Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 07:25:14 PM

Poll
Question: what?
Option 1: discordianism? votes: 1
Option 2: assholism? votes: 2
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 07:25:14 PM
i am confused. maybe i'm not a discordian after all. all these folks that keep saying thing about discordianicity seem to subscribe to assholism rather than marveling at the counterpushpull of the hodge podge, which in it's incestual lust creates teh vibes we call strife, discord, chaos, whihc push against order and control. or something.i always had the impression it was about havign a laugh, being funny in an odd sorta way, sending people weird letters for kicks, writing on dollar bills and altering billboards. not making some poor janitor somewhere have to clean up soem pile of shit because you plugged the toilet, not attacking other people's view jsut for them having them. i think it has mmore to do with pies and cookies than killing and rudeness. i think it's great that soem of yall are realizing where america is going, and that's great. some of us don't live there. soem of us don't care. soem of us are doing things, and some of us are doing nothing. and it is all good. i mean it's not for  any of us to judge, and how coudl we, given the evidence?

there was apoint to that, but i forget now. oh yes, this is discordianism not assholism.
if you don't want to leave high school, that's fine.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:26:48 PM
Why do you hate job security for janitors?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 07:32:58 PM
Of, fuck off, Roger.  :roll:

Horab you have a point. Discordianism's not a license to be an asshole. And what good's a jake if it only causes destruction? Isn't our trip supposed to be about CREATIVE disorder? Aren't there ENOUGH assholes willing to be destructive in the world already? Balance, people, BALANCE!

Just look at all the stress out there! Eating disorders, mental disorders, roadrage, war! Isn't there ENOUGH violence and assholery already? Doesn't this hint to any of you that something is seriously out of whack?

And does it make things any better to act just like the assholes only in reverse? I don't think so.

All is Chaos, but remember the grid. Creative/Destructive. Order/Disorder.

Why do we think Destructive Disorder is ok as long as a self-professed "Discordian" does it?

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: agent compassionOf, fuck off, Roger.  :roll:

Horab you have a point. Discordianism's not a license to be an asshole. And what good's a jake if it only causes destruction? Isn't our trip supposed to be about CREATIVE disorder? Aren't there ENOUGH assholes willing to be destructive in the world already? Balance, people, BALANCE!

Just look at all the stress out there! Eating disorders, mental disorders, roadrage, war! Isn't there ENOUGH violence and assholery already? Doesn't this hint to any of you that something is seriously out of whack?

And does it make things any better to act just like the assholes only in reverse? I don't think so.

All is Chaos, but remember the grid. Creative/Destructive. Order/Disorder.

Why do we think Destructive Disorder is ok as long as a self-professed "Discordian" does it?

8)

So, now we have orthodoxy???

YOUR form of Discordianism is right, and mine is wrong?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Bella on February 26, 2005, 07:43:35 PM
You should go into the shrink business Agent C.
I spent thousands of dollars and seven years in therapy.
I asked my Dr how he'd know when I was ready to 'graduate".
He said everything he taught me could be boiled down into one word.
As soon as I figured out what that word was, I was done.

The word was BALANCE.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2005, 07:45:15 PM
There is both destrucive chaos and creative chaos.  Creative chaos can bring about lovely new things.  Destructive chaos can bring about the end of nasty old greyfaced things. Which in turn allows for more new things.  Another type of balance?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:46:23 PM
Quote from: KenseiThere is both destrucive chaos and creative chaos.  Creative chaos can bring about lovely new things.  Destructive chaos can bring about the end of nasty old greyfaced things. Which in turn allows for more new things.  Another type of balance?

To save society, we must destroy it...much as a forest fire clears the way for new growth.

TGRR,
Just found a whole new rationalization! (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/banana.gif)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Bella on February 26, 2005, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.
You'd absolutely lose that bet, Rog.

I love balance.
It keeps me almost sane.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:47:56 PM
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.
You'd absolutely lose that bet, Rog.

I love balance.
It keeps me almost sane.

Look at the world around you.  Taken as individuals, most of the leaders, and the population, are sane.

