And I can't shake off the feeling I had read it before. Really wierd feeling too. I couldnt pin it down to any particular page or character, it was just the entire thing. Like I had read it a long time ago and forgot it all. Anyone else have this? And no, I had not taken anything "special" before reading it. :roll:
I did get that feeling from time to time while I was reading that. He uses psychological devices in his writing that pulls you outside yourself. That is the only way I know how to describe it, others may describe it differently. It was really weird, I must say. I have read a lot of books and I have never read anything like that. I suspect the confusion in the book clears the mind of the reader as well.
That may be why, it seems to make sense. The only other time I had that wzs the first time I read the Principia, but since that is so spread out via the internet, I may have actually read it before.
Quote from: KenseiThat may be why, it seems to make sense. The only other time I had that wzs the first time I read the Principia, but since that is so spread out via the internet, I may have actually read it before.
The first time I came across the PD was on the internet in 1997. So I know I have had a lot of deja vu feelings from actually having read it before :lol: then having it cross my path, again. Plus, the stuff in the Trilogy is all over the place. He puts stuff in there form a lot of religions and sects and cults and weirdos and just all kinds of stuff. So, in a different guise, I have read a lot of that stuff elsewhere. :wink:
The trilogy is indeed a very special experience. Everyone should read it.
I went pretty much insane for a solid month after I read that book for the first time...
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QuoteI went pretty much insane for a solid month after I read that book for the first time...
What do you mean "went?" :wink:
I may be just a bit sociopathic...a tad self-destructive...maybe a little neurotic...but I'm by no means insane...
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QuoteI may be just a bit sociopathic...a tad self-destructive...maybe a little neurotic...
Ah, perfectly normal then.
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I'll see your self-destruction and raise you a self-mutilation....
Im unsane
Its not thatI lost my sanity
I just never had it to loose
I'm as normal as they come...and I don't really get into self-mutilation...I prefer to mutilate others...
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i got the impressiont hat they cut things out of the omnibus ed. that were int eh original. as well with shrodinger's cat.
Quote from: MalaulIm unsane
Its not thatI lost my sanity
I just never had it to loose
Confused me when you said that yesterday, but that makes sense. Have a nice sleep.
i'm the sanest person i know.
wtf is that shit eh?
Quote from: inspector horabi'm the sanest person i know.
wtf is that shit eh?
You hang out with some crazy people, man. Hey, I resemble that remark, or not or something, Now I'm confused, eh?
Quote from: whiplover fergusonand I don't really get into self-mutilation...I prefer to mutilate others...
I prefer psychological torture. Doesn't leave marks. :twisted:
i hate to be hurt and hate to hurt. wtf?
there's all in good fun, and then there'sa line somewhere.
Quote from: bad speller horabi hate to be hurt and hate to hurt. wtf?
there's all in good fun, and then there'sa line somewhere.
There's pain that is just painful, then there is pain that isn't and there's some things that are painful under some circumstances and pleasurable under other circumstances. Where that line is drawn is different for everyone. I guess I am pretty much a hedonist, pleasure for pleasure's sake. Others prefer a little pain, some actually prefer a lot of pain. Don't you watch Desparate Housewives?
pain don't hurt.
no one moves and no one gets hurt
-john dillinger
i'm staring at the precipice with a cup within my hand
this is the last place where i will stand
the curve or the equation
the lyric or the sound?
damnable inflation theories abound!
silence deafens the drums of the ear.
Quote from: eldora_avalonQuote from: bad speller horabi hate to be hurt and hate to hurt. wtf?
there's all in good fun, and then there'sa line somewhere.
There's pain that is just painful, then there is pain that isn't and there's some things that are painful under some circumstances and pleasurable under other circumstances. Where that line is drawn is different for everyone. I guess I am pretty much a hedonist, pleasure for pleasure's sake. Others prefer a little pain, some actually prefer a lot of pain. Don't you watch Desparate Housewives?
