Rant 146
The Big Lie
"Any religious argument against scientific innovations such as stem-cell research are discredited by history. Remember when there were religious arguments against democracy, women suffrage, or ending slavery?"
-Tequilarius Malignatus
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson
"Preaching From a Pulpit of Bones."
-Title of a Book
Sometimes I think that a bunch of Discordians going around pranking the blue-jesus out of people, or hailing Eris, or reading the PD while hallucinating about colored animals...sometimes I think that such a group doesn't add up to a damned thing. But then again, who really cares? Looking out at the serious revolutionary groups and the political parties and even the small groups of people who just want to "smash the filthy thing," I can't honestly say those groups add up to all that much either. At least the Discordians can be fun at times (and irritating at other times).
There are many walks of life and many individual takes on life. The thing to remember is just because you don't understand something or think something is smart doesn't mean it is stupid or ineffective. Discordianism is not about what you may think it is. Also remember that if Discordianism is about the promotion of discord, as many of you seem to like to often repeat, the fact that others disagree with your approach is in itself discord. I can hear some of you mentally cringe now. Your preconceived political notions as to what Discordians should do with or to society and all of your other schemas and ideas are just that. And you must realize that no one else really has to give a damn about what you think.
Who really cares about "smashing" the state? Or about all the other tired-out cliches left over from the latter sixties and seventies when Maoism was cool among privileged white radicals? Do you think Eris cares? Do you think any of Her children care? Do you think anyone else who may or may not like Eris (let alone believe in Her) yet calls themselves Discordian has to care about your agenda?
Some of you who are loudest at complaining about how much your "freedoms" are being eroded are the worst offenders against the very practice of individual freedoms. You don't like people when they are different from you, when they really couldn't give even an ounce of their shit about your ideas, or when they simply just keep on trucking in their own lives, oblivious to your threats of impending DOOM. I know there is impending DOOM and that there is DUMB all around, but I don't get my panties all in a bunch over it, nor do I really give much of a care whether others agree. What matters to me is the kind of person you are, not the clothes you wear, the color of your hair-dye, or the ideas you claim to support. The substance of your life is more important to me than the accoutrements. Dare I say that, as far as Eris is concerned, that is pretty much all that matters?
I can hear some of you say, "But wait a minute, Irreverend Hugh, you were the one who tossed neat and shiny apples all over the place, you stirred up shit in the name of various plans, jihads, and jakes in the name of Operation Mindfuck. What gives?"
What gives? Thinking for yourselves. That's what gives. Anything less than free thought and action is the sign of a stingy being, enslaved to the very real possibility of belief in those things that rhyme with ford.
Why do I, and many of my fellow Erisian/Discordian cohorts give no cares to some of you and your serious state-smashing schemes? Because that's just the way we work. (And also because some of you are no longer amusing.) Suck it up and either join with us, gather others around you who like what you say or do and go off and form your own groups, or be alone. It can all be good, if you should incline to approach life from this perspective. Being into happiness and fun and getting some enjoyment out of life doesn't necessarily mean we will turn into a bunch of hippie slap happy fluff bunnies. And considering some of the behaviors of many of you serious people as of late, even the hippies don't seem so bad. In fact, they aren't bad at all.
The Discordian Society isn't here to give you therapy (though we do offer you enlightenment on a silver fucking platter and some of you dupes still haven't gotten it). Hell, I can give you therapy, but chances are, you don't have the money to afford my treatment anyway. (But I am still a couple years away from being licensed, so you may have time to save up.) The Discordian Society is here to make sure you serious people have somewhere to turn when you are in need of tickles, thrills, and all around Pan-Erisian diddling. Anything less than this is merely religious, and if you want merely religious things, you know there are places you can go where they will gladly take your donations so you can deceive yourself into thinking you have avoided some fictitious hell.
Yeah. And you had better fucking believe I will stand here on my soapbox and preach to you about what I may or may not think is the purpose of the Discordian Society. Why? Because I can use the best of circular reasoning to defend my sermons and rants and views and opinions, that's why. Is there a point to all of this? Hell yes. But if you haven't found it yet, perhaps it's because you really do exist to provide some of us with entertainment. If Eris is laughing then all is right in the world. Does that worry or console you? Liar!
November 19th, 2005
-Irreverend Hugh, KSC;
PMM Co-Episkopos, Pan-Goddess Diddling Witch of the Coven of Macha, Arch-Deacon and Rabbi of the International Great Discordian Jihad, spokesperson of slack, and covert cohort of the Church of Eris. (And a whole lot of other amusing titles and credentials which may or may not have any relevance, depending on who you are and what you want.)
