BUY'M CHEAP'N STACK'M DEEP, I ALWAYS SAY!!!!
What you guise got in your cybervirtual shopping carts?
I got a .22LR/WMR Rough Rider and a 12GA Mossberg 88 Field/Security Combo! HELLS YEAH! NOT EVEN ON SALE OR NOTHIN! BUT I"M WAIT"N!!! MY EYE IS ALL OVE RTHAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!@
Savage Arms got a rebates like a motherfucker from now till the end of November! Totally tempted to gets me an 6.5 Creedmoor something OR WHATEVER, WOOOO!!!!!!
Thinken bout goin all A-Team/McGuyyver/DUKES A HAZZERD and mixing me up some explosive crossbow bolts outta some Aguilla Shotshells and roofing nails! I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I PITTY THE FOOL THAT TRY TO HUNTING SEASON THIS LIBRUL!!!!!! WHATEVER MURDOCH'S CATCHPHRASE WAS!!!!!!! YEEEEHAAAAAWWWW!!!!!
(also, jesus)
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
The only right answer to "what do I shoot someone with" is "something that turns them and their immediate surroundings into a greasy stain."
And the answer to "when do I shoot them" is "yes".
This is entirely unrelated to my brand new Car Cannon, accepts only American manufactured ammunition/motor vehicles, buy now before I go out of business and retire to a place with lax tax code and no extradition.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
I'm bad at words, but I'm good at pointing.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
A .22 is also one of the favoured calibre's for professional killers, due to being relatively quiet and their tendency to bounce around inside the body when hitting bone. A bullet that pierces the skull is going to liquify the brain, and inside the body, whatever internal organs it shreds through.
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2019, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
A .22 is also one of the favoured calibre's for professional killers, due to being relatively quiet and their tendency to bounce around inside the body when hitting bone. A bullet that pierces the skull is going to liquify the brain, and inside the body, whatever internal organs it shreds through.
People seem to have this idea that a .22 is comparable to a pellet.
It is in fact comparable to someone stabbing a person with a knitting needle at 900 feet per second.
:lulz: As always, you have such a way with words and imagery.
Which then, as you say, bounces around, and - given its slow speed - tends to tumble.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
So,
do aim below the ribs with a 22?
The Rough Rider is a single action only 6 round revolver. Rapid fire is probably not an option, though I'll be sure to try the trick where you hold down the trigger and just flap the hammer with your other hand. That would be COWBOY AF!
The one I'm getting does come with the 22WMR cylinder, though. I think those are about even with 380ACP. Hornady makes their "Critical Defense" line in that caliber. I'll be picking up a few boxes of that, along with some CCI TNT GREEN lead-free rounds because I'm also an environmentalist cowboy.
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
So, do aim below the ribs with a 22?
The Rough Rider is a single action only 6 round revolver. Rapid fire is probably not an option, though I'll be sure to try the trick where you hold down the trigger and just flap the hammer with your other hand. That would be COWBOY AF!
The one I'm getting does come with the 22WMR cylinder, though. I think those are about even with 380ACP. Hornady makes their "Critical Defense" line in that caliber. I'll be picking up a few boxes of that, along with some CCI TNT GREEN lead-free rounds because I'm also an environmentalist cowboy.
This is getting a little weird.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
So, do aim below the ribs with a 22?
The Rough Rider is a single action only 6 round revolver. Rapid fire is probably not an option, though I'll be sure to try the trick where you hold down the trigger and just flap the hammer with your other hand. That would be COWBOY AF!
The one I'm getting does come with the 22WMR cylinder, though. I think those are about even with 380ACP. Hornady makes their "Critical Defense" line in that caliber. I'll be picking up a few boxes of that, along with some CCI TNT GREEN lead-free rounds because I'm also an environmentalist cowboy.
This is getting a little weird.
Which part?
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
So, do aim below the ribs with a 22?
The Rough Rider is a single action only 6 round revolver. Rapid fire is probably not an option, though I'll be sure to try the trick where you hold down the trigger and just flap the hammer with your other hand. That would be COWBOY AF!
The one I'm getting does come with the 22WMR cylinder, though. I think those are about even with 380ACP. Hornady makes their "Critical Defense" line in that caliber. I'll be picking up a few boxes of that, along with some CCI TNT GREEN lead-free rounds because I'm also an environmentalist cowboy.
This is getting a little weird.
Which part?
The fapping part.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 02:58:54 PM
Don't shoot anyone with a .22, it'll likely just piss them off. The Mossberg 12 gauge is probably a much better option, if you HAVE to shoot someone, but try not shooting them in the first place, words can work.
Balls. The trick with a 22 is to fire rapidly, because you don't have to bring your aim down. Lower center mass (abdomen/groin) to avoid having ribs deflect your bullets.
7 small wounds will kill faster than one big wound.
So, do aim below the ribs with a 22?
The Rough Rider is a single action only 6 round revolver. Rapid fire is probably not an option, though I'll be sure to try the trick where you hold down the trigger and just flap the hammer with your other hand. That would be COWBOY AF!
The one I'm getting does come with the 22WMR cylinder, though. I think those are about even with 380ACP. Hornady makes their "Critical Defense" line in that caliber. I'll be picking up a few boxes of that, along with some CCI TNT GREEN lead-free rounds because I'm also an environmentalist cowboy.
This is getting a little weird.
Which part?
The fapping part.
Yeah, but it's "green", tho.
Green fapping. You're right about how the round tumbles when it encounters bone, and how it's quiet, very on point, it does that. It just lacks stopping power, which is generally a good idea if you're using a firearm for self defense, but if you want to be a .22 assassin fuck, I'm not about to stop you, go on with yo bad self.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
Green fapping. You're right about how the round tumbles when it encounters bone, and how it's quiet, very on point, it does that. It just lacks stopping power, which is generally a good idea if you're using a firearm for self defense, but if you want to be a .22 assassin fuck, I'm not about to stop you, go on with yo bad self.
Stopping power is mostly a myth, and isn't really a factor (beyond really hard-hitting shit, like old-timey Mausers). A pistol round that doesn't hit anything crucial is unlikely to stop a person with adrenaline going. The odds are better to poke multiple holes, and hit something the person has a hard time doing without. The only actual "stopping power" is blood loss.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
Green fapping. You're right about how the round tumbles when it encounters bone, and how it's quiet, very on point, it does that. It just lacks stopping power, which is generally a good idea if you're using a firearm for self defense, but if you want to be a .22 assassin fuck, I'm not about to stop you, go on with yo bad self.
Unless somebody gets the drop on me while I'm out fapping my green cowboy hammer, I probably won't be using it on any humans. I'd more likely choose the shotgun, the 9mm pistol, or one of the 3 AR-15s I've collected over the last couple of years.
Or maybe all three ARs duct taped together with the cowboy gun fixed to the middle one like a bayonet so they know I'm a serious cowboy.
I'm a giant firearms nerd (ask me about my firearms designs! I have several that will NEVER be produced!) and I find OP has kind of gone into batshitland a bit here.
The fapping is palpable.
Quote from: nullified on November 07, 2019, 09:09:57 PM
I'm a giant firearms nerd (ask me about my firearms designs! I have several that will NEVER be produced!) and I find OP has kind of gone into batshitland a bit here.
The fapping is palpable.
I had thought it was satire at first.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 07, 2019, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: nullified on November 07, 2019, 09:09:57 PM
I'm a giant firearms nerd (ask me about my firearms designs! I have several that will NEVER be produced!) and I find OP has kind of gone into batshitland a bit here.
The fapping is palpable.
I had thought it was satire at first.
Same. Hence the Car Cannon.
I thought we were talking about my dick, wtf?
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
Green fapping. You're right about how the round tumbles when it encounters bone, and how it's quiet, very on point, it does that. It just lacks stopping power, which is generally a good idea if you're using a firearm for self defense, but if you want to be a .22 assassin fuck, I'm not about to stop you, go on with yo bad self.
Unless somebody gets the drop on me while I'm out fapping my green cowboy hammer, I probably won't be using it on any humans. I'd more likely choose the shotgun, the 9mm pistol, or one of the 3 AR-15s I've collected over the last couple of years.