Tell me sanity is working.

TGRR,
Knows it isn't.  Destroy the old ways.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2005, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

To save society, we must destroy it...much as a forest fire clears the way for new growth.

TGRR,
Just found a whole new rationalization! (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/banana.gif)

I get the feeling that may have been a bad idea....


Oh, what the hell!
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.

i dthinkit's discordianism at all . i used to think it was, but i've coem to think you're jsut a big prick, who likes to see other people squirm. course, you dont' seem to be able to take what you like to dish out.

i like balanced unbalance. roger's wet dream is a world where we eat our children so we dont' starve while fending off anarchistnihilst hordes bent on procreating with our un as yet mutated women. roger's perfect world is a world where no one has any responsibility, except to keep thei rbellies full and their dicks hard.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2005, 07:51:06 PM
Insanity amongst individuals is rare.  Amongst groups, societies, and nations, it is the rule.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:51:50 PM
Quote from: Kensei
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

To save society, we must destroy it...much as a forest fire clears the way for new growth.

TGRR,
Just found a whole new rationalization! (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/banana.gif)

I get the feeling that may have been a bad idea....


Oh, what the hell!

Probably.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: horab
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.

i dthinkit's discordianism at all . i used to think it was, but i've coem to think you're jsut a big prick, who likes to see other people squirm. course, you dont' seem to be able to take what you like to dish out.

i like balanced unbalance. roger's wet dream is a world where we eat our children so we dont' starve while fending off anarchistnihilst hordes bent on procreating with our un as yet mutated women. roger's perfect world is a world where no one has any responsibility, except to keep thei rbellies full and their dicks hard.

1.  And there you have the Subgenius dichotomy:  Mankind's last hope, or just another excuse for assholes? It makes no difference to me, really, because I am up for any program.

2.  You say that like it's a BAD thing.  Actually, it's never too late to be pessimistic.  In fact, events may prove my pessimism to be insanely optimistic!  It can, of course, always get worse, and most likely will.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.
You'd absolutely lose that bet, Rog.

I love balance.
It keeps me almost sane.

Look at the world around you.  Taken as individuals, most of the leaders, and the population, are sane.

Tell me sanity is working.

TGRR,
Knows it isn't.  Destroy the old ways.

yeah, that' the way, let destroy 10000 years of fumbling int eh dark so we can do it all over again!!!!!!!!

ya ever wonder why things are the way they are? it's because htis is the best solution we've been able to implemnet so far. someday it will get better, but not if we forget where we've been.

lookj at the world wars. thos enations that saw the fighting on their soil are soem fo the msot peacful today(with the exception of france - tho even then) western europe hasn't fought itself since, which given the past what is it, 2000 years? of cosntant warfare, is pretty cool.

and as for oldways, being an asshole, fuckign up other people's shit, that's an old way, and one of the root old ways. try changing that.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 07:59:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: horab
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

The word was BALANCE.

I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.

TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.

i dthinkit's discordianism at all . i used to think it was, but i've coem to think you're jsut a big prick, who likes to see other people squirm. course, you dont' seem to be able to take what you like to dish out.

i like balanced unbalance. roger's wet dream is a world where we eat our children so we dont' starve while fending off anarchistnihilst hordes bent on procreating with our un as yet mutated women. roger's perfect world is a world where no one has any responsibility, except to keep thei rbellies full and their dicks hard.

1.  And there you have the Subgenius dichotomy:  Mankind's last hope, or just another excuse for assholes? It makes no difference to me, really, because I am up for any program.

