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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 01, 2005, 10:01:27 PM

Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 01, 2005, 10:01:27 PM
Rant 149
Can You Do That?


"If you never believe the stories others tell you at face value, then why do you adamantly defend the stories you tell yourself about your life? Did you ever think about that? We will help you, but we won't endorse you until you unclog that ailing Pineal Gland and allow it to breathe some life for once. The only sacrifice that We, or Eris, will ever demand of you is your ignorance. Can you do that? Can you slaughter that fattened pig of ignorance that lays within your mind, choking your lifeblood out of you like a cancerous tumor?"
-from the 4th PMM statement

Well, can you? Can you just for one moment stop running around like a crazed headless zombie chicken chasing after every which whim that your corporate sponsors have told you to chase your whole life? Can you stop hating your neighbor just for the sake of hating and take a look around you and learn that that is exactly what the greyface armies and adherents of the conspiracy of normal want you to do? What? You are shocked that they want you to do as they do? (Not hating for reasons, unless it's their reasons. No. They like it when you hate just to hate. It keeps you occupied and easily controlled.) Can you realize the one insight of Robert Anton Wilson that should be burned into your memory, tatooed onto your forehead, and spray-painted across every billboard? You don't even know the one, do you? It goes "Humanity is a giant forced to live in a pigmy's hut. Instead of fighting one another for more space inside, we should be knocking the damned walls down!"

Can you finally sacrifice that one and only thing that Eris has ever demanded you do without...your ignorance? (Well, there is the matter of hot dog buns, but that is in contentious and virulent dispute since the disappearance of that huckster by the name of Malaclypse the Younger.) Can you look past the cliches of this stream of words and extract the message...the meme-destroying implication...the horrible insight that all this time you have been hacking away at your health and spirit in order to get to the advertised brand spanking new experiences that will for once and for all take away that hole inside your heart...that hole that gives you the sense of lack. (That hole, by the way, is simply the memory hole. And you know the cure for it.) Nothing the crowds of DUMB can sell you or offer you is designed to make you feel "real." Why should any of it? If you finally ever felt permanently real, you would stop buying their bottled air.

Instead, can you take the bottled air we give to you hand over fist for free...Gratis...No strings? We of the Discordian Society are here to tell you that you are free, and if you can't seem to walk upright and tell all the corporate-religious-political sponsors to go to hell, then we will continue following you around, pranking the snot out of your cranial space. Is this what you want? Trust me when I say this, we'll give it to you. "Why bother you," you ask? What right do we have to do this? What right do you have to contribute to the greyface takeover of the planet and its resources, all so that you can give yourself the delusion of satisfying your inculcated needs? For some comforts?

Every person who chooses mindlessness over awareness will eventually give to the planet anyway through the dissolution of their bodies. You don't need self-help therapy. You don't need all those plans, religions, and products. You don't need time to find yourself. (Look in a mirror, if you have trouble.) What you need is to divorce yourself from the one thing that keeps you tripping on that social crack that is consumerism. The one thing is, you guessed it, your ignorance. Can you do this? Can you live with the withdrawal that comes afterwards? (Well, shit. Many of us had problems doing that. Which is why we developed all of our silly rituals and games. Simple tools to get us over the hump so that the thought of Eris laughing no longer seems like something scary.)

Hell, if getting off the treadmill of grayness leaves you feeling unfulfilled, imagine how all this time you were wasting yourself buying into it. Perhaps if you just opened up for a moment, you would see that your lack of fulfillment is a lie that was placed into when you were a vulnerable child. (How many thousands of little messages on TV, in books, by teachers, family, friends, enemies, and so on?) If you weren't good enough then, you won't ever be now. They will never say that you are good enough. There will always be something more you need to buy or experience in order to keep up with those dumb ass Joneses. And that is the rub. That is how they do it. How they suck you into their game and get you to think that this game is the only one on the planet. Can you live without this constant push-pull at your most intimate thoughts and desires? If you can't, Eris may just keep nagging you to insanity. Or perhaps we will.