Or maybe all three ARs duct taped together with the cowboy gun fixed to the middle one like a bayonet so they know I'm a serious cowboy.
If you are currently planning on shooting someone please keep it to yourself, we have already had a cannibal guy on the forum, I don't really want a columbine as well.
Quote from: Faust on November 07, 2019, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 07, 2019, 07:59:17 PM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 07, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
Green fapping. You're right about how the round tumbles when it encounters bone, and how it's quiet, very on point, it does that. It just lacks stopping power, which is generally a good idea if you're using a firearm for self defense, but if you want to be a .22 assassin fuck, I'm not about to stop you, go on with yo bad self.
Unless somebody gets the drop on me while I'm out fapping my green cowboy hammer, I probably won't be using it on any humans. I'd more likely choose the shotgun, the 9mm pistol, or one of the 3 AR-15s I've collected over the last couple of years.
Or maybe all three ARs duct taped together with the cowboy gun fixed to the middle one like a bayonet so they know I'm a serious cowboy.
If you are currently planning on shooting someone please keep it to yourself, we have already had a cannibal guy on the forum, I don't really want a columbine as well.
That was that weird Lucas guy, right?
Yeah that luka guy hxxps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Magnotta
Also I thought Bruno was some new guy registering to talk about guns, but Its frankster, disregard my panicking. Though maybe I should be as I have object impermanence and if someone changes their name they literally dont exist any more
Quote from: Faust on November 07, 2019, 11:47:53 PM
Yeah that luka guy hxxps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Magnotta
Also I thought Bruno was some new guy registering to talk about guns, but Its frankster, disregard my panicking. Though maybe I should be as I have object impermanence and if someone changes their name they literally dont exist any more
I knew it was Frankster and I'm still a little freaked out.
Taurus Judge (https://youtu.be/flaahejXw8E)
shoots 45 long colt and/or 410 shotgun shells (birdshot, buckshot, slugs)
you know, so you can stun, injure and paint the walls
410 doesn't work though when it comes to people. You need a better people round. You need something that is going to do a lot more damage than a bb gun.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 12:10:10 AM
410 doesn't work though when it comes to people. You need a better people round. You need something that is going to do a lot more damage than a bb gun.
Jesus.
This kind of brain-damaged shit is PRECISELY why I advocate the first strike use of nuclear weapons for any reason or no reason at all.
"I LEARNED ALL THE BALLISTICS THEORY I EVER NEEDED WATCHING DIRTY HARRY."
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:joshua:
Pro tip: pretty much fucking ANYTHING traveling over 600 feet per second will fuck you up. Including 6mm plastic BBs.
Pretty much fucking ANYTHING traveling over 800 feet per second will stand a good chance of killing you. Including 6mm plastic BBs.
When you look at shards of hot fucking metal, 400 feet per second can damn well be enough. Two shot derringers were popular in cowboy times for a reason, and it wasn't fucking target practice.
In fact, one of the early military guns of serious tactical note wasn't even a firearm.
It was a fucking air gun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
Quote from: nullified on November 08, 2019, 01:20:38 AM
In fact, one of the early military guns of serious tactical note wasn't even a firearm.
It was a fucking air gun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
It was also genius. The ability to fire and reload in a prone position changed warfare forever, leaving aside the removal of dense clouds of smoke from gun powder. If this weapon had been developed further, to remove the problems inherent with the poor metallurgy of the time, the entire 19th century would have worked out very differently.
Um, wtf? Just to put you guises minds at rest, I am at work eating my lunch and not on a shooting spree. You can relax.
Posted from my fully-semi Glock Uzi using RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAPATALK!!!
Quote from: Bruno on November 08, 2019, 02:12:21 AM
Um, wtf? Just to put you guises minds at rest, I am at work eating my lunch and not on a shooting spree. You can relax.
Posted from my fully-semi Glock Uzi using RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT-TAPATALK!!!
I was hoping that was the case.
9mm is usually what I reccomend to people who've not shot a gun before. Seriously you can blaze off some near rapid fire 9mm.
It doesn't pierce body armor but like it will stop a person dead in their tracks. If someone is wearing body armor then you're in a whole other world of trouble.
It also feels pretty shitty to get shot multiple times, so you can go ahead and eat like, 20 bullets, you won't feel good after.
I just threw up like, 20 times, that, sucked. Whoever is pulling the black magic lever please stop, consider me, it sucks. Ok carry on, just don't hurt me so much.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 07:33:22 AM
9mm is usually what I reccomend to people who've not shot a gun before. Seriously you can blaze off some near rapid fire 9mm.
It doesn't pierce body armor but like it will stop a person dead in their tracks. If someone is wearing body armor then you're in a whole other world of trouble.
I got a 9mm based on some chart I saw that gave percentages of attacks stopped by the first shot of different calibers. 9mm was 80% as good as the best one on the chart, and it's about the second cheapest round after 22lr, which is good for, you know, stack'n 'm deap. I have probably 1400 rounds or so, not proper defense rounds, tho. Round nose practice rounds mostly. I think I do have like one box of defense rounds.
It's a pretty small gun, though. For someone like me who just got into shooting in the last couple of years, it's still a little unnerving having explosions going off in my hands with relatively little between me and it.
I bought my first gun about a year and a half ago. It was a Ruger 10/22, and I bought it at a gun store here in town. Shortly after, I got an M&P Shield 9mm and an M&P ar-15 which I bought online and picked up at a pawn shop in town. I think I got all three in 2018.
This year, I've bought 2 Palmetto State Armory ar-15 kits when they had a special around Memorial Day. It included a complete upper, and all the parts to finish the lower. I just got the stripped lowers a few weeks ago, and haven't made time to finish them.
But here we are, now. The last Black Friday before the election, and all the cool kids are getting locked and loaded for whatever 2020 has in store for us (HASHTAGCIVILWAR2020) and I'm wondering how many more guns I need, and what kind.
I don't have a shotgun. I don't have a larger caliber rifle. I have decided on 6.5 Creedmoor as my caliber of choice If I get one, and 12 gauge if I get a shotgun. I ain't got shit for armor piercing other than a box of 150 green tip m855s. Otherwise I got about another 600 rounds of 556, mostly m193.
I also have something like 6000 22lr in Remington Thunderbolts, Aguila Super Extra, and the ever popular CCI Mini-Mags, LRN and hollow point.
Every so often I think to myself "Hey man, wtf are you doing, anyway? What are you ever even going to do with all this shit? How many rounds do you really think you're going to get off before you take one to the dome? What's the plan? Do you even have a plan? Prolly nothing's gonna happen anyway." and right about then the great pumpkin comes out with some tweet dogwhistling about CIVIL WAR and shit, and I'm all like "maybe a dozen or so of those SCCY 9mms to pass out to muh friends and another couple hundred lbs of Pintos sounds like a good idea right about now."
So yeah... SATIRE? What the fuck is satire any more? When everything is satire, can anything
really be satire?
Satire is dead. MAD Magazine shut down because reality got so stupid any parody of it is more sensible than reality itself. Satire is just a source of new ideas for people not smart enough to come up with any of their own. All that's left is to start stealing
their ideas, which mostly boil down to "Buy more guns and keep a sharp eye out for bad ideas,
especially the sarcastic ones."
Anyway, sorry you're sick. Hope you get to feeling better. I was sober when I started typing this, and then not so much by this point, but hey. Reality sets a pretty low bar these days, and I'm milking it for all it's worth.
Quote from: Bruno on November 08, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
Satire is dead. MAD Magazine shut down because reality got so stupid any parody of it is more sensible than reality itself. Satire is just a source of new ideas for people not smart enough to come up with any of their own. All that's left is to start stealing their ideas, which mostly boil down to "Buy more guns and keep a sharp eye out for bad ideas, especially the sarcastic ones."
As someone who was staunchly anti-gun, the last 3 years have really shaken that in me.
