After consulting with Eris, she has a few things to tell you guys. While her overall opinion of her minions is positive, she had one very important grievance. This is something that the more cynical non-prophets of Eris such as Scribe and Turd have been shouting at you guys for years. I'm more to blame for this than anyone. In general, Eris thinks you guys are awesome, but you really need to get your shit together.
Seriously, when the fuck did anyone ever say a Discordian wasn't allowed to be fucking organized? Dionysus is great, but sometimes you need some Apollo to combat Ares and...I don't know? Who the fuck's the Greek god of bureaucracy? Concordia? Who gives a shit. Anyway, the fucking point is, we have to start fucking organizing if we're ever going to give the goddamn Greyfaces the run for their fucking money. There are thousands of us. We could be on the terrorist watch lists. We rattle off 20 different Operastion Mindfuck posts a minute but we have the attention span of goldfish and never actually commit to one. If every person reading this and their lackeys actually buckled down, picked any one Operation Mindfuck topic at random, and set to work on the operation of creating chaos within, we might actually make a fucking difference, or at least get on local TV or some stupid-ass blog. The fucking point is, ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE ORGANIZE! At least that's what Eris was shouting at me. We have to fucking organize and get our shit together oh god I feel like I'm on meth but I'm not
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So yes, let's all pick a mindfuck, create a thought-out plan and strategy, and set about inacting it as much as possible. Remember when we were all going to send a letter to Jack Chick and try to get him paranoid? How many of us actually did that? I know I sure as hell didn't. Let's buckle down and do something! nefjdfasjdfsjldfsjlsdfjlsdajlasfjldjldfasdf
If it's all the same to you, I'd rather NOT be on anyone's watch lists, thank you very much.
I mindfuck all the time. I just don't post about it.
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You're one of the good ones, though.
And I wasn't saying we should be on government watch lists, although that would be hilarious, I was just stating that we could if we wanted to.
Yeah, but it's more fun when nobody's watching. You can do more that way.
And thanks.
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D/N/T Rule #1, Chaplin.
That is all.
I'm as organised as I'll ever be, there is no try here I just can't push it any further.
Quote from: agent compassionYeah, but it's more fun when nobody's watching. You can do more that way.
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yeah, but you can't convince others to join the cause. Rule #1 is a useful guideline, but it is not the be all and end all. Perhaps it's time we started being a little more conspicuous. Greyface cannot be enlightened if Greyface does not first realize that he is stumbling around in the dark.
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Quote from: Ghost In The MachineD/N/T Rule #1, Chaplin.
That is all.
that's a cop-out.
remember, if everyone had actually followed the first rule of Fight Club, there wouldn't have
been a Fight Club.
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Not to mention you can really fuck with the minds of those watching you for that very purpose. Even if it is just talking in code on your home phone all the time, to make sure your mate gets what you want from the shops.
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What if I really don't CARE about the Greyfaces?
I mindfuck for my own twisted alchemical reasons, mind you...and as an offering to Eris when She's in the mood. Hell, let's admit that most of us mindfuck for the entertainment value. As for organization, the Mafia is well organized and is out amongst the populace blowing snot from pineal glands (some of them care more than I about Greyfaces).
I also don't agree that we should share or talk about mindfucks or other activities. And neither I nor anyone associated with the PMM wishes to be on anyone's watch list or even any fricken radio or tv shows. (The day we are televised is the day you should hold your head between your legs and kiss your booties goodbye because on that day the birdshit will bury us all.)
crap.
seriously.
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Quote from: T'ai Kungcrap.
seriously.
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That is the prima materia, you know.
I really don't wanna see Discordianism reduced to the next Hot Topic craze, do you?
Quote from: agent compassionI really don't wanna see Discordianism reduced to the next Hot Topic craze, do you?
No, I don't. :evil:
Quote from: agent compassionI really don't wanna see Discordianism reduced to the next Hot Topic craze, do you?
sorry, but that's another cop-out.