We are here to get you to slaughter your ignorance. Massacre your sense of lack. Sacrifice the need for any more of their crappy food, experiences, religions, teachings, and products. The life after the divorce from ignorance won't be perfect. Hell, no promises are made by any of us in the Discordian Society. (Unlike you-know-who, who promises you the sun and the stars, and never delivers...yet you fall for it every time, no matter how many times it hurts you.) They have told you that their hypertrophied emphasis on order will save you and give you security and all those things you need, yet you still feel like chasing after more. And their order has given what? War, crime, low wage hell, anxiety, social apathy, insecurity, violence, and hatred. Why is that? Can you see through it? Can you learn to use the Eris-given eyes to look around you and figure out what the hell is really going on? (Can you do it before She comes along and decides to say "Ah, Fuck it," and barbecues your pineal gland?)

Can you learn to laugh and be happy without needing the social crack that Greyface tells you is necessary to be fully alive? Can you learn to see through the con-jobs, the advertising, the touts, and the tall promises? (Can you live without bouncing between the high of anticipating the next new shiny product and the low of disappointment when you realize it fails to keep satisfying you?) And now you should know that it's no wonder so many people are developing attention deficit or bipolar disorders. Chaos bubbles up through the cracks...and if She can't do it in Her creatively ordered style, She'll percolate up some disorder through that background haze you call your sub-consciousness.

You can stand up for yourself. Think for yourself. You can live without ignorance. You can fill up the memory hole with the realization of who you are. You can laugh and cry and be happy and sad. You can be human and real without the need for any of what THEY tell you is necessary for being "real." We of the Discordian Society are here to help you in this. (At least it sounds good to us to stick to this story.) You don't have to fight over the damned shiny golden apples of discord that Eris has tossed into Grayface's consumerist feast. She'll give you better than that, if you can learn to know that you deserve better, if you can learn to start giving yourself better.

Can you do that?

November 30th, 2005
-Irreverend Hugh, KSC
PMM Co-Episkopos, Pan-Goddess Diddling Witch of the Coven of Macha, Arch-Deacon and Rabbi of the International Great Discordian Jihad, spokesperson of slack, and covert cohort of the Church of Eris. (And a whole lot of other amusing titles and credentials which may or may not have any relevance, depending on who you are and what you want.)

Day 547 of the DJ
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 01, 2005, 10:05:15 PM
Can I get a fucking "RAH"!

I especially liked this point, though it was mostly seperate from the rest of the rant

QuoteCan you stop hating your neighbor just for the sake of hating and take a look around you and learn that that is exactly what the greyface armies and adherents of the conspiracy of normal want you to do? What? You are shocked that they want you to do as they do? (Not hating for reasons, unless it's their reasons. No. They like it when you hate just to hate. It keeps you occupied and easily controlled.)

Its something that has been occupying my mind lately.  I may build on it later, assuming I dont get repetitve strain injury from all the other writing I'm meant to be doing.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 01, 2005, 10:46:22 PM
more midnight propaganda. whee!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Lord Daddy Lombrosis on December 02, 2005, 01:31:16 AM
*looks around*

...


*steals the silver platter*
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 02, 2005, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: Lord Daddy Lombrosis*looks around*

...


*steals the silver platter*

Don't matter. It was really made of tin anyway, sucker. We have fifty more where that one came from. Wouldn't you rather have a couple of AKs and a case of hand grenades?
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Lord Daddy Lombrosis on December 02, 2005, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCDon't matter. It was really made of tin anyway, sucker. We have fifty more where that one came from. Wouldn't you rather have a couple of AKs and a case of hand grenades?

I'll take the nades but AKs are too short range for me, I'll stick with my 308.  If they get in AK range I've got a shotgun anyway.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: LHX on December 02, 2005, 03:30:03 PM
the last two rants were

'why we do this?'
and
'you cant do that'



just an observation
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The seer on December 02, 2005, 03:54:29 PM
Think of it as a gigantic, rambling, soliloquy where one topic bleeds into the other. the closer together the rants come, the more similar they will be.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2005, 01:06:02 AM
Quote from: CainCan I get a fucking "RAH"!

