So, what happens next?
I really don't know. I hope the Democratic Party rallies around VPOTUS Kamala Harris. But, I have no insights into the party's recent palace intrigues.
Well, so far, so good! A substantial portion of the Democratic Party has already coalesced around VPOTUS Kamala Harris, TSF's campaign has been caught flat footed, the mainstream media's coverage of TSF's campaign is mostly negative, and Harris has quickly overtaken her much older opponent's recent momentum. But, I suspect the Democratic Party's palace intrigues are not completely over just yet.
Next, Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris needs to carefully choose her running mate. Still, on the plus side, anyone she chooses will be a far, far better candidate than the Republicult's™ train wreck of a VP pick.
I was, and am, happy about this development. She's younger and more charismatic than Biden and has been inspiring a lot of donations and volunteers. Unfortunately she's already made a statement in support of Israel, which will lose her a lot of that support.
Have any sitting US politicians spoken out about Israels systematic murder of innocents in the west bank? I haven't seem any.
Quote from: Faust on July 26, 2024, 06:50:34 PMHave any sitting US politicians spoken out about Israels systematic murder of innocents in the west bank? I haven't seem any.
Yes, several have done so. The most notable is Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont.
Here's an article from your own
The Guardian describing his position:
"
Bernie Sanders condemns speech to Congress by 'war criminal' Netanyahu"
As per this article:
"The Vermont senator Bernie Sanders has condemned Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's upcoming address to the US Congress, calling him a "war criminal" presiding over a "rightwing extremist government".
Sanders delivered his remarks on the Senate floor on Tuesday as Congress expects Netanyahu to give a speech to Congress on Wednesday afternoon. The speech comes after an underwhelming arrival to the US, just after President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from November's elections.
"Tomorrow will be unique in bringing Prime Minister Netanyahu to address a joint meeting of Congress," said Sanders on Tuesday. "It will be the first time in American history that a war criminal has been given that honor."
Sanders said of Netanyahu: "He should not be welcome in the United States Congress."
Several Democratic lawmakers were planning to boycott the speech on Wednesday."
And, further along in this article:
"Representative Jerry Nadler of New York said he would attend Wednesday's speech, but still lashed out against the Israeli prime minister, calling him the "worst leader in Jewish history".
"Tomorrow's address is the next step in a long line of manipulative bad-faith efforts by Republicans to further politicize the US-Israel relationship for partisan gain and is a cynical stunt by Netanyahu aimed at aiding his own desperate political standing at home," said Nadler."
Here's the link to this article:
Bernie Sanders Calls Netanyahu a War Criminal (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/23/bernie-sanders-netanyahu-speech)
And, for what it's worth, Bernie Sanders and Jerry Nadler both happen to be Jewish.
I mean who aren't independents, the Democrats for instance, as they are in power.
Quote from: Faust on July 26, 2024, 08:00:40 PMI mean who aren't independents, the Democrats for instance, as they are in power.
Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat from Michigan, held up a 'war criminal' sign during Netanyahu's recent address to the joint session of Congress.
Congressman Jerry Nadler is a Democrat from New York, New York.
Quote from: Faust on July 26, 2024, 08:00:40 PMI mean who aren't independents, the Democrats for instance, as they are in power.
We have 100 senators, and 435 congresspeople in the USA. I forgot there were lists available of the people who boycotted Netanyahu's recent address to Congress. Now, not all of them are known to me. There are, however, quite a few Democrats on these lists who are heavy hitters. Here's what I found:
Group of Democratic lawmakers skip Netanyahu's address in Congress (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/group-of-democratic-lawmakers-skip-netanyahus-address-in-congress/3284901)
List of Democrats Skipping Netanyahu's Speech (https://www.newsweek.com/list-democrats-skipping-netanyahus-speech-1929619)
Ok that's interesting, outside of the US its portrayed as a very united front in support, with people crying out for the US to put pressure on Israel to kerb its homicidal instincts.
That's still pretty true, Faust. Tlaib is one of the most internally hated congresscreatures right now for having the gall to call the shithead out in public. (She's great, one of the few people in federal government that I wouldn't chase with hammers right now.) A REALLY big part of this though is from the top of the Dems, all the Very Old People who have tremendous sway and power. Lots and lots of dissent in the ranks but only a small handful willing to say anything, and they get ostracized in public because that's the word from on high.
