Poll
Question:
Which is stupider
Option 1: Reagan: "I don't recall" Iran-Contra hearings
votes: 0
Option 2: Nixon: "I am not a crook" upon resignation
votes: 0
Option 3: Clinton: "I did not have sexual realtions with that woman" Grand Jury Inquiry
votes: 0
Option 4: George W Bush: "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."
votes: 6
Option 5: George W Bush: "You're free. And freedom is beautiful. And, you know, it'll take time to restore chaos and order—order out of chaos. But we will."
votes: 2
Option 6: George W Bush: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
votes: 7
Option 7: John F Kennedy: "Ich Bin Ein Berliner"
votes: 4
Option 8: Jimmy Carter: "I've committed adultery in my heart many times" PlayBoy interview
votes: 0
I am tired of bickering amongst ourselves. Let's make fun of some presidents instead :twisted:
"A fool and his money are soon elected." -- Will Rogers.
"It's easy being a humorist when you've got the whole government working for you." -- Will Rogers.
"Revolution is a trivial shift in the emphasis of suffering." -- Tom Stoppard.
America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual intervention of civilization. -- George Clemenceau
America's one of the finest countries anyone ever stole. -- Bobcat Goldthwait
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -- General George Patton
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"When I was a boy, I was told that anyone can be president. I'm starting to believe it."
- Will Rogers
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why's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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VoT? Izzat YOU?
Clinton? He made us RICH. I like living in a rich ass country.
seriously...put the party politics aside for a second, and look at his record (not the criminal one)...he was actually one of hte most centrist republican presidents of that century, and his accomplishments in the global/foreign policy arena are second to none...and really, every president does the stuff that he got caught for, he just hired incompetent loudmouths as his B&E guys...
BTW, I'm very liberal when it comes to domestic policy, and even I know that blindly parroting a party line instead of actually examining the issues at hand and a particular politician's stance on said issues just makes you look foolish. There are liberals with whom I disagree with violently, and conservatards who I think generally have a clue. I mean, if Zell Miller and John McCain were running against each other for president, would you really vote for Zell Miller just because he's a democrat, even though he's a flaming retard? For that matter, suppose John McCain and Hillary Clinton end up running against each other in '08...would people actually vote for that slimy shitbag just because she's a liberal, and ignore the fact that she's one of the biggest crooks that's ever held public office? I fear they would, but I'd like to think that people who frequent this place are a little smarter and more enlightened than that...
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this last part really isn't directed at you, GitM, it just sort of turned itself into a mini-rant before I could close it out...
Quote from: Big Cat FelixClinton? He made us RICH. I like living in a rich ass country.
what?
the only people that Bill CLinton made rich were himself, his shitbag wife, and anyone who partnered with him in any of his uber-shady land deals...
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodI mean, if Zell Miller and John McCain were running against each other for president, would you really vote for Zell Miller just because he's a democrat, even though he's a flaming retard? For that matter, suppose John McCain and Hillary Clinton end up running against each other in '08...would people actually vote for that slimy shitbag just because she's a liberal, and ignore the fact that she's one of the biggest crooks that's ever held public office? I fear they would, but I'd like to think that people who frequent this place are a little smarter and more enlightened than that...
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this last part really isn't directed at you, GitM, it just sort of turned itself into a mini-rant before I could close it out...
Zell Miller isn't a Democrat.
I understand why you would think that, but check again. He may be a conservatard lackey, but he's still the democrat senator from Georgia...
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodI understand why you would think that, but check again. He may be a conservatard lackey, but he's still the democrat senator from Georgia...
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I don't care if he's secretly Hillary Clinton. He's a DINO. The last of the Dixiecrats.
As for the above rant of yours, how does that excuse The Dick Cheney?
He hasn't a single redeeming feature. Not one.
who said anything about Cheney? he's as big a shitbag slimeball as ever walked, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he didn't have Vince Foster murdered to keep him quite about the Whitewater deal.
what I'm saying is, Zell Miller is an irrelevant dinosaur, but Hillary oughtta scare the shit out of everyone in this country.
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Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodI understand why you would think that, but check again. He may be a conservatard lackey, but he's still the democrat senator from Georgia...
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I don't care if he's secretly Hillary Clinton. He's a DINO. The last of the Dixiecrats.
As for the above rant of yours, how does that excuse The Dick Cheney?
He hasn't a single redeeming feature. Not one.
He'll die of a heart attack, hopefully sooner than it takes him to kill this country.
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwho said anything about Cheney? he's as big a shitbag slimeball as ever walked, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he didn't have Vince Foster murdered to keep him quite about the Whitewater deal.
what I'm saying is, Zell Miller is an irrelevant dinosaur, but Hillary oughtta scare the shit out of everyone in this country.
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Vince Foster? :lol: Perhaps you need some more tinfoil for your hat.
All Dick Cheney did is help start a war.
Why should Hillary scare me? Is she going to pretend that a nation has WMDs, and then send our kids over to be killed for nothing? Or will she restrict our 4th amendment rights? Or eliminate the social safety net?
When did you turn into VoT?
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwho said anything about Cheney? he's as big a shitbag slimeball as ever walked, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he didn't have Vince Foster murdered to keep him quite about the Whitewater deal.
what I'm saying is, Zell Miller is an irrelevant dinosaur, but Hillary oughtta scare the shit out of everyone in this country.
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You gotta be kidding me.... You bought into that?
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Big Cat FelixClinton? He made us RICH. I like living in a rich ass country.
what?
the only people that Bill CLinton made rich were himself, his shitbag wife, and anyone who partnered with him in any of his uber-shady land deals...
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Jesus Christ. You've forgotten the 90s, already?
I mean, except for the Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter version.
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwho said anything about Cheney? he's as big a shitbag slimeball as ever walked, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he didn't have Vince Foster murdered to keep him quite about the Whitewater deal.
what I'm saying is, Zell Miller is an irrelevant dinosaur, but Hillary oughtta scare the shit out of everyone in this country.
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You gotta be kidding me.... You bought into that?
Surprised me, too. He seemed so intelligent.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Big Cat FelixClinton? He made us RICH. I like living in a rich ass country.
what?
the only people that Bill CLinton made rich were himself, his shitbag wife, and anyone who partnered with him in any of his uber-shady land deals...
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Jesus Christ. You've forgotten the 90s, already?
I mean, except for the Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter version.
of course not...hell, I lived in Seattle that whole decade...I saw kids I went to high school with become overnight millionaires off of their stock options...of course, a few years later I saw them get ther condos and Jaguars repo'd once those stocks became worthless...anyway, to give Bill Clinton the credit for the wealth created during the 90's tech boom would be like giving Teddy Roosevelt credit for the mass production and distribution of the automobile...just cuz it happened while he was in charge doesn't mean he had
anything to do with it...
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Big Cat FelixClinton? He made us RICH. I like living in a rich ass country.
what?
the only people that Bill CLinton made rich were himself, his shitbag wife, and anyone who partnered with him in any of his uber-shady land deals...
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Jesus Christ. You've forgotten the 90s, already?
I mean, except for the Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter version.
of course not...hell, I lived in Seattle that whole decade...I saw kids I went to high school with become overnight millionaires off of their stock options...of course, a few years later I saw them get ther condos and Jaguars repo'd once those stocks became worthless...anyway, to give Bill Clinton the credit for the wealth created during the 90's tech boom would be like giving Teddy Roosevelt credit for the mass production and distribution of the automobile...just cuz it happened while he was in charge doesn't mean he had anything to do with it...
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You can't be this naive. The boom of the 90s was primarily felt at the working-class level. Why do I give a shit about some 22 year old going boom and then bust? I'm talking employment levels, median income, and standard of living.
As far as the president having "nothing to do with it", I suggest you spend more time looking into the economic initiatives that laid the groundwork (infrastructure, etc), and less time looking into the pages of the
National Review..
I hope to God you're trolling.
Bathory's Misanthropy knows no bounds!
The last good pres we had was FDR and that was 70 years ago. Hopefully this will change soon.
I still think Feingold/McCain 2008.
~Yurito Sakari~
The Hopeful Wannabe Buddhist Monk
you guys never cease to amaze me...I attack a pseudo-liberal "centrist" shitbag sleazeball carpetbagging potential presidential candidate, and I defend Nixon's foreign policy record, and the most intelligent thing you can think of to say is to call me VoT? come on...you all know better than that anyway, and frankly, I find your inability to put aside party politics and deal directly with the issues and people involved a little sad...I didn't realize that liberals were automatically paragons of virtue and conservatives were automatically the devil incarnate...but then, I prefer to base my political opinions and decisions on the facts at hand and not some broad, overreaching label that is frequently misapplied by lazy journalists and opportunistic campaign managers...
basically, I thought we were supposed to be the ones who weren't the sheep.
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Baaabaaaa!
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Sorry about that, Bath.
So, you're saying Hillary is a opportunist crook.... Unlike all the other potential nominees...
I guess I don't see why your vitriol is so specific in this case.
Bah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I don't really have much hope in a cannidate who didn't figure out her husband had oral sex with another woman in the white house until he proclaimed it on television. Sounds a little blind to me. Just sayin'.