I especially liked this point, though it was mostly seperate from the rest of the rant

QuoteCan you stop hating your neighbor just for the sake of hating and take a look around you and learn that that is exactly what the greyface armies and adherents of the conspiracy of normal want you to do? What? You are shocked that they want you to do as they do? (Not hating for reasons, unless it's their reasons. No. They like it when you hate just to hate. It keeps you occupied and easily controlled.)

Its something that has been occupying my mind lately.  I may build on it later, assuming I dont get repetitve strain injury from all the other writing I'm meant to be doing.

Fucking RAH!

This is some good shit.

But I think Hugh is wrong about the hate bit.  Hate is necessary.

TGRR,
Is guilty of hate abuse, though.
Title: Re: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2005, 01:15:08 AM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC

Can you finally sacrifice that one and only thing that Eris has ever demanded you do without...your ignorance?

Not really.  I prefer to drop my pance, and roll in it.

Besides, Neither "Bob" nor Eris ever actually demanded that, IIRC.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Zurtok Khan on December 03, 2005, 09:08:42 AM
QuoteUnlike you-know-who

Lord Voldemort?

-Zurtok Kahn

Because he just had to.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 03, 2005, 09:38:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: CainCan I get a fucking "RAH"!

I especially liked this point, though it was mostly seperate from the rest of the rant

QuoteCan you stop hating your neighbor just for the sake of hating and take a look around you and learn that that is exactly what the greyface armies and adherents of the conspiracy of normal want you to do? What? You are shocked that they want you to do as they do? (Not hating for reasons, unless it's their reasons. No. They like it when you hate just to hate. It keeps you occupied and easily controlled.)

Its something that has been occupying my mind lately.  I may build on it later, assuming I dont get repetitve strain injury from all the other writing I'm meant to be doing.

Fucking RAH!

This is some good shit.

But I think Death to Poultry is wrong about the hate bit.  Hate is necessary.

TGRR,
Is guilty of hate abuse, though.

There's no need to keep abusing your hate. Give it a break. We have goats and alcohol and assorted morans you could abuse. Besides, what did hate ever do to you that you'd want to abuse it? I know...I know...it's an addiction.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC

Can you finally sacrifice that one and only thing that Eris has ever demanded you do without...your ignorance?

Not really.  I prefer to drop my pance, and roll in it.

Besides, Neither "Bob" nor Eris ever actually demanded that, IIRC.

Sure She did. You didn't get the memo?
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 04, 2005, 02:36:11 AM
Quote from: Lord Daddy Lombrosis
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCDon't matter. It was really made of tin anyway, sucker. We have fifty more where that one came from. Wouldn't you rather have a couple of AKs and a case of hand grenades?

I'll take the nades but AKs are too short range for me, I'll stick with my 308.  If they get in AK range I've got a shotgun anyway.

AK range > Shotgun range
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: B_M_W on December 04, 2005, 05:45:05 AM
Damn, this was a nice rant. Cuts right to the physicality of the issue, rather than dealing with philosophical semantics. Ridding onesself of ignorance and freeing ones awareness is the key.

~BMW~>

A Wannabe who gets it sometimes.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 04, 2005, 05:54:50 AM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
There's no need to keep abusing your hate. Give it a break. We have goats and alcohol and assorted morans you could abuse. Besides, what did hate ever do to you that you'd want to abuse it? I know...I know...it's an addiction.


Sure She did. You didn't get the memo?

1.  I find that as I expect less of people, I am less and less likely to erupt in hatred.  I think the last episode taught me enough about people to expect nothing...and so, no anger.

2.  Nope.  Can you send another one, and a TPS page?
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The seer on December 04, 2005, 08:48:56 AM
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

Production is done, the trucks are rolling out, deliveries will be made in time for christmas. So line up and swallow down the newest sensation you consumer whores.






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Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 04, 2005, 09:51:11 AM
Quote from: The seerLADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

Production is done, the trucks are rolling out, deliveries will be made in time for christmas. So line up and swallow down the newest sensation you consumer whores.






