have NEVER had the urge to call you Rog.
It's a stupid fucking dominance game. Implied familiarity implying contempt implying superiority on his part.
It accomplished one of his intentions, though. I went straight to hating him. As far as feelings of superiority, I could give a shit less if he feels superior. He's a libertarian.
:lulz:
> :lulz:
the face of an accomplished psychoanalyst, able to pick out dominance complexes at the drop of a hat
A shame you hate me. Other than being a bit upset I might get banned for what I probably shouldn't have posted in the first place, I rather like everyone here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2015, 02:57:25 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Why do they ALL want to call you Rog? I've known you for going on nine years and I have NEVER had the urge to call you Rog.
It's a stupid fucking dominance game. Implied familiarity implying contempt implying superiority on his part.
It accomplished one of his intentions, though. I went straight to hating him. As far as feelings of superiority, I could give a shit less if he feels superior. He's a libertarian.
:lulz:
It's not even clever. I see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
Can I call you Rajah, Roger? The title is fitting and essentially pronounced the same. Some cultures even use the variant, Raja, as a given name.
The Good Reverend Roger, Rajah of Kookmenistan
(I'm getting my drunk on. This is where my brain is atm)
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
It's not even clever.
My cleverness is really hit-and-miss to be honest. One of my design flaws.
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here
isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:00:37 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
It's not even clever.
My cleverness is really hit-and-miss to be honest. One of my design flaws.
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
Gosh could you post those separately for me please? I would like to answer separately, but have only my phone to work with and formatting with Android's touch interface is truly frustrating.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
It's not even clever.
My cleverness is really hit-and-miss to be honest. One of my design flaws.
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here
isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 04:52:07 AM
A shame you hate me.
It was your goal.
Quote
Other than being a bit upset I might get banned for what I probably shouldn't have posted in the first place, I rather like everyone here.
You aren't going to get banned for being a useless dick. However, if you keep pestering me in PM about shit I wrote in 2011 or what medications I am on, or anything other than admin issues, you will be.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
The Good Reverend Roger, Rajah of Kookmenistan
Have all the peasants' mouths sewn shut.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
The Good Reverend Roger, Rajah of Kookmenistan
Have all the peasants' mouths sewn shut.
I shall fetch the minister of SHUT UP and relay your will sire.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:31:22 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
It's not even clever.
My cleverness is really hit-and-miss to be honest. One of my design flaws.
Thanks... :)
NOW SHUT UP!!!
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:31:42 AM
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
NO REALLY SHUT UP!!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2015, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 04:52:07 AM
A shame you hate me.
It was your goal.
No it wasn't.
But if we shall play the game of trying to guess someone else's motives, maybe it was your goal to find something about me to hate. :P
QuoteQuote
Other than being a bit upset I might get banned for what I probably shouldn't have posted in the first place, I rather like everyone here.
You aren't going to get banned for being a useless dick. However, if you keep pestering me in PM about shit I wrote in 2011 or what medications I am on, or anything other than admin issues, you will be.
:oops:
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:25:18 PM
No it wasn't.
But if we shall play the game of trying to guess someone else's motives, maybe it was your goal to find something about me to hate. :P
1. Yes it was. It was an attempt to humiliate. What did you
expect that to result in? It's how the universe works. Action/reaction. What other outcome could you have possibly been hoping for?
2. I never needed to find a reason. There's a certain type that marches right up and hands me a reason. Like, you know,
you.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:31:42 AM
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
These guys aren't kooks, maybe a bit fringy but they're all normal.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 04:52:07 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2015, 02:57:25 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2015, 08:38:31 PM
Quotebut of course my new friend Rog (if I can call you Rog?)
Oh FFS. :roll:
It never ends. One special snowflake after another.
Why do they ALL want to call you Rog? I've known you for going on nine years and I have NEVER had the urge to call you Rog.
It's a stupid fucking dominance game. Implied familiarity implying contempt implying superiority on his part.
It accomplished one of his intentions, though. I went straight to hating him. As far as feelings of superiority, I could give a shit less if he feels superior. He's a libertarian.