~Yurito Sakari~
The Wannabe Buddhist Monk
I do agree with Turd McFerguson Stabby Bath Pants, Nixon did a lot with foreign relations. Whether it will end up being an actual good thing or whether his motives were good or whether good is a definable term are all up for debate.
Hillary Clinton's biggest problem, IMHO, is that she did overtly what many first ladies did covertly. It should be pretty obvious that Bill didn't fall in love with her for her body, she is smart. I don't think she is as crooked as some, but neither do I think she has never done anything wrong.
Quote from: AnonymousI don't really have much hope in a cannidate who didn't figure out her husband had oral sex with another woman in the white house until he proclaimed it on television. Sounds a little blind to me. Just sayin'.
~Yurito Sakari~
The Wannabe Buddhist Monk
She did, but her political ambitions overruled such things.
I still can't respect a woman who would stay with such a ass. Wholy Chao, I mean, he fucking got fetallio in the oval office from 1+ females. WTF was she thinking? I would have dropped him like that for such a thing, especially when he lied about it then took it back and said he did it on television later!
WTF indeed.
Quote from: AnonymousI still can't respect a woman who would stay with such a ass. Wholy Chao, I mean, he fucking got fetallio in the oval office from 1+ females. WTF was she thinking? I would have dropped him like that for such a thing, especially when he lied about it then took it back and said he did it on television later!
WTF indeed.
So would I, there is no way in hell I would put up with that crap, but I am not married to a politician and I have no political amibitions myself. That has to influence a lot of her decisions. Why people do or do not stay married is none of my business just as my marriage is none of theirs.
Quote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
Quote from: AnonymousI don't really have much hope in a cannidate who didn't figure out her husband had oral sex with another woman in the white house until he proclaimed it on television. Sounds a little blind to me. Just sayin'.
~Yurito Sakari~
The Wannabe Buddhist Monk
What makes you think that she didn't know?
What makes that our business? I vote for people based on their politics, not their peccadilos.
Fuck it, it's hopeless. When even discordians start sucking Bush's cock, it's all over.
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Quote from: AnonymousI still can't respect a woman who would stay with such a ass.
She probably loses sleep over your opinion.
Quote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Subverting the democratic process, Kent State, his interesting anti-Semetic conversations with Billy Graham in the oval office, enthusiastic participation in HUAC, etc.
He was a monster. I hope they remembered to put a stake through his heart before they buried him.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
the problem with your logic is the assumption that the Dems
are better than the Conservatards...but why would you make that assumption? they're bought and paid for by the same people...they just couch their agenda in terms you find more palatable, but really they're all the same, and that was kinda my point when people started attacking me for defending Nixon while shitting on Hillary...and truth is, Hillary is about as crooked as they come, more so than even many of the GOP crooks...what I'm trying ot say is that basing your opinion of a politician on whether a (D) or an (R) appears next to their name is just stupid...your opinions should be based on the actions and voting record of that particular individual, because ideologically, there is just as much difference within the parties as there is between them...blindly parroting the party line, whichever party it happens to be, just lowers you to the level of all the other couch-bound, reality TV-addicted, McShitburger-engorged Sheeple who get their informed opinions from 30-second soundbites...
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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
Aren't you the one that wants to tear everything down?
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
Aren't you the one that wants to tear everything down?
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
Face it: you get two choices - that may seem very similar, but not identical.
YOU choose, Gnome. You really think the Dems are as anti-freedom as is the GOP?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Subverting the democratic process, Kent State, his interesting anti-Semetic conversations with Billy Graham in the oval office, enthusiastic participation in HUAC, etc.
He was a monster. I hope they remembered to put a stake through his heart before they buried him.
we're not talking about his beliefs, his intentions, or his motives...we're speaking strictly of
what he accomplished while in office. C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
the problem with your logic is the assumption that the Dems are better than the Conservatards...but why would you make that assumption?
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One sent my friend to Iraq. One didn't. Do the math.
Again, bad vs worse. You choose.
A punch in the nuts, or a baseball bat to the nuts. You choose.
...That is, if you can stop trying to look all sophisticated and jaded long enough to decide.
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
the problem with your logic is the assumption that the Dems are better than the Conservatards...but why would you make that assumption? they're bought and paid for by the same people...they just couch their agenda in terms you find more palatable, but really they're all the same, and that was kinda my point when people started attacking me for defending Nixon while shitting on Hillary...and truth is, Hillary is about as crooked as they come, more so than even many of the GOP crooks...what I'm trying ot say is that basing your opinion of a politician on whether a (D) or an (R) appears next to their name is just stupid...your opinions should be based on the actions and voting record of that particular individual, because ideologically, there is just as much difference within the parties as there is between them...blindly parroting the party line, whichever party it happens to be, just lowers you to the level of all the other couch-bound, reality TV-addicted, McShitburger-engorged Sheeple who get their informed opinions from 30-second soundbites...
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They are not bought and paid for by the same people. They are bought
and paid for by different divisions of the same people. They get their
payoffs from different corporate entities. That makes all the difference.
I am certainly glad we have voting records to tell us which politician
is telling us what we want to hear so we can vote for the one that
reads the focus group data that most closely matches our current
parroting of political slogans we have most recently assimulated.
I do not vote for people based on whether or not they have a (D) or a
(R) after their name. I vote for the one with the most attractive avatar!
That's why I voted for Bella!
And I don't get my informed opinions from 30 second soundbites. I
demand nothing less than 38 second soundbites!
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Subverting the democratic process, Kent State, his interesting anti-Semetic conversations with Billy Graham in the oval office, enthusiastic participation in HUAC, etc.
He was a monster. I hope they remembered to put a stake through his heart before they buried him.
we're not talking about his beliefs, his intentions, or his motives...we're speaking strictly of what he accomplished while in office.
C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.
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1. Um, with the exception of HUAC, all the things I mentioned were WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE. Now, his environmental/OSHA record isn't too bad, but the China thing? Yeah, that worked out. :lol:
2. Fuck off. This conversation is over.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
Aren't you the one that wants to tear everything down?
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
Face it: you get two choices - that may seem very similar, but not identical.
YOU choose, Gnome. You really think the Dems are as anti-freedom as is the GOP?
Oh yeah, there are only two choices. ::slaps forehead:: I forgot. Damn.
I will have to rearrange my frontal lobes. Let's see. Black and white.
Bad and worse. Republican and democrat.
(I told you before, A
foolish consistency...)
Let me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have
withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
Quote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
8)
actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyBah humbug.
They are all opportunistic crooks. I find it hard to believe that you all
buy one brand of bullshit and reject the others. Bullshit smells the
same, and, yes, it makes the flowers grow. But only for the approved
flower vendors. The ones with the current license to exploit your ass.
I expected this from Turd, but...et tu, Gnome?
Let' just take a look at this: Dems bad, GOP worse.
Let's vote for worse, because bad isn't perfect. Okay.
Aren't you the one that wants to tear everything down?
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
Face it: you get two choices - that may seem very similar, but not identical.
YOU choose, Gnome. You really think the Dems are as anti-freedom as is the GOP?
Oh yeah, there are only two choices. ::slaps forehead:: I forgot. Damn.
I will have to rearrange my frontal lobes. Let's see. Black and white.
Bad and worse. Republican and democrat.
(I told you before, A foolish consistency...)
Let me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have
withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
I have no idea. Neither do you. I rather doubt he knows.
Kerry = probably would have fucked us.
Bush = IS fucking us.
Tough call, eh?
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Okay, I'm convinced.
Bush is a Godly man, and everything he does is okay, because the Dems aren't perfect.
TGRR,
May as well join 'em.
Quote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
How dare you criticize our wonderful president! He might be evil and crooked, but at least he isn't Hillary! She's not perfect, you know!
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
No, they didn't think they were doing wrong for the same reason that the Einsatzgruppen didn't think THEY were doing anything wrong.
... I know the guy who is personally responsible for Huntsville* forbidding its guards from wielding two batons at once. Apparently the footage of that is pretty spectacular, but I haven't lucked into that yet.
*Or whichever the fuck prison is in Houston. I'm too lazy to Google.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
No, they didn't think they were doing wrong for the same reason that the Einsatzgruppen didn't think THEY were doing anything wrong.
Its all OK, they had orders. Dont criticize them for being good little drones.
Quote from: ScribeQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
No, they didn't think they were doing wrong for the same reason that the Einsatzgruppen didn't think THEY were doing anything wrong.
Its all OK, they had orders. Dont criticize them for being good little drones.
I wouldn't DARE criticize them. I am all for it...I will follow Gnimbly, Turd, and Bush into a brave new world!
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
How dare you criticize our wonderful president! He might be evil and crooked, but at least he isn't Hillary! She's not perfect, you know!
Yeah, that pesky bitch, she wanted to make sure we all had Healthcare and that all of our children had enough to eat. And she tried to convince us that we are all responsible for the children, that chldren need to be taken care of. So her marriage ins't perfect, neither is mine, but it is closer to perfect than my parents was. Any of the 4 marriages between the 2 of them. For being Discordians or Erisians or whatever, there is a lot of judgmental crap floating around. Hey, Ghost in the Machine, can we get a clean up over here? Thanks, :roll:
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
How dare you criticize our wonderful president! He might be evil and crooked, but at least he isn't Hillary! She's not perfect, you know!