(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/DRONF/Mass-Hysteria.jpg)

(http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mittens.gif)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 04, 2005, 06:21:48 PM
I'm The Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

TGRR,
Needs to see how this will cause average citizens to start turning on each other, though.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 06, 2005, 10:24:18 PM
!!!!11111!!!!!!!!

1! nUMBER onE!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 06, 2005, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
There's no need to keep abusing your hate. Give it a break. We have goats and alcohol and assorted morans you could abuse. Besides, what did hate ever do to you that you'd want to abuse it? I know...I know...it's an addiction.


Sure She did. You didn't get the memo?

1.  I find that as I expect less of people, I am less and less likely to erupt in hatred.  I think the last episode taught me enough about people to expect nothing...and so, no anger.

2.  Nope.  Can you send another one, and a TPS page?

I don't know. Anger certainly can lead me to feel hatred, but most of the time the hatred has nothing to do with any emotion. It's more cold or intellectual or perhaps those are just excuses.

Another memo comming. Echo Gyro Flower.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on December 07, 2005, 03:01:29 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI'm The Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

TGRR,
Needs to see how this will cause average citizens to start turning on each other, though.

Limited supply, no rainchecks.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2005, 03:43:10 AM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerI'm The Good Reverend Roger, and I approve of this product.

TGRR,
Needs to see how this will cause average citizens to start turning on each other, though.

Limited supply, no rainchecks.

Act now!  Beat the rush!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 07, 2005, 03:45:59 AM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
There's no need to keep abusing your hate. Give it a break. We have goats and alcohol and assorted morans you could abuse. Besides, what did hate ever do to you that you'd want to abuse it? I know...I know...it's an addiction.


Sure She did. You didn't get the memo?

1.  I find that as I expect less of people, I am less and less likely to erupt in hatred.  I think the last episode taught me enough about people to expect nothing...and so, no anger.

2.  Nope.  Can you send another one, and a TPS page?

I don't know. Anger certainly can lead me to feel hatred, but most of the time the hatred has nothing to do with any emotion. It's more cold or intellectual or perhaps those are just excuses.

Another memo comming. Echo Gyro Flower.

Hatred and anger keep me warm, on cold desert nights.

But I have decided to refine my hatred.  To focus it, as it were.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 07, 2005, 09:59:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

Hatred and anger keep me warm, on cold desert nights.

But I have decided to refine my hatred.  To focus it, as it were.

I used to go around saying "my malice keeps me warm." Now it is really my malice and my boot socks that keep me warm.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 07, 2005, 10:24:30 PM
y'all live in america. citizens turn on each other ever hour of every day.


blind deaf and dumb, and born to follow. gwb is america's saviour. just not in the way you expect. just as the emo elite is this forum'ss aviour. just not in the way you expect. only when every word is filtered to another, will you begin to understand. maybe. but probaly not.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 07, 2005, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Horab Fibslagery'all live in america. citizens turn on each other ever hour of every day.


blind deaf and dumb, and born to follow. gwb is america's saviour. just not in the way you expect. just as the emo elite is this forum'ss aviour. just not in the way you expect. only when every word is filtered to another, will you begin to understand. maybe. but probaly not.

We like to think of it as "freedom of expression" and not as you say "turning on one another."
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 07, 2005, 10:39:36 PM
also, we stopped quoting Tool songs in 1998.

just saying.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 07, 2005, 10:40:47 PM
yes. the highest murder rate in teh world, which makes many war torn countries look quite safe is the highest form of freedom of expression.


my right to kill my neighbor is protected under the first ammendment.



this is fantastic. really. in a very sad sort of way.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 07, 2005, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustlealso, we stopped quoting Tool songs in 1998.

just saying.

Was that what he was doing?