:lulz:
> :lulz:
the face of an accomplished psychoanalyst, able to pick out dominance complexes at the drop of a hat
He's right though. Assuming excessive familiarity via a disingenuous endearment or nickname is a classic power play. It's a shame you lack the self-awareness to recognize when you're exhibiting textbook passive-aggressive behaviors.
And by textbook, I mean that I finished a psychology BS a few months ago, and that is literally in the textbooks.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:31:42 AM
QuoteI see now that the kooks do indeed simply come up out the woodwork and make a beeline.
who here isn't a kook? I've been registered on this forum less than a month and haven't found a single poster that didn't fit that description.
I think you're projecting, given that for the most part we're all pretty socially functional and/or high-achieving.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 09:40:01 PM
And by textbook, I mean that I finished a psychology BS a few months ago, and that is literally in the textbooks.
:lol:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 09:40:01 PM
He's right though. Assuming excessive familiarity via a disingenuous endearment or nickname is a classic power play. It's a shame you lack the self-awareness to recognize when you're exhibiting textbook passive-aggressive behaviors.
And by textbook, I mean that I finished a psychology BS a few months ago, and that is literally in the textbooks.
and here all this time I thought I was just being a plain old asshole.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 05:31:22 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 04:53:39 AM
It's not even clever.
My cleverness is really hit-and-miss to be honest. One of my design flaws.
Oh now I remember what I wanted to ask you!
Do you consider yourself to be the product of some design? What I mean is do you think that there's a God or some sort of inherent purpose to your being?
This is critical to your idea here. If purpose is inherent then each and every breath serves it and is of value sufficient to heavily skew your "formula". If there's a God then the value of even your subjectively highest and lowest rates of "ROI" for various presumed "costs" of living are of no real impact as your existence serves the puropses of such a maker. See the book of Job for further illustration. Really.
If neither of those assertions reflect reality then the value of even one more breath approaches infinite and so will perpetually be higher than the "costs" and worth striving for and even perhaps sacrificing for the good of the group as a whole.
So upon what basis would you judge the value of a person's life?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 11:58:44 PM
Oh now I remember what I wanted to ask you!
Do you consider yourself to be the product of some design? What I mean is do you think that there's a God or some sort of inherent purpose to your being?
I consider myself an agnostic soft/weak atheist. I don't know if there's a God or inherent purpose, I don't believe one way or the other.
QuoteThis is critical to your idea here. If purpose is inherent then each and every breath serves it and is of value sufficient to heavily skew your "formula". If there's a God then the value of even your subjectively highest and lowest rates of "ROI" for various presumed "costs" of living are of no real impact as your existence serves the puropses of such a maker. See the book of Job for further illustration. Really.
If neither of those assertions reflect reality then the value of even one more breath approaches infinite and so will perpetually be higher than the "costs" and worth striving for and even perhaps sacrificing for the good of the group as a whole.
So upon what basis would you judge the value of a person's life?
Fuck, so I think I see where some misunderstanding might be happening here.
The utility on the original graph is the utility experienced by the person we're theoretically analyzing. It's not about anyone else's valuation's of how much their life is worth. In layman's terms, I'm saying at some point it's more bad than good to keep living from the perspective of the individual doing the living, so they will cease to live. Although, if the ceasing to live requires suicide, I did leave out of my analysis that suicide is rather unpleasant, so that's a pretty big problem with it.
I'm operating under the paradigm of the subjective theory of value. Economics has largely (barring some Marxist holdouts) adopted subjective value as its theory of value. Instead of saying that there is a value separate from individual people that determines price and whatnot, economists have come to the consensus that each person values things differently and it's their coming together and trading toward equilibrium that determines prices. You and I, we value things differently. I might pay as much as 50 bucks for a blowjob from an ugly hooker but the most you'll pay is 20. Economic value seems to be subjective.
Of course, if there is some standard of objective value like a God, you're possibly correct. Unless that God allows for subjective valuations of human life to exist.
Asking me on what basis I would judge the value of someone's life is a bit different from the graph I made, but I'll bite. I don't know, exactly. That's a pretty complex issue. For most people, I would kill them if they tried to kill me. So I guess you could say, in a lot of cases value(me)>value(murderous person). But I like to think I'd be nice enough to throw myself in front of a bus to save a toddler from getting ran over, so value(random toddler)>value(me), at least provisonally. I'm probably too much of a chicken to actually do it, so there's a good probability that value(me)>value(random toddler).