Yeah, that pesky bitch, she wanted to make sure we all had Healthcare and that all of our children had enough to eat. And she tried to convince us that we are all responsible for the children, that chldren need to be taken care of. So her marriage ins't perfect, neither is mine, but it is closer to perfect than my parents was.
She's not perfect. Ergo, we must all vote republican.
Get with it.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
No, they didn't think they were doing wrong for the same reason that the Einsatzgruppen didn't think THEY were doing anything wrong.
http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm
You would be amazed at what people will believe is OK when it comes from someone in a position of authority. And that is the top google for Milgram. They won't let him do his experiments any more. They stopped him after these. And the less flexibility you leave young people in deciding things, the less able they are to ever question authority figures, the more suscetible they are to this kind of pressure. "It must be OK because the sargeant, general, boss, whatever told me to do it." That's why I have a nice healthy fuck you attitude. Oh, yeah, remember these experiments happened in the
USA in the
1960's :shock:
I did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
I have said this before, but I will repeat it, If you are going to do something questionable, do NOT record it in any manner.
You've been talking to Hillary, haven't you?
Nope, but I do watch TV. One of my all time favorite shows was America's Dumbest Criminals. With video recording equipment so easy to get hold of, people are videotaping themselves doing all sorts of things. Abu Graib also comes to mind. Although, some of those Army Reserves may have been naive enough to believe they weren't doing anything wrong, or maybe it is because some of them were prison gaurds here in the States before being deployed.
No, they didn't think they were doing wrong for the same reason that the Einsatzgruppen didn't think THEY were doing anything wrong.
http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm
You would be amazed at what people will believe is OK when it comes from someone in a position of authority. And that is the top google for Milgram. They won't let him do his experiments any more. They stopped him after these. And the less flexibility you leave young people in deciding things, the less able they are to ever question authority figures, the more suscetible they are to this kind of pressure. "It must be OK because the sargeant, general, boss, whatever told me to do it." That's why I have a nice healthy fuck you attitude. Oh, yeah, remember these experiments happened in the USA in the 1960's :shock:
True. The Germans, as a people, are law-abiding folks for the most part, and wouldn't hurt a fly...unless someone in uniform tells them to.
In the USA, we have come to worship the "easy solution", combined with the John Wayne Syndrome ("Kick the living shit out of anything you don't understand").
It was only natural that these mouthbreathers from West Virginia would do what they did at Abu Graib.
Whoops...scratch that. The guards were only engaging in "frat pranks", and the war is a noble effort. Because the Dems aren't perfect.
Remember, kids...the greater evil is better, because the lesser evil failed to remain absolutely spotless.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
How dare you criticize our wonderful president! He might be evil and crooked, but at least he isn't Hillary! She's not perfect, you know!
Yeah, that pesky bitch, she wanted to make sure we all had Healthcare and that all of our children had enough to eat. And she tried to convince us that we are all responsible for the children, that chldren need to be taken care of. So her marriage ins't perfect, neither is mine, but it is closer to perfect than my parents was. Any of the 4 marriages between the 2 of them. For being Discordians or Erisians or whatever, there is a lot of judgmental crap floating around. Hey, Ghost in the Machine, can we get a clean up over here? Thanks, :roll:
I didn't like Hillary's healthcare plan because I didn't like going to jail
for visiting the wrong doctor, among other things.
And I don't like the idea of the state (village) brainwashing all the little
children. If they do that, they are all going to end up like Republican
Roger, the robot of assilumation. (Although, admitedly, I did not read
Hillary's book so I am just talking out my ass on that one. I figured
Tyson paid her enought she didn't need my money.)
Quote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
It would never work because - contrary to myth - Americans are no better, morally, than any other people. Fact is, many Americans WANT to hurt Iraqi "persons of interest", because they associate Iraq with 911. After all, both Saddam and OBL were suspiciously brown, and so are the people incarcerated in Abu Graib.
This is why there has been no serious call to punish the higher ups responsible (Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Bush, etc).
Quote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
I didn't mean to say it is an excuse, I am just saying it is in human nature. And those experiments have been done in other cultures. I forget the specifics, but the more rigid the social order, the less flexibility, the less you feel comfortable questioning people that are in authority positions over you, the more likely this sort of thing can happen. And a lot of people knew about Abu Graib. If there hadn't been pic's, it might still be kept quiet. And people in control do not want to find out what makes people say no, they want to keep the majority saying nothing...
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: gnimbleyLet me ask you a question, Roger. How many troops would Kerry have withdrawn from Iraq during his term of office?
That's hardly a fair question, whoever gets elected next is going to inherit this mess. It's like the proverb where you save someone's life, then you are responsible for it.
Bush never prepared for this part of the process. As far as I have been able to tell, no one did. That is one of the reasons it is such a disaster.
How dare you criticize our wonderful president! He might be evil and crooked, but at least he isn't Hillary! She's not perfect, you know!
Yeah, that pesky bitch, she wanted to make sure we all had Healthcare and that all of our children had enough to eat. And she tried to convince us that we are all responsible for the children, that chldren need to be taken care of. So her marriage ins't perfect, neither is mine, but it is closer to perfect than my parents was. Any of the 4 marriages between the 2 of them. For being Discordians or Erisians or whatever, there is a lot of judgmental crap floating around. Hey, Ghost in the Machine, can we get a clean up over here? Thanks, :roll:
I didn't like Hillary's healthcare plan because I didn't like going to jail
for visiting the wrong doctor, among other things.
And I don't like the idea of the state (village) brainwashing all the little
children. If they do that, they are all going to end up like Republican
Roger, the robot of assilumation. (Although, admitedly, I did not read
Hillary's book so I am just talking out my ass on that one. I figured
Tyson paid her enought she didn't need my money.)
True! The GOP has the best plan! "Don't get sick."
Not reading her book is no problem. Making decisions without seeing the subject at hand is the American Way.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
I didn't mean to say it is an excuse, I am just saying it is in human nature. And those experiments have been done in other cultures. I forget the specifics, but the more rigid the social order, the less flexibility, the less you feel comfortable questioning people that are in authority positions over you, the more likely this sort of thing can happen. And a lot of people knew about Abu Graib. If there hadn't been pic's, it might still be kept quiet. And people in control do not want to find out what makes people say no, they want to keep the majority saying nothing...
Did anyone mention that Clinton got a blowjob?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
It would never work because - contrary to myth - Americans are no better, morally, than any other people. Fact is, many Americans WANT to hurt Iraqi "persons of interest", because they associate Iraq with 911. After all, both Saddam and OBL were suspiciously brown, and so are the people incarcerated in Abu Graib.
This is why there has been no serious call to punish the higher ups responsible (Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Bush, etc).
Sorry to say this Rog, but most of your country are afflicted by a disease called "being fucking retarded", its caused by watching too much TV.
Quote from: ScribeQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
It would never work because - contrary to myth - Americans are no better, morally, than any other people. Fact is, many Americans WANT to hurt Iraqi "persons of interest", because they associate Iraq with 911. After all, both Saddam and OBL were suspiciously brown, and so are the people incarcerated in Abu Graib.
This is why there has been no serious call to punish the higher ups responsible (Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Bush, etc).
Sorry to say this Rog, but most of your country are afflicted by a disease called "being fucking retarded", its caused by watching too much TV.
Naw. Paint chips. At least 61,000,000 Americans are apparently ADDICTED to the damn things.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
It would never work because - contrary to myth - Americans are no better, morally, than any other people. Fact is, many Americans WANT to hurt Iraqi "persons of interest", because they associate Iraq with 911. After all, both Saddam and OBL were suspiciously brown, and so are the people incarcerated in Abu Graib.
This is why there has been no serious call to punish the higher ups responsible (Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Bush, etc).
Truth
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: ScribeI did Milgram in psychology. Its still not a fucking excuse. What they should have done is found out why some of them didnt do as they were told and see if that could be applied to the population as a whole.
I didn't mean to say it is an excuse, I am just saying it is in human nature. And those experiments have been done in other cultures. I forget the specifics, but the more rigid the social order, the less flexibility, the less you feel comfortable questioning people that are in authority positions over you, the more likely this sort of thing can happen. And a lot of people knew about Abu Graib. If there hadn't been pic's, it might still be kept quiet. And people in control do not want to find out what makes people say no, they want to keep the majority saying nothing...
Sorry, Im just a little pissed off tonight, didnt mean to rip your head off. But still, we have to find out why those who didnt do it didnt do it. I think that is possibly very important. I dont think it is just down to social order, it seems far more
determined than that.
Um, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy... And a lot of people knew about Abu Graib. If there hadn't been pic's, it would have been kept quiet.
Fixed that for you, hon.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Yeah. What does this have to do with Hugh?
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Yeah. What does this have to do with Hugh?
And what part of Hillary's health care plan would send you to jail for going to the wrong doctor?
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Yeah. What does this have to do with Hugh?
And what part of Hillary's health care plan would send you to jail for going to the wrong doctor?
The part that detailed criminal penalties for both the patient and the
doctor if the transaction was not previously approved by an assigned
gatekeeper.
Quote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Yeah. What does this have to do with Hugh?