2.  You say that like it's a BAD thing.  Actually, it's never too late to be pessimistic.  In fact, events may prove my pessimism to be insanely optimistic!  It can, of course, always get worse, and most likely will.

teh cure will be worse than the disease, but it's still no excuse for not takign responsibility for owb actions. you know why jesus failed? because everybody's too afraid to to treat others how they wanna be treated. try it sometime. it'll make you feel good about yourself, about the world around you.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: horab

yeah, that' the way, let destroy 10000 years of fumbling int eh dark so we can do it all over again!!!!!!!!

ya ever wonder why things are the way they are? it's because htis is the best solution we've been able to implemnet so far. someday it will get better, but not if we forget where we've been.

lookj at the world wars. thos enations that saw the fighting on their soil are soem fo the msot peacful today(with the exception of france - tho even then) western europe hasn't fought itself since, which given the past what is it, 2000 years? of cosntant warfare, is pretty cool.

and as for oldways, being an asshole, fuckign up other people's shit, that's an old way, and one of the root old ways. try changing that.

1.  You have anything BETTER to do?

2.  Optimist.  Things aren't going to get better, they're going to get worse.

3.  That's okay.  America, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa have picked up the slack.  War is a business, and profits are - as always - up.

4.  The problem isn't fucked up shit, it's whose shit is being fucked.  I'm just trying to redirect the fucking up of shit.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: horab
teh cure will be worse than the disease, but it's still no excuse for not takign responsibility for owb actions. you know why jesus failed? because everybody's too afraid to to treat others how they wanna be treated. try it sometime. it'll make you feel good about yourself, about the world around you.

Jesus failed because humans are domesticated primates, that act in certain hard-wired ways when confronted with varying stimuli.

Freaks and mutants like Jesus, of course, receive violent treatment because they are different.  I am also different, though a different-different, so to speak, but I will not let the monkeys have their way with me without a fight.  Given that, why should I give them the first move?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2005, 08:06:46 PM
1. Well, there are better things than clogging up a toilet.  That is humour at its lowest form.  Instead, leave enlightening Erisian graffiti on the bathroom walls.  Don't make enemies out of your enemies.  That only makes things worse.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 26, 2005, 08:08:16 PM
so by fucking with poor working class slobs, you'r redirecting that shit effectively eh? nice.

things'll get worse before they get better. pre world wars was worse than today, and it got alot worse and then it got a little better. that's the tune of human histry, takign two steps back to take half a step forward.

people are people roger, makign their way the best they can.

if you want to set yourself up as soemthing superior to that in your head, go ahead. you wanna fuck with th edumb monkeys, go ahead. it's your concience. it's your weight to carry.

but then again, that would mean taking responsibility for yourself, wouldn't it?

so go ahead, behave just like millions of teenaged americans, who wreck people's shit and video tape it for fun.  they're your people roger, and they elected george dubya bush, who is also your people.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:09:14 PM
Quote from: Zemon1. Well, there are better things than clogging up a toilet.  That is humour at its lowest form.  Instead, leave enlightening Erisian graffiti on the bathroom walls.

There is a time and a place for all levels of humor.

Stopping up a toilet is okay.

Bumper-stickering police cruisers ("Obey") is okay.

Crank-calling politicians with pre-paid cellular phones is also okay.

TGRR,
Believes you need variety in your jakery.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on February 26, 2005, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomThe word was BALANCE.
I don't like balance.  I like everything all topsy-turvy.
TGRR,
Bets you didn't know that.
You'd absolutely lose that bet, Rog.
I love balance.
It keeps me almost sane.
Look at the world around you.  Taken as individuals, most of the leaders, and the population, are sane.
Tell me sanity is working.
TGRR,
Knows it isn't.  Destroy the old ways.
The people who pretend to be 'sane' that are screwing things up really aren't.  They do certain things that are socially acceptable, so acceptable society calls them sane.  I strive for balance in my own life, I enjoy upsetting the balance in other people's lives.  THOSE people, the ones who acceptable society thinks of as sane.  Those people sometimes have the worst demons, because they assume having demons is a bad thing.  We all have them and you can call them whatever you want, character defects, character flaws, behavior problems, attitude problems, anger management issues.  I would say most of the people who post here(and gnomes and bunnies and kitties and zombies and whomever else I missed) are pretty sane.  Mostly, because we all use this forum to vent.  The worst thing you can do, the most insane, the thing that is worst for your mental health, is to hold all that stuff in and pretend nothing is ever wrong.