There is a theory that reality is a simulation run as an experiment, its possible the intern running the experiment was told by the boss to cut costs and we've had our RAM pulled and the intern is just looking at the spinning "Not responding" icon
What the fuck is this thread
Yeah, it's making me really uncomfortable
"Every so often I think to myself "Hey man, wtf are you doing, anyway? What are you ever even going to do with all this shit? How many rounds do you really think you're going to get off before you take one to the dome? What's the plan? Do you even have a plan? Prolly nothing's gonna happen anyway." and right about then the great pumpkin comes out with some tweet dogwhistling about CIVIL WAR and shit, and I'm all like "maybe a dozen or so of those SCCY 9mms to pass out to muh friends and another couple hundred lbs of Pintos sounds like a good idea right about now."
Is a big red flag for me, Jerry, what scenario are you describing here exactly?
Because that reads like you are envisioning some last stand scenario which depending on the interpretation would place this gun thread somewhere between trigger warning (sorry, not sorry), and submit to tips.fbi.gov
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2019, 10:31:24 AM
Quote from: Bruno on November 08, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
Satire is dead. MAD Magazine shut down because reality got so stupid any parody of it is more sensible than reality itself. Satire is just a source of new ideas for people not smart enough to come up with any of their own. All that's left is to start stealing their ideas, which mostly boil down to "Buy more guns and keep a sharp eye out for bad ideas, especially the sarcastic ones."
As someone who was staunchly anti-gun, the last 3 years have really shaken that in me.
There is a theory that reality is a simulation run as an experiment, its possible the intern running the experiment was told by the boss to cut costs and we've had our RAM pulled and the intern is just looking at the spinning "Not responding" icon
I have been saying this for years, at least at a different level.
The Brits did not "lose" the revolution. They threw the fight, and then walked away. Just to see what would happen if you put all your crazy people in one place and didn't put anyone in charge. It's an experiment.
Quote from: The Johnny on November 08, 2019, 11:44:34 AM
What the fuck is this thread
It's AMERICA! *angelic chorus sings*
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
Yeah, it's making me really uncomfortable
"Every so often I think to myself "Hey man, wtf are you doing, anyway? What are you ever even going to do with all this shit? How many rounds do you really think you're going to get off before you take one to the dome? What's the plan? Do you even have a plan? Prolly nothing's gonna happen anyway." and right about then the great pumpkin comes out with some tweet dogwhistling about CIVIL WAR and shit, and I'm all like "maybe a dozen or so of those SCCY 9mms to pass out to muh friends and another couple hundred lbs of Pintos sounds like a good idea right about now."
Is a big red flag for me, Jerry, what scenario are you describing here exactly?
Because that reads like you are envisioning some last stand scenario which depending on the interpretation would place this gun thread somewhere between trigger warning (sorry, not sorry), and submit to tips.fbi.gov
The entirety of American culture revolves around heroic stupid last stands. It's programmed right to the bone.
Just as the entirely of Canadian culture is about dying of exposure in the or drowning in the great lakes.
It's true. Look.
It occurs to me that most serious gun collectors I know want a civil breakdown. Probably to "simplify" things. Which is in fact what would happen.
For example, if the logistics streams (food and gasoline) are interrupted by just 18 hours, things get REALLY simple. By which I mean, "civilization is gone, there is no getting it going again, 295,000,000 people die within 3 years, and the remaining 30,000,000 live like rats. And that's the last hot shower anyone gets for a thousand years. We will of course drag Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean Islands, and Guatemala down with us, because 295 million people aren't going to sit still and starve.
Some people think that would be an improvement - or even a world worth surviving in - because our culture is just that sick. They are wrong, of course. Things can get worse than this. Things can ALWAYS get worse than this. Sweating the electric bill is one thing, death from starvation is another thing entirely.
Quote from: Bruno on November 08, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 07:33:22 AM
9mm is usually what I reccomend to people who've not shot a gun before. Seriously you can blaze off some near rapid fire 9mm.
It doesn't pierce body armor but like it will stop a person dead in their tracks. If someone is wearing body armor then you're in a whole other world of trouble.
I got a 9mm based on some chart I saw that gave percentages of attacks stopped by the first shot of different calibers. 9mm was 80% as good as the best one on the chart, and it's about the second cheapest round after 22lr, which is good for, you know, stack'n 'm deap. I have probably 1400 rounds or so, not proper defense rounds, tho. Round nose practice rounds mostly. I think I do have like one box of defense rounds.
It's a pretty small gun, though. For someone like me who just got into shooting in the last couple of years, it's still a little unnerving having explosions going off in my hands with relatively little between me and it.
I bought my first gun about a year and a half ago. It was a Ruger 10/22, and I bought it at a gun store here in town. Shortly after, I got an M&P Shield 9mm and an M&P ar-15 which I bought online and picked up at a pawn shop in town. I think I got all three in 2018.
i liked shooting my m&p 15 so much i bought a conversion kit so i could shoot 22lr out of it (223 ammo is expensive). i enjoyed that so much that i bought an m&p 15-22 so i can keep my regular m&p15 set up for .223 and it stays clean. 22lr ammo is kinda dirty.
I want to reiterate that I'm the kind of firearms geek who played milsim airsoft and has designed my own firearms, including all-new round profiles and calibers.
I want to reiterate that THE FAPPING IS PALPABLE.
In fact, it's not even really fapping at this point. There is a difference between "I am on the autism spectrum and this is my special interest" and "prepper fuckwit".
The line has been crossed.
Quote from: nullified on November 08, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
I want to reiterate that I'm the kind of firearms geek who played milsim airsoft and has designed my own firearms, including all-new round profiles and calibers.
I want to reiterate that THE FAPPING IS PALPABLE.
In fact, it's not even really fapping at this point. There is a difference between "I am on the autism spectrum and this is my special interest" and "prepper fuckwit".
The line has been crossed.
Gun people are as bad as gym people, really.
People call guns "penis substitutes," but they're really not. They are a fetish for people who lack power in their daily lives, and make up for it with projectile weapons and fantasies of how that will eventually make them powerful (while the rest of the population got drunk & laid, they studied the blade gun.)
In the meantime, what's actually happening is that they are spending their stored labor buying more munitions than one person could ever hope to use, guaranteeing that they will never have any power in the real world in which they inhabit, because their stored wealth is a pile of rifles and pistols that do precisely nothing to further their situation. This makes them feel even more powerless, so it's off to the gun store again.
Rinse, repeat.
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there. I bought an m&p 15 because when I caught the porcupine that was eating my porch, I killed him with my pellet gun. it took 12 shots and i felt really sorry for him. then i caught the coyote that's been eating my chickens - 7 rounds and every one missed, so i do a lot of practicing with 22lr so next time i'll get him
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there. I bought an m&p 15 because when I caught the porcupine that was eating my porch, I killed him with my pellet gun. it took 12 shots and i felt really sorry for him. then i caught the coyote that's been eating my chickens - 7 rounds and every one missed, so i do a lot of practicing with 22lr so next time i'll get him
Rong, I hadn't even considered you. I haven't for 4 years. Relax.
I don't have a gun. There's a very simple reason for that, owning a firearm would be much more hazardous MY health than anyone or anything else's. I just don't have it in me anymore to even kill someone who deserves it. If I was in a situation where I NEEDED to use a firearm to stop someone, and I had one, I'd probably hesitate way too long and just get killed... so I can't really depend on one for self defense.
It would be more dangerous to me than anyone else because the symptoms of my mental illness would start dicking with me late one night and knowing there's a really quick fix in the pistol I keep by my bed is a recipe for disaster. So I don't own one, if society really DOES collapse and I want to survive THAT badly, I can just listen for some dope squeezing rounds off and hit them over the head with a rock and take their weapon. I prefer to deal with shitty situations without even considering firearms, or possibly killing someone. I have enough bad karma floating over me without adding more.
That said, I can understand why others might wish to own a gun, whether for doomsday prep, self defence, or dealing with troublesome wildlife. I don't judge someone for simply owning a firearm. I judge them when they walk into a wal-mart firing indiscriminately because their micropenis makes them so insecure that someone else has to die for it.
EDIT: Yes, I've fired guns and I'm a decent shot, I'm ex-infantry so at one point dumping an assload of fuck inside someone else's skull was my job. I enjoy target shooting because it's a test of skill, and something I'm not bad at.