And what part of Hillary's health care plan would send you to jail for going to the wrong doctor?
The part that detailed criminal penalties for both the patient and the
doctor if the transaction was not previously approved by an assigned
gatekeeper.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for a link.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
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actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Subverting the democratic process, Kent State, his interesting anti-Semetic conversations with Billy Graham in the oval office, enthusiastic participation in HUAC, etc.
He was a monster. I hope they remembered to put a stake through his heart before they buried him.
we're not talking about his beliefs, his intentions, or his motives...we're speaking strictly of what he accomplished while in office.
C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.
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1. Um, with the exception of HUAC, all the things I mentioned were WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE. Now, his environmental/OSHA record isn't too bad, but the China thing? Yeah, that worked out. :lol:
2. Fuck off. This conversation is over.
you misread me, or you chose to ignore what I was really saying...Nixon might have hated jews allday, but he never passed any anti-semitic legislation...I didn't say "things that happened while he was in office", I said "what he
accomplished while he was in office"
there is a difference, and you know it. You're starting to sound like a liberal mirror of Limbaugh or Savage, and that worries me since you're someone whose intelligence and passion for politics i generally have alot of respect for...
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: defective irc botQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodwhy's everyone gotta hate on Tricky Dick? put aside the fact that he was a crazy asshole and look at what he actually accomplished while in office, and you could make an argument that he was the best president we ever had.
BS,
knows that oughtta start a shitstorm
8)
actually i agree.
freedom of info act, civil rights advances, etc, etc.
as for his crookedness, it was his paranoia that got him caught doing what every other president has doen and does.
Subverting the democratic process, Kent State, his interesting anti-Semetic conversations with Billy Graham in the oval office, enthusiastic participation in HUAC, etc.
He was a monster. I hope they remembered to put a stake through his heart before they buried him.
we're not talking about his beliefs, his intentions, or his motives...we're speaking strictly of what he accomplished while in office.
C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.
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1. Um, with the exception of HUAC, all the things I mentioned were WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE. Now, his environmental/OSHA record isn't too bad, but the China thing? Yeah, that worked out. :lol:
2. Fuck off. This conversation is over.
you misread me, or you chose to ignore what I was really saying...Nixon might have hated jews allday, but he never passed any anti-semitic legislation...I didn't say "things that happened while he was in office", I said "what he accomplished while he was in office"
there is a difference, and you know it. You're starting to sound like a liberal mirror of Limbaugh or Savage, and that worries me since you're someone whose intelligence and passion for politics i generally have alot of respect for...
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C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.You're starting to sound like a liberal mirror of Limbaugh or SavageConversation is over. If I wanted to deal with VoT's style of "debate", I'd go over to Internet Messiah and do so.
ahh...so now I'm just like VoT? hmm...except, I address the salient points of the discussion in a timely manner, I try to back up my opinions with facts as I understand them when possible, and, oh yeah, I'm not a fucking conservatard. Admittedly, one of us is doing the voT thing and trying to duck out of the debate when someone actually challenges their views, but it's not me.
And I'm not trying ot get in another pissing match with you Rog, but I think it's very important that we don't let our hatred of Emperor Lying Fuckbag and his cronies blind us to the larger realities at hand, one of which is that we'd probably be having this same conversation with different names had Kerry or some other Dem been elected...
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodahh...so now I'm just like VoT? hmm...except, I address the salient points of the discussion in a timely manner, I try to back up my opinions with facts as I understand them when possible, and, oh yeah, I'm not a fucking conservatard. Admittedly, one of us is doing the voT thing and trying to duck out of the debate when someone actually challenges their views, but it's not me.
And I'm not trying ot get in another pissing match with you Rog, but I think it's very important that we don't let our hatred of Emperor Lying Fuckbag and his cronies blind us to the larger realities at hand, one of which is that we'd probably be having this same conversation with different names had Kerry or some other Dem been elected...
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1. I never said you were just like VoT. I said you were using his debating style.
2. Not a conservative? Could have fooled me. You seem to be doing everything you can to slam the only
viable opposition that exists.
3. You didn't challenge my views, you challenged my intelligence. So be it. Selah.
I didn't challenge your intelligence at all...I said that the things you were saying worried me because I have a great deal of respect for your intelligence...and again, I'm not debating in a manner anything like VoT..if I was, I would have posted twice, ignored everybody's redress of my posts, and called everyone a bunch of whacked-out liberals or some such mullet-headed drivel...and unfortunately, I'm slamming the Dems because I don't see them as a viable alternative in their current state...I agree that they might be the slightly lesser of two evils, but if they don't have anybody who can get elected, it's kind of a moot point, and maybe we need to start thinking about other alternatives...if we start now, we might be able to accomplish something worthwhile before our kids inherit a ruined nation...try to remember you and I are on the same side here, OK?
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodI didn't challenge your intelligence at all...I said that the things you were saying worried me because I have a great deal of respect for your intelligence...and again, I'm not debating in a manner anything like VoT..if I was, I would have posted twice, ignored everybody's redress of my posts, and called everyone a bunch of whacked-out liberals or some such mullet-headed drivel...and unfortunately, I'm slamming the Dems because I don't see them as a viable alternative in their current state...I agree that they might be the slightly lesser of two evils, but if they don't have anybody who can get elected, it's kind of a moot point, and maybe we need to start thinking about other alternatives...if we start now, we might be able to accomplish something worthwhile before our kids inherit a ruined nation...try to remember you and I are on the same side here, OK?
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C'mon, Rog, I expect more intelligence out of you.Ergo, my response was "without intelligence".
my apologies...I worded that poorly.
what I should have said was "c'mon, Rog..I expect a more intelligent response out of you" again, because I know you're a smart cookie...now that you've fished no less than three compliments to your intelligence out of me, can we get back to the topic at hand?
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodmy apologies...I worded that poorly.
what I should have said was "c'mon, Rog..I expect a more intelligent response out of you" again, because I know you're a smart cookie...now that you've fished no less than three compliments to your intelligence out of me, can we get back to the topic at hand?
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Umm...Nope.
sad...I hope whatever you and VoT have isn't contagious...
:(
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodsad...I hope whatever you and VoT have isn't contagious...
:(
Nice try.
it's not a "try" at all...I thought we were having an interesting and intelligent debate about a relevant and fairly important subject, and I think it's unfortunate that you're gonna bow out because of some perceived slight to your intelligence...
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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: gnimbleyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyUm, I started this thread so we could talk about the stupid things presidents say, not so we could say stupider things to each other. What was I thinking :roll:
You were expecting continuity?
Oopsie.
Yeah. What does this have to do with Hugh?
And what part of Hillary's health care plan would send you to jail for going to the wrong doctor?
The part that detailed criminal penalties for both the patient and the
doctor if the transaction was not previously approved by an assigned
gatekeeper.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for a link.
Damn, Rog. Just trying to find a copy of the bill has taken this long
and the sucker is 1000's of pages long! My eyes are buggin out here,
man.
They have it at this site, but the "searches" expire and you have to
go back to the beginning and start over, so I can't link directly to the
bill.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/search.html
Enter in Health Security Act and select 103rd Congress.
Click to search. Then click on [S.1757.IS], (#6.)
The offending passages are supposed to be in Title V, Subtitle E.
But everything refers to everything else, so have fun trying to
figure out what it means.
Okay, it could be I was wrong and repeated something that wasn't true.
What are the chances of that? After all, I'm infallible, right? (I am
sure VoT can tell us all about how I was right. HA!) Anyway, that was
what I remembered. There are criminal penalties in there. Mostly for
fraud. And there are circumstances where getting treatment outside the
"plan" could be considered fraud. So work it out. I'm hungry.
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodit's not a "try" at all...I thought we were having an interesting and intelligent debate about a relevant and fairly important subject, and I think it's unfortunate that you're gonna bow out because of some perceived slight to your intelligence...
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We were, until you decided to get personal, rather than stick to the subject at hand. Sorry, dude, I ain't playing.
you call that "getting personal"?
I didn't realize you were so thin-skinned, dude.
my bad, though...I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings...
*hugs Roger*
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodyou call that "getting personal"?
I didn't realize you were so thin-skinned, dude.
my bad, though...I really didn't mean to hurt your feelings...
*hugs Roger*
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Not thin-skinned, I'm just not in the mood to put up with nasty comments thrown into the debate.
c'mon now, that was hardly a nasty comment, and it certainly wasn't meant as an insult...I told you I worded it poorly and apologized for that...if my thinking that something you said sounded foolish and pointing it out is being nasty, then whatever...anyway, before we start fighting over which one of us is the pot and which is the kettle, I'm gonna go take this here stick and poke it in Daven's eye for a bit...
but Hillary still sucks.
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodc'mon now, that was hardly a nasty comment, and it certainly wasn't meant as an insult...I told you I worded it poorly and apologized for that...if my thinking that something you said sounded foolish and pointing it out is being nasty, then whatever...anyway, before we start fighting over which one of us is the pot and which is the kettle, I'm gonna go take this here stick and poke it in Daven's eye for a bit...
but Hillary still sucks.
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And Boosh is a God, at least by comparison.
Or so your earlier post indicated.
interesting take on my words, considering I never even mentioned Bush until about 20 minutes ago.