Is true. I learnt alot about pain, when I had to climb out of the Colca Canyon on next to no food and with no water, 5 hours climbing at high starting altitude, where oxygen was at a premium. I learnt you can see through the pain, accept it and move on. Know its there, but put it aside and carry on. Of course, you cant keep it up forever. I nearly collapsed and several others did. But it showed me how far you can go beyond such pain.
pain is for pussies.
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Quotepain is for pussies.
You leave my cat alone, sir! 8)
aww...but I was havcing such a good time playing with slippers...er..whiskers...
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Quoteaww...but I was havcing such a good time playing with slippers...er..whiskers...
Actually his name's Lister...and he's not declawed... :twisted:
if he's a pussy, shouldn't his name be Rimmer?
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Great book. Found the princpia discordia a few months back... then randomly found the illuminatus trilogy like... last week... half way through. Love my life.
Quote from: Legionnaire RydelLove my life.
give us time...we'll fix that for you...
:twisted:
Quotegive us time...we'll fix that for you...
Sounds erotic... I think.
specially when we fix it with pliers and toothpicks
I thought we fixed most things with duct tape, er duck tape, er, whatever the fuck it's called :roll:
if you can't fix it with duct tape, it probably can't be fixed...
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Yeah... Was intrested in reading the trilogy, but I'm not that sure where to find it. Maybe I can be lazy/stupid and just try and download it somewhere... Or can I find it in just 'normal' online shops like amazon.com or ebay?
Now, I know what you are/are not thinking: this guy could have looked on amazon.com or ebay first to find out, instead of posting the question here stupidly!
Well that's right, I could have done. But I didn't. And that cannot be changed, unless I, in a sudden spur of mercy and courage, decide to not post this message.
[pedantry]
Yes, you can find Illuminatus! in most large bookstore chains, and on amazon.com...
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I think they put it under Shea's name in the last one I went to.Just so you know to check there too.
The Library. :P
Thanks! I guess I'll check my local library first, so maybe I can borrow it for free instead of buying it from a bookshop...
I read the illuminatus trillogy........what an awsome book!!!!!!! its mind blowing, makes u think, and funny as hell!! Wilson is my new favorit author
^that was me sry 4got 2 log in lol
you are forgiven simpl;y because your website link takes me to my Lord and Master
Funny, I thought I was your lord and master...
::ducks::
the Lord and Master is All Mighty FOAMY
Quote from: Ignotum per Ignotiusthe Lord and Master is All Mighty FOAMY
i thought it was the xhix0r with the wife ebater and the shorts.
Quote from: horabi got the impressiont hat they cut things out of the omnibus ed. that were int eh original. as well with shrodinger's cat.
What made you think parts had been cut out? I know that some was 'lost' on its way to the publisher, or so the story goes, but I've never heard of any being cut.
I think . . .
Maybe?
As far as I knew, they added stuff to the omnibus edition, which was released after the trilogy did so well. It wasn't supposed to be three boks in the beginning.
I'll check my copy of cosmic trigger when I get home. RAW talks about it.
there was differences ebttween the orginal 70's publish an dhte omnibus. certain scenes i was expecting (such as wehn the detective guy was goigncrazy from teh schizo mind bomb) were shortened or parts were cut out or stuff. i can't recall exactly now. i'v eread the omnibus 5 1/2 times(both trilogies) since tehn.
Whats the omnibus? it sounds familiar, but i cant quit place it...
I think omnibus = all three books bound together in one volume.
I heard an interview with RAW where he said that like 500 pages had to be cut from the Illuminatus trilogy because the publisher thought it was too long. Though, apparently, much of the stuff was re-used in Schroedinger's cat.
Ok, here's the thing. I read the first two books and am actually now in the middle of Leviathan but can't get myself interested again. What gives?
You realized it was all gibberish? That happened to me, but I persevered, out of interest.
i recommend reading the trilogy under the influence.
i second that
What exactly is it that has lost your interest?