My interest in firearms is in three parts:
Primal. Stupid bald monkey like big boom.
Engineering. Some of them are so goddamned intricate and the piecing together of a functional firearm from first principles is like solving a puzzle box where you need to carefully mill pieces to put INTO it.
Sports. Not hunting or such, but 3 gun competition is a legitimate test of skill, and fun as hell besides.
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 05:57:46 PM
I don't have a gun. There's a very simple reason for that, owning a firearm would be much more hazardous MY health than anyone or anything else's. I just don't have it in me anymore to even kill someone who deserves it. If I was in a situation where I NEEDED to use a firearm to stop someone, and I had one, I'd probably hesitate way too long and just get killed... so I can't really depend on one for self defense.
It would be more dangerous to me than anyone else because the symptoms of my mental illness would start dicking with me late one night and knowing there's a really quick fix in the pistol I keep by my bed is a recipe for disaster. So I don't own one, if society really DOES collapse and I want to survive THAT badly, I can just listen for some dope squeezing rounds off and hit them over the head with a rock and take their weapon. I prefer to deal with shitty situations without even considering firearms, or possibly killing someone. I have enough bad karma floating over me without adding more.
That said, I can understand why others might wish to own a gun, whether for doomsday prep, self defence, or dealing with troublesome wildlife. I don't judge someone for simply owning a firearm. I judge them when they walk into a wal-mart firing indiscriminately because their micropenis makes them so insecure that someone else has to die for it.
EDIT: Yes, I've fired guns and I'm a decent shot, I'm ex-infantry so at one point dumping an assload of fuck inside someone else's skull was my job. I enjoy target shooting because it's a test of skill, and something I'm not bad at.
Nothing wrong with that. I was also infantry and I still occasionally go plinking. Also, the shadier parts of my past.
I don't think of them as being more than, say, a hammer. An expensive hammer.
Quote from: Faust on November 08, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
Yeah, it's making me really uncomfortable
"Every so often I think to myself "Hey man, wtf are you doing, anyway? What are you ever even going to do with all this shit? How many rounds do you really think you're going to get off before you take one to the dome? What's the plan? Do you even have a plan? Prolly nothing's gonna happen anyway." and right about then the great pumpkin comes out with some tweet dogwhistling about CIVIL WAR and shit, and I'm all like "maybe a dozen or so of those SCCY 9mms to pass out to muh friends and another couple hundred lbs of Pintos sounds like a good idea right about now."
Is a big red flag for me, Jerry, what scenario are you describing here exactly?
Because that reads like you are envisioning some last stand scenario which depending on the interpretation would place this gun thread somewhere between trigger warning (sorry, not sorry), and submit to tips.fbi.gov
The scenario I'm describing is one where people like the people who support Trump own over 80% of the guns and decide it's time to water the freedom bush, and my blood's
Got What Plants Crave.
No, only Brawndo's got what plants crave. Those people are idiots.
We're not allowed guns over here. However, between some Army training (though the Engineers corps prefer plastique as their primary weapon), the Scouts and growing up in the countryside, where shotguns and low calibre hunting rifles are legal (and many older guns still exist besides), I have more experience than the average British person who hasn't been in the Army.
If they were legal, I might want a handgun, for home protection. But that's about all, and not so much because I really want one, but because as recent events conspire to show, most of this country is too stupid to be trusted with any kind of dangerous implement and so if the morons are going to have them, I would need them to.
Always preferred knives anyway. Knife training was fun.
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
We're not allowed guns over here. However, between some Army training (though the Engineers corps prefer plastique as their primary weapon), the Scouts and growing up in the countryside, where shotguns and low calibre hunting rifles are legal (and many older guns still exist besides), I have more experience than the average British person who hasn't been in the Army.
If they were legal, I might want a handgun, for home protection. But that's about all, and not so much because I really want one, but because as recent events conspire to show, most of this country is too stupid to be trusted with any kind of dangerous implement and so if the morons are going to have them, I would need them to.
Always preferred knives anyway. Knife training was fun.
The best home protection is a crowbar, really.
Quote from: rong on November 08, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Bruno on November 08, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 08, 2019, 07:33:22 AM
9mm is usually what I reccomend to people who've not shot a gun before. Seriously you can blaze off some near rapid fire 9mm.
It doesn't pierce body armor but like it will stop a person dead in their tracks. If someone is wearing body armor then you're in a whole other world of trouble.
I got a 9mm based on some chart I saw that gave percentages of attacks stopped by the first shot of different calibers. 9mm was 80% as good as the best one on the chart, and it's about the second cheapest round after 22lr, which is good for, you know, stack'n 'm deap. I have probably 1400 rounds or so, not proper defense rounds, tho. Round nose practice rounds mostly. I think I do have like one box of defense rounds.
It's a pretty small gun, though. For someone like me who just got into shooting in the last couple of years, it's still a little unnerving having explosions going off in my hands with relatively little between me and it.
I bought my first gun about a year and a half ago. It was a Ruger 10/22, and I bought it at a gun store here in town. Shortly after, I got an M&P Shield 9mm and an M&P ar-15 which I bought online and picked up at a pawn shop in town. I think I got all three in 2018.
i liked shooting my m&p 15 so much i bought a conversion kit so i could shoot 22lr out of it (223 ammo is expensive). i enjoyed that so much that i bought an m&p 15-22 so i can keep my regular m&p15 set up for .223 and it stays clean. 22lr ammo is kinda dirty.
Isn't the twist rate all wrong for shooting 22lr in a 223/556 barrel anyway? Ruger 10/22s have a 1:16 twist, my ARs have 1:9 (S&W) and 1:7(PSA). I'm not sure what the consequences are for putting too much spin on a bullet is, But I've heard conversion kits for AR-15s to 22lr produce a less accurate rifle than rifles made for 22lr, or dedicated uppers with a proper barrel for 22lr.
Quote from: nullified on November 08, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
I want to reiterate that I'm the kind of firearms geek who played milsim airsoft and has designed my own firearms, including all-new round profiles and calibers.
I want to reiterate that THE FAPPING IS PALPABLE.
In fact, it's not even really fapping at this point. There is a difference between "I am on the autism spectrum and this is my special interest" and "prepper fuckwit".
The line has been crossed.
Are you referring to me, specifically, or the thread in general?
Because, in the interest of full disclosure, there is some self-satirization involved in the production of this thread, which I feel I have represented accurately in various " WTF, wat am I even doing, I don't even..." related themes presented.
This is presented as an affirmation of your emotion rather than a contradiction.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:33:10 PM
It occurs to me that most serious gun collectors I know want a civil breakdown. Probably to "simplify" things. Which is in fact what would happen.
For example, if the logistics streams (food and gasoline) are interrupted by just 18 hours, things get REALLY simple. By which I mean, "civilization is gone, there is no getting it going again, 295,000,000 people die within 3 years, and the remaining 30,000,000 live like rats. And that's the last hot shower anyone gets for a thousand years. We will of course drag Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean Islands, and Guatemala down with us, because 295 million people aren't going to sit still and starve.
Some people think that would be an improvement - or even a world worth surviving in - because our culture is just that sick. They are wrong, of course. Things can get worse than this. Things can ALWAYS get worse than this. Sweating the electric bill is one thing, death from starvation is another thing entirely.
From what I have seen, they think a societal breakdown will kill the liberals much faster than
conservatives people
like them. They will finally live in a world where they will have
The Advantage, the weak will die, the strong will live, and utopia will follow shortly thereafter.
In my estimation, they are correct in their assumption that urban areas (which tend to be proportionately more liberal) will be hit the hardest/fastest, and the rural areas, which have proportionally greater access to soil and sunlight per capita will be more able to support the indigenous population, assuming they can annihilate the evacuating urban out-flux at a sufficient rate.
The question I keep asking myself, and to which I have not yet found an answer, is "What do I do when the Cletus Brigade starts killing off all the starving city-folk?"
I guess all the zombie and natural disaster media have succeded in their ideological purpose.