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodinteresting take on my words, considering I never even mentioned Bush until about 20 minutes ago.
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I was talking about the "You should all be terrified of Hillary" comment.
What can Hillary do to us that Bush already hasn't?
I suspect we'll find out the answer to that question in about 4 years.
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Authentic VoT debating style may only be achieved through liberal use of the: :roll: smiley.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiAuthentic VoT debating style may only be achieved through liberal use of the: :roll: smiley.
Just sayin'.
No, because then he will claim it was all sarcasm and people should know that by now. :roll:
Quote from: ScribeQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiAuthentic VoT debating style may only be achieved through liberal use of the: :roll: smiley.
Just sayin'.
No, because then he will claim it was all sarcasm and people should know that by now. :roll:
i would like to reply to your outrageous bleeding heart liberal logic but i'm supposed to be at work :D
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiAuthentic VoT debating style may only be achieved through liberal use of the: :roll: smiley.
Just sayin'.
Are you comparing me to VoT :roll: That's not very nice :roll: :shock: :lol: I couldn't keep straight face for that sorry, hahahahaha
Just saying 8)
hehehehehe
Quote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Pope T.Mangrove xviiAuthentic VoT debating style may only be achieved through liberal use of the: :roll: smiley.
Just sayin'.
No, because then he will claim it was all sarcasm and people should know that by now. :roll:
i would like to reply to your outrageous bleeding heart liberal logic but i'm supposed to be at work :D
Well Im sorry but if you had to read through 30 plus replies then you'd miss something too.... :roll:
Quote from: Scribe
Sorry, Im just a little pissed off tonight, didnt mean to rip your head off. But still, we have to find out why those who didnt do it didnt do it. I think that is possibly very important. I dont think it is just down to social order, it seems far more determined than that.
No problem, my head has been ripped off so many times since I signed on to this forum, I installed a zipper. :shock: :D
I'm still not sure why exactly Bath thinks Hillary's (alleged) crimes (that he hasn't identified) are somehow worse than any other politician's.
Quote from: LMNOI'm still not sure why exactly Bath thinks Hillary's (alleged) crimes (that he hasn't identified) are somehow worse than any other politician's.
As near as I can tell, he is basing it soley on the fact that she is a woman, that is the only thing he has identified. She has been in politics since before she met Bill, but a lot of people don't realise that. They think she rode in on his coat tails, when it may actually be the other way around.
Now, now...
Don't go putting words in the por boy's mouth... I'll wait for him to get off the lunch shift & explain it himself.
Quote from: LMNONow, now...
Don't go putting words in the por boy's mouth... I'll wait for him to get off the lunch shift & explain it himself.
You mean after he edited my posts to make me older than my mother? And stole my boots, that he had previously made fun of, to make his new avatar? And accused me of being motherly and of counseling and butting in? OK, wtf, I got nothing better to do. We shall see what he has to say for himself.
Any side bets that he never addresses the issue but creates a new fight out of nothingness?And a good day to you sir.
Methinks eldora is embarking on an anti-NSRA jihaad...
RAWR!
Quote from: LMNOMethinks eldora is embarking on an anti-NSRA jihaad...
Not on purpose, Goat Turd McStabby Pants just gets so full of himself, then he gets mad that we notice. And he picks on me and Horab for being nice to people. I don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: LMNOMethinks eldora is embarking on an anti-NSRA jihaad...
Not on purpose, Goat Turd McStabby Pants just gets so full of himself, then he gets mad that we notice. And he picks on me and Horab for being nice to people. I don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
I suspect that Bath might be a republican troll.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
Uh... no.
Some of us are about all that.
Some of us are about smashing the state.
(And some us are for both, and some of us are for neither... You get the picture).
LMNO
-Annoyingly semantic.
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
::shifty eyes::
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
Good luck with that. Let us know how that works out.
Please note:
Quote from: LMNO
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
(And some us are for both, and some of us are for neither... You get the picture).
LMNO
-Annoyingly semantic.
Also, please note I did not catagorize myself.
Quote from: LMNOPlease note:
Quote from: LMNO
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
(And some us are for both, and some of us are for neither... You get the picture).
LMNO
-Annoyingly semantic.
Also, please not I did not catagorize myself.
Why not? Are ya
chicken?
:twisted:
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: LMNOPlease note:
Quote from: LMNO
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
(And some us are for both, and some of us are for neither... You get the picture).
LMNO
-Annoyingly semantic.
Also, please not I did not catagorize myself.
Why not? Are ya chicken?
:twisted:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Many of us refuse to categorize ourselves, let me count the wtf's
1 It's none of your business
2 We don't let anyone in on our evil plans
3 We do not fit into any one category, we ebb and flow, we are this part of that and that part of this which allows us to be both and neither all at the same time.
There's more, but I have more important things to take care of. :twisted:
::hi-fives Ghost::
Love ya, man!
You wanna be SewerMaster of the ELF?
Quote from: LMNO::hi-fives Ghost::
Love ya, man!
You wanna be SewerMaster of the ELF?
No, I'm already sewermaster of a major city.
Which means that city is mine to torment.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: LMNOI'm still not sure why exactly Bath thinks Hillary's (alleged) crimes (that he hasn't identified) are somehow worse than any other politician's.
As near as I can tell, he is basing it soley on the fact that she is a woman, that is the only thing he has identified. She has been in politics since before she met Bill, but a lot of people don't realise that. They think she rode in on his coat tails, when it may actually be the other way around.
time for me to rip you a new one again...
please point out to me where I EVER said that her being a woman had anything to do with it? because I could give a rat-fuck about that...I also never said that her crimes were any worse than anything that every other politician does...
however, none of those other politicians are the most likely person to be our next president...if she decides not to run and they put Biden or Edwards or Vilsack in as a replacement, I'll surely find something just as wrong with each one of them.
Especially Biden.
incidentally, if the Dems want to run a female candidate, they oughtta let the GOP lackeys push the constitutional amendment through to allow foreign-born citizens to be president, and then run Jennifer Granholm.
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...if she decides not to run and they put Biden or Edwards or Vilsack in as a replacement, I'll surely find something just as wrong with each one of them.
Any idiot can find something wrong with anything. That's what makes them idiots.
Eldora: Told you.
Bath: So you're saying you'd be saying that no matter who runs, if I get you right. Fair enough. But you still haven't said what her crimes were...
Although I have to say, you're quite optimistic if you actually think Hillary will win in 08. SHe doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Unless coulter, hannity, oreilly, and rush all die in the next 3 months.
:shock:
You heard it here first, folks...
Quote from: LMNOEldora: Told you.
Bath: So you're saying you'd be saying that no matter who runs, if I get you right. Fair enough. But you still haven't said what her crimes were...
Although I have to say, you're quite optimistic if you actually think Hillary will win in 08. SHe doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Unless coulter, hannity, oreilly, and rush all die in the next 3 months.
:shock:
You heard it here first, folks...
Unlike Kerry, the Clintons THRIVE under the criticism of the above-named morons.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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Quote from: Ghost In The MachineI suspect that Bath might be a republican troll.
d'you fall and hit your head?
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Quote from: LMNO
Unless coulter, hannity, oreilly, and rush all die in the next 3 months.
:shock:
You heard it here first, folks...
Psst, shutup! You just ruined the perfect hit!
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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We're
republicans? :shock:
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Ghost In The MachineI suspect that Bath might be a republican troll.
d'you fall and hit your head?
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No, I read your posts. The Vince Foster one was the funniest.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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We're republicans? :shock:
Michael Moore? is that yuo?
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Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: LMNOPlease note:
Quote from: LMNO
Uh... no. Some of us are about all that. Some of us are about smashing the state.
(And some us are for both, and some of us are for neither... You get the picture).
LMNO
-Annoyingly semantic.
Also, please not I did not catagorize myself.
Why not? Are ya chicken?
:twisted:
he might be
he sure ain't no bunny
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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But, Sweetie, what are you fighting FOR, try to keep that separate from what you are fighting against. Fighting against the system, fighting for peace, love and understanding. And in case you hadn't noiticed, there are a lot of hippies here :wink: You better watch out :wink:
Is Obsidian male or female? Just so's I can be polite and stuff.
oopsie (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=163346#163346)
I wanted to copy this here in case everything disappears again. :roll:
Quote from: ObsidianI don't get it.