The first time I read it I got a bit bored toward the end, the second time I read it the end was my favourite part - it'll take a couple months to permeate your brain.
To me, Leviathan was the weakest of it. The cut-up dream sequences/acid trips/deprogramming, the "we are all in a book" bit, the lists, the Triumphant Conclusion of Good v Evil... it all sort of petered out.
But at least they summoned Eris by fucking the hell out of Mavis.
Whoops! Was that a spoiler?
Really? But that's where it all comes together - that's where almost all the lessons are learned . . . please tell me you read the appendixes?
I tend not to consider the appendicies part of the "story" as it were... You're right, they are fairly interesting, and did sum things up nicely.
Don't worry, CR, I've read the damn thing dozens of times.
Quote from: LMNOTo me, Leviathan was the weakest of it. The cut-up dream sequences/acid trips/deprogramming, the "we are all in a book" bit, the lists, the Triumphant Conclusion of Good v Evil... it all sort of petered out.
But at least they summoned Eris by fucking the hell out of Mavis.
Whoops! Was that a spoiler?
i thought ht eliving in a book thgn was cool,bjut it's placement and it's utilization was antithetic, they had already destroyed the nazis and leviathopn was really just a shitty cthulu knockoff, adn off course, tehre was the crappy bad acid trip bits. electric kool aid acid test does a lo better job of that sort.
i aconsider the appendices btoh part fo the story an d compelte evil. or at least near enough. also my favourite part of the books.
Quote from: Tlacaxipehualiztlii aconsider the appendices btoh part fo the story an d compelte evil. or at least near enough.
Eh??
:?
every time i read this book i want to read it again, which is a bad habit to get into.
Quote from: Christ Raw V, KSCQuote from: Tlacaxipehualiztlii aconsider the appendices btoh part fo the story an d compelte evil. or at least near enough.
Eh??
:?
i mean whati said and i'm sticking to it.
Quote from: TlacaxipehualiztliQuote from: Christ Raw V, KSCQuote from: Tlacaxipehualiztlii aconsider the appendices btoh part fo the story an d compelte evil. or at least near enough.
Eh??
:?
i mean whati said and i'm sticking to it.
He's new, he's not horab yet, :twisted:
If I may (and even if I may not!) Remember that the approximate zeitraum of the novel is 1960 ish to 70ish and so much of what was a :shock: shocker then is now :roll: boring I second reading it under the influence of Herb or vitamin A :wink: what R.A.W. and Shea are trying to do is linguistically maneuver the reader through those wild and crazy daze to provoke suspicions about Reality as perceived through our limited neurology and cultural filters.
Quote from: PopeLoUDICRUCEIf I may (and even if I may not!) Remember that the approximate zeitraum of the novel is 1960 ish to 70ish and so much of what was a :shock: shocker then is now :roll: boring I second reading it under the influence of Herb or vitamin A :wink: what R.A.W. and Shea are trying to do is linguistically maneuver the reader through those wild and crazy daze to provoke suspicions about Reality as perceived through our limited neurology and cultural filters.
Now
that's a spoiler.
:lol:
Accurate, though.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: TlacaxipehualiztliQuote from: Christ Raw V, KSCQuote from: Tlacaxipehualiztlii aconsider the appendices btoh part fo the story an d compelte evil. or at least near enough.
Eh??
:?
i mean whati said and i'm sticking to it.
He's new, he's not horab yet, :twisted:
I understood what was written - but why EVIL? Evil to me is more like John Grisham . . . or those Chicken Soup for the Soul thingies . . . or Harry Potter.
My interpretation of horab:
"evil" because it gives things away too easily. Instead of going to the encyclopedia (or online, these days),a nd having to actually figure it out yourself, they more-or-less spoon feed you.
But that's just my interpretation.