Make the population think they're the protagonists that will survive and repopulate the planet. While in reality the vast majority will die off regardless of their "preparation and unbreakable will", and those who actually survive will wish they were dead, and will merely live due to being at the right place at the right time.
Meanwhile:
-Silver and gold peddlers are getting rich
-Gun industry is having a boon
-Canned goods enterprises are laughing
-Big truck companies are chuckling as well
I for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords, the US is so overdue in its status as world power.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 09, 2019, 04:54:12 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
We're not allowed guns over here. However, between some Army training (though the Engineers corps prefer plastique as their primary weapon), the Scouts and growing up in the countryside, where shotguns and low calibre hunting rifles are legal (and many older guns still exist besides), I have more experience than the average British person who hasn't been in the Army.
If they were legal, I might want a handgun, for home protection. But that's about all, and not so much because I really want one, but because as recent events conspire to show, most of this country is too stupid to be trusted with any kind of dangerous implement and so if the morons are going to have them, I would need them to.
Always preferred knives anyway. Knife training was fun.
The best home protection is a crowbar, really.
Yeah, one day I'll give in and get one. Or an alumnimium baseball bat.
Quote from: Cain on November 09, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
... I might want a handgun, for home protection....
that's why i shared the Taurus Judge - in my opinion, it is by far, the best handgun available for personal protection. aiming a handgun is difficult and takes time. if you are defending yourself, you won't have time to carefully take aim. Birdshot will buy you some time. Buckshot might finish the job, if it doesn't - you've bought some more time. then you have 3 more slugs and/or 45 long colts or whatever combination you like. Smith and Wesson makes a similar gun - the governor - I can't say for sure which is the better firearm.
the are not legal in california however, as they are classified there as a short barrel shotgun.
Quote from: Bruno on November 09, 2019, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: nullified on November 08, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
I want to reiterate that I'm the kind of firearms geek who played milsim airsoft and has designed my own firearms, including all-new round profiles and calibers.
I want to reiterate that THE FAPPING IS PALPABLE.
In fact, it's not even really fapping at this point. There is a difference between "I am on the autism spectrum and this is my special interest" and "prepper fuckwit".
The line has been crossed.
Are you referring to me, specifically, or the thread in general?
Because, in the interest of full disclosure, there is some self-satirization involved in the production of this thread, which I feel I have represented accurately in various " WTF, wat am I even doing, I don't even..." related themes presented.
This is presented as an affirmation of your emotion rather than a contradiction.
Dude, check yourself against literally all the shit this forum makes fun of. You're approaching "Honda full of silver" territory by way of "if it quacks like a sociopath" and "act now or be priced out forever".
Instead of navel gazing about being a dipshit who got conned into the prepper mindset, you can just stop. You don't even have to ditch your toys! You can just keep them! It's amazing what you can do when paranoia isn't breathing down your neck!
Or you can go full bore batshit insanity, which, I must remind you, gun-collecting is not. (It is insane, but only mildly.) You haven't yet bought a farm, started a commune, become paralyzed by the sheer VARIETY of ways the end of civilization can kill you and tried to weld ALL of them shut.
You're ... just worried about roving bandits. That's it. Meanwhile, you're going to fucking die of sepsis after you get a splinter and fail to get it out in a clean and healthy manner. That's if you don't die of dehydration after you catch cholera from untreated drinking water, of course. Or just fall into a sinkhole hidden by brush and end up slowly nibbled away by rats and bugs. Because you forgot to bring something to tie to your stupidly long rope so you could actually get out of the hole with it, and now it's just so much dead weight, you fucking moron.
Oh, or you improperly cure meat and it goes bad. You did at least try to cure the fucking meat, right? Or you eat poisonous plant material, which is most wild plant material. Or you make a delicious stew and get mobbed by bears. Or boars. Or both. Or you improperly balance your diet and starve to death while eating plenty of food all the time, which is an actual thing. Did I mention all the leftovers of civilization? What happens if you come across a barrel of RFNA? Do you even know what that is? How to use it? Or do you open it up because you don't actually know these things and you're hoping for oil because maybe you can set it on fire because goddamn it's cold and instead you catch a face full of red fumes and go blind, become delirious, wander to your unmarked grave?
Do you sleep on the ground and become food or sleep in a tree and fall to your doom? If you make a shelter you need to maintain it, and the weather can kill you just fine anyway if you make bad decisions. Were you taught, did you research, have you TRIED making your own clothing? It's fucking cold. And you don't have a sewing machine. Prick yourself with that needle, pal! Back to sepsis we go.
No, you do not have the right mindset for TO THE WALL prepper at all. And you're aware to some extent that you got suckered into this paranoid mindset you now have.
Why not just ... move on?
Quote from: nullified on November 10, 2019, 02:25:08 AM
What happens if you come across a barrel of RFNA? Do you even know what that is? How to use it?
You combine it with UDMH! ...but...very carefully...
Quote from: Bruno on November 09, 2019, 10:59:29 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:33:10 PM
It occurs to me that most serious gun collectors I know want a civil breakdown. Probably to "simplify" things. Which is in fact what would happen.
For example, if the logistics streams (food and gasoline) are interrupted by just 18 hours, things get REALLY simple. By which I mean, "civilization is gone, there is no getting it going again, 295,000,000 people die within 3 years, and the remaining 30,000,000 live like rats. And that's the last hot shower anyone gets for a thousand years. We will of course drag Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean Islands, and Guatemala down with us, because 295 million people aren't going to sit still and starve.
Some people think that would be an improvement - or even a world worth surviving in - because our culture is just that sick. They are wrong, of course. Things can get worse than this. Things can ALWAYS get worse than this. Sweating the electric bill is one thing, death from starvation is another thing entirely.
From what I have seen, they think a societal breakdown will kill the liberals much faster than conservatives people like them. They will finally live in a world where they will have The Advantage, the weak will die, the strong will live, and utopia will follow shortly thereafter.
In my estimation, they are correct in their assumption that urban areas (which tend to be proportionately more liberal) will be hit the hardest/fastest, and the rural areas, which have proportionally greater access to soil and sunlight per capita will be more able to support the indigenous population, assuming they can annihilate the evacuating urban out-flux at a sufficient rate.
The question I keep asking myself, and to which I have not yet found an answer, is "What do I do when the Cletus Brigade starts killing off all the starving city-folk?"
Jesus. Shut up.
I mean, the only good thing about being banned on FB is that I don't have to hear randos jabber about their fucking guns and all the shit they're gonna do when the crash happens.
Here's what's going to happen if/when the crash happens: You are going to die miserably with your pants full of shit. In less than 10 days. That is all.
Also, if Cletus is stupid enough to go anywhere near starving city folk, he's gonna get eaten.
Hell, he's going to get eaten ANYWAY, because HERE COMES EVERYBODY!
I don't think there's going to be a crash in 2020. I heard there's another asteroid coming in December, or something. I'm about as worried about that space rock as I am about Cletus 'n Pals, which is to say, not very.
I think, most likely scenario, 99% of the people who have been talking shit about "tHe bOogALoo" are full of shit, and probably 70% of them know it. The remaining 1% who thought all those other guys were for reals will be in for a surprise when nobody shows up for the party. With any luck they'll all be wearing fresh gear they just bought on TaktikoolGear.com.
We can all get together on BoogalooserBoots.com and trade all the cool shit we looted off the corpses. I wear 10 Wide. If anybody comes across a pair, hit me up.
:kingmeh:
Pay attention to what you're doing and then look at the words you're using.
This is literally "if it quacks like a sociopath, but ponders it's own sociopathy". Like, to a T. I'd say "kidding on the square" but I'm not sure you're entirely aware that you aren't fully taking the piss, there's an opaqueness to your self-awareness that might be blinding you to it.
You're joking about this stuff but it's really worrying you. You're "all-in" mentally. There's a reason your attempts to make fun of it keep looping back around to it any fucking way.
Past the lolol website names, look at the subtext. "Yeah, they're all gonna die with shit in their pants. Not us though! Not me for sure!" Read what you are typing and try and actually parse it for literally any length of time. The result: self-deprecating frosting on a paranoid prepper cake.