And once again, I am all for cookies and pies and flirting and fun.  I agree that messing things up in the physical world has its place, but I prefer to fuck with people's heads, it is my area.  I have a talent for picking the one thing that will piss someone off.  It is an inate ability, which I have used, to some extent, on this forum, sometimes intentionally, but mostly unintentionally.  I also seem to be able to pick the one thing that people need to most look at and that they most turn a blind eye to.  Ditto the above.  I pull the blinders off, people scream, I offer them cookies and pie, then they feel better while they are assimilating the new information they have recognised was always there.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 08:12:13 PM
:roll:

Be as big of an asshole as you like, Rog. Just don't call it Discordianism. The Principia wasn't a manual on Assholery, and you know it.

The "order of the day" is to be an asshole. So I see NOT being an asshole as subverting that order. YMMV, but before you go(and you did say you were leaving) please fuck yourself.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: horabso by fucking with poor working class slobs, you'r redirecting that shit effectively eh? nice.

things'll get worse before they get better. pre world wars was worse than today, and it got alot worse and then it got a little better. that's the tune of human histry, takign two steps back to take half a step forward.

people are people roger, makign their way the best they can.

if you want to set yourself up as soemthing superior to that in your head, go ahead. you wanna fuck with th edumb monkeys, go ahead. it's your concience. it's your weight to carry.

but then again, that would mean taking responsibility for yourself, wouldn't it?

so go ahead, behave just like millions of teenaged americans, who wreck people's shit and video tape it for fun.  they're your people roger, and they elected george dubya bush, who is also your people.

Yes, they are my people.  That's an ugly thought, but, hey...who am I to abandon them in their hour of need?

As for jaking the toilets, and being so cruel to the blue collar tards, consider two things:

1.  The first response to this thread.

2.  Who do you think helped vote "my people" in?  For the first time since the 1950s, it is Joe Average that deserves everything he gets.  I am only delivering what they are begging for.

What do YOU propose, Horab?  You think a few "pope cards" are going to save the world?  Not likely.  Fact is, the world doesn't want to be saved, which is fortunate, because they won't be.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: eldora_avalon

The people who pretend to be 'sane' that are screwing things up really aren't.  They do certain things that are socially acceptable, so acceptable society calls them sane.

Um, that IS the definition of sanity.  Book-wise, anyhow.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:16:05 PM
Quote from: agent compassion:roll:

Be as big of an asshole as you like, Rog. Just don't call it Discordianism. The Principia wasn't a manual on Assholery, and you know it.

The "order of the day" is to be an asshole. So I see NOT being an asshole as subverting that order. YMMV, but before you go(and you did say you were leaving) please fuck yourself.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 8)

1.  I'll call it whatever I please.

2.  If I could fuck myself, I wouldn't be on the internet right now.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2005, 08:17:15 PM
"Without hope, there can be no life." -the book of Eris.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: Zemon"Without hope, there can be no life." -the book of Eris.

"Without the perfect cheeseburger, you cannot have Slack." - The Book of the Subgenius.

"You cannot find the perfect cheeseburger without Slack." - The Book of the Subgenius.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 26, 2005, 08:23:09 PM
"No cheese on Thursdays." -The Book of Monkeys for Cleaner Assholes.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 08:23:42 PM
:roll:  Fucking Subgenii...it's like watching a toddler try to open a milk carton...
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:24:47 PM
Quote from: Zemon"No cheese on Thursdays." -The Book of Monkeys for Cleaner Assholes.

"You can finally console yourself that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - National Lampoon's Radio Dinner.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:26:43 PM
Quote from: agent compassion:roll:  Fucking Subgenii...it's like watching a toddler try to open a milk carton...

True.  We are an inferior religion, and should be wiped out.

Why do you think we always ask people to kill us?  It's dispair, at our inferiority with respect to the exalted orthodox Discordians, I tell ya!

TGRR,
Will get this fucking carton open, or DIE TRYING!
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2005, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: agent compassion:roll:  Fucking Subgenii...

