I've decided I know how to stop prison riots. With guns. Lots of guns. When prisoners riot they should bring in the national guard and shoot the fuckers.
The same goes for people convicted of rape, child molestation, or anything like that. Of course, in these cases their genitals should be put in a plastic shredder and then they should be shot 3 days later.
The Liberal Pussies in this county need to shut the fuck up about crime, they aren't doing anything good.
What, you think I'm being too harsh? The punishment should fit the crime.
When we start actually punishing people for their crimes, they will think twice before being so heinous.
That is all.
Quote from: Zurtok KhanI've decided I know how to stop prison riots. With guns. Lots of guns. When prisoners riot they should bring in the national guard and shoot the fuckers.
The same goes for people convicted of rape, child molestation, or anything like that. Of course, in these cases their genitals should be put in a plastic shredder and then they should be shot 3 days later.
The Liberal Pussies in this county need to shut the fuck up about crime, they aren't doing anything good.
What, you think I'm being too harsh? The punishment should fit the crime.
When we start actually punishing people for their crimes, they will think twice before being so heinous.
That is all.
Okay, Kid Wonder has just solved the crime problem. It's amazing that this novel approach has never been tried before. :lol:
For his next trick, he will tell us all how to solve the world's economic problems. Based on this little screed, it will probably involve tax cuts to the rich, and no bid contracts to Halliburton. The wisdom of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz will probably figure into it, as well.
(He also seems to have absolutely no knowledge of the history of criminal justice).
So, join us next week, when our favorite hair-shirt punishment freak tells us all how to solve the world's problems.
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Pfft, liberal pussies. We dont need prisions. Just shoot suspected criminals. Its working so far in London.
Quote from: Zurtok KhanI've decided I know how to stop prison riots. With guns. Lots of guns. When prisoners riot they should bring in the national guard and shoot the fuckers.
The same goes for people convicted of rape, child molestation, or anything like that. Of course, in these cases their genitals should be put in a plastic shredder and then they should be shot 3 days later.
The Liberal Pussies in this county need to shut the fuck up about crime, they aren't doing anything good.
What, you think I'm being too harsh? The punishment should fit the crime.
When we start actually punishing people for their crimes, they will think twice before being so heinous.
That is all.
stupidest thing you've said since you got caught hitting on Janet Reno at the club.
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Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerFor his next trick, he will tell us all how to solve the world's economic problems. Based on this little screed, it will probably involve tax cuts to the rich, and no bid contracts to Halliburton. The wisdom of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz will probably figure into it, as well.
OMG! Zurtok Khan is Prickley! We better keep this from fluffy. She still
has that butcher knife.
Quote from: East Coast HustleQuote from: Zurtok KhanI've decided I know how to stop prison riots. With guns. Lots of guns. When prisoners riot they should bring in the national guard and shoot the fuckers.
The same goes for people convicted of rape, child molestation, or anything like that. Of course, in these cases their genitals should be put in a plastic shredder and then they should be shot 3 days later.
The Liberal Pussies in this county need to shut the fuck up about crime, they aren't doing anything good.
What, you think I'm being too harsh? The punishment should fit the crime.
When we start actually punishing people for their crimes, they will think twice before being so heinous.
That is all.
stupidest thing you've said since you got caught hitting on Janet Reno at the club.
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Legalize pot,and we wouldn't have so may danm prisoners to begin with.
Quote from: VerthaineLegalize pot,and we wouldn't have so may danm prisoners to begin with.
Yep, about half as many. We would also have to pay less in taxes because a lot of those people were hard working law abiding citizens who paid taxes until their mandatory sentences that are longer than violent criminals.
the problem with that idea is that the prison-industrial complex NEEDS those prisoners. Should pot be legalized, they'll just find them somewhere else. Pot should be legalized because it would provide a HUGE source of tax revenue, but that's not the point. Legalizing pot fails to address the underlying problem of the relationships between prisons (which are increasingly being privatized) and the companies that use that pool of abundant cheap labor to vastly increase their profit margins without having to suffer the stigma of having outsourced to a foreign country.
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Quote from: East Coast Hustlethe problem with that idea is that the prison-industrial complex NEEDS those prisoners. Should pot be legalized, they'll just find them somewhere else. Pot should be legalized because it would provide a HUGE source of tax revenue, but that's not the point. Legalizing pot fails to address the underlying problem of the relationships between prisons (which are increasingly being privatized) and the companies that use that pool of abundant cheap labor to vastly increase their profit margins without having to suffer the stigma of having outsourced to a foreign country.
