Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Apple Talk => Topic started by: Doktor Howl on November 21, 2019, 07:08:30 PM

Title: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 21, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
"You have the right to undervalue your rights."
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 21, 2019, 08:47:51 PM
If you live long enough, you won't be remembered after you die for the good things you did, because those things won't be good anymore.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 21, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
From 2004:

Quote"I knew as soon as I saw the breast that I had to sell. Sell, at ANY PRICE."

So said a senior executive at Merrill Lynch, which led the DOW Jones Industrial Average to drop over 2700 points today on the heaviest trading day ever recorded, blamed on the exposure of Janet Jackson's
right breast on CBS during the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Cain on November 21, 2019, 09:02:47 PM
The reward for hard work well done is more hard work. Do it in half the time and they'll give you a bigger shovel.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on November 21, 2019, 10:36:25 PM
If you want to preserve your freedom, you'd best surrender it to the government for safe-keeping.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: hooplala on November 21, 2019, 10:44:18 PM
The best you can hope for is indifference
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Cramulus on November 22, 2019, 12:45:03 PM
Nothing is sacred.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 22, 2019, 05:54:12 PM
If you are a one-in-a-million person, that means that there are more than 7,600 people just like you.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 22, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof, but there is also a night shift.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 02, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
You can't spell sympathetic without pathetic.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 20, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Humans are good at being destructive mostly because we're a cooperative species, which to our wiring is "good".

Nobody built the bomb. WE built the bomb.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
If a free market - as described by free market proponents - were possible then by that definition, that's what we would have, because any attempt to prevent it or dislodge it would be derailed by market forces.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
If a free market - as described by free market proponents - were possible then by that definition, that's what we would have, because any attempt to prevent it or dislodge it would be derailed by market forces.

Same thing goes for "true Libertarianism" because there'd be nobody around to stop monopolies and police departments from just forming out of thin air
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
If a free market - as described by free market proponents - were possible then by that definition, that's what we would have, because any attempt to prevent it or dislodge it would be derailed by market forces.

Same thing goes for "true Libertarianism" because there'd be nobody around to stop monopolies and police departments from just forming out of thin air

The two are indistinguishable in any way whatsoever.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Faust on January 21, 2020, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
If a free market - as described by free market proponents - were possible then by that definition, that's what we would have, because any attempt to prevent it or dislodge it would be derailed by market forces.

Same thing goes for "true Libertarianism" because there'd be nobody around to stop monopolies and police departments from just forming out of thin air
Isn't that how the police force literally started, the thief taker became organised
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 11:47:32 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2020, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 06:16:13 PM
If a free market - as described by free market proponents - were possible then by that definition, that's what we would have, because any attempt to prevent it or dislodge it would be derailed by market forces.

Same thing goes for "true Libertarianism" because there'd be nobody around to stop monopolies and police departments from just forming out of thin air
Isn't that how the police force literally started, the thief taker became organised

No, the Met formed separately from the Bow Street crowd.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 11:47:53 PM
Robert Peel organized them specifically as a counter to the thief takers.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Faust on January 21, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Ah ok, and that sounds like two separate groups that sprang up specifically to impose a structure of order. Liberatarianism can never work because self organising systems impose their own emergent government and limitations of untethered civil liberty. If we were to abandon all government today, it would be back in ten years
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 21, 2020, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: Faust on January 21, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Ah ok, and that sounds like two separate groups that sprang up specifically to impose a structure of order. Liberatarianism can never work because self organising systems impose their own emergent government and limitations of untethered civil liberty. If we were to abandon all government today, it would be back in ten years

Well, the Bow Street dudes were basically hired thugs that answered only to the rich dudes that hired them.  They were goons.

The Met started out as an actual attempt to make things better.

And we see how that wound up.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2020, 04:23:31 PM
The universe can be described as the hole in which we and everything we love has been consigned.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 28, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
If nothing is permanent then nothing is the only thing you can have, and you can never lose it. Everyone has nothing, but only a few realize that they have nothing and that nothing is the only thing of value, yet literally priceless.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 28, 2020, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on January 28, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
If nothing is permanent then nothing is the only thing you can have, and you can never lose it. Everyone has nothing, but only a few realize that they have nothing and that nothing is the only thing of value, yet literally priceless of no value.

FTFY.  It's the same thing, really.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 28, 2020, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 28, 2020, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on January 28, 2020, 08:39:27 PM
If nothing is permanent then nothing is the only thing you can have, and you can never lose it. Everyone has nothing, but only a few realize that they have nothing and that nothing is the only thing of value, yet literally priceless of no value.

FTFY.  It's the same thing, really.

Yeah I quibbled with myself a bit over using the word priceless out of a sense of style, but went with it out of a sense of needing to finish before my quibbles ultimately led me to not immediately post until I felt it was clear enough, and probably forget it entirely. There are a lot of things I began writing with intent to post here that have suffered and ultimately stagnated from such quibbles and fretting over the minutae of HOW to say something.

This being an expression of a linguistic paradox that even more paradoxically expresses a great truth by permutation of grammar, I like your fix better than what I wrote.

Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 29, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
Even should one manage a deal to get "something for nothing" you still have nothing. Should you manage to trade nothing for everything you still have nothing. Nothing is a real asset. The pursuit of Slack therefore is to strive in abject silliness for nothing you already have.

The Subgenius strives
in vain
To attain
something
For nothing

I want my money back
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 29, 2020, 02:16:50 PM
So you're saying that life, like Seinfeld, is a show about nothing?
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: minuspace on January 29, 2020, 04:23:08 PM
It. was LMNO that once said something like "expect disappointment." I still think that's very Zen.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 29, 2020, 07:50:25 PM
One can seek and so find nothing, yet find and so seek nothing.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on January 29, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
We must not imagine Sisyphus at all  :fnord:
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: minuspace on January 29, 2020, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on January 29, 2020, 07:50:25 PM
One can seek and so find nothing, yet find and so seek nothing.


As such, nothing is distinguishable.


Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on January 29, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
We must not imagine Sisyphus at all  :fnord:
He has always been already real
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: altered on February 03, 2020, 11:23:03 PM
Applying a simple fix to a complex problem is acceptable if the result becomes someone else's problem.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Bruno on February 04, 2020, 07:37:09 AM
Quote from: altered on February 03, 2020, 11:23:03 PM
Applying a simple fix to a complex problem is acceptable if the result becomes someone else's problem.

This is the number one rule in any job that applies any kind of performance metrics.

You look better, they look worse, thereby also making you look better by comparison. If it saves you 5 minutes, and costs them 30, DO IT!
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Johnny on February 04, 2020, 08:22:53 AM
Quote from: altered on February 03, 2020, 11:23:03 PM
Applying a simple fix to a complex problem is acceptable if the result becomes someone else's problem.

That's like, literally life bro.
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2020, 10:33:42 PM
QuotePerhaps it is because I was only a child that I did not notice the storm clouds that were gathering, but I believe that many who were older and wiser than me at that time also shared my childlike state.

If disaster comes, you will find that all the myths you once cherished are of no use to you. You will see what it is like to live in a society where morality has collapsed, causing all your assumptions and prejudices to crumble before your eyes. And after it's all over, you will watch as, slowly but surely, these harshest of lessons are forgotten as the witnesses pass on and new myths take their place.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/i-survived-the-warsaw-ghetto-here-are-the-lessons-i-d-like-to-pass-on?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Dismal Moments of Zen Thread
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 15, 2020, 12:55:58 AM
Tis a pity
The Buddha
Did not live
In our time

He would have Thought
The food Divine