I can say from personal experience not the best of ideas.... :shock:
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: Kensei
Quote from: agent compassion:roll:  Fucking Subgenii...

I can say from personal experience not the best of ideas.... :shock:

Why?  You don't like prairie squid, and BIG, RED STRAPS?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on February 26, 2005, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: eldora_avalon

The people who pretend to be 'sane' that are screwing things up really aren't.  They do certain things that are socially acceptable, so acceptable society calls them sane.

Um, that IS the definition of sanity.  Book-wise, anyhow.
Nope, book wise, if you are fucked in the head and behave like you aren't, you are still fucked in the head.  It is the average Joe that listens to these morons that thinks appearances are everything.  The poor saps who listen to GWB brag about what a great xian he is, then believe him, just because he says so.  I like pulling the blinders off those kinds of people.  They scream the loudest, when they finally see.

Also keep in mind the things people say about some criminals, the ones we can readilly believe are insane.  It seems like everytime a serial killer is found, his neighbors always say he seemed so nice and quiet.

And on a completely different but related note, I heard some 'professional' claim that GWB is on a dry drunk, that ugly place where an alcoholic or drug addict leaves the substance abuse behind, but never deals with the underlying emotional issues, leaving a person just as fucked up and dangerous.  If someone wants the link, google it.  I think I have the flu and I am going to take a nap.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2005, 08:49:55 PM
I think I know what you are saying with that last paragraph and it sounds about right.  Remember all those rumours about his health during election time?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: eldora_avalon

They scream the loudest, when they finally see.

Also keep in mind the things people say about some criminals, the ones we can readilly believe are insane.  It seems like everytime a serial killer is found, his neighbors always say he seemed so nice and quiet.

1.  "There are none so blind, as they who have no eyes" - Philo the Essene.

2.  Then you know that *I* am safe, anyway. :lol:

TGRR,
Doesn't trust the quite ones, either.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 26, 2005, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: agent compassionJust don't call it Discordianism. The Principia wasn't a manual on Assholery, and you know it.

The Principia is also not a manual on Discordianism, though I'm sure you know that...it is useful strictly as asswipe, and even for that it's a little harsh on the old sphincter...wait...if the PD is only useful for wiping your ass, does that not, in fact, make it a manual on Assholery?

anyway...the Principia Discordia has about as much relevance to Discordianism as the King James Bible has to Christianity, IMHO...

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 09:46:13 PM
It's still got more relevance than Roger's bullshit.

If I wanted to join a religion that sanctified Assholery, I'd become a Fundamentalist Christian.

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 26, 2005, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: eldora_avalon
Nope, book wise, if you are fucked in the head and behave like you aren't, you are still fucked in the head.

everyone is fucked in the head...those who act like they're not fucked in the head are just WAY more fucked in the head than those of use who are just a "normal" amount of fucked in the head...

 
Quote from: eldora_avalonAlso keep in mind the things people say about some criminals, the ones we can readily believe are insane.  It seems like everytime a serial killer is found, his neighbors always say he seemed so nice and quiet.

have you ever considered the possibility that serial killers are not only not insane, but probably the sanest of any of us? I mean, how to go through day to day life in this day and age in this place surrounded by these people and not kill every living motherfucker that looks at you funny is a bit beyond me...

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: agent compassionIt's still got more relevance than Roger's bullshit.
8)

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Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: McStab

have you ever considered the possibility that serial killers are not only not insane, but probably the sanest of any of us? I mean, how to go through day to day life in this day and age in this place surrounded by these people and not kill every living motherfucker that looks at you funny is a bit beyond me...

8)

It's not easy, having a good time...
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2005, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: McStab

have you ever considered the possibility that serial killers are not only not insane, but probably the sanest of any of us? I mean, how to go through day to day life in this day and age in this place surrounded by these people and not kill every living motherfucker that looks at you funny is a bit beyond me...

8)

Reminds me of old Terry Pratchett and what he said in one of his recent books, Night Watch.  I'll have to do it from memory, but it was pretty similar

"and Vimes realized men like Carcer weren't insane.  They looked around the world and realized they weren't fooled by all the little stories.  They realized the rules didnt have to apply to them, if they didnt want to.  hey willingly shook hands with the Beast".