And that my dear sir, is the problem. You seem like a nice guy trying to do a nice thing here, but you have your head so far up your bum you couldn't see the light if someone shoved it down your throat. You are so busy taking yourself so seriously, I wonder if you take life seriously, if you take fun seriously, if you take joy seriously. What do you see when you go outside. Do you see the wonders? Do you rail against everything? Do you have joy? Do you really think you are more than important than them? Do you think a dividing line really exists? How far into your own soul have you ever looked? Have you seen your own shadow and been scared? Is that why we terrify you so much that you must ban us? We will be fine. There are those among us who are young and angry, they react harshly. We know they need time to grow and we give them the time and space they need. We, that is, the ones who have gone through the anger to the other side. We all have to do that, it looks like you never have. The only way out is through. You can't hide from your anger and pain behind fluffy white clouds of ignorance. You have to face them, all the dark things that live in the corners of your mind, you have to face them or they eat away at you until you are nothing but the dark things.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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But, Sweetie, what are you fighting FOR, try to keep that separate from what you are fighting against. Fighting against the system, fighting for peace, love and understanding. And in case you hadn't noiticed, there are a lot of hippies here :wink: You better watch out :wink:
1. Troof. If you're going to fight, you're supposed to fight FOR something.
2. Hippies aren't ALL loveburgers. Take Efrim, for example.
i fight for great jsutice!
lol j/k. i dont fight at all.
well no generally anyway.
as for peace loce and udnestrtanding. well peace is cool, i liek to ahve naps, and can;t ahve that with a racket, or too much of one around, and then there love, well i liek sex, and i'm a big fan of freddy prince jr movies, or any lvoe drama/ chick flicks. understanding is for losers tho it's all abotu confusion man. don't be confused by seom sense of clarity you picked up in soem book, clarity comes through being confused utterly by one's envirnonemnt and the stuff that inhabits that environemnt. or seom crap. i'm oming close to get that mumbo jumbo saying into soemthing descent, butit's a confusing subject, which i itnend to be perfectly clear about.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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But, Sweetie, what are you fighting FOR, try to keep that separate from what you are fighting against. Fighting against the system, fighting for peace, love and understanding. And in case you hadn't noiticed, there are a lot of hippies here :wink: You better watch out :wink:
1. Troof. If you're going to fight, you're supposed to fight FOR something.
2. Hippies aren't ALL loveburgers. Take Efrim, for example.
Scratch that. You're supposed to fight for pie.
and cookies!
don't forget cookies!
:lol:
Whoops I forgot cookies.
I'm a hippy in the "hey dude I'm tripped out and want to hug everyone tonight" way, most of the time. Of course, the rest of the time I'm a hippy in the "dude, grow a brain cell and read a book" way.
Ehh, whatever.
*wonders if he can be the Oracle of Hippiness*
Ohh, and yeah, they're all politicians. Politician = Person who is pain by a corporation to vote in a way that makes the corporation money. There is no difference between them. All the same. Give up (generally denegrates into random emo rantings about how everything is all the same and you should all give up now, or die.).
Anyway, this started as a good discussion (wow we can have one of those?) but generally turned into the same kind of shit everything on this board turns into. Fuck, and I thought some of you were intelligent (yes, I am baiting you.)
Quote from: Saint Zurtok Ah.D.Whoops I forgot cookies.
I'm a hippy in the "hey dude I'm tripped out and want to hug everyone tonight" way, most of the time. Of course, the rest of the time I'm a hippy in the "dude, grow a brain cell and read a book" way.
Ehh, whatever.
*wonders if he can be the Oracle of Hippiness*
---->snip<-----
Anyway, this started as a good discussion (wow we can have one of those?) but generally turned into the same kind of shit everything on this board turns into. Fuck, and I thought some of you were intelligent (yes, I am baiting you.)
I think we need an Oracle of Happiness, but you are gonna catch hell from the people who hate pies and cookies. Oh, you said Hippiness, that's very different, well it's a little different, actually it may not be different at all :?
Anyway, I was trying to get good a discussion going. What was I thinking :shock: :roll:
are you kidding? this was a great discussion.
it just wasn't the discussion you had in mind.
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I think the remit of this thread should be widened, to international heads of state say the stupidest things. I can think of a few slip ups by our own elected officials which are fun... :twisted:
jean chretien on the wmds:
we'll shwo support when there's prooff? a proofs a proof, when we have proof of proof, we'll know they have proof.
the guy's agoldmine, but i pay as little attention to canadian politics as possible. after awhile it all blends intot ehsame scam anyway.
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: LMNOI'm still not sure why exactly Bath thinks Hillary's (alleged) crimes (that he hasn't identified) are somehow worse than any other politician's.
As near as I can tell, he is basing it soley on the fact that she is a woman, that is the only thing he has identified. She has been in politics since before she met Bill, but a lot of people don't realise that. They think she rode in on his coat tails, when it may actually be the other way around.
time for me to rip you a new one again...
please point out to me where I EVER said that her being a woman had anything to do with it? because I could give a rat-fuck about that...I also never said that her crimes were any worse than anything that every other politician does...however, none of those other politicians are the most likely person to be our next president...if she decides not to run and they put Biden or Edwards or Vilsack in as a replacement, I'll surely find something just as wrong with each one of them.
Especially Biden.
incidentally, if the Dems want to run a female candidate, they oughtta let the GOP lackeys push the constitutional amendment through to allow foreign-born citizens to be president, and then run Jennifer Granholm.
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This kind of ranting,
in my opinion, is part of the problem.
Nobody is good enough for your vote, these days? Well, that's fine, as long as you are willing to pay the price for not voting.
When you get sent to a stupid, useless war on the other side of the planet, when you are thrown in jail for not being patriotic enough, when the IRS invades your life for no reason, when you are forbidden to fly because you aren't conservative enough....THEN you will realize that it really DOES matter who is president/governor/police chief. And you will wish you HAD voted.
While jingoism does not equal patriotism, neither does being cynical...and there's nothing wrong with
genuine patriotism, in a republic. Why the hell do you think the republic is degrading into tyranny?
Because nobody cares, anymore. They're too busy rah-rahing the war, or being too cool to give a shit. May they all burn in hell.
It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind. - Voltaire
The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border? - Pablo Casals
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. - Bertrand Russell
Screw patriotism. It's a lost term, representing am ideal that should never be attained. It's become a rallying cry for everyone trying to surface a cheap sense of duty for their side.
How about forgetting our borders and adopting a kind of humanitarianism, a basic sense of human decency and what is right? The world is too small now for patriotism to survive in it's current form. People are starting to blur their allegiances. What you see as a lack of partriotism and a gradual decay of social order is more representative of a world that realises that things are becoming more complicated, more blended.
I don't know where that will finally get us, but I can't honestly view that as a bad thing. We prevent disease, murder, destruction, and yet we condone all of these things under the umbrella of patriotism.
I love my country, but not to the exclusion of others. My allegiances are to the people that surround me and that have fought governments to make right. And to the land that supports them, wherever that may be. That's where my debt lies, not to some ideal of Motherland. I vote based on those policies and because it's in my best interests, and not because it is my "duty".
Quote from: HoshikoScrew patriotism. It's a lost term, representing am ideal that should never be attained. It's become a rallying cry for everyone trying to surface a cheap sense of duty for their side.
How about forgetting our borders and adopting a kind of humanitarianism, a basic sense of human decency and what is right?
No, patriotism isn't lost, it's just been co-opted, and used to represent jingoism. That is no reason, however, to let the actions and Orwellian words of the Bastards that be dictate our behavior.
The world's a big place. It's all I can do to worry about my country, let alone the teeming billions that live outside of it. Our best hope, the world's best hope, is to get our nation back under control. FDR had the right idea with his "Good Neighbor" policy. Unfortunately, 3 nations at that time could not agree to something like that, and the results spoke for themselves.
As for the rest of your post:
Allegiances should start bottom up. Family, then friends, then country, then world. But these are not mutually exclusive terms.
Just one man's opinion, of course.
Unfotunatly, there are some words that are co-opted and shall never be clean again. Patriotism is one of those words.
Actually, come to think of it, when was it ever clean? People have been using patriotism in the same dirty way since history began.
QuoteThe world's a big place. It's all I can do to worry about my country, let alone the teeming billions that live outside of it.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I've got more friends outside the country than in, which may have skewed my thinking a bit, but people and the big picture are my first concern. Where has myopic nationalism gotten us?
QuoteOur best hope, the world's best hope, is to get our nation back under control.
Well, in the short term, maybe. I doubt it. The world's best hope is for people to relize that our country is not the most important one as of this moment. That we do not have the right to impose ourselves on others based on non-existant threats and paranoi. We need to think bigger. I can't see how you can think big enough to solve any problem as large as ours while still holding your interests close to the heartland of the good ol' USA.
QuoteAllegiances should start bottom up. Family, then friends, then country, then world.
Sometimes you have to protect the world before your country benefits. When everyone focuses on country before world, things go very badly very fast.
Quote from: HoshikoUnfotunatly, there are some words that are co-opted and shall never be clean again. Patriotism is one of those words.
Actually, come to think of it, when was it ever clean? People have been using patriotism in the same dirty way since history began.
QuoteThe world's a big place. It's all I can do to worry about my country, let alone the teeming billions that live outside of it.
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. I've got more friends outside the country than in, which may have skewed my thinking a bit, but people and the big picture are my first concern. Where has myopic nationalism gotten us?
QuoteOur best hope, the world's best hope, is to get our nation back under control.
Well, in the short term, maybe. I doubt it. The world's best hope is for people to relize that our country is not the most important one as of this moment. That we do not have the right to impose ourselves on others based on non-existant threats and paranoi. We need to think bigger. I can't see how you can think big enough to solve any problem as large as ours while still holding your interests close to the heartland of the good ol' USA.
QuoteAllegiances should start bottom up. Family, then friends, then country, then world.
Sometimes you have to protect the world before your country benefits. When everyone focuses on country before world, things go very badly very fast.
Actually, our country IS the most important one right now...for all the wrong reasons...the same reasons that made Germany pretty important in, say, 1938.