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SOMEBODY has to man the call centers at $0.50/hr.
Why do you think Wackenhut is the largest lobbyist for prison sentences for non-violent crimes?
In case anyone else was wondering WTF Wackenhut is
http://www.wackenhut.com/
Quote from: DonkeyotayIn case anyone else was wondering WTF Wackenhut is
http://www.wackenhut.com/
Purveyor of rentacops, private armies, and fine private prisons, the world over.
To stop prison riots...Why don't we just release all the prisoners?
Whee!
Could create an Island and stick all the violent criminals there... let them fend for themselves... The last one standing then wins a chance at returning to society. If they videotaped it, they would have created a reality show that even I would watch.
Quote from: unlike_someoneCould create an Island and stick all the violent criminals there... let them fend for themselves...
That's been done many times. Beginning in the 17th century, prisoners could opt for deportation to America. This is how a lot of our forebears arrived on these shores in the first place. They had to pay their own way over, or else find a sponsor, and they had to stay for a certain period of time. In 1718 the first Transportation Act allowed the courts to sentence felons guilty of serious offenses to seven years transportation to America. In 1720 a further statute authorized payments by the state to the merchants who contracted to take the convicts to America.
The first Transportation Act also allowed those guilty of capital offences and pardoned by the king to be sentenced to transportation, and it established returning from transportation as a capital offence. This practice came to a screeching halt in 1776 when the Revolutionary War broke out, so the British looked around for another remote location to use as a prison colony and settled on Australia. When the last shipment of convicts disembarked in Western Australia in 1868, the total number of transported convicts stood at around 162,000 men and women. They were transported here on 806 ships.
Between 1852 and 1946, France sent 70 000 prisoners to French Guiana, forcing them to mine for gold and cut wood in the forests. Though estimates vary widely, historians estimate between 25 and 50 percent of inmates died of diseases like malaria and yellow fever, hunger or prison violence.
legalizing pot is ahard thing to do, because as turd pointed out, it
fuels prison head counts.
not just that, but overall, prisons aside, pot is far more profitable to
gov't as a whole to legalize it. (even with tax revenue that would be generated
by legalizing and taxing it.)
back to the prisons:
last i read the stats (about 1998, and the numbers have likely grown since then,)
the prison system holds about 5% of our economy. something like
15 percent of our population (USA) was in prison systems, and some
20-25% of the world's total incarcerated population was in the USA.
that's a large portion of the economy at stake there.
prisons ARE more and more and more privatized. that means the companies
that run them aren't concerned about rehabing 'criminals' to subvert their
violence, or to redirect their habits, and far more concerned with getting
a high head count and lots of money.
the risk of sounding overly anti-capitalism here:
pharmacutical corporations don't want tomake you better, they need you
to be sick to make money off you.
finance companies don't wnat you to be well-to-do, they need you in
debt to make more money off you.
i posit, also, that private security corporations that run prison systems
don't want you to be good citizens, they need youto be criminals so they
can make money off you.
I know that we have historically sent prisoners away, but didn't we send them with the tools to create a small society for themsekves?
What if they were just sent with the bare essentials, a knife, some water and a little bit of food... Seeing as most people lack basic survival skills (how many people out there can say they know how to bait and set up a trap, start a fire and build a shelter with just a knife) it would be an interesting experiment... Might thinks its a little cruel... but I'd rather contend with nature than live in a little box...
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What if they were just sent with the bare essentials, a knife, some water and a little bit of food... Seeing as most people lack basic survival skills (how many people out there can say they know how to bait and set up a trap, start a fire and build a shelter with just a knife)
i can. when i was 14 and started debating with people about my (at the time)
new found glory of anarchism, i got the shit rebutted out of me. well, shit
yeah, i did...i was fucking 14 talking like i knew it all.
someone brought to my attention that if i were to be a 'real' anarchist,
someone striving for liberty and individualism, and independence, the
ability to make what i need, live how i want and not require anyone's help,
should study some stuff like practical sciences, animal husbandry, farming,
basic/practical archecture, wilderness survival, disaster survival, etc etc etc
etc etc....
ertc....
basically, stuff i would need to know in order to be able to live removed from
society, no power grid, no grocery stores, no plumbing, no anything that
i use on a regular basis.
and it hit me that he was totally right. i was a punk ass kid that didn't
realize what he was getting into. shortly after that conversation, i let go
of some hostility and bitter resentment, chilled out a little and actually set
to learning stuff like that.
i'm glad i wasn't a boyscout or anything, but i think everyone should be taught
those survival skills.
also, i'd recommend to anyone who has the balls to do it:
try taking a survival training course or something equally instructional, and
then try REALLY ruffing it in the wilderness for a week.