Carcer is a mass muderer who kills people just to see what happens, in case you didnt know.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Hoshiko on February 26, 2005, 10:07:05 PM
To me it boils down to a simple concept:

Clog a toilet and you leave a very unhappy janitor and not much else.

Change people's minds and you have something lasting.

I'm in this for the entertainment too, but I'm not entertained by shit on the floor. I'm more entertained by convincing that janitor to use his opportunities to create a more lasting chaos.

How do I know that's possible? Because I used to be that janitor.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 10:09:02 PM
Quote from: HoshikoTo me it boils down to a simple concept:

Clog a toilet and you leave a very unhappy janitor and not much else.


Not true.  If you time it right, you get a lot of Merehumes(TM) running about with their knees together.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Hoshiko on February 26, 2005, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: HoshikoTo me it boils down to a simple concept:

Clog a toilet and you leave a very unhappy janitor and not much else.


Not true.  If you time it right, you get a lot of Merehumes(TM) running about with their knees together.

Not true. Let me tell you a story...

When DemonSeed and I were mere teenagers, we managed to land a job under the table from a family friend. This friend payed us to clean his bowling alley at night, when everyone else had left. I can't tell you how often we cleaned up crap with no second thought. People always clog the toilets, not really a big deal. They just use another bathroom. We cleaned it for about a year, becoming more and more frustrated with trying hard to do our best with inferior equiptment and a shitty boss. We finally started to get fed up.

A friend of ours was very anti-rules. He started helping us clean this bowling alley for a part-time job, and we would all go there every night after it closed down and blast the music, clean, and then spend the rest of the night playing pool and basically goofing off.

And then someone started peeing on the floor and not cleaning it up. It happened every single day, and every single night we would have to clean up this person's piss. Then they moved on to occasionaly defacating wherever they wanted to, and making a general mess. We couldn't figure out who was doing it, and trying to get our boss to help us find out did no good.

One day we had to clean in the early morning instead of at night, and we found out who was peeing and messing things up. It was our boss.

We were really and truly angry. This man didn't pay us enough because he didn't have to, us being kids and all. And he gradually got so bitchy that he was making us pay for our nightly pool game and sodas. We once found over $4000 in the trashcan instead of the safe, and we turned it in only to get bitched at for calling him late.

So, with the help of our anti-rules and generally discordian friend, we started doing whatever the hell we wanted. We would play pool and invite all of our friends. We would eat the snack bar food. We would put "Do Not Defecate in the Restrooms!" signs up in the stalls. We would put cryptic sings and "chair broken" signs on half of the equiptment. We would get the high scores for the pinball games, and put in "DB sucks! (the boss)" in the ones that would let us. We had a food fight and didn't clean up the stuff that fell on top of the cupboards. We had punk swing dancing competitions. We hid all the ashtrays in the smoking room. We switched around all of the balls. We changed the levels on the sound equiptment, and we left the intercom system jammed on. On one memorable occasion we had a rave with the blacklights and sound.

We kept doing that for 2 years. Not enough to get us caught, just enough to confuse the hell out of the lesser employees and customers. It was a blast.

That friend of ours saw an opportunity, and he showed us how to utilize it beyond clogged toilets, without hurting anybody. He could have just taken the $4000 and ran with it, but he wasn't about profit or destruction. They closed that place down after we quit, but I still think of it fondly, and it changed the way I thought about authority, which leaves me free to change someone else's mind.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 10:42:31 PM
Very nice.  Very nice, indeed.  I especially liked the "out of order" signs.

But your friend should have done something more creative with the money.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Hoshiko on February 26, 2005, 10:44:19 PM
But that would have gotten us caught. The money bought us trust, which is more important than money in a situation like that.

And I forgot to add, that friend quit after a short period of time. The job let us hire a revolving door of friends, and we had about 10 different people helping us through the entirety of it, all at different times. I'd like to think it influenced them in some ways too.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2005, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: HoshikoBut that would have gotten us caught. The money bought us trust, which is more important than money in a situation like that.