I don't know. I listen to Tool never.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 07, 2005, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: Horab Fibslageryes. the highest murder rate in teh world, which makes many war torn countries look quite safe is the highest form of freedom of expression.


my right to kill my neighbor is protected under the first ammendment.



this is fantastic. really. in a very sad sort of way.

umm, the US is FAR from having the highest murder rate in the world, FYI.

that honor belongs to Colombia.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: neongenesis816 on December 08, 2005, 05:24:10 AM
There are lots of grammatical errors, but I can get past that.  I like your ideas that you provide in your rants.   Except that I like things to be of an entirely generalized nature.  That leaves ends open for interpretation.

I have this problem of being able to notice the tendencies of Western thought in its general form in people's ideas.  You present the world as Us against them, and I disagree.  Us = Them.  That is important to KNOW.  Revolution starts with the individual.  A supressed people create a supressive revolution, as Russia once taught us.

Liberated individuals realize the blame is not on the shoulders of others, but of themselves.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Zurtok Khan on December 08, 2005, 05:48:44 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: Horab Fibslageryes. the highest murder rate in teh world, which makes many war torn countries look quite safe is the highest form of freedom of expression.


my right to kill my neighbor is protected under the first ammendment.



this is fantastic. really. in a very sad sort of way.

umm, the US is FAR from having the highest murder rate in the world, FYI.

that honor belongs to Colombia.

You say that like the U.S. doesn't already own Columbia.

-ZK
knows that GW has MASSIVE stocks in the cocaine trade.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 06:00:44 AM
I thought the US murder rate was the highest too.  I'm going to have to check.  Neongenesis made a good point too.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 08, 2005, 06:02:45 AM
Last I checked the US had the highest murder rate of any country by far.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 06:04:39 AM
Per capita Colombia is highest, however for raw numbers its India.  Sorry, looks like Turd was right.  US comes as 6th on the second, somewhere in the teens on the former.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on December 08, 2005, 06:06:04 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: Horab Fibslageryes. the highest murder rate in teh world, which makes many war torn countries look quite safe is the highest form of freedom of expression.


my right to kill my neighbor is protected under the first ammendment.



this is fantastic. really. in a very sad sort of way.

umm, the US is FAR from having the highest murder rate in the world, FYI.

that honor belongs to Colombia.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/rk0405/
Google is your friend, but the article doesn't show a link for supporting info from the UN, where it claims to getr its info.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 08, 2005, 07:01:24 AM
Quote from: CainPer capita Colombia is highest, however for raw numbers its India.  Sorry, looks like Turd was right.  US comes as 6th on the second, somewhere in the teens on the former.

What about just gun deaths?
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 08, 2005, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Quote from: East Coast Hustlealso, we stopped quoting Tool songs in 1998.

just saying.

Was that what he was doing?

I don't know. I listen to Tool never.


it's highly appropriate. unforunately.

i seem to recall someone ranting about a waste of potential, and yet i see those that complained so greatly about other's wastes, that they did not see the encoruagement of others to do worse than waste, but to revert...


america being 6th is a bit of a surprise. then again, murder isn't necessarily the best indicator for citizens turning on each other. i'm sure the crappy laws aren't the only reason the land of the free imprisoned more of it's own people than soviet russia during the cold war.


nto to say all american s are vile, or that you favour citizens turning on each other as a symptom of your own conciously chosen ignornance of what is right outside your own front doors. it's the small things that add up.

that show your mettle.
that speak volume without you whispering a word.

i hope i am not so, as i see some of you.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 12:31:21 PM
Unfortunately Horab, I think its a symptom of all "advanced/industrial" nations of people turning on each other.  There was an article the other day from a news service (I was Stumbling and didn't save the addy, sadly) showing that people in the US were using the DHS to slander reputations and advance themsleves either in their personal life or at work.  They thought this was surprising.

When I studied how the Gestapo worked in Cologne, it was exactly the same.  Over 50% of their intelligence and tip-offs were recieved from the general public who had no incentive from the Gestapo to report them.  People were denounced as Jews or secret Communists so that someone could get a flat or promotion while the often falsely accused person lingered in a concentration camp.  I havent looked at it, but I wouldnt be surprised if this was the method of operation from Soviet Russia to the UK in the 80s.

People are much worse than sheep.  At least sheep dont bