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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 02:17:18 AM

Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 02:17:18 AM
sometimes, I hate being able to say "I told you so".

I'm too sick to write my own rant, so here's the link. (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050411/ap_on_re_as/india_china)

I'm confident that most of you will be able to see the real significance of this regardless of all the smiles and handshakes being shown in the media articles.

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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 02:33:27 AM
Read about the China-Venezuela-Iran pact?  Classic realism.  If one state becomes too powerful, many smaller states will band together against it.  It is probably burnt into the eyelids of every professional in the State Department, thats how obvious and basic it is. But no, someone decided they wanted more.  They decided they were the ones who would shape the future of the world.  And they royally fucked up by forgetting that basic rule.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 02:56:21 AM
yeah, Venezuela is stepping on our balls pretty hard right now. Boosh has been all over Chavez's ass for not being a suck-up, going so far as to call him a human rights violator and basically accuse him of being a closet communist. Chavez may be a leftist, but he's still a democratically elected leftist, and last I knew he hadn't tried to do away with democracy and install himself as Prez-for-Life or anything like that. But Boosh and his cronies don't get it, so they've benn all over him lately and then just a week or so ago, Venezuela shut down the biggest oil refinery IN THE WORLD for "routine maintenance. Gas prices here spiked, jumping an average of around 15 cents a gallon in ONE DAY. I paid mroe wholesale for my last gasoline delivery than I was charging at the pump retail for the delivery before that.

but hey, that's life these days in the good ol' US of H.

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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on April 15, 2005, 03:07:59 AM
Thanks, I feel like crap.  I can't think of anything intelligent to say.  Between all the diet pop and sudafed I feel like I have been doing cocaine, which sucks because I am the only person I know who has tried coke and didn't like it.  

But, is Unistat still at war with whatever wasn't Eurasia?
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on April 15, 2005, 03:16:24 AM
Quote from: Se?±or Misteriosoyeah, Venezuela is stepping on our balls pretty hard right now. Boosh has been all over Chavez's ass for not being a suck-up, going so far as to call him a human rights violator and basically accuse him of being a closet communist. Chavez may be a leftist, but he's still a democratically elected leftist, and last I knew he hadn't tried to do away with democracy and install himself as Prez-for-Life or anything like that. But Boosh and his cronies don't get it, so they've benn all over him lately and then just a week or so ago, Venezuela shut down the biggest oil refinery IN THE WORLD for "routine maintenance. Gas prices here spiked, jumping an average of around 15 cents a gallon in ONE DAY. I paid mroe wholesale for my last gasoline delivery than I was charging at the pump retail for the delivery before that.
but hey, that's life these days in the good ol' US of H.

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With gas at 2.43 a gallon I realised that what I pay monthly for gas fill ups is costing me more than my monthly cable bill, or phone bill, or power bill.   Tourist towns are going to be hit hard this summer.  There was a town up north (in Michigan, that's where people go to get away from the hustle and bustle of the city) that reduced their prices to 1.99, all the other gas stations in town did the same.  If it had been any closer, I would have gone up there to fill up.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: gnimbley on April 15, 2005, 05:10:15 AM
I read that story you linked to, Turd. Unfortunately they posted
in the "news" section. Should be posted in the fiction section.
Reminds me of Pan-Arabia.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Horab Fibslager on April 15, 2005, 05:11:38 AM
sw33t!

now we'll have soemthgni other than world war fuckin two to inspire video game designers!


w00t!
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on April 15, 2005, 09:08:16 AM
Venezuela is pretty fucking funny. I remember all the pro-Chavez demonstrators in the streets of Caracas but here in the USA the media outlets had labelled them as "anti-Chavez" protestors. Shit is funny. Chavez is the most popular president of Venezuela since the Spanish invasion over around 500 years ago...yet here in the US, he is called a dictator. ( I repsect the man and what he is doing...and I give him props for surviving an attempted military coup and kidnapping.)
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCVenezuela is pretty fucking funny. I remember all the pro-Chavez demonstrators in the streets of Caracas but here in the USA the media outlets had labelled them as "anti-Chavez" protestors. Shit is funny. Chavez is the most popular president of Venezuela since the Spanish invasion over around 500 years ago...yet here in the US, he is called a dictator. ( I repsect the man and what he is doing...and I give him props for surviving an attempted military coup and kidnapping.)

Yeah, he seems pretty good as far as leaders go and its nice to see he has the balls to stick to his words, even if it means throwing his lot in with some very nasty countries.  Probably get added to the axis of evil now.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on April 15, 2005, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: Scribe
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSCVenezuela is pretty fucking funny. I remember all the pro-Chavez demonstrators in the streets of Caracas but here in the USA the media outlets had labelled them as "anti-Chavez" protestors. Shit is funny. Chavez is the most popular president of Venezuela since the Spanish invasion over around 500 years ago...yet here in the US, he is called a dictator. ( I repsect the man and what he is doing...and I give him props for surviving an attempted military coup and kidnapping.)

Yeah, he seems pretty good as far as leaders go and its nice to see he has the balls to stick to his words, even if it means throwing his lot in with some very nasty countries.  Probably get added to the axis of evil now.

Since when was Brazil a nasty country? (Hint: Brazil is nice. Just don't fuck with the police. Don't carry large amounts of cash when walking around, say, Rio. And speak a little Portuguese...they like that.)
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 12:21:35 PM
I had a friend who went to Brazil, he said it was great. Closest I ever got was Lake Titicaca :)  I meant more like China  and Iran, who aren't exactly loving democracies either.  Then again, if you are hated by the worlds most powerful country and its current head, you can't be picky. I suppose most South American cities are similar to Rio anyway.  I remember waking up surrounded by armed police a couple of times in Peru. They were looking out for us, which was nice, its just waking up with a kalashnikov in your face is not a good start to your day.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on April 15, 2005, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: ScribeI had a friend who went to Brazil, he said it was great. Closest I ever got was Lake Titicaca :)  I meant more like China  and Iran, who aren't exactly loving democracies either.  Then again, if you are hated by the worlds most powerful country and its current head, you can't be picky. I suppose most South American cities are similar to Rio anyway.  I remember waking up surrounded by armed police a couple of times in Peru. They were looking out for us, which was nice, its just waking up with a kalashnikov in your face is not a good start to your day.

Peru is fucked up. Probably because the Indians haven't yet kicked whitey out. Peru has quite a lot of pissed off Indians. I think half the country is Indian.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 12:52:42 PM
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSC

Peru is fucked up. Probably because the Indians haven't yet kicked whitey out. Peru has quite a lot of pissed off Indians. I think half the country is Indian.

Yeah, about that. We spent alot of our time out in the middle of nowhere with Indians.  Some of our guides for when we were in the rainforest were telling us about their history and native religions.  I think they have every right to be pissed off, from what I learnt.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on April 15, 2005, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Scribe
Quote from: Irreverend Hugh, KSC

Peru is fucked up. Probably because the Indians haven't yet kicked whitey out. Peru has quite a lot of pissed off Indians. I think half the country is Indian.

Yeah, about that. We spent alot of our time out in the middle of nowhere with Indians.  Some of our guides for when we were in the rainforest were telling us about their history and native religions.  I think they have every right to be pissed off, from what I learnt.

The best part is Peru is actually a place where the Indians have a chance to kick whitey (and his Spanish speaking cousin) out. Or they might just outbreed them.

Did you pick up any Quechua?

All I remember is "Napaykullayki."

And "Runasimi rimankichu?"
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 01:16:50 PM
No unfortunately, the group I was with was very poor on language, I only had Spanish, and that was better than most, who only had English :roll: .  I saw one Spanish to Quenchya dictionary and when I went back the next day with money it was gone.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: agent compassion on April 15, 2005, 07:17:32 PM
QuoteVenezuela shut down the biggest oil refinery IN THE WORLD for "routine maintenance.

Izzat so....

Do I detect a whiff of "Don't fuck with Venezuela" in the air?

And yeah, I've liked Chavez ever since he told the megacorps to shove off and stop hoarding all the food in the warehouses to sell at ridiculous markups while people were starving in the streets...

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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 07:35:05 PM
Chavez is a fucking PIMP and our fucktard government is about to learn what it feels like to get pimp-slapped. Get ready for $5 a gallon.

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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2005, 07:38:09 PM
Hold it....



The guy from N*SYNC is running Venezuela now?


(http://img235.echo.cx/img235/2395/chavez1zr.jpg) (http://www.imageshack.us)
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: agent compassion on April 15, 2005, 07:53:41 PM
QuoteGet ready for $5 a gallon.

Don't have a car.

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And by the time summer's here, Biodiesel's gonna be dirt cheap by comparison to gas. Hmm.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 08:01:51 PM
LMNO: much as it pains me to admit that I know this, that's JC Chassez, not Chavez.

AgComp: prices at my pumps right now:

regular gas = $2.31/gal.
diesel = $2.45/gal.

diesel has been going up at the same rate as gas. there is no reason to think that diesel will become cheaper than gas anytime soon. and bio-diesel will be just as expensive as regular diesel (even though it may eventually become more cost-effective to produce) since the bio-diesel producers are trying to make a profit too. it's cheaper in hte sense that your MPG is probably going to be better with diesel, but in a per-gallon sense, it's gonna be a little more expensive than gasoline.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 08:02:39 PM
Quote from: agent compassion
QuoteGet ready for $5 a gallon.

Don't have a car.

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And by the time summer's here, Biodiesel's gonna be dirt cheap by comparison to gas. Hmm.