I don't really want to see this country reduced to the next post-industrial slagheap theocracy, do you?
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Quote from: T'ai KungQuote from: agent compassionI really don't wanna see Discordianism reduced to the next Hot Topic craze, do you?
sorry, but that's another cop-out.
I don't really want to see this country reduced to the next post-industrial slagheap theocracy, do you?
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From all your posts, I figured it already
was...
Dude, you totally missed my point.
perhaps, but I'd prefer to try and stop or perhaps even reverse the process rather than rolling over and giving up, especially because I was concerned about whether the people that might think it's a good idea and jump on the bandwagon are worthy of being real discordians or not.
I say, if the entire Hot Topic crowd wants to join up, it's a good opportunity to try and educate/enlighten a group that's clearly already at odds with the status quo and just doesn't know how to break free yet.
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Here's the thing: They won't.
The reason I believe in flying low is because once something hits the mainstream, it gets corrupted and marketed into nothingness.
Hot Topic IS status quo now, you see.
then you lack faith in the rightness of your cause.
but you're right, we should just not do anything rather than take the chance that our quirky little philosophy might become popular and widely accepted because it's a good fucking idea.
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That's what they said about Punk, too.
And we all know your veiws on Punk, Kung....
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You and I have always disagreed on tactics, Turd, so perhaps let's just leave this one alone.
Quote from: LMNOThat's what they said about Punk, too.
And we all know your veiws on Punk, Kung....
Punk as a musical genre = dead, dead, DEAD.
Punk ethos as reflected in the views and practices of the disaffected, disenfranchised urban youth = VERY much alive and well.
hip-hop is the new punk anyway.
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Quote from: T'ai KungQuote from: LMNOThat's what they said about Punk, too.
And we all know your veiws on Punk, Kung....
Punk as a musical genre = dead, dead, DEAD.
Punk ethos as reflected in the views and practices of the disaffected, disenfranchised urban youth = VERY much alive and well.
hip-hop is the new punk anyway.
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...but with juicier asses.
Quote from: T'ai Kung
hip-hop is the new punk anyway.
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Troof. I had that discussion many times with friends. And idiots of varying types.
Quote from: LMNOQuote from: T'ai KungQuote from: LMNOThat's what they said about Punk, too.
And we all know your veiws on Punk, Kung....
Punk as a musical genre = dead, dead, DEAD.
Punk ethos as reflected in the views and practices of the disaffected, disenfranchised urban youth = VERY much alive and well.
hip-hop is the new punk anyway.
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...but with juicier asses.
c'mon dude, you know I'm not talking about Nelly and Ludacris and that kind of shit.
tell me that Visionaries, Living Legends, any of the crews on Rhymesayers or Quaanum, Aesop Rock and the Def Jux crew, Cali Agents, Zion I, etc. aren't the new face of "punk" DIY?
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Yes and no.
I think we need to break down and separate different uses of the word "punk".
Are some hip-hoppers creating new sounds and styles in their basements, with minimal equipment and building a fan base without the use of major labels (DIY)? You bet. But are they ultimately wanting to be a big as Neptunes? Absolutely.
Are they dedicated to destroying the standards the music industry have created (Fugazi)? Nope. Most want to get noticed and be bought by the industry.
Many push for social change (Clash, Minutemen), but many, many more do not.
It's easy to say that Hip Hip is the new punk, but you have to be careful about comparing labels like that.
Part of th eproblem is you guys are too young to see a bigger picture. Here is what I have observed. In the 90's, things were kinda cool, mellow, Dems in charge, sort of. In the 80's, we had the Rep's in charge, sort of, everything went conservative, movies showed more violence to women, people wore suits more. The late 60's early 70's, there were lots of hippies, peace love and all that crap. The 50's were conservative. Before that there was war and crap. The 30's were horrible, but Prohibition and the New Deal brought us out of it or something. The 20's were the Roaring 20's, very liberal. Women took off their corsets, but hadn't really got into wearing bras yet.