QuoteAlso remember that if Discordianism is about the promotion of discord, as many of you seem to like to often repeat, the fact that others disagree with your approach is in itself discord.
I have to say a sly grin appeared on my face when I read this. Discord is apparent regardless. Agreement leads to Discord in the future, as any ideology is not as flexible as reality. And disagreement leads to Discord here and now. Discord "wins", regardless.
Discord always wins.
From chaos all comes and to chaos all goes.
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson
There are many walks of life and many individual takes on life. The thing to remember is just because you don't understand something or think something is smart doesn't mean it is stupid or ineffective.
The first quote was my favorite part, a lot of politicians should have the glued to their foreheads.
It really is too easy to think that when someone disagrees that they are an idiot. A silly git, a stupid sod, that they have their heads up their asses, that they don't understand. Sometimes they just have a different perspective based on their life experiences. Sometimes they really are stupid gits. :lol:
I disagree with some of the content here, namely in that I think that "serious state-smashers" DO serve an important (and indeed crucially necessary) purpose, but I'll still hand out some style points cuz I like the WAY you rant, even if I don't like what you're ranting ABOUT.
it's too bad, cuz the "serious state-smashers" could use someone like you.
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i do have to agree with ech
death to poultry is one of the best writers, if not the best writer, on this board
Quote from: East Coast HustleI disagree with some of the content here, namely in that I think that "serious state-smashers" DO serve an important (and indeed crucially necessary) purpose, but I'll still hand out some style points cuz I like the WAY you rant, even if I don't like what you're ranting ABOUT.
it's too bad, cuz the "serious state-smashers" could use someone like you.
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I poke fun at them because I used to be into that sort of thinking. I actually respect some of them, though. But sometimes they get too serious and full of themselves. Then again we all do that.
Quote from: fluffy
i do have to agree with ech
death to poultry is one of the best writers, if not the best writer, on this board
He's certainly the most prolific. And his standards remain high, no matter how much he posts.
Spot on and irrefutable as ever, KSC. I was afeared that the anti fluff thingy was all we would see for a while, not close enough to the pagan community to grasp that one.
Quote from: Lord Daddy LombrosisSpot on and irrefutable as ever, KSC. I was afeared that the anti fluff thingy was all we would see for a while, not close enough to the pagan community to grasp that one.
What's wrong with anti-fluff?
TGRR,
Is honestly puzzled.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerWhat's wrong with anti-fluff?
I do not know. What I was saying was that I do not know enough about the pagan communities to understand the points he was making in his prior rant.
Quote from: Lord Daddy LombrosisQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerWhat's wrong with anti-fluff?
I do not know. What I was saying was that I do not know enough about the pagan communities to understand the points he was making in his prior rant.
Fluff in general is undesirable (im my opinion, of course).
The hammer is in mid swing, and it's past time to get some
serious yuks in.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe hammer is in mid swing, and it's past time to get some serious yuks in.
Indeed. Let's party like it's the end of the world, 'cuz it is, cuz!
Quote from: Lord Daddy LombrosisQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe hammer is in mid swing, and it's past time to get some serious yuks in.
Indeed. Let's party like it's the end of the world, 'cuz it is, cuz!
Troof.
TGRR,
Likes you better when you post under your regular moniker, though.
Quote from: Lord Daddy LombrosisQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe hammer is in mid swing, and it's past time to get some serious yuks in.
Indeed. Let's party like it's the end of the world, 'cuz it is, cuz!
when the fuck is the media gonna pick up on this?
Quote from: LHXQuote from: Lord Daddy LombrosisQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerThe hammer is in mid swing, and it's past time to get some serious yuks in.
Indeed. Let's party like it's the end of the world, 'cuz it is, cuz!
when the fuck is the media gonna pick up on this?
Right about the time they apologize for spending 5 years sucking Bush's cock.
its gonna be hard for them to talk with all that dick still in their mouth
Quote from: LHXits gonna be hard for them to talk with all that dick still in their mouth
Well, I wouldn't want to be seen talking to the fucking joke that is the Democrat party, either.
They are such pussies, it makes my teeth itch just watching them.
Dick Durbin (D-IL): "What's going on at Gitmo stinks of Nazism!"
Tom DeLay (R-TX): "What the fuck did you say?"
Dick Durbin: "Nothing, sir! Here's your coffee, sir!"