The USA shouldnt have tested. Chavez, it seems, has big brass ones.  Oh and he said recently the USA may try to kill him, so hope he doesnt die, or the oil may go not come again for quite a while.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: agent compassion on April 15, 2005, 08:18:30 PM
QuoteAgComp: prices at my pumps right now:

regular gas = $2.31/gal.
diesel = $2.45/gal.

$2.49 here on average...

Quotediesel has been going up at the same rate as gas. there is no reason to think that diesel will become cheaper than gas anytime soon. and bio-diesel will be just as expensive as regular diesel (even though it may eventually become more cost-effective to produce) since the bio-diesel producers are trying to make a profit too. it's cheaper in hte sense that your MPG is probably going to be better with diesel, but in a per-gallon sense, it's gonna be a little more expensive than gasoline.

1. Bio-diesel has nothing in common with diesel besides the fact that it runs in the same engines. But gas engines can't run biodiesel anyway. This only affects diesel customers. Gas users will have to to one of two things =  get diesel cars or pay the high prices. Neither one is comfortable.

2. While it's true they'll be making a profit, they are also trying to bring costs DOWN for consumers right now, because they are trying to increase its popularity...around here it's about $2.99 a gallon. And has been for a while.

3. When diesel tops $3.00 a gallon, there will be a rush on biodiesel, at least in areas where it is commercially available. The only way I can see the price spiking on biodiesel is if the demand outstrips the supply, but given that a relatively small number of consumers use diesel in their personal cars right now, that's not my concern. The real concern is the big trucks and buses who use diesel. However, their fuel use is not determined by individual drivers but decided on a companywide basis, which takes time. Which means time for the biodiesel producers to prepare.

4. The gas mileage nearly doubles while running biodiesel, which means you can buy half as much and still go where you're going. Regardless of the gallon price, I think it will still remain affordable.

5. If this high gas pricing continues, more alt-fuel companies(not just biodiesel) will jump at this chance to get a piece of the pie. More competition = lower prices all around.

I hope.


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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: Cain on April 15, 2005, 08:21:20 PM
I dont drive, so it will just be fun to watch everyone scurry around in panic from here. :lol:
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: LMNO on April 15, 2005, 08:22:44 PM
Or we could drill in the Arctic...



And kill everything for miles around....

And strip the land of its nutrients...

and push back the inevitable by about oly 5 years...





Y'know, like good Americans.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 09:42:32 PM
LMNO: 5 years is WAY too optimistic an estimate for that.

AgComp: there is no altruism ANYWHERE. And if there is, it will soon be co-opted by ExxonMobil. There is zero chance that the oil cabal will allow some mom & pop alt-fuel producers to muscle in on a slice of what they percieve to be their own private pie. And unless the mom & pop producers start their own PACs and begin donating billions to the right political coffers, they're gonna find themselves shit outta luck, much as we might wish otherwise.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: agent compassion on April 15, 2005, 09:54:43 PM
QuoteAnd unless the mom & pop producers start their own PACs and begin donating billions to the right political coffers, they're gonna find themselves shit outta luck, much as we might wish otherwise.

Fuck, who said anything about altruism?

And anyway, that's a good idea. I'm out of touch with the current biodiesel info, but I know Willie Nelson's gotten involved.
Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 15, 2005, 10:11:52 PM
we should definitely start a discordian PAC. and instead of the obvious choices, like Sunny Jim or Barbara Boxer, we should donate heavily to Zell Miller and Rick Santorum. Tell them we're a group dedicated to something ambiguously right-wing. say, the coalition for responsible parenting. then, once they've accepted our money, we start taking out ads in the local papers in their districts where it comes out that the coalition for responsible parenting is actaully a group dedicated to hard-core pro-aryan eugenics. And of course, we make sure to mention in our ads that we're big supporters of (insert assclown senator here), and that we've donated to their re-election campaign because we feel that they represent our values.

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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 16, 2005, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: Se?±or Misteriosowe should definitely start a discordian PAC. and instead of the obvious choices, like Sunny Jim or Barbara Boxer, we should donate heavily to Zell Miller and Rick Santorum. Tell them we're a group dedicated to something ambiguously right-wing. say, the coalition for responsible parenting. then, once they've accepted our money, we start taking out ads in the local papers in their districts where it comes out that the coalition for responsible parenting is actaully a group dedicated to hard-core pro-aryan eugenics. And of course, we make sure to mention in our ads that we're big supporters of (insert assclown senator here), and that we've donated to their re-election campaign because we feel that they represent our values.

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Um, what's up with stealing my #2 tagline? (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/enraged.gif)



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Title: Welcome to the post-american century: part 2
Post by: East Coast Hustle on April 16, 2005, 03:24:41 PM
umm...my bad....which one was that again?

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