You heard a lot about this before Biden dropped out, that his unwavering pro-Israel stance was considered actually really bad for the party behind the scenes by people who would only speak anonymously, but there were a LOT of those stories with a LOT of sources. Things have not changed with him on his way out, Kamala has already promised that the ethnic cleansing will continue. So, yknow.
Quote from: Brother Mythos on July 24, 2024, 04:03:11 AMNext, Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris needs to carefully choose her running mate. Still, on the plus side, anyone she chooses will be a far, far better candidate than the Republicult's™ train wreck of a VP pick.
I suspect she'll pick Josh Shapiro solely for the swing state win in PA, which the dems need to win this November. It kinda sucks since he's a huge vocal supporter of Israel (no surprise there) but I don't think it matters too much since the number of US politicians who
don't deepthroat Israel are in the single digits.
I can't wait until this election is over so I can stop aligning myself with the democrats. As much as I detest the oil zombie coalition, the prospect of Trump 2: Electrical Boogaloo being a possible future stresses me the fuck out. It's been 8 years; I think it's safe to say we're all sick of him at this point.
Quote from: Faust on July 26, 2024, 11:14:55 PMOk that's interesting, outside of the US its portrayed as a very united front in support, with people crying out for the US to put pressure on Israel to kerb its homicidal instincts.
I don't believe US voters are monolithic in their support of Israel. But, I do believe a substantial portion of our support comes from southern, rural, Christian Evangelicals. The majority of them vote Republican, and I also believe it's ironic that a substantial percentage of those southern, rural, Christian Evangelicals are actually antisemitic. Many of them 'support' Israel because they want to hasten the coming of their prophesied Apocalypse, and its accompanying Rapture. But, that's another long, strange story in itself.
A very serious problem for non-Jewish politicians in the US is that there are influential Jewish people here who will not hesitate to brand anyone as 'antisemitic' if they so much as dare to utter even the slightest criticism of the government of Israel. And, that branding is usually a political career killer.
Actually, this recent genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza is the first time I'm seeing any significant, public pushback against the actions of the government of Israel. Now, there are, of course, the predictable attempts at antisemitic branding, but this time Netanyahu and his cohorts went way, way too far. It's simply not possible to justify their intentionally, murderous actions as being in any way a reasonable response to the actions of Hamas.
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on July 27, 2024, 05:30:06 AMQuote from: Brother Mythos on July 24, 2024, 04:03:11 AMNext, Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris needs to carefully choose her running mate. Still, on the plus side, anyone she chooses will be a far, far better candidate than the Republicult's™ train wreck of a VP pick.
I suspect she'll pick Josh Shapiro solely for the swing state win in PA, which the dems need to win this November. It kinda sucks since he's a huge vocal supporter of Israel (no surprise there) but I don't think it matters too much since the number of US politicians who don't deepthroat Israel are in the single digits.
I can't wait until this election is over so I can stop aligning myself with the democrats. As much as I detest the oil zombie coalition, the prospect of Trump 2: Electrical Boogaloo being a possible future stresses me the fuck out. It's been 8 years; I think it's safe to say we're all sick of him at this point.
I'm a resident of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and I'm hoping she doesn't pick Josh Shapiro as her running mate. But, of course, Kamala Harris' VP choice is not up to either one of us.
My reasoning is that I don't believe she actually needs Josh Shapiro to win the state. I'm just not seeing much enthusiasm for TSF from the MAGAts in my area, and I live in a MAGAt rich environment. The TSF yard signs, flags, and bumper stickers are really few and far between this year. And, while my state recently voted in both a Jewish governor, and a Jewish US senator, I have no confidence that most of the rest of the country will be enthusiastic about doing so. In my opinion, misogyny, bigotry, and antisemitism are not bugs of the Republicult™, they're features.
I see the Kamala Harris Campaign is using the adjective 'weird' to describe TSF and his newly designated partner in crime.
Now, I would have used the word 'creepy' instead. But, after thinking about it a bit, I realized, for the long haul, the Harris Campaign probably did make the better choice. And, that's because 'weird' may be a weaker synonym, but it subtlety implies the noun(s) being modified is/are also 'insignificant.'
