Principia Discordia

Blarg!

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
TGRR,
Taking discordianism(tm) back.

Make sure you bring the receipt.   :?

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
TGRR,
Taking discordianism(tm) back.

Make sure you bring the receipt.   :?

I need no "receipt".  Take your paperwork and file it where the sun doesn't shine.

TGRR,
Doesn't have time for WalMart return policies.

Rah!

good to have the Real(tm) you back.

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I might have to agree with rog for once


who'd'ov thought that would ever happen!

Quote from: Tomorrow Comes TodayRah!

good to have the Real(tm) you back.

8)

The Good Reverend is back, and ready to rumble.  

I should have about 3 sermons ready by the weekend.

hoorah!
this = good (like muffins)

Well said, noodle.

Muffins all around!

::sits back, chomps a muffin and waits for the next rant::

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Verthaine is an Erisian, Roger. That's why he's never claimed to be a Discordian. The distinction is subtle, but real.

i may disagree with roger what a discordian necesarily is or is defined by, but i too am a proud discordian, even arrogantly so at times. not everyone is a discordian, but everyone, every living creature and inanimate object, every paticle and atom and all that fancy stuff is a pawn of Our Lady of Confusion, wether or not they are aware of it or even willing. that plan regardless of it's nature might as well be a roll of the dice as far as any of us are concerned, as none of us are Her, wether or not they are as such.

also







HELL THE FUCK YEAH I AM ENLIGHTENED MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!

wether or not i am any more enlightened than anyone else is irrelevant and not for me to decide.

QuoteI am PROUD to toss sand in the gears

Pussy, thats what the BOULDERS are for.

And, I agree with you.

ZK,
Wants to have TGRR's babies.

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

QuoteI am PROUD to toss sand in the gears

Pussy, thats what the BOULDERS are for.

And, I agree with you.

ZK,
Wants to have TGRR's babies.

Boulders get you CAUGHT, kid.

Kids these days...no subtlety.  No finesse.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

QuoteI am PROUD to toss sand in the gears

Pussy, thats what the BOULDERS are for.

And, I agree with you.

ZK,
Wants to have TGRR's babies.

Boulders get you CAUGHT, kid.

Kids these days...no subtlety.  No finesse.

Tell that to tha terrorists.  Rock and roll!
As for me, I'm not a full-fledged Discordian, but give just enough of a shit to qualify for the discount.  My true real and actual religion is Quasianity.  I'm a half-assed Discordian, semi-Erisian, and sub-Subgenius.

Quote from: OM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Zurtok Khan

QuoteI am PROUD to toss sand in the gears

Pussy, thats what the BOULDERS are for.

And, I agree with you.

ZK,
Wants to have TGRR's babies.

Boulders get you CAUGHT, kid.

Kids these days...no subtlety.  No finesse.

Tell that to tha terrorists.  Rock and roll!
As for me, I'm not a full-fledged Discordian, but give just enough of a shit to qualify for the discount.  My true real and actual religion is Quasianity.  I'm a half-assed Discordian, semi-Erisian, and sub-Subgenius.

I'm first and foremost a subgenius...I don't see much of a difference between the two, to tell you the truth.

Except that we Subgenii tend to be a little more aggressive about things.

Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomVerthaine is an Erisian, Roger. That's why he's never claimed to be a Discordian. The distinction is subtle, but real.

Here's the thing, I have still not figured out where the dividing line is or which group I fit in, if either :?  Any words of Wisdom, Oracle?  Unless they include Doom, cuz right now I am full up on doom and don't need more, thanks :wink:

I'll leave it to Verthaine to explain how and why he considers himself Erisian rather than Discordian.
I know that he's proud to be among those who love Eris.

Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomI'll leave it to Verthaine to explain how and why he considers himself Erisian rather than Discordian.
I know that he's proud to be among those who love Eris.

Fair enough.  Can you tell me why you call yourself a Discordian rather than an Erisian?

Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomI'll leave it to Verthaine to explain how and why he considers himself Erisian rather than Discordian.
I know that he's proud to be among those who love Eris.

Fair enough.  Can you tell me why you call yourself a Discordian rather than an Erisian?

That's easy. I don't remember why I decided to call myself Discordian rather than Erisian.
I'm sure I had a good reason at the time, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it was.