As for your last comment, if everyone focused on what's ACTUALLY best for their own country, the world would be a much nicer place. For example, the current warmongering being done by the USA is NOT in our best interests. Peaceful trade and wealthy neighbors are. The rising tide lifts all boats actually does work, providing the tide really IS rising.
Words like patriotism only belong to the bastards if you let them. I find it very patriotic to hate what the current administration is doing to my country, for example.
Quote from: Ghost In The Machine
This kind of ranting, in my opinion, is part of the problem.
Nobody is good enough for your vote, these days? Well, that's fine, as long as you are willing to pay the price for not voting.
When you get sent to a stupid, useless war on the other side of the planet, when you are thrown in jail for not being patriotic enough, when the IRS invades your life for no reason, when you are forbidden to fly because you aren't conservative enough....THEN you will realize that it really DOES matter who is president/governor/police chief. And you will wish you HAD voted.
While jingoism does not equal patriotism, neither does being cynical...and there's nothing wrong with genuine patriotism, in a republic. Why the hell do you think the republic is degrading into tyranny?
Because nobody cares, anymore. They're too busy rah-rahing the war, or being too cool to give a shit. May they all burn in hell.
show me where I said I didn't or wouldn't vote? I've voted every chance I've gotten since I turned 18 so long ago. Your implication seems to be that I should vote the party line even if I don't think any of that party's candidates are the right person for the job. I think it's that kind of thinking that is a large part of what is wrong with american politics these days and both sides are equally guilty. There shouldn't even
be "sides". And even though I would probably fall into the "liberal" category (I prefer the term "progressive"), if the '08 election ends up being Hillary vs. McCain, as seems so likely, I am going ot vote for McCain. not because of party politics, but because I think he's a better choice for the job. Does that mean I can't turn around and vote for a Democrat for senate, congress, county commissioner, school board, etc? of course not, and that's probably what I'll do. But I refuse to let my vote be influenced by labels. Sorry if that bothers you.
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Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
This kind of ranting, in my opinion, is part of the problem.
Nobody is good enough for your vote, these days? Well, that's fine, as long as you are willing to pay the price for not voting.
When you get sent to a stupid, useless war on the other side of the planet, when you are thrown in jail for not being patriotic enough, when the IRS invades your life for no reason, when you are forbidden to fly because you aren't conservative enough....THEN you will realize that it really DOES matter who is president/governor/police chief. And you will wish you HAD voted.
While jingoism does not equal patriotism, neither does being cynical...and there's nothing wrong with genuine patriotism, in a republic. Why the hell do you think the republic is degrading into tyranny?
Because nobody cares, anymore. They're too busy rah-rahing the war, or being too cool to give a shit. May they all burn in hell.
show me where I said I didn't or wouldn't vote? I've voted every chance I've gotten since I turned 18 so long ago. Your implication seems to be that I should vote the party line even if I don't think any of that party's candidates are the right person for the job. I think it's that kind of thinking that is a large part of what is wrong with american politics these days and both sides are equally guilty. There shouldn't even be "sides". And even though I would probably fall into the "liberal" category (I prefer the term "progressive"), if the '08 election ends up being Hillary vs. McCain, as seems so likely, I am going ot vote for McCain. not because of party politics, but because I think he's a better choice for the job. Does that mean I can't turn around and vote for a Democrat for senate, congress, county commissioner, school board, etc? of course not, and that's probably what I'll do. But I refuse to let my vote be influenced by labels. Sorry if that bothers you.
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No, I guess you didn't say that. However, what you DID say was that you intend to find serious fault with ANYONE who runs.
true, but it's more with the intention of getting all of the relevant information out in the open than anything else. America loves to get it's informed opinions from 30-second sound bites. I just think that we should gather all of the available information about a candidate, including and especially all of the serious dirt. They've all got it, but some of it may be more relevant to the issues confronting POTUS than others. Do I care about a sex scandal? not really. Do I care about influence-peddling and shady land deals? probably more so.
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Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodand even though I would probably fall into the "liberal" category (I prefer the term "progressive"),
:shock:
:mrgreen:
:happy dance:
Quote from: Ghost in the machine. However, what you DID say was that you intend to find serious fault with ANYONE who runs.
You know, they just make it too damn easy these days. You have to look hard to find someone WITHOUT serious faults.
AC,
who only votes democrat so she can get two ballots.
Oh hell I have to vote soon. I bet the Monster Raving Loony Party (possibly the closest thing to a discordian party) cant afford to put in candidates here, so I'll have to settle for writing a political statement on my ballot and then spitting on it. Again. :roll:
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodtrue, but it's more with the intention of getting all of the relevant information out in the open than anything else. America loves to get it's informed opinions from 30-second sound bites. I just think that we should gather all of the available information about a candidate, including and especially all of the serious dirt. They've all got it, but some of it may be more relevant to the issues confronting POTUS than others. Do I care about a sex scandal? not really. Do I care about influence-peddling and shady land deals? probably more so.
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But according to the post that I paraphrased, you've already decided, in advance, that you WILL find something wrong with them.
QuoteBut according to the post that I paraphrased, you've already decided, in advance, that you WILL find something wrong with them.
And he'll probably be accurate.
Most politicians are filthy and corrupt these days. You have to really look around to find the ones who aren't.
Quote from: agent compassionQuoteBut according to the post that I paraphrased, you've already decided, in advance, that you WILL find something wrong with them.
And he'll probably be accurate.
Most politicians are filthy and corrupt these days. You have to really look around to find the ones who aren't.
I suppose it's a matter of degree.
Being overly cynical, however, can land you in the situation we are in today.
Sure, our economy is disintegrating, our troops are locked in a horrible quagmire, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives.
But at least the smart people weren't fooled, right?
If we had had a bit more cynicism, we might not have re-elected all those chumps in the House and Senate who really didn't deserve their jobs, and we might have picked a candidate to run against Bush with more cojones than Kerry.
Que sera sera, but don't you dare tell me we need LESS cynicism. People are sheep, the last thing they need is to tell themselves the problem is that they just don't trust that nice wolf enough.
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Quote from: agent compassionIf we had had a bit more cynicism, we might not have re-elected all those chumps in the House and Senate who really didn't deserve their jobs, and we might have picked a candidate to run against Bush with more cojones than Kerry.
Que sera sera, but don't you dare tell me we need LESS cynicism. People are sheep, the last thing they need is to tell themselves the problem is that they just don't trust that nice wolf enough.
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You misunderstand me. I am not saying to blindly accept any given candidate. What I AM saying is that you really only have two choices in a given election...and it is something less than a felony to vote for the lesser of two evils.
The cynicism I referred to is the idea that, if given the choice between a monster and a jerk, you won't vote for the jerk, because he's...well, a jerk.
For example, the last election. Kerry wouldn't exactly have changed the world, but at least I seriously doubt he'd be trying to provoke ANOTHER war, as the moron-in-chief that we have now is.
Bad, or worse. Decide. (keep in mind that not deciding is still, in itself, deciding)
There's a little thing called "all the time in between elections" that we never ever use.
We wait till the last minute, when the two evils have been chosen FOR us, and then we bitch about the poor choices.
When it comes to the last minute, yes, you do have to vote for someone.
But before all that happens, it's on your head to do the homework and find out who's who and what's what and dig up the bones in their backyards, and point out things that need pointing out, and protest if you wish.
Before the final two choices there are other stages of decisionmaking. The primaries. The caucuses. The nominations. The debates.
If people sit all that out, it's no wonder they get dud candidates - they were asked for an opinion and gave none, and then wonder why their opinion isn't asked anymore.
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Quote from: agent compassionThere's a little thing called "all the time in between elections" that we never ever use.
We wait till the last minute, when the two evils have been chosen FOR us, and then we bitch about the poor choices.
When it comes to the last minute, yes, you do have to vote for someone.
But before all that happens, it's on your head to do the homework and find out who's who and what's what and dig up the bones in their backyards, and point out things that need pointing out, and protest if you wish.
Before the final two choices there are other stages of decisionmaking. The primaries. The caucuses. The nominations. The debates.
If people sit all that out, it's no wonder they get dud candidates - they were asked for an opinion and gave none, and then wonder why their opinion isn't asked anymore.
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You're preaching to the choir. Face it, the TV owns the elections...because you are one of the 5% or so who are actually willing to think about things.
Unless you can find a way to deal with the TV culture, you're always going to be choosing the lesser of two evils...and sometimes, a half-decent candidate sneaks through the cracks.
While we may agree that things are fucked up, I don't agree that it's hopeless.
A big step towards regaining responsible media would be to have the Fairness Doctrine restored, and equal time rules in ALL states.
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Quote from: agent compassionWhile we may agree that things are fucked up, I don't agree that it's hopeless.
A big step towards regaining responsible media would be to have the Fairness Doctrine restored, and equal time rules in ALL states.
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Get the Senate to do THAT. While you're at it, ask them to balance the books. :lol:
The same people that own the TV stations own the Senators. It will never happen, barring revolution. And there will be no revolution.
QuoteAnd there will be no revolution.
You're funny.
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Quote from: agent compassionQuoteAnd there will be no revolution.
You're funny.
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I wish I was joking.