Language is a many splendored thing.
I found this on a couple of political sites yesterday afternoon:
"Twitter Suspends 'White Dudes For Harris' Account After $4 Million Fundraising Call"
As per this article:
""We scared @elonmusk and @DonaldJTrumpJr so much tonight they suspended our account and won't let us back in," Nellis wrote on his own X page, using the handles of X owner Elon Musk and the son of GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump. "These guys are running scared of the success we've had tonight, but we're not going to quit."
Celebrities like Jeff Bridges, Josh Groban, Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Lance Bass, among others, joined the White Dudes for Harris fundraising call, which raised $4 million for Harris' Democratic campaign. On X, the White Dudes for Harris account describes itself as "Just a few dudes who support Kamala Harris.""
Here's the link to this article: Twitter Suspends 'White Dudes For Harris' Account (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/x-suspends-white-dudes-harris-account_n_66a8f206e4b0a3cd43f73fe1)
The MSM pretty much dropped the ball on this story, and even the above quoted media outlet didn't bother to update their post when the account was eventually restored. But, it does kind of look like at least one of the 'Oligarchs for TSF' is scared.
Another subculture is joining the party. Far out, man!
"'Deadheads for Kamala' to mark Jerry Garcia's birthday with Harris fundraiser"
As per this article:
"A group dubbed "Deadheads for Kamala" will mark the late Grateful Dead guitarist Jerry Garcia's birthday with a fundraiser for Vice President Harris, who became the likely Democratic presidential nominee after President Biden withdrew from the race last week.
The virtual event, slated for Aug. 13, will celebrate Garcia's birthday and aim to mobilize attendees to help elect Harris for president this November, according to the event invitation.
It will be hosted by David Gans, the host of the radio program "The Grateful Dead Hour," and Steve Leventhal, the owner and host of Acid Flashback Radio, per the invitation.
Garcia died in August 1995 after suffering a heart attack at a residential drug treatment facility in Forest Knolls, Calif. He was 53 years old. Garcia's actual birthday is Aug. 1, but organizers said the event will take place on Aug. 13 due to a scheduling conflict."
Here's the link to this article: 'Deadheads for Kamala' Fundraiser (https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/4803023-deadheads-kamala-harris-fundraiser/)
Truckin', like the doo-dah man
Once told me, "You got to play your hand"
Sometimes the cards ain't worth a dime
If you don't lay 'em down
Quote from: Brother Mythos on July 27, 2024, 07:28:40 AMMy reasoning is that I don't believe she actually needs Josh Shapiro to win the state.
it's not
required for her to pick him to win the state, but it's the easiest path of victory, when given out of the presented options. I'd prefer if it was someone with a better progressive record than Shapiro, but the Dems need to win PA if they want to win the election and that state will be competitive if she picks another dude as VP. And also, I've disliked with how moderate she's been swinging the past couple of days (like walking back on the fracking ban and m4a), but I understand the thought process behind it because it seems she's focusing on getting the rust belt vote. If she wins PA, MI, and Wi, it would be exactly enough electoral votes to get her to 270 and win, without needing Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, or North Coralina. Granted, Trump did self-destruct at that black journalist event so the latter two swing states can be offered as a potential viable victory path, but the way she's running is like she wants to win, instead of pleasing every base and interest group.
Although honestly, at this point, I don't really care what they do or how they run. All I care about right now is Trump losing, and Shapiro is probably the best choice for that. If I thought someone like Mark Kelly would give her a better chance, even if I disagree heavily with his previous anti-union stuff, I will say pick him. Trump cannot fucking win at all.
Quote from: Brother Mythos on July 30, 2024, 02:04:15 PMI see the Kamala Harris Campaign is using the adjective 'weird' to describe TSF and his newly designated partner in crime.
Now, I would have used the word 'creepy' instead. But, after thinking about it a bit, I realized, for the long haul, the Harris Campaign probably did make the better choice. And, that's because 'weird' may be a weaker synonym, but it subtlety implies the noun(s) being modified is/are also 'insignificant.'
Language is a many splendored thing.