I have a feeling I'm not quite answering what you want me to, though.
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 09:40:01 PM
He's right though. Assuming excessive familiarity via a disingenuous endearment or nickname is a classic power play. It's a shame you lack the self-awareness to recognize when you're exhibiting textbook passive-aggressive behaviors.
And by textbook, I mean that I finished a psychology BS a few months ago, and that is literally in the textbooks.
and here all this time I thought I was just being a plain old asshole.
Don't worry, you are. Most assholes are pretty stereotypical. It takes a bit of cleverness to be an original asshole.
Quote from: thewake on October 25, 2015, 12:40:31 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 24, 2015, 11:58:44 PM
Oh now I remember what I wanted to ask you!
Do you consider yourself to be the product of some design? What I mean is do you think that there's a God or some sort of inherent purpose to your being?
I consider myself an agnostic soft/weak atheist. I don't know if there's a God or inherent purpose, I don't believe one way or the other.
QuoteThis is critical to your idea here. If purpose is inherent then each and every breath serves it and is of value sufficient to heavily skew your "formula". If there's a God then the value of even your subjectively highest and lowest rates of "ROI" for various presumed "costs" of living are of no real impact as your existence serves the puropses of such a maker. See the book of Job for further illustration. Really.
If neither of those assertions reflect reality then the value of even one more breath approaches infinite and so will perpetually be higher than the "costs" and worth striving for and even perhaps sacrificing for the good of the group as a whole.
So upon what basis would you judge the value of a person's life?
Fuck, so I think I see where some misunderstanding might be happening here.
The utility on the original graph is the utility experienced by the person we're theoretically analyzing. It's not about anyone else's valuation's of how much their life is worth. In layman's terms, I'm saying at some point it's more bad than good to keep living from the perspective of the individual doing the living, so they will cease to live. Although, if the ceasing to live requires suicide, I did leave out of my analysis that suicide is rather unpleasant, so that's a pretty big problem with it.
I'm operating under the paradigm of the subjective theory of value. Economics has largely (barring some Marxist holdouts) adopted subjective value as its theory of value. Instead of saying that there is a value separate from individual people that determines price and whatnot, economists have come to the consensus that each person values things differently and it's their coming together and trading toward equilibrium that determines prices. You and I, we value things differently. I might pay as much as 50 bucks for a blowjob from an ugly hooker but the most you'll pay is 20. Economic value seems to be subjective.
Of course, if there is some standard of objective value like a God, you're possibly correct. Unless that God allows for subjective valuations of human life to exist.
Asking me on what basis I would judge the value of someone's life is a bit different from the graph I made, but I'll bite. I don't know, exactly. That's a pretty complex issue. For most people, I would kill them if they tried to kill me. So I guess you could say, in a lot of cases value(me)>value(murderous person). But I like to think I'd be nice enough to throw myself in front of a bus to save a toddler from getting ran over, so value(random toddler)>value(me), at least provisonally. I'm probably too much of a chicken to actually do it, so there's a good probability that value(me)>value(random toddler).
I have a feeling I'm not quite answering what you want me to, though.
You should have just shortened this to "I'm not basing it on anything, just pulling shit out of my ass".
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2015, 01:39:54 AM
Quote from: thewake on October 24, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2015, 09:40:01 PM
He's right though. Assuming excessive familiarity via a disingenuous endearment or nickname is a classic power play. It's a shame you lack the self-awareness to recognize when you're exhibiting textbook passive-aggressive behaviors.
And by textbook, I mean that I finished a psychology BS a few months ago, and that is literally in the textbooks.
and here all this time I thought I was just being a plain old asshole.
Don't worry, you are. Most assholes are pretty stereotypical. It takes a bit of cleverness to be an original asshole.
Mostly, it takes getting YOUR OWN weird on, instead of taking the Official Conspiracy™ brand "weirdness". Thewake isn't a stupid guy, but he IS lazy, if he thinks jabbering economics and libertarianism is in any way off the beaten track. It's a 40 year old joke, and it wasn't funny or particularly strange when it was new.