Sorry

i am an erisian, part of whom is a discordian.

i'm also a discordian, part of whom is erisian.

i'm also something completely different.

what a discordian is, ad verbatum, is someone who believes in the discordant properties of Eris/Discordia, as per greek mythos, the Principia, or any 'Discord Based' ideology. this means (as per me), those
see the oppertunity to cause mayhem of some degree by means of a
distructive route. An erisian, verbatum, is someone who Follows/Believes in/Worships, etc, Eris of greek mythology. for the sake of semantics and
dualistic pluralism, though, we'll say that an erisian is one of the Discordian (TM) Faith(?) who prefers to employ the creative route as a primary means of propagating Chaos.

not to imply that either of this caste (creative/destructive) doesn't ever
employ, or does not enjoy, or appreciate the other. we all follow along that same path within our own paths. we acknowledge the double-dualistic matrix of Order/Disorder-Creative/Destructive. acknowledging that dualism means we experience it in cycles, and if you know well enough of cycles, one can break the cycle and free roam that matix. (or any matrix.
call it "Debugging")

NOW. . .

roger, i hear what you're saying, and i understand and even share the feeling you're expressing.

BUT. . .

i fail to see how you expect to rally others by saying 'hey, you're probably one of those people just blowing smoke out yer ass...so fuck off." remember that one hand does one thing, and another does another,
but they serve the same body.

without both hands, how could the juggling take place?
you yourself, rog, said that you didn't see much diff between SubGenius and DIscordianism. i see appendages.

not telling you what to do, just saying...

a discordian could be someone who prefers to cause chaos, jsut as an erisian could be one who worships. either coudleb one that appreciates both and enjoys watchign the counterpush pull as the state collapses. or maybe thats a chaoist.

there is no matrix anywhere.

Quotethere is no matrix anywhere.

and the one you create? to interact? that's not a matrix, however temporary, of ideas, choices, perceptions and happenstance? etc?
well, were one to wish a different symbol be used, go for it. but the symbol is the same.

otherwise, yes to all of the above, including this statement/

you mean the bio/psychological filters adn the .3second gap between what is and what we percieve?

i wouldnt' call it a matrix, i'd call it perception, urgh.

unless you're talkign abotu metaprogramming, which is related as well to rpocesing incomign information and reactons to it, as well as nonreactionary behaviour and so on and so forth.

why break it? breaking it leads to bad magumbo and general insanity. why? because our nature(that is of humans) i sno t purely defined psychologically but bilogically as well, adn order adn disorder are one fo th eprimary dualisitc forces of the universe, push[pullign each othe rto drive the great machine. there are cycles of a sort, btu it's mroe like el nino and the weather in general than any sort of soemtimes it's blue, sometimes its red. or soemtimes it's winter here, and nto there, wher eit is spring whiel whenit is sumemr here it is fall over here and winter fver there, while it is raining in winter spring and smmer, and snowing in hjuly over there, during summer, and sunny and balmy in janary over here, whiel voer ehre there are tornadoes and over there there is not even a breeze and so on and so forth.

Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of Doom

Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy

Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomI'll leave it to Verthaine to explain how and why he considers himself Erisian rather than Discordian.
I know that he's proud to be among those who love Eris.

Fair enough.  Can you tell me why you call yourself a Discordian rather than an Erisian?

That's easy. I don't remember why I decided to call myself Discordian rather than Erisian.
I'm sure I had a good reason at the time, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it was.

Sorry

See, this is why I hate labels, some silly person like me comes along asking questions, hehehe :shock:  :twisted:

Are Discordians and Erisians the same thing or not?  Whether you identify as a Discordian or an Erisian, she is known by both Greeks and Romans as the Goddess of DISCORD!

Very few people are discordant all the time, which is why I think of myself as more of a quasian and paradoxian.  Paradoxian because sometimes I do discordant things to relax like listening to metal or killing and slicing people up for Bella [FBI paranoia](metaphorically speaking of course)[/FBI paranoia].  Ah the peace of psychosis.

Hats off to Roger.

It's about time we took back Discordianism!

Myself, I am redeyed Discordian. A messiah, a saint, and some other shit that impresses Baptists after I slap them around a bit.

I am also Erisian....as in the old Hellenic cult of Eris worship. But we'll leave that one for another day. I am not here to push my religion.

I am here to push Discordianism. While it's still legal.

Hell, you can't complain. It's better than Scientology.

Quote from: OMAre Discordians and Erisians the same thing or not?  Whether you identify as a Discordian or an Erisian, she is known by both Greeks and Romans as the Goddess of DISCORD!

Very few people are discordant all the time, which is why I think of myself as more of a quasian and paradoxian.  Paradoxian because sometimes I do discordant things to relax like listening to metal or killing and slicing people up for Bella [FBI paranoia](metaphorically speaking of course)[/FBI paranoia].  Ah the peace of psychosis.

they are simulataneously different and identical. discordia is the arcane synonym. the harmonious antonym, the peaceful strife.

Personally, I do think everyone is discordian, whether they admit it or not.  As I see it if you are doing to work of the goddess you are discordian, even if you are merely a discordian puppet.