"
Clinical psychologist explains the power of calling Republicans 'weird'"
As per this article:
"Dr. Carl Hindy, Ph.D., HSP posted in a thread on X that the power of using phrases like "that's weird" or "that's just weird" is that it conveys, "That's just not worth of discussion."
"Therein is the magic," said Hindy. "With Trump it means not allowing him to define the discussion or make the rules. It stops the Dems from chasing him down his rabbit hole. That seems to infuriate Trump, who's now escalating to pull them back into arguments and to continue to define the game.""
And, further along in this article:
"Rhetoric expert and professor Jennifer Mercieca referred to the Friday morning Axios report that purported to reveal the real reason Trump delayed walking out on stage at the National Association of Black Journalists. According to the piece, Trump was furious that he would be fact-checked in real-time.
Mercieca explained that Trump wants to have the definitive word on everything.
"Remember when I explained that, like all authoritarians, Trump is 'cognitively irresponsible,'" she posted on Friday. "He never wants to be questioned or have to give good information. He would rather 'because I said so' be the end of any conversation."
So, as Hindy explained, shutting Trump down with "that's weird" eliminates his power to end the conversation on his terms."
Here's the link to this article:
The Power of Calling Republicans 'Weird' (https://www.rawstory.com/news/donald-trump-weird-2668865429/)
This is something I thought I would never see:
"Latter-day Saints, Democrats and Republicans, join forces to support Harris"
"'Areas heavy with LDS chapels in the east valley were most likely to flip blue,' said BYU professor Jacob Rugh of Utah's 2020 election"
Here's the link to this article: Latter-day Saints for Harris (https://utahnewsdispatch.com/2024/08/07/latter-day-saints-democrats-and-republicans-support-harris/)
First it was the Dude himself, from the Church of the Latter-day Dude, and now this! Again, I did not see it coming.
It occurred to me that the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Chicago is going to be in stark contrast to the freak show that was the recent Republicult™ National Convention in Milwaukee.
What we saw at the RNC was a steady parade of convicted felons, soon-to-be convicted felons, self-serving sycophants, has-been celebrities, and two very creepy, weird candidates.
What I expect we will see at the upcoming DNC is a diverse, united, joyous, wildly enthusiastic crowd of Kamala Harris supporters who will formally select, announce, and celebrate her as their presidential nominee. I'm certain the pantheon of A-list celebrities in attendance alone will have TSF whining about them for days, if not weeks, afterwards. And, I believe the momentum Kamala Harris has already built so quickly is going to continue and be multiplied at the convention.
I think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
Quote from: Pergamos on August 10, 2024, 05:49:25 PMI think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
We get it. You want Trump back.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 11, 2024, 04:40:16 PMQuote from: Pergamos on August 10, 2024, 05:49:25 PMI think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
We get it. You want Trump back.
Yeah, that's pretty much what she said when people were protesting about it at her rally too. Since when is "genocide, but without admitting you favor complete genocide" the acceptable lesser evil?
"Early Harris-Walz rallies feature big crowds, talk of 'joy' and unsolicited GOP counterprogramming" (https://apnews.com/article/harris-walz-rallies-battleground-states-vance-trump-7da99aace01fec1c784fba27fdbce558)
But, someone is really whining about it: TSF Whines about Kamala Harris Crowd Sizes (https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112944255426268462)
One of his babysitters needs to find his binky, and change his diaper again.
Quote from: Pergamos on August 11, 2024, 05:05:58 PMQuote from: Doktor Howl on August 11, 2024, 04:40:16 PMQuote from: Pergamos on August 10, 2024, 05:49:25 PMI think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
We get it. You want Trump back.
Yeah, that's pretty much what she said when people were protesting about it at her rally too. Since when is "genocide, but without admitting you favor complete genocide" the acceptable lesser evil?
Trump recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and planted an embassy there.
Sorry, the US is fully in support of genocide, regardless of which of your parties gets in. No lesser of two evils there, you are as a nation, fully committed to that specific evil.
Quote from: Pergamos on August 11, 2024, 05:05:58 PMQuote from: Doktor Howl on August 11, 2024, 04:40:16 PMQuote from: Pergamos on August 10, 2024, 05:49:25 PMI think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
We get it. You want Trump back.
Yeah, that's pretty much what she said when people were protesting about it at her rally too. Since when is "genocide, but without admitting you favor complete genocide" the acceptable lesser evil?