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: LHXits gonna be hard for them to talk with all that dick still in their mouth
Well, I wouldn't want to be seen talking to the fucking joke that is the Democrat party, either.
They are such pussies, it makes my teeth itch just watching them.
Dick Durbin (D-IL): "What's going on at Gitmo stinks of Nazism!"
Tom DeLay (R-TX): "What the fuck did you say?"
Dick Durbin: "Nothing, sir! Here's your coffee, sir!"
Pretty nailed to a tee, Roger. The democratic party has lost its vertebrae. Even the damned fascit republicans have more backbone.
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCDiscord always wins.
From chaos all comes and to chaos all goes.
Order always wins.
From order all comes and to order all goes.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These are merely singular view points.
Quote from: neongenesis816Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCDiscord always wins.
From chaos all comes and to chaos all goes.
Order always wins.
From order all comes and to order all goes.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These are merely singular view points.
Order + Disorder = Chaos
Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
Quote from: neongenesis816Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
Chaos was the beginning and the sum of all potential. Still is. Order and disorder are merely the way we perceive chaos. Things that fit patterns we understand are considered orderly. Things that do not fit are considered disorderly. That is the position I am coming from.
Granted that most people usually equate chaos with disorder. Science does not. Neither do many Discordians. (Though that could be argued.)
Well, Eris is the goddess of Discord and Chaos, as my memory serves me. Which seems reasonable.
Quote from: neongenesis816Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
I don't know if I could define those terms to make that make sense, but I could give you examples, possibly in agonising detail, to make it make sense.
Quote from: CainWell, Eris is the goddess of Discord and Chaos, as my memory serves me. Which seems reasonable.
Well, of course. Because sometimes, especially after being snubbed disrepected and ignored for so long, She had to use Strife (which is what Eris means in Greek) against the fucking gits. That is why Discord comes into play. In some people's outlooks, Discord only arises when Chaos is not acknowledged, or when chaos' natural flow is blocked.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: neongenesis816Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
I don't know if I could define those terms to make that make sense, but I could give you examples, possibly in agonising detail, to make it make sense.
You people could at least make some shit up and convince me of it. GOD. At least get your shits n giggles playing on my gullibility. BUT NO, we have to be honest. :lol:
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: CainWell, Eris is the goddess of Discord and Chaos, as my memory serves me. Which seems reasonable.
Well, of course. Because sometimes, especially after being snubbed disrepected and ignored for so long, She had to use Strife (which is what Eris means in Greek) against the fucking gits. That is why Discord comes into play. In some people's outlooks, Discord only arises when Chaos is not acknowledged, or when chaos' natural flow is blocked.
I tend to think of Disorder as the natural process arising from order applied, with chaos as the whole system. More or less the same I suppose, just woth a time component added on.
Quote from: neongenesis816Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: neongenesis816Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
I don't know if I could define those terms to make that make sense, but I could give you examples, possibly in agonising detail, to make it make sense.
You people could at least make some shit up and convince me of it. GOD. At least get your shits n giggles playing on my gullibility. BUT NO, we have to be honest. :lol:
Well, I could actually end all of this very quickly and give you enlightenment on a silver platter for absolutely no cost to you.
You need to have a tinfoil hat, though.
OK I got one, what's next?!
*snigger*
Quote from: neongenesis816OK I got one, what's next?!
Your bowel movement.
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/lorenz/
This link is not too painful :lol:
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/lorenz/dominic/
This link has a program to download to create the Lorenz.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/complexity/java/lorenz.html
Java drawing of the Lorenz.
what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING we've been talking about?
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Mathematical explanations of disorder and order?
Yeah. Eldora, could you explain what you meant to say by those links?
Order + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
I blame the coke.
Quote from: CainI blame the coke.
Sometimes drugs work.
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: neongenesis816OK I got one, what's next?!
Your bowel movement.
I flushed it, but there was BM. WHAT NEXT!?
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: CainI blame the coke.
Sometimes drugs work.
The drugs dont work anymore if you're a member of the Verve
Quote from: CainQuote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: CainI blame the coke.
Sometimes drugs work.
The drugs dont work anymore if you're a member of the Verve
No they work, I was just high last night. And I'll be high again today too. :D
Quote from: neongenesis816Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: neongenesis816OK I got one, what's next?!
Your bowel movement.
I flushed it, but there was BM. WHAT NEXT!?
Eat something.
Quote from: neongenesis816Give me the definitions of the above mentioned words, and connect them logistically to make that mathematical formula correct then.
Then again the definition of a word is subjective to view point as well.