I didn't say TAKE IT, I said be more creative with it.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on February 26, 2005, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: Se?±or Limpio
Quote from: agent compassionJust don't call it Discordianism. The Principia wasn't a manual on Assholery, and you know it.

The Principia is also not a manual on Discordianism, though I'm sure you know that...it is useful strictly as asswipe, and even for that it's a little harsh on the old sphincter...wait...if the PD is only useful for wiping your ass, does that not, in fact, make it a manual on Assholery?

anyway...the Principia Discordia has about as much relevance to Discordianism as the King James Bible has to Christianity, IMHO...

8)
Look at the top of this page, this is a forum for the Prinicpia Discordia. :roll:  If you would like to talk about another book, why don't you go bother someone else.  And the KJ version of the bible is still used in churches, so I am really not sure what point you were trying to make :?
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 26, 2005, 11:46:26 PM
you're either playing dumb, or you are dumb, and I don't think you are dumb....

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 11:48:22 PM
:roll:  All this fighting about the board is ruining it for me. Let me tell you. I come to this board to GET AWAY FROM THAT SHIT. And you boys just keep tracking it on in....Discordians are plenty serious when it COUNTS, you know that, and you know that the little sliver of us that you see here online isn't the whole picture, yet you persist in your judgementalism...well, you can fight amongst yourselves. I'm out. Fuck it. Once again a happy place has been soured by egotism and stupidity. GOOD DAY TO YOU!
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/traurig/sad-smiley-001.gif)
::throws all her things into a suitcase and stomps dramatically out the door, slamming it shut behind her::


see you tomorrow...
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 26, 2005, 11:52:07 PM
ta ta! see you tomorrow!

:lol:
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 26, 2005, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: Senor CommieStab McGoatTurdyPants Macoutsta ta! see you tomorrow!

Laughing

Hehe...probably sooner, I was just gonna run to the grocery store to get my pills... 8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 26, 2005, 11:59:47 PM
ooh...anything good? I prefer uppers...

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: gnimbley on February 27, 2005, 01:25:26 AM
Hmmm....

Well, after several thousand years, some of us are back to where
the long debate all began, at the Temple of Delphi, with its two
saying: "Know yourself" and "Nothing in Excess." Some progress, huh?

Yet, that is probably where we should be, yes? Even those who would
tear civilization down dream of it being rebuilt. Right this time. Their
way.

If you want to go back to where it all went wrong, let me give you
a candidate.

Agriculture.

When man decided to start organizing, he started creating bosses.
Anthropolical digs of human societies before agriculture show an amazing
equality among artifacts. Everybody had the same size hut.

After agriculture came along, all the huts got worse, except one.

The boss.

And the evidence suggests that the average human's diet got worse.

Except one.

The boss.

So you see, even Roger's plans are inadequate. Turd would only stir
the pot. George W. is no different; he's just switching around the
deck chairs.

Malthus didn't lie, kiddies. We started down this path thousands
of years ago; now we are addicted; now we can't turn back.

To turn back means we have to kill off billions just to get back to a
sustainable society with equality. Not even Dick Cheney is thinking that
big.

The earth is doomed.

You may now all go back to recess.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 27, 2005, 01:29:35 AM
not to sound overly grandiose, but I WAS thinking that big...

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: fluffy on February 27, 2005, 01:34:46 AM

phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gnomes are full of shit

so are limpios and reverends

phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 27, 2005, 01:35:44 AM
Quote from: agent compassion:roll:  All this fighting about the board is ruining it for me. Let me tell you. I come to this board to GET AWAY FROM THAT SHIT. And you boys just keep tracking it on in....Discordians are plenty serious when it COUNTS, you know that, and you know that the little sliver of us that you see here online isn't the whole picture, yet you persist in your judgementalism...well, you can fight amongst yourselves. I'm out. Fuck it. Once again a happy place has been soured by egotism and stupidity. GOOD DAY TO YOU!
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/traurig/sad-smiley-001.gif)
::throws all her things into a suitcase and stomps dramatically out the door, slamming it shut behind her::


see you tomorrow...