People like Bush and Hussein and Kissenger should have a special place in discordianism, in my opinion, some distinct class of discordian.  The blind discordians, or something similar.

I consider myself Discordian and Erisian.  Why should I deny myself anything?

I'm not in the mood to go into semantics today, but I'd say that Roger (and Turd) tend to exemplify Discordian thought, and Verthaine (and gnimbley) tend to exemplify Erisian thought.



Maybe.  I could be lying.


LMNO
-Erisian.

isn't it called 'anerisic' ? those non-chaos liking people that just seem to spread it around, not matter how they try the opposite?

and re: horab...
yes, i agree there, but the dualism of creation/destruction, etc is only a distiction we make in our mind. CHAOS is chaos, no matter how you divide it or what you call it, the concept is. but we, in our minds, seperate the aspects of CHAOS, and call it polarity.

the average person will have a perception matrix very esily defined as a
"good/bad" system. i'm also talking about metaprogramming, conscious and otherwise. 'not knowing' how to metaprogram doesn't mean someone can't accidentally metaprogram.. (though, intentional metaprogramming, i like to call debugging or matrix roaming or some other metaphoric witticism...)

as for your analogy for enviornmental parallels...that's just earth-perspective. almost none of us have existed in space *off the planet*. call me crazy (aren't we all?) but i'm one of those people who has the suspicion that we're headed for the stars if we don't kill everyone first.

planet-side life is always subject to cycles, but do we know anything else yet?

From the PD...  take it for what it's worth:

Eristic Illusion = The belief that disorder is better than order.

Aneristic Illusion = The Belief that order is better than disorder.

"Aneristic" behaviour is usually referred to here as the majority of behaviour by Greyfaces.

I'm both.

Quote from: LMNOFrom the PD...  take it for what it's worth:

Eristic Illusion = The belief that disorder is better than order.

Aneristic Illusion = The Belief that order is better than disorder.

"Aneristic" behaviour is usually referred to here as the majority of behaviour by Greyfaces.

They are called illusions because order is actually chaos and because chaos is actually order.

It's a topsy turvy world.

Nice try, but you apparently haven't been reading the (w)Holey texts...

Who me?  I read the principia discordia and I think it's full of candy apple love and shit.  I just started reading the Illuminatus! trilogy which also appears to be full of shit and candy.

Fair enough.

Hey, I'm not saying its a requirement, I'm just saying you shouldn't comment on what I have to say if you don't know what I'm saying.

Well damn, LMNO, that'd eliminate half the posts on here.

You say that like it's a bad thing.




LMNO
-Seems to be catching whatever it is that's going around.

Quote from: LMNOYou say that like it's a bad thing.




LMNO
-Seems to be catching whatever it is that's going around.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

does this mean we will march on a road of fluff?

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[Willy Wonka, Old School]
Strike that; reverse it.
[/Willy Wonka, Old School]

Quote from: Tomorrow Comes Todaydoes this mean we will march on a road of fluff?

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No, I am sitting on all the fluff, at the moment.

Quote from: LMNO[Willy Wonka, Old School]
Strike that; reverse it.
[/Willy Wonka, Old School]

Too late.  You're one of US now.  The change is irreversable.

:twisted:

Actually, that was in response to TCT - if we eliminate the posts that have no idea what they're talking about, that leaves the clever trolls and most of the non-fluff (and the really clever fluff).


Or at least that's the theory.


LMNO
-Marching on a road of rhetoric.

let's not bog this operation down with facts.

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Agreed.

Did you know that when spun at a certain velocity, a puppy will actually begin to sound like Ralph Nader?

Quote from: LMNOAgreed.

Did you know that when spun at a certain velocity, a puppy will actually begin to sound like Ralph Nader?

:lol:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nader.php

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerIn which The Good Rev disagrees with the other Ancient Wiseguys(tm)

Quote from: Verthaine

Never been a discordian.never claimed to be

Well, I never thought I'd see the day.  The day that we let our movement become so "mystical" that nobody dares claim to be a Discordian(tm), because that might be arrogant, or some such nonsense.

OF COURSE IT'S ARROGANT, BOBDAMMIT!  Or at least "egotistical".  Well, I have news for you, Sparky...you'll never get through life with a shriveled up ego.

Is this discordianism, or some Buddhism-style bullshit?  "Oh, I can't claim to actually BE a discordian, because I might be making a claim of being enlightened!  SINCE WHEN HAS DISCORDIANISM INVOLVED "ENLIGHTENMENT"?  Horseshit.  It's about getting your yuks in, before THEY shut us down.