There is no viable anti-genocide presidential candidate. Vote harm reduction for prez, lobby your senator and congresscritter, and engage in direct action when and where you are able to make opportunities. It's not either or.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on August 12, 2024, 01:03:37 AMThere is no viable anti-genocide presidential candidate. Vote harm reduction for prez, lobby your senator and congresscritter, and engage in direct action when and where you are able to make opportunities. It's not either or.
I agree with the above assessment of our current situation.
TSF and his Republicult™ are an existential threat to democracy, and our republic.
Kamala Harris is not an existential threat to either democracy, or our republic. And, Kamala Harris may, or may not, continue our government's decades old policy of unconditional support for the government of Israel.
So, please do follow Q. G. Pennyworth's advice.
Quote from: Faust on August 11, 2024, 10:15:00 PMQuote from: Pergamos on August 11, 2024, 05:05:58 PMQuote from: Doktor Howl on August 11, 2024, 04:40:16 PMQuote from: Pergamos on August 10, 2024, 05:49:25 PMI think her support of the genocide in Israel is costing her a lot of support, and also costing those who might support her a lot of joy.
We get it. You want Trump back.
Yeah, that's pretty much what she said when people were protesting about it at her rally too. Since when is "genocide, but without admitting you favor complete genocide" the acceptable lesser evil?
Trump recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and planted an embassy there.
Sorry, the US is fully in support of genocide, regardless of which of your parties gets in. No lesser of two evils there, you are as a nation, fully committed to that specific evil.
Yes, that's exactly my point. We've got two options, both of which support genocide, to the point of arming the folks committing it, and sending troops to help make it happen.
Yes, the US elections are about harm reduction, not getting a good candidate in. As I've said before unless you are planning to break the system you only have the option of least harmful
I phoned Uncle François this morning, and gave him my weekly political report from 'Merica. He, of course, had already seen the glowing reviews in the French media about Kamala Harris's debate performance.
Uncle François, in turn, reported back that the French media sees Kamala Harris as being both presidential, and positive about our future under her leadership.
Quote from: Brother Mythos on August 12, 2024, 05:10:29 PMQuote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on August 12, 2024, 01:03:37 AMThere is no viable anti-genocide presidential candidate. Vote harm reduction for prez, lobby your senator and congresscritter, and engage in direct action when and where you are able to make opportunities. It's not either or.
I agree with the above assessment of our current situation.
TSF and his Republicult™ are an existential threat to democracy, and our republic.
Kamala Harris is not an existential threat to either democracy, or our republic. And, Kamala Harris may, or may not, continue our government's decades old policy of unconditional support for the government of Israel.
So, please do follow Q. G. Pennyworth's advice.
There is a viable anti genocide candidate. It's Jill Stein. But no one will vote for her because apparently Seppos are fond of self fulfilling prophecies. So they say "She can't possibly win" & ensure they're correct by not voting third party ever.
Btw: Jill Stein is Jewish but she's now not being defamed as an anti-vaxxer for saying maybe jailing parents who don't want tbheir kids vaccinated is a bad idea. No, now she's a "self-hating Jew."
Which is apparently the fashionable way to describe anyone who heeded Marek Edelman's words when he wa asked why he did not emigrate ot Israel after having led the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, survived a concentration camp & retirned to Poland to oppose the Soviets.
"To be a Jew means to always be on the side of the oppressed & not the oppressors."
https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/reel/C6ocmwMt6KE/?hl=en
Quote from: Mandelbrot Slapper on September 14, 2024, 01:36:24 PMThere is a viable anti genocide candidate. It's Jill Stein.
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Quote from: Pergamos on August 16, 2024, 08:05:44 PMYes, that's exactly my point. We've got two options, both of which support genocide, to the point of arming the folks committing it, and sending troops to help make it happen.
I gotta ask, who promised you good choices? :lulz:
Quote from: Mandelbrot Slapper on September 14, 2024, 01:36:24 PMIt's Jill Stein. But no one will vote for her because apparently Seppos are fond of self fulfilling prophecies. So they say "She can't possibly win" & ensure they're correct by not voting third party ever.