If pot was legalized it wouldn't make the govenment that much money. Who's going to pay taxes on plants you can grow in your yard or home if its legal?
Decriminalization would be a better solution, allowing police to ticket people who are stupid enough to break the rules, like smoking in public, growing or selling in public.
If it was legal to grow and smoke it in your home but a ticketable offence anywhere else the gov. would rake in the dough, stoners love getting high in parks and on the street, at least in the Toronto area.
A thought on drugs...
If you want to do heroin and live in an abandoned factory, you are going to find a way...
Why not make everything legal? The whole "war on drugs" really doesn't do more than glorify the entire scene. Really, if you want to destroy your brain cells and gurgle for hours on end, why should someone tell you that you can't? Just make them sign a waver preventing them from seeking medical help relating to their drug use. I don't think that there is anyone in North American that can say they haven't heard drugs are bad..
I know the risks that I take when I drink, toke etc... I wouldn't indulge if I felt it was too dangerous.
Quote from: Cap'n FnordIf pot was legalized it wouldn't make the govenment that much money. Who's going to pay taxes on plants you can grow in your yard or home if its legal?
Well, it is legal to grow your own vegetables, but most people still get most of them from the grocery store.
yeah, I mean, nobody grows their own tobacco. every pack of Camels you buy, the retail price is about $2.50, the rest is taxes. now, in Maine, they just upped the per-pack tax by a dollar, so a pack of camels will cost $6 in a couple weeks when that takes effect. that's $3.50 per pack in tax revenue. in a state with 1.2 million people, at least 200,000 of whom are adult smokers, if they smoke an average of 5 packs a week, that's 3.5 million dollars per week in tax revenue.
now imagine they get $5 in tax revenue on a pack of joints, and extrapolate the math to a national scale. the numbers are significant.
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I think that generally most people are too lazy to raise their children let alone their own crops. Besides, the junk food/fast food industry would sky rocket... not to mention all the money to be made off of fad diets. Really, by legalizing pot they'd have a cash crop to replace tobacco with... (not that the goverment would actually do that...)
Quote from: unlike_someoneI think that generally most people are too lazy to raise their children let alone their own crops. Besides, the junk food/fast food industry would sky rocket... not to mention all the money to be made off of fad diets. Really, by legalizing pot they'd have a cash crop to replace tobacco with... (not that the goverment would actually do that...)
You know, I've never understood why most of the potheads I've met are skinny. It doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Zurtok KhanQuote from: unlike_someoneI think that generally most people are too lazy to raise their children let alone their own crops. Besides, the junk food/fast food industry would sky rocket... not to mention all the money to be made off of fad diets. Really, by legalizing pot they'd have a cash crop to replace tobacco with... (not that the goverment would actually do that...)
You know, I've never understood why most of the potheads I've met are skinny. It doesn't make sense.
Cuz they're hippies, yo!
Quote from: Zurtok KhanQuote from: unlike_someoneI think that generally most people are too lazy to raise their children let alone their own crops. Besides, the junk food/fast food industry would sky rocket... not to mention all the money to be made off of fad diets. Really, by legalizing pot they'd have a cash crop to replace tobacco with... (not that the goverment would actually do that...)
You know, I've never understood why most of the potheads I've met are skinny. It doesn't make sense.
Because they spent their grocery mmoney on herb :lol:
I know a few over-weight potheads... most of them just have nice jobs that provide them with abundant munchies...
Like hot dogs in cream cheese icing... weird guy
i'm a skinny head and the reason is because it is impossible for me to get fat at this time. i can eat till the cows come home but i don't get fat. i tired toget fat, and didn;t work. woe is me.
Quote from: Horab Fibslageri'm a skinny head and the reason is because it is impossible for me to get fat at this time. i can eat till the cows come home but i don't get fat. i tired toget fat, and didn;t work. woe is me.
I have a friend like that, she used to wear a size 0, then she turned 30, had 2 kids and quit smoking, not in that order and she put on 15 pounds and wears a size 2. I love her too much to hate her. She was going through a bad patch once and I would talk to her like a little kid, just one more bite, just one more bite. It was frustrating for both of us.