Take what I'm saying at least a little bit seriously. Prepper madness is so 2011 that it would legitimately hurt my feelings if you went that way. Like, at least pick a new and interesting way to be an obsessive paranoid, ffs.
Quote from: nullified on November 10, 2019, 04:56:53 AM
:kingmeh:
Pay attention to what you're doing and then look at the words you're using.
This is literally "if it quacks like a sociopath, but ponders it's own sociopathy". Like, to a T. I'd say "kidding on the square" but I'm not sure you're entirely aware that you aren't fully taking the piss, there's an opaqueness to your self-awareness that might be blinding you to it.
You're joking about this stuff but it's really worrying you. You're "all-in" mentally. There's a reason your attempts to make fun of it keep looping back around to it any fucking way.
Past the lolol website names, look at the subtext. "Yeah, they're all gonna die with shit in their pants. Not us though! Not me for sure!" Read what you are typing and try and actually parse it for literally any length of time. The result: self-deprecating frosting on a paranoid prepper cake.
Take what I'm saying at least a little bit seriously. Prepper madness is so 2011 that it would legitimately hurt my feelings if you went that way. Like, at least pick a new and interesting way to be an obsessive paranoid, ffs.
What exactly do you have against preppers in the sense of people being ready in case something bad happens? And how is that a 2011 thing? Mormons have been doing it for a couple hundred years. It's not a bad idea to have some emergency supplies on hand. What does fashonability have to do with it?
I mean, a lot of them
are fuckheads. I think we can agree on that, but I don't think its a prerequisite. You can get ready for bad things without being an asshole.
As far as me being a sociopath, if wanting to see bad things happen to bad people makes me a sociopath, then shit, I guess I am.
And my odds of not dying if some shit gets weird are not especially great. I just compulsively buy guns sometimes. I hardly ever even take them outside and shoot them, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that I think I'm some kind of ninja warrior.
There. Is that taking you seriously enough?
BTW, hoarding guns isn't my only way of expressing the prepping arts. I also do stuff with sunflowers! They're high in minerals, protein, and essential fatty acids, and grow fairly well in unprepared soil!
I for one need constant reminders that I'm gonna die in a violent way before my natural lifespan concludes.
Imagine if I had a future and could stop binge drinking and actually study.
Quote from: Frontside Back on November 10, 2019, 06:39:32 AM
I for one need constant reminders that I'm gonna die in a violent way before my natural lifespan concludes.
Imagine if I had a future and could stop binge drinking and actually study.
I think I may be more afraid of dying a natural death than in a shootout with hillbillies. I've watched that shit happen. I want out before it happens to me.
Anyway whatever you do, don't try to use dark humor to deal with it. People hate that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQiGMJNje-Q
Well, at least you're engaging it now.
Let's get this out of the way: by the "sociopathy" bit, I was referring to a newsfeed quote that's more or less about how being aware of your faults doesn't make them stop being faults. Paraphrased for the current topic, it could read "if it quacks like a paranoid doomsday prepper but ponders it's own ridiculousness, it's probably just an asshole."
Now let's come to prepper, as a term. Defending "prepper" because it can mean good things is like defending "states' rights" because it can mean good things. Or bringing up that not every man raped a woman, so what's with all this feminist bullshit. Or saying nationalism isn't ALWAYS jackboots. Or... etc. The term has a common connotation, and those people it connotes are ridiculous and usually assholes and almost always bought wholesale into a story that is not and can never be true, built up around the late Cold War era post apocalypse movie (Escape from New York, Mad Max, etc) where our fear of our fucked up potential future and our demand for a Protagonist combined to a mythical idea that if you are simply prepared enough, you can survive the end of the world, and the best way to do this is with guns.
Now, to get to the meat of this: it's not that you necessarily think you're some sort of ninja warrior. It's not even that you're trying to use "dark humor" that is falling flat because it's just low grade zany bullshit layered over top of a strictly by-the-books example of how preppers talk.
It's the way you talk about it. There's a circularity to your posts on the subject. Let's read through that last post to me:
Defending the concept by way of straw man-tying it to a very different kind of preparation that doesn't usually get the "prepper" label applied.
That self-aware self-deprecation I mention, where you acknowledge the majority of them are dumb.
Misinterpretation. Probably my bad, I read the newsfeed a lot more than most people probably do.
More of that self-aware self-deprecation.
A (honestly, fair) bit of snark.
And then!? Back to strutting your prepper stuff. Plenty of sarcasm implied there, sure, but the majority of your "serious" posts are either salivating over your preferred ammunition or a similar pattern to this one, except the end has no trace of sarcasm.
It reminds me of people who shittalk their significant other endlessly but circle back around to "but I love them, so" at the end of every conversation. Or when an evangelist knows they're going to have a tough sell, so they acknowledge all the complaints people have and nod and say "there is a very real problem."
Then the pause.
"BUT"
You're doing something very similar here, and it has only looked sarcastic once — and that in a post with a weak ass strawman defense of the WORD rather than the MINDSET most people (self included) use that word to refer to.
In short, I think I'm justified in telling you to examine yourself for a second.
I'm confused about what it is that you need me to have been sarcastic about.
Is it the part where I talk about my enthusiasm for shooting people who aren't shooting people, or who are shooting at me? Because that wasn't sarcasm, probably an overstatement, but not sarcasm.
I can honestly say that I would be more enthusiastic about shooting at someone who was shooting at me, than I would be shooting at someone who is shooting at someone else I don't know, but not me.
The gun hoarding thing... I think what it is is, like, some kind of ritual. Like scratching protection runes onto a tree or something. It doesn't actually accomplish anything (probably), but it makes me feel better for... other than logical reasons.
"Need" is a word that doesn't in any way fit here. "I" do not "need" anything to "be" any way at all.
No, in general there's a couple posts (mostly in the first page) that smell like satire, and then everything else tastes of deadly seriousness. Then finally, you put in a little sarcasm in your reply to me after I beg you to take me seriously for a second. And that's fair. Deserved, even.
Nothing "needs" to be sarcastic here, as far as I'm concerned. The problem isn't a lack of sarcasm. That would, at best, mask the underlying issue.
The issue is you have let the Prepper Meme hijack you and now it's hard for you to write any negatives without an offsetting positive. There has to be a justification for Why any time you mention a reason Why Not. That's the problem. You have become, in a little way, less biped and more hive drone.
You could say that's just you being honest about your motivations, but justification is a post-facto process. Your motivations are more likely to be something emotional. And indeed, some emotional drives have been touched upon, but then they're buried under "logical" justifications.
The point of me digging into this is so you can recognize where the meme is digging into you and pull it out. Your actual behavior literally doesn't need to change: you can just Buy Guns and have that be A Thing You Do and that's totally fine. You can even Be Prepared and know How To Do Things! It's fine. It's okay. It even makes you more interesting!
But there is currently a paranoid, meme driven impulse to it that is not just irrational, but actually wrong. That's what I'm aiming at here.
Wrong? You bet: a gun will not help you survive either a pobucker uprising or the collapse of civilization.
You do not have enough bullets for a pobucker army, assuming they even got close enough to you to be a threat before the military stepped in.
And as Howl said, your rapid death is assured in a post-civilization America, and the gun will not help increase your lifespan or decrease your difficulties. In fact, there is almost no preparation that can help you there. If civilization goes down, you are going to be some broken, stained bones in a degrading, abandoned Walmart parking lot and nothing you can do or acquire will change that, short of enough money for a private helicopter forever kept in ready condition in a secret location.
Coming back to "need": What I'm trying to do is show you where this parasitic idea that Being Prepared Will Save You is lodged in your brain so you can pull it out. I don't "need" you to remove it though, it would just be sad to see someone who's been around so long go insane from prepper cysticercosis when we have a goddamn treatment for that.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:09:26 PM
Just as the entirely of Canadian culture is about dying of exposure in the or drowning in the great lakes.
Half the year, when you go outside, you can die. You spend the rest of the year celebrating the fact that you can go outside without dying. It sorta puts a tinge on things.