I don't know that I fully agree with you . . . the appendixes are not exactly light reading, and they don't really tell you a lot that wasn't already explained somewhere in the story.
I guess as I see it, Illuminatus is the encyclopedia, you just need to weed out the important shit from the farce . . . or maybe the farce is the important shit . . . or maybe the important shit is farce . . . or maybe its all important . . . or maybe its all farce.
I don't know what I'm going on about anymore.
and, at any rate, I think 'evil' is pushing it.
Eh, I think you just need to hang around Horab some more.
Anyway, it was just my interpretation.
PS - In Illuminatus!, nothing is true.
There is no conspiracy anywhere
Quote from: Christ Raw V, KSCand, at any rate, I think 'evil' is pushing it.
no, no, it's definitely pulling it, but in any case, it's evil because it seemed like the thign to say at the time. tho el's interpretaton while reasonably falacious, is altogether sensiible and comes tot eh mark.
i foudn the entire book to be very light reading, including the appendices.
mind you, i could never get past the first page or 3 of the hobbit.
when you don't knwo what you are on about aymore, you are striking deep into the heart of the Mysteree.
also, in Illimunatus!
everything is true.
teh janitor at your local high school is in charge of north america
Quote from: LMNOTo me, Leviathan was the weakest of it. The cut-up dream sequences/acid trips/deprogramming, the "we are all in a book" bit, the lists
hmm...i would like to dissagrea with u here, the lists and ramblings and choppy senes all made sence where it was, i mean, what else could be put in its place. even on its own the what the seemingly incoherentness of it made quita bit of sence if u ask me.
in regards to the validity of trueth to the story. perhaps this questioning and ambiguaty is inderectly connected to what the book talks about the information/missinformation/half trueths/half lies/ trueths/ lies/ both truth and lies. to which the sectreat society discussed is said to practice in order to get those whome are looking into the subject confuzed and all turned around, and keeping party members on a short leash on what the societys true agenda is. thus mind games of a sort
Quote from: Ignotum per IgnotiusQuote from: LMNOTo me, Leviathan was the weakest of it. The cut-up dream sequences/acid trips/deprogramming, the "we are all in a book" bit, the lists
hmm...i would like to dissagrea with u here, the lists and ramblings and choppy senes all made sence where it was, i mean, what else could be put in its place. even on its own the what the seemingly incoherentness of it made quita bit of sence if u ask me.
in regards to the validity of trueth to the story. perhaps this questioning and ambiguaty is inderectly connected to what the book talks about the information/missinformation/half trueths/half lies/ trueths/ lies/ both truth and lies. to which the sectreat society discussed is said to practice in order to get those whome are looking into the subject confuzed and all turned around, and keeping party members on a short leash on what the societys true agenda is. thus mind games of a sort
1. I understood
why it was there, and the
purpose it served, and before you ask, yes, I understood the dream/trip logic of it. It's just when I got the third page of band names, I couldn't help skimming a bit.
2. The whole "nothing/everything is true" bit I, and others, occasionally do is a meta-joke, of sorts. We get it, we're just teasing each other/the random lurker.
Quote from: LMNOIt's just when I got the third page of band names, I couldn't help skimming a bit
i found that that was ammusing
But everything IS true - and nothing is true . . . that's the best part about the "satire".
Every book is fiction, even text books.
maybe. but not always and sometimes or never always.
Oh, ALWAYS - except when it's never.
sorry, only on saturdays that lie on the 4th of the month in odd numbered years which are also not prime.
Quote from: Mr. Fibslagersorry, only on saturdays that lie on the 4th of the month in odd numbered years which are also not prime.
Okaaayyy, I am a math geek and that made my head hurt, or at least it made my brain go (http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/eek5.gif)
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: Mr. Fibslagersorry, only on saturdays that lie on the 4th of the month in odd numbered years which are also not prime.
Okaaayyy, I am a math geek and that made my head hurt, or at least it made my brain go (http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/eek5.gif)
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