The only thing goofier than the above is all that rot about "Everyone is a discordian".  More bullshit.  While it may be true that most people promote chaos, it is also true that they do so unwittingly...Which is like saying that you're Jewish because you didn't happen to eat pork today.  In other words, even though the Pentagon, for example, creates more chaos than most nations, I seriously doubt there is a single discordian inside that vast hive of incompetence.

In other words:  Eligibility for discordian sainthood != being a discordian.

Now, the Rev isn't trying to say who, in particular, is or is not a "true discordian(tm)", so don't trot that tired bullshit out.  What I am saying is that discordians DO exist, and some of YOU are discordians, whether or not you feel "worthy" to bear that title...or whether or not you even WANT it.

As for myself, I am PROUD to be a discordian.  I am PROUD to toss sand in the gears, for good or for ill.  And if you think that makes me a "poser" or "arrogant", well, you can just jam that straight up your ass...because if I am not inclined to listen to the government, which has guns and berserk police dogs, well, I'm hardly likely to listen to you.

Or Kill Me.

TGRR,
Taking discordianism(tm) back.

Love ya bro.I have nothing against being a discordian,but I am not ashamed to say that I am not one either.I(emphasis on the word I.These are only  my opinions that I am stating) have always maintained a distinct difference between being a discordian and being an Erisian(but again,thats just me).Everyone is unwittingly discordian,but not everyone is an Erisian.I rarely call Goddess by her Roman Name. With the exeption of writing"Hail Eris,All hail Discordia,I never refer to her by that name(I prefer Hail Eris,Goddess is Good,but thats just me).

In my opinion,discordianism isn't  about " getting your yuks in, before THEY shut us down.",but using yuks to prevent them from shutting US down

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with being a little arrogant,a little proud(i'm a leo,so I get accused of being arrogant a lot.You know what,fuck em). I am proud of my relationship with Eris.

Quote from: Verthaine

In my opinion,discordianism isn't  about " getting your yuks in, before THEY shut us down.",but using yuks to prevent them from shutting US down

Optimist.  You can't stop the machine.

Other than that, okay.  That explains the quote that had so puzzled me.

[sits back to watch the counter push-pull as 'order' takes a small place again...but for how long? stay tuned!]

I strongly agree, Rog. Exactly what needed to be said right now. I think we're all starting to get over-pseudo-mystical.

Except you might be misinterpreting that "everyone is a Discordian" thing, though. I don't think anyone's saying that everyone literally is a Discordian, but rather that all six billion people on Earth are just as much of a pope as Benedict is, because authority's an illusion, a societary hang-up, and Discordianism is supposed to be about personal empowerment instead of revering some priest and doing his laundry for him.

Quote from: Chaplin_Sinatra_FonzarellI strongly agree, Rog. Exactly what needed to be said right now. I think we're all starting to get over-pseudo-mystical.

Except you might be misinterpreting that "everyone is a Discordian" thing, though. I don't think anyone's saying that everyone literally is a Discordian, but rather that all six billion people on Earth are just as much of a pope as Benedict is, because authority's an illusion, a societary hang-up, and Discordianism is supposed to be about personal empowerment instead of revering some priest and doing his laundry for him.

Hogwash.

Don't lump ME in with Cletus and Jethro.

I say we march on a road of Discordians!

May as well eat ourselves first before the machine eats us.

Yes, yes, EAT ME, HUGH, EAT ME!

Pfft, Roger, you BELONG with Cletus and Jethro and their sister named Clide (incidently I share some amount of DNA with a woman named Clide...).

Quote from: Zurtok KhanYes, yes, EAT ME, HUGH, EAT ME!

Pfft, Roger, you BELONG with Cletus and Jethro and their sister named Clide (incidently I share some amount of DNA with a woman named Clide...).

Yes, they ARE my people, for good or for ill.

And in 2 weeks, I'm going back where I belong.

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Quote from: LMNOFrom the PD...  take it for what it's worth:

Eristic Illusion = The belief that disorder is better than order.

Aneristic Illusion = The Belief that order is better than disorder.

"Aneristic" behaviour is usually referred to here as the majority of behaviour by Greyfaces.

Very important distinction: all to often people here get caught up in the Eristic (Discordian) Illusion, as so many humorless dolts are caught up in the Aneristic (Concordian) Illusion.

Therein lies the problem with defining Discordians: they do not worship Eris/Discordia, but they do recognise that chaos is just as important as order when egaging on a creative trip.

To me, though, the question is rather easily solved: a Discordian is anybody who considers himself one. No need to add members against their will (except for enlightenment and entertainment, of course). It has nothing to do with what rites you practice, what clothes you wear or your taste in music.

If in doubt, just remember the old mantra "Ha Ha Only Serious!"