The proper answer to this question is, "Quit picking fleas out of my arse, baboon!"
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Nope, mathematics is my friend. :P
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Nope, mathematics is my friend. :P
Great. Tell us all about the number 23. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Nope, mathematics is my friend. :P
Great. Tell us all about the number 23. :rolleyes:
Uh, pretty sure that's numerology or the Skiddoo principle, but not really mathematics.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Nope, mathematics is my friend. :P
Great. Tell us all about the number 23. :rolleyes:
Uh, pretty sure that's numerology or the Skiddoo principle, but not really mathematics.
Numerology is not to be mistaken for mathematics.
Quote from: neongenesis816Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyOrder + Disorder = Chaos
Geez, I'm glad Cain is paying attention today.
The dictionary is your friend. Use it.
Nope, mathematics is my friend. :P
Great. Tell us all about the number 23. :rolleyes:
Uh, pretty sure that's numerology or the Skiddoo principle, but not really mathematics.
Numerology is not to be mistaken for mathematics.
And Eldora's links are not to be mistaken for a point, I assume.
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: neongenesis816
Numerology is not to be mistaken for mathematics.
And Eldora's links are not to be mistaken for a point, I assume.
Well, you can assume if you want, not really sure what your point is either.
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyQuote from: The Good Reverend RogerQuote from: neongenesis816
Numerology is not to be mistaken for mathematics.
And Eldora's links are not to be mistaken for a point, I assume.
Well, you can assume if you want, not really sure what your point is either.
That your links in no way supported your assertion.
Just saying.
It looked pretty cool, though.
In case anyone cares.
Chaos theory is about the hidden disorder in order and the hidden order in disorder. A few examples of patterns that can be explained with Chaos.
1 Weather patterns, I bet none of you are suprised by that.
2 The drip of a faucet.
3 Population distributions. Especially when you have a predator and prey relationship. This was one of the first things to be explained by Chaos. I think it was coyotes and rabbits, which is really appropriate. They couldn't find a pattern until they used Chaos, fractals and imaginary numbers. A bad winter or good summer can make things stop or go crazy.
Lots of other cool stuff.
But all of you seem to have forgotten Eris in your theories and calculations. For this snub you will be snot blocked.
Is that like a blocked nose?
eris was jsut used the snub for an excuse
she dint give a shit
she just a nasty bitch
i love her
I'm not sure... On the one hand I'd love to shuve a cork up your nostril and say "you can't rape the willing."
on the other hand there's that new chinese proverb. "nothing hides the taste of sour milk."
I suppose one of many possible answers is, once you sign up to be enlightened you can't go back, nor can you try and dodge responsibility when the going gets tough. Once committed always committed, whether you like it or not eh?
Quote from: The seer
once you sign up to be enlightened you can't go back, nor can you try and dodge responsibility when the going gets tough.
truethe new members are coming thru with some good shit
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCBut all of you seem to have forgotten Eris in your theories and calculations. For this snub you will be snot blocked.
So, that's what happened to my sinuses. No air will go through and my head hurts like someone beat me in my sleep :evil:
*passes Eldora some phenylephrine*
:)
Thanks I needed that. I sure am glad you aren't an idiot, so many doctors I have encountered are :roll:
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
So, that's what happened to my sinuses. No air will go through and my head hurts like someone beat me in my sleep
clearly, they didn't do a good enough job.
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I am warning you. I will have satisfaction GUARANTEED and Eris will eat all of your damned cookies and pie as I burn down your dream society.
Quote from: LHXeris was jsut used the snub for an excuse
she dint give a shit
she just a nasty bitch
i love her
I would agree with that, except that I think she is a nasty and funny bitch. Don't goubt for a Etobicoke second that she's laughing her ASS off at all of us meat-puppets.
whenever i meet eris
she always seem like one of those people what laugh on the inside
but
look at you with an expression of quiet judgment
bitch
bitch
bitch
bitch
bitch
(i love her)
Yeah, I'll go with that.
Quote from: LHXwhenever i meet eris
she always seem like one of those people what laugh on the inside
but
look at you with an expression of quiet judgment
bitch
bitch
bitch
bitch
bitch
(i love her)
Sounds like you are having an epiphany.
choking on an epiphany since 2002
Quote from: LHXchoking on an epiphany since 2002
Heh.
Pineal Barbecue?
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCQuote from: LHXchoking on an epiphany since 2002
Heh.
Pineal Barbecue?
hahahahaaaaaaaaa
nice terminology
it fits