I heard on the radio yesterday that there is a lot more war protests than we realise, the 'mainstream media' is not covering it. The recruiters are having a difficult time because people are doing sit-ins. Recruiters were not allowed into one of those thingys seniors do, job fair or whatever.
There is an ebb and flow. I know this looks bad right now. We are going into a dark time. I also know the American people follow the crowd. It is sad, but when enough people are touched by this war, when enough people have gone to enough funerals, people will strike out.
Something else to think about, re: Hot topic-cizing of Discordia.
Once Eris gets into the mainstream consumer culture, THEY will be able to identify, compartimentalize, and dismiss it.
At least, to their satisfaction.
No movement was ever so terrifying as in the initial stages when no one knew what the fuck was happeneing. To use the music analogies, Jazz, Rock, Psychedelia, Metal, Punk, Hip Hop all terrified the populous when it came out, but now "London Calling" is selling cars, and even Lindsay Lohan is using hip hop beats in her music.
Keeping Discordia unknown guarantees paranoid confusion. Which is often the point.
counter-point: we don't have to say anything about discordianism to be an effective catalyst for activism and change. Oour ideas and methods are good ones. We can leave the name off of them and just present them as a set of good ideas.
You know, I was actually going to do a topic on this, but you have all read my mind, again... :roll:
Well, perhaps you have a slightly different angle.
I'd still like to hear it...
Heh, that came out worse than it was meant to. Just seems of late everyone has been doing that to me :D
Well, I hadnt fully thought it through, to be honest. I can see the appeal of both points of view. The problem is, I would say, the co-option of symbology at sacrafice of the message. This is the global capital age, in order to make new "products", ideas are bought and sold, ideologies for sale.
Then again, that could be the usefullness. Maybe I have too much faith in the strength of the ideas, but I can see the appeal of marketing execs lapping this up, only for it to backfire against them as people actually get the point. Of course, they probably wouldnt. But maybe for every 20 people who didnt get it, one who wouldnt have otherwise heard of it would. Perhaps.
Quote from: T'ai KungQuote from: LMNOQuote from: T'ai KungQuote from: LMNOThat's what they said about Punk, too.
And we all know your veiws on Punk, Kung....
Punk as a musical genre = dead, dead, DEAD.
Punk ethos as reflected in the views and practices of the disaffected, disenfranchised urban youth = VERY much alive and well.
hip-hop is the new punk anyway.
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...but with juicier asses.
c'mon dude, you know I'm not talking about Nelly and Ludacris and that kind of shit.
WTF? Why not? Not Nelly, but Ludacris. He has a sense of humor, at least.
I like Luda just fine, got a couple of his albums (first two), but he's not the kind of hip-hop I'm talking about when I make that statement. He does not represent the spirit of DIY.
Nelly sucks my balls. I've got MAD better flows than him.
I would fucking Nelly anyday.
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Quote from: T'ai KungI like Luda just fine, got a couple of his albums (first two), but he's not the kind of hip-hop I'm talking about when I make that statement. He does not represent the spirit of DIY.
Nelly sucks my balls. I've got MAD better flows than him.
I would fucking Nelly anyday.
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Big deal. Fucking Urkel owns HIS ass.
Now, bestest wierd hip hop ever: Digital Underground.
Bestest new stuff: Cowboy Troy.
I worked the door for a Digital Underground show at Jimmy Z's in Everett when I bounced there. Got to smoke the hippie lettuce with Shock G. after the show. good times.
Cowboy Troy is tha absolute shiznit too, but my favorite "new" group (since every new group has been doing it for 5 to 10 years before we ever hear them) is a toss-up between Grayskul and Boom Bap Project. Both just dropped new albums which aren't their first, but their first that are getting any sort of national distribution (Rhymesayers). both are from my hometown, and one of the dudes in Grayskul is a friend of mine, so I'm pimpin' them hard, but they're worth checking out. Angry, anti-governmental at times (especially Boom Bap), apocalyptic sounding, and about as far from "bling-bling" as it gets.
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