I think it's partly why Canadians pretend to be polite. Stuck indoors, in close quarters, you don't want to piss someone off to the extent that they kick you out.
is this a prepper thread now?
i think "prepping" is a natural mindset for someone that lives a comfortable life, wants to continue living a comfortable life, is a little paranoid and pessimistic about the world around them.
but, a real "doomsday" scenario, i think, is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.
a natural disaster might fuck your shit up for a couple weeks or, at absolute most, say 3 months - so keep some extra food on hand.
there will never be a land war of any kind on american soil. maybe some riots in the cities some day, but those won't last long and are easy to avoid.
a more realistic concern would be hyperinflation so food and supplies become unaffordable. then you'll have rampant crime and stuff. but that will take a long time, like several months to several years - if you pay attention, you'll see it coming and have time to prepare accordingly.
i do think guns and ammo are a better investment than gold if you are looking to build wealth. guns certainly seem to keep increasing in value. and in the "total societal crash" scenario that they always try to use to sell you gold - well, me, i'd rather have guns and ammo in that scenario. i'm sure you could trade some bullets for some rice. . . what good is gold when the chips are that far down??
it doesn't hurt to have extra supplies on hand. it doesn't hurt to have some chickens and grow some of your own food. it's fun and healthier (i think). if it takes paranoia to make you learn about aquaponics or something, that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
i think going off the grid is a good goal - whether you do it because you are concerned about the environment, or maybe you don't like paying an electric bill, or maybe you wanna be able to watch porn when it all goes to hell. if it takes schizoid paranoia to get you to go off grid, then, at least you're helping the environment, right??
Here's the thing. Unless infrastructure is completely destroyed, there is a baseline to quality of life and ability to govern that these things will not fall below.
So long as there are roads, power and communications, things will not reach a point of complete societal breakdown. There may be problems with continuous service, but the fundamentals remain for someone to restore order. And even if there is a temporary power vacuum, people have a tendency to move into them and implement their own solutions.
If you really want to prep, take time to build links with your local community. Because there will still be communities, even in the worst kind of scenario, and you won't last long without one. If there is a power vacuum, people will stand up and restore order. And no amount of guns or stockpiled cans of baked beans are going to be as effective as 50 people all working together and looking out for each other.
Quote from: Cain on November 10, 2019, 03:57:27 PM
... And no amount of guns or stockpiled cans of baked beans are going to be as effective as 50 people all working together and looking out for each other.
BUT WHAT IF THOSE 50 PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY BEANS???
OR WHAT IF THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY GUNS TO PROTECT THE BEANS THAT THEY HAVE FROM THE PEOPLE WITH GUNSSSSS?????
Quote from: rong on November 10, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
but, a real "doomsday" scenario, i think, is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.
The probability of a doomsday scenario occurring is 100%. Maybe you should tack a time limit on that claim.
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there will never be a land war of any kind on american soil.
You already had a pretty respectable "land war", in the 1860s. Nothing precludes the states from breaking apart and fighting each other again.
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maybe some riots in the cities some day, but those won't last long and are easy to avoid.
uh
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i think going off the grid is a good goal - whether you do it because you are concerned about the environment, or maybe you don't like paying an electric bill, or maybe you wanna be able to watch porn when it all goes to hell. if it takes schizoid paranoia to get you to go off grid, then, at least you're helping the environment, right??
This planet does not have anywhere near the carrying capacity for everyone to go off the grid. There isn't enough usable land area. Industrialized agriculture, regulated sufficiently, and done sustainably, wouldn't cause near the damage of a significant fraction of the population trying to make it on their own. Unless you've got one of John Galt's free energy machines, you're going to be cutting down forests for firewood.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on November 10, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: rong on November 10, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
but, a real "doomsday" scenario, i think, is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.
The probability of a doomsday scenario occurring is 100%. Maybe you should tack a time limit on that claim.
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there will never be a land war of any kind on american soil.
You already had a pretty respectable "land war", in the 1860s. Nothing precludes the states from breaking apart and fighting each other again.
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maybe some riots in the cities some day, but those won't last long and are easy to avoid.
uh
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i think going off the grid is a good goal - whether you do it because you are concerned about the environment, or maybe you don't like paying an electric bill, or maybe you wanna be able to watch porn when it all goes to hell. if it takes schizoid paranoia to get you to go off grid, then, at least you're helping the environment, right??
This planet does not have anywhere near the carrying capacity for everyone to go off the grid. There isn't enough usable land area. Industrialized agriculture, regulated sufficiently, and done sustainably, wouldn't cause near the damage of a significant fraction of the population trying to make it on their own. Unless you've got one of John Galt's free energy machines, you're going to be cutting down forests for firewood.
mostly good points. i disagree on your probability of doomsday being 100% but any argument about that would just devolve into "what do you mean by "doomsday," anyways?"
true we had a land war - but that was before snapchat and high fructose corn syrup was invented.
cities are pretty easy to avoid. i don't think this is disputable
i think i agree with you that most people won't be able to farm, but i'm not sure about the "not enough usable land area" if you know what you're doing, you can grow a shit load of food on a not that big parcel of land. and chickens literally just wander around all day eating bugs and and shitting out eggs. you can feed them table scraps - even dead chickens - they don't give a fuck. tougher in the winter time - so you pickle some eggs.
potatoes are easy as hell to grow - and you need like no space at all to do it.
maybe i've been living deep enough in the woods for so long that what other people think of as prepping - i think of as my fun little farm hobby . . .
Quote from: rong on November 10, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
mostly good points. i disagree on your probability of doomsday being 100% but any argument about that would just devolve into "what do you mean by "doomsday," anyways?"
Humanity will be faced with a major extinction event at some point; it's a matter of time.
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true we had a land war - but that was before snapchat and high fructose corn syrup was invented.
That doesn't merit a response.
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cities are pretty easy to avoid. i don't think this is disputable
uh
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i think i agree with you that most people won't be able to farm, but i'm not sure about the "not enough usable land area" if you know what you're doing, you can grow a shit load of food on a not that big parcel of land. and chickens literally just wander around all day eating bugs and and shitting out eggs. you can feed them table scraps - even dead chickens - they don't give a fuck. tougher in the winter time - so you pickle some eggs.
potatoes are easy as hell to grow - and you need like no space at all to do it.
maybe i've been living deep enough in the woods for so long that what other people think of as prepping - i think of as my fun little farm hobby . . .
The United States has about 1.25 acres of arable land per person. You think that's enough?
I run a decently-sized vegetable garden. Scaling it up to the point where I would be food self-sufficient would require a
lot more space, and it would become a full-time job.
This far north, I'm not even sure if I could do it (post-apocalypse), if I was stuck with hand-irrigation, no gasoline-powered implements, no artificial fertilizer, and having to manage my own seed stock.
So, no, I don't think a lot of people going off the grid would be workable.
Quote from: rong on November 10, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
is this a prepper thread now?
i think "prepping" is a natural mindset for someone that lives a comfortable life, wants to continue living a comfortable life, is a little paranoid and pessimistic about the world around them.
but, a real "doomsday" scenario, i think, is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.
a natural disaster might fuck your shit up for a couple weeks or, at absolute most, say 3 months - so keep some extra food on hand.
there will never be a land war of any kind on american soil. maybe some riots in the cities some day, but those won't last long and are easy to avoid.
a more realistic concern would be hyperinflation so food and supplies become unaffordable. then you'll have rampant crime and stuff. but that will take a long time, like several months to several years - if you pay attention, you'll see it coming and have time to prepare accordingly.
i do think guns and ammo are a better investment than gold if you are looking to build wealth. guns certainly seem to keep increasing in value. and in the "total societal crash" scenario that they always try to use to sell you gold - well, me, i'd rather have guns and ammo in that scenario. i'm sure you could trade some bullets for some rice. . . what good is gold when the chips are that far down??
it doesn't hurt to have extra supplies on hand. it doesn't hurt to have some chickens and grow some of your own food. it's fun and healthier (i think). if it takes paranoia to make you learn about aquaponics or something, that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
i think going off the grid is a good goal - whether you do it because you are concerned about the environment, or maybe you don't like paying an electric bill, or maybe you wanna be able to watch porn when it all goes to hell. if it takes schizoid paranoia to get you to go off grid, then, at least you're helping the environment, right??