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SHE'S A SHIT CANDIDATE THAT CAN'T EVEN GROW HER PARTY DESPITE RUNNING FOR THREE TIMES. SHE'S GONNA BE AS INCOMPETENT AS THE DEMS.
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on October 05, 2024, 10:01:21 AMQuote from: Mandelbrot Slapper on September 14, 2024, 01:36:24 PMIt's Jill Stein. But no one will vote for her because apparently Seppos are fond of self fulfilling prophecies. So they say "She can't possibly win" & ensure they're correct by not voting third party ever.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
SHE'S A SHIT CANDIDATE THAT CAN'T EVEN GROW HER PARTY DESPITE RUNNING FOR THREE TIMES. SHE'S GONNA BE AS INCOMPETENT AS THE DEMS.
That just about sums it up.
So apparently FEMA is running out of money, and the Republicans refuse to reconvene congress to approve more funds for it. I am not surprised Biden doesn't remember that he can reapportion the military budget for emergencies, he's a very old man, but I'd have thought at least one of his advisors would remember.
"An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance."
We all just saw this to be true.
For what it's worth, the internet currently attributes this quote to David Lee Roth. But, it was actually made famous back in the early 70s by Laurence J. Peter of The Peter Principle fame.
And, it's now officially finger pointing time!
"Pelosi blames Biden for election loss as finger pointing intensifies"
As per this BBC article:
"Former US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said Democrats might have fared better in Tuesday's election if President Joe Biden had exited the race sooner.
Pelosi - one of the most powerful politicians in Washington - told the New York Times that "had the president gotten out sooner, there may have been other candidates in the race".
Her remarks are the latest finger pointing from Democrats after the party lost hold of the White House and potentially both chambers of Congress on Tuesday.
Pelosi is widely reported to have led the Democrats' push to oust Biden, who ended up leaving the race at the end of July after weeks of pressure following a poor debate performance against Donald Trump."
In general, I respect former US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But, knowing what I know now, I ain't buying her argument. For that to happen, she would have to convince me that she would not have both immediately endorsed, and personally campaigned for her fellow Californian politician, Kamala Harris, for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.
And, further along in this article:
"Independent Senator Bernie Sanders, who ran for president as a Democrat in 2016 and 2020, accused the party in a lengthy statement of abandoning working people.
"While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change," he wrote. "And they're right."
He argued Democrats probably wouldn't learn from the election outcome."
Now, I don't believe the Democratic Party has actually abandoned working people. I believe it's more a case of them not knowing who working people really are these days.
But, I do believe Senator Sanders is right when he argued that Democrats probably wouldn't learn from the election outcome.
Here's the link to this BBC article: Pelosi Gives Points the Finger to at Biden (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7m24zg85eo)
Re: Bernie Comment
Not to stroke Sleepy Joe off, but hasn't he been one of the most pro union presidents in a while? In fact, I remember the Dems spending around 30 billion dollars bailing out pension funds for the teamster union, only for them to not give any endorsements for either candidate. :lulz: [AVGN voice] What were they thinking?
Quote from: Sophia the Altered on November 10, 2024, 06:46:12 AMRe: Bernie Comment
Not to stroke Sleepy Joe off, but hasn't he been one of the most pro union presidents in a while? In fact, I remember the Dems spending around 30 billion dollars bailing out pension funds for the teamster union, only for them to not give any endorsements for either candidate. :lulz: [AVGN voice] What were they thinking?
I had forgotten all about the Teamsters' Pension Fund bailout, and I had to look up what happened there to jog my memory. But, you're right, Joe Biden has been one of the most pro-union president in a while. And, yes, the General Executive Board of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters definitely, and intentionally, bit the hand that fed them.
And, that's just a part of what prompted me to write, "I believe it's more a case of them [The Democratic Party's leadership] not knowing who working people really are these days."
I know a number of labor union, and retired former labor union, members who only cash(ed) a decent paycheck every week because they belong(ed) to strong labor unions, but are still extremely proud, anti-union MAGAts. I don't know the actual statistics, but I have no reason to believe that the people I know personally are outliers.
I'll be pro-union until I die but man it sucks that the working class in America is the perfect example you'll find of the "lumpenproletariat." And it doesn't feel like we'll ever escape that reality unless serious reforms are made in the education system.