it's always been fighting here. seems people don't like to admit they like to goof off and have fun, or that any of it is relevant to discordianism. i think it's very relevant. but it's yourown trip. then again where that trip intercedes with mine a bit of respect would be nice. i can take a freindly ribbing and i liek to dish out that freindly ribbing as well. it's not meant o be hurtful, but there's been soem coarse negativity round lately, and it bothers me.

a discordian canbe an asshole, an asshole can be a discordian. it doesn't make assholism dsicordian. not accepting the fact there's a war is nto discordianism. realizing mankind can be awfulyl hateful is not necessarily disocrdianism. sure it all relates, it all contributes. but is that the sum of our rants and articles? is trickign ppl what it's all about?

soemoen want to do some funky mindfucks, well you'll have to talk to me directly. i've thrown ideas out there, tho i dunno how many ppl got em or used em. but i can't be arsed to do it on my own, r volunteer. i am as much a taoist as i am a discordian, and we don't liek to do anything cept chillax
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 27, 2005, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: fluffy
phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gnomes are full of shit

so are limpios and reverends

phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet, I am OK then.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: fluffy on February 27, 2005, 01:39:23 AM

no, i just haven't figured out what you are yet
but i am sure it is full of shit too
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 27, 2005, 01:40:51 AM
i'm totally full of shit myself.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Cain on February 27, 2005, 01:41:16 AM
Quote from: fluffy
no, i just haven't figured out what you are yet
but i am sure it is full of shit too

I prefer crap. :roll:
Title: am i confused?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 27, 2005, 01:56:02 AM
Quote from: horabit's always been fighting here. seems people don't like to admit they like to goof off and have fun, or that any of it is relevant to discordianism. i think it's very relevant.

I couldn't agree more, actually...much of my recent vitriol stems from the fear that if we don't stop and get serious for a while now, that we won't be able to goof off and have fun anymore ever...

8)
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2005, 02:09:34 AM
Quote from: Se?±or Limpio
Quote from: horabit's always been fighting here. seems people don't like to admit they like to goof off and have fun, or that any of it is relevant to discordianism. i think it's very relevant.

I couldn't agree more, actually...much of my recent vitriol stems from the fear that if we don't stop and get serious for a while now, that we won't be able to goof off and have fun anymore ever...

8)
That's what I was talking about in the colour gray thread, but I quit worrying about it too much.  It's all about balance, whether it be balance of seriousness and humour, chaos and order, or balance and unbalance.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on February 27, 2005, 02:20:22 AM
Quote from: Zemon
Quote from: Se?±or Limpio
Quote from: horabit's always been fighting here. seems people don't like to admit they like to goof off and have fun, or that any of it is relevant to discordianism. i think it's very relevant.

I couldn't agree more, actually...much of my recent vitriol stems from the fear that if we don't stop and get serious for a while now, that we won't be able to goof off and have fun anymore ever...

8)
That's what I was talking about in the colour gray thread, but I quit worrying about it too much.  It's all about balance, whether it be balance of seriousness and humour, chaos and order, or balance and unbalance.

there's also positive and negative and evil and good, or up and down....
that's the bicycle to teh tricycle you stated there.

i reckon discordianism is, or one aspect there of is dynamic thinking. thinking outside of the soccerball.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: Ben on February 27, 2005, 02:28:04 AM
Don't forget donuts and holes.  Trees and machines.  Bushes and Christs.
Title: am i confused?
Post by: agent compassion on February 27, 2005, 03:49:27 AM
Quote from: Senor Tontons Communist GoatTurd LimpStabbyBastard McFergusonooh...anything good? I prefer uppers...

Cool

Nah, just Synthroid and Prilosec...
Title: am i confused?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 27, 2005, 07:17:34 AM
Quote from: fluffy
phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gnomes are full of shit

so are limpios and reverends

phhfffftttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duh.