It was supposed to be about how Jesus died so that a lot of money could be saved on shiny new murdersticks, but if people want to share their braided earthworm jerky recipes, that's fine.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on November 10, 2019, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:09:26 PM
Just as the entirely of Canadian culture is about dying of exposure in the or drowning in the great lakes.
Half the year, when you go outside, you can die. You spend the rest of the year celebrating the fact that you can go outside without dying. It sorta puts a tinge on things.
I think it's partly why Canadians pretend to be polite. Stuck indoors, in close quarters, you don't want to piss someone off to the extent that they kick you out.
Here, if you go outside 9 months out of the year, you cook to death. The other 3 months you drown.
It works for us.
All going off the grid accomplishes is the people that can afford it DO, and the people that can't afford it - most of them - are left with a decaying, unmaintained grid.
This is actually worse for the environment. Not to mention all the hilarity that goes along with farming wherever. Like the residue of 75 years of leaded gasoline.
Hitting a reset button won't save us. As Cain implied, the only thing that can save us is what we're best at: Cooperation.
"Rugged individualism" is a fatal mutation.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 11, 2019, 01:59:48 AM
All going off the grid accomplishes is the people that can afford it DO, and the people that can't afford it - most of them - are left with a decaying, unmaintained grid.
This is actually worse for the environment. Not to mention all the hilarity that goes along with farming wherever. Like the residue of 75 years of leaded gasoline.
Hitting a reset button won't save us. As Cain implied, the only thing that can save us is what we're best at: Cooperation.
"Rugged individualism" is a fatal mutation.
Which I've been able to see for myself.
Outside of the Arctic and Antarctic, twelve people are better than two, even if there's only food for two. The homeless have realized this, which is why most of them look out for each other and the rest end up living entirely alone in drainpipes and maintenance tunnels, losing their sanity and humanity.
Quote from: Cain on November 10, 2019, 03:57:27 PM
Here's the thing. Unless infrastructure is completely destroyed, there is a baseline to quality of life and ability to govern that these things will not fall below.
So long as there are roads, power and communications, things will not reach a point of complete societal breakdown. There may be problems with continuous service, but the fundamentals remain for someone to restore order. And even if there is a temporary power vacuum, people have a tendency to move into them and implement their own solutions.
If you really want to prep, take time to build links with your local community. Because there will still be communities, even in the worst kind of scenario, and you won't last long without one. If there is a power vacuum, people will stand up and restore order. And no amount of guns or stockpiled cans of baked beans are going to be as effective as 50 people all working together and looking out for each other.
True, very true. Some of the smarter prep related channels on youtube push the same message. I would put nutnfancy on the high end of that scale. On the lower end I'd put Reid Heinrichs and ThePatriotNurse.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 10, 2019, 04:03:47 AM
Also, if Cletus is stupid enough to go anywhere near starving city folk, he's gonna get eaten.
Hell, he's going to get eaten ANYWAY, because HERE COMES EVERYBODY!
While I am filled with a potpourri of stark terror, existential dread, and helpless anxiety at this thought, I am also simultaneously filled with the supreme awe, and endless wonder of living in a world dominated by weaponized pedal taverns.
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So far, I'm seeing an unusually high number of deals on scopes, which could only mean they plan on going heavy with the snipers. I've been practicing my serpentine running technique, but holy shit is that rough on the knees! Not a friend to the ankles, either! SHEESH!
Instructional video enclosed to assist with training:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_w-QCWpS0
Hope this helps, and good luck out there!
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:33:10 PM
It occurs to me that most serious gun collectors I know want a civil breakdown. Probably to "simplify" things. Which is in fact what would happen.
For example, if the logistics streams (food and gasoline) are interrupted by just 18 hours, things get REALLY simple. By which I mean, "civilization is gone, there is no getting it going again, 295,000,000 people die within 3 years, and the remaining 30,000,000 live like rats. And that's the last hot shower anyone gets for a thousand years. We will of course drag Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean Islands, and Guatemala down with us, because 295 million people aren't going to sit still and starve.
Some people think that would be an improvement - or even a world worth surviving in - because our culture is just that sick. They are wrong, of course. Things can get worse than this. Things can ALWAYS get worse than this. Sweating the electric bill is one thing, death from starvation is another thing entirely.
I was just reflecting on how a lot of gun fetishists I know have this kink where they verbally fantasize about what would happen if somebody broke into their house.
They all tell the same little narrative about how they don't LIKE violence, but if somebody came in to steal stuff or hurt people, that person would be getting a hot lead bukkake, followed by a hot lead enema, followed by a hot lead golden shower. And I can't help but notice that as they described this, their breath got quicker, their eyes dialated, their voice went up an octave... it's the exact cadence of someone having phone sex.
And I think it's a similar thing to what you're describing--that the 2A crowd can't wait for the moment when the fetish is finally
justified.
Quote from: Cramulus on November 19, 2019, 12:42:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on November 08, 2019, 02:33:10 PM
It occurs to me that most serious gun collectors I know want a civil breakdown. Probably to "simplify" things. Which is in fact what would happen.
For example, if the logistics streams (food and gasoline) are interrupted by just 18 hours, things get REALLY simple. By which I mean, "civilization is gone, there is no getting it going again, 295,000,000 people die within 3 years, and the remaining 30,000,000 live like rats. And that's the last hot shower anyone gets for a thousand years. We will of course drag Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean Islands, and Guatemala down with us, because 295 million people aren't going to sit still and starve.
Some people think that would be an improvement - or even a world worth surviving in - because our culture is just that sick. They are wrong, of course. Things can get worse than this. Things can ALWAYS get worse than this. Sweating the electric bill is one thing, death from starvation is another thing entirely.
I was just reflecting on how a lot of gun fetishists I know have this kink where they verbally fantasize about what would happen if somebody broke into their house.
They all tell the same little narrative about how they don't LIKE violence, but if somebody came in to steal stuff or hurt people, that person would be getting a hot lead bukkake, followed by a hot lead enema, followed by a hot lead golden shower. And I can't help but notice that as they described this, their breath got quicker, their eyes dialated, their voice went up an octave... it's the exact cadence of someone having phone sex.
And I think it's a similar thing to what you're describing--that the 2A crowd can't wait for the moment when the fetish is finally justified.
And just like all kinks, it is boring as hell to people who don't share that kink.
Having spent many years in the infantry, back when you guys were just naughty thoughts in your parents' minds, that type of person automatically assumes that I am one of them, and starts jabbering. You have to be firm. You have to say "NO" and maybe smack them with a rolled-up towel, or they will literally talk you into a coma about it.
Ever see the cringe-fest that is Facebook when someone brings up how into BDSM they are? You try to turn away from your screen, but it is too late. 20 other soccer moms show up and then they all try to out kink each other, and you cringe until you prolapse.
There is literally no functional difference between
50 Shades of Grey and
Guns & Ammo magazine.
If someone broke into my house I'd probably offer them a cup of hot cocoa and scrambled eggs, lecture them on the importance of property rights, ask them what they need the money for anyway, and offer them some cash to just clean shit up. "It's a lot easier than owing me for a broken window, which, by the way, you're not getting paid until you work that off." Oh, baby, yeah. Getting all hot and sweaty just thinking about it. "So, what degree did you get with those crippling student loans?"
Quote from: Fujikoma on November 19, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
If someone broke into my house I'd probably offer them a cup of hot cocoa and scrambled eggs, lecture them on the importance of property rights, ask them what they need the money for anyway, and offer them some cash to just clean shit up. "It's a lot easier than owing me for a broken window, which, by the way, you're not getting paid until you work that off." Oh, baby, yeah. Getting all hot and sweaty just thinking about it. "So, what degree did you get with those crippling student loans?"
If somebody broke into my house, I'd probably assume they were one of my roommates friends I've never met before, ignore them, and make myself a sandwich or something.
If someone broke into my house while I was there, I'd assume it wasn't to steal stuff because thieves aren't looking for confrontation.