There will be no revolution.
Barthony, I agree with most of the things you've been saying in this thread, but there's one thing you've been saying that's incredibly perposterous, and that's that Hillary Clinton and John McCain's respective parties would nominate either of them. So you're telling me that the party that got their pansy asses handed to them by the inbred, fundamentalist Christian zealot majority (or at least they think they did) would be stupid enough to nominate a despised bulldyke from hell who (probably rather inaccurately) has a reputation as a "pinko", "feminazi", "tree-hugger", and "meaningless right-wing insult number 4" and an obscene trail of unsightly conspiracy theories about her ranging in various degrees of credibility, and is married to the Conservatives' whipping boy to be processed by the right-wing media zeitgeist on the trail to election day? If the cable news networks could milk so much controversy out of a centre-right moderate billionaire senator who went to Vietnam and has no testicular fortitude, imagine the orgiastic field day they'd have with Hillary. If anything, the person running on the Democrat ticket will be even more of a toned-down limp-dicked moderate pansy who appeals to the lowest common denominator, sadly.
And the fact that you think anyone as pure-hearted as John McCain could ever get past the primaries in today's G.O.P. is quaint.
Quote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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Peace, and love are pretty fucking chaotic, and the metaphysical teachings of Discordianism require at least minimal amounts of understanding. I don't think hippies and Discordians are mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_FonzarellQuote from: Bathory's SainthoodQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyI don't get it, man, I thought we were supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding.
oh, you wanted the hippie forum...that's down the hall. Discordianism as I see it has absolutely nothing to do with peace, love, and understanding. In fact, it has alot to do with chaos, strife, and realizing that there is probably no understanding to be had.
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Peace, and love are pretty fucking chaotic, and the metaphysical teachings of Discordianism require at least minimal amounts of understanding. I don't think hippies and Discordians are mutually exclusive.
Thanks :D
Quote from: HoshikoWhere has myopic nationalism gotten us?
Ironically, back in the 18th, or maybe 19th, century, nationalism was
a revolutionary force. People began bonding with each other because
of their shared heritage and became a force that threw off some of the
bonds of their oppressors. Sadly, as has always happened, the "elite"
found a way to co-opt and exploit it to the point where it is just another
tool of oppression.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineBeing overly cynical, however, can land you in the situation we are in today.
It could be that, instead of cynicism, our situation today is the result
to being overly optomistic. People actually believed that George W. Bush
would make things better for them. They actually believe that electing
some politiciam will make a difference. So they go along with the
scheme, believing that someday, somehow, someone will make the
right decision and their exploitation will end.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineThere will be no revolution.
Sadly, this is true.
Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_FonzarellAnd the fact that you think anyone as pure-hearted as John McCain could ever get past the primaries in today's G.O.P. is quaint.
I love the use of the terms "pure-hearted" and "quaint." What a fantasy
world we live in when these terms can be used to describe politicians
and politics. (Soory. Nothing personal. Just found them, ah, touchingly
"quaint.")
sadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him. I'd love to see him run as a 3rd party candidate, but he seems to feel some unfortunate loyalty to the GOP. I agree that Hillary is the wrong choice for the Dems, but I still think it's about 50/50 that they're dumb enough or deperate enough to run her anyway. Unless someoen comes out of the woodwork, the only other real choices are Kerry again, Edwards, Biden, or Vilsack.
Kerry = preoven loser
Edwards = all style, no substance, and probably more likely in '12 than in '08
Biden = might make a good president, in the same way that I think Nixon was a good president. A pompous windbag with zero integrity, but would probably be able to push some meaningful legislation through. Tendencies towards being a pompous windbag will probably relegate him to 3rd in the primaries.
Vilsack = Don't know much about him. Seems like the right temperament and personality to be electable, but stuck with a funny name.
If I'm missing anyone, please feel free to add to the list. Given those 4 as the potential other choices, I'm guessing they'll run Hillary. Lots of idiots will vote for her just because her last name is Clinton, and lots of others will vote for her because her last name isn't bush.
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You are only listing Senators, which means you are missing everybody.
If the Dems are serious about winning the White House they will run
a governor. Senators have a really difficult time winning the White House.
I think it is because they have to take stands on national issues in
Congress. And, because of the way legislative bodies work, you end up
voting for and against everything. Therefore - as Kerry discovered - you
can be accused legitimately of taking the wrong side on everything,
regardless of what side that is. If this had been peace time, I am sure
they could have found enough votes by Kerry to brand him a warmonger.
The last Senator I can remember being elected was Kennedy. And he
was barely a Senator, having been in office only a couple of years (if
memory serves.)
Governors don't take position on national issues. Therefore, when they
run they can take any position on anything and get away with it. Bush,
Clinton, Reagan, the whole lot, ran as outsiders with no dirt from
legislative voting and won. Senators like Hillary and Biden, etc. are
doomed.
Why do you think the GOP wants to run Ahnold?
Vilsack = governor.
as I said before, if the GOP gets to run Arnold, then the Dems would be able to run Jennifer Granholm, who might be one of their more electable members.
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Sorry. Don't know most politician names. Was just assuming.
:oops:
Maybe if I watched TV I would know this stuff, huh?
Presidents R all n00bisses anyway.
Quote from: Bathory's Sainthoodsadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.
We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.
And yet he fawns all over these guys.
McCain is a whore.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodsadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.
We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.
And yet he fawns all over these guys.
McCain is a whore.
It ain't his fault. He is a slave to the 'METHod.'
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Bathory's Sainthoodsadly, I think you may be right about McCain. It's too bad, because he'd be my first choice regardless of who the Dems ran against him.
We all saw what Bush's team did to him in 2000, and we all heard Hastert and DeLay (two huge chickenhawks) call him "unAmerican" for asking too many questions about Abu Graib.
And yet he fawns all over these guys.
McCain is a whore.
It ain't his fault. He is a slave to the 'METHod.'
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
Quote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
No, it isn't. The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.
Long before your time, I suspect.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
No, it isn't. The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.
Long before your time, I suspect.
Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
No, it isn't. The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.
Long before your time, I suspect.
Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.
No, Nixon wasn't. He didn't have TIME.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
No, it isn't. The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.
Long before your time, I suspect.
Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.
No, Nixon wasn't. He didn't have TIME.
That boy was on the snake, dads.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The Machine
Actually, if McCain was a speed freak, that would explain a lot.
It does say a lot, but it is still meaningless, unfortunately.
No, it isn't. The last time we had a president that used stimulants of this nature, we almost had a nuclear war.
Long before your time, I suspect.
Heh. They all on the METHod, my man.
No, Nixon wasn't. He didn't have TIME.
That boy was on the snake, dads.
All the snakes were in his head, kid.
Nixon was one loopy fucker. I hated him, and I'm proud of that. I hate this idiot more, though...and I never thought that would be possible.
We all thought many sorts of hatreds were impossible until this fucker came to power.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCWe all thought many sorts of hatreds were impossible until this fucker came to power.
My hate has taken on a Zen-like purity.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCWe all thought many sorts of hatreds were impossible until this fucker came to power.
My hate has taken on a Zen-like purity.
Mine has given me glimpses of Buddhahood.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCWe all thought many sorts of hatreds were impossible until this fucker came to power.
My hate has taken on a Zen-like purity.
Mine has given me glimpses of Buddhahood.
I hate that smug bastard, too.
I hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
Quote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Quote from: Caster BraidsQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Fuck little Billy! The little snot fucker owes me five bucks!
Quote from: Caster BraidsQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Uh...Billy isn't old enough to be in a fraternity.
Please do research the running jokes, before testing.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Caster BraidsQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Uh...Billy isn't old enough to be in a fraternity.
Please do research the running jokes, before testing.
Obviously you have not seen the Frat next door to where Summer lives.
They recruit from the Cradle, they do.
Skulls and Bones.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Caster BraidsQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Uh...Billy isn't old enough to be in a fraternity.
Please do research the running jokes, before testing.
Damn! Maybe they was referring to Billy the Elder Little. But he died from a horrible heartbreak when he discovered his psoriasis.
Quote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Man he fell in with the wrong crowd lately.
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: Caster BraidsQuote from: Ghost In The MachineQuote from: ScribeQuote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCI hate all smug bastards. That's why I unleashed the hordes of Claw Shrimp and Face-Raping Bats.
Thats harsh man. Think of little Billy.
I hate that kid, too. Little bastard threw a baseball through my window.
Billy looked up Summer's skirt one day. May Billy die like all the other damnable Frat Boys.
Uh...Billy isn't old enough to be in a fraternity.
Please do research the running jokes, before testing.
Damn! Maybe they was referring to Billy the Elder Little. But he died from a horrible heartbreak when he discovered his psoriasis.
I think it may have more to do with the sad decline in trolling standards this place has suffered, since VoT got run off.
That's okay. There'll be more.
There always are more.
Tell summer that she should go get a baggie and a teddy bear. I think I hear Chef coming.
She tested? :shock:
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCThat's okay. There'll be more.
There always are more.
Well, yeah, but they suck.
Quote from: ScribeShe tested? :shock:
Man, she was even funna step.
Quote from: ScribeShe tested? :shock:
Another sad story.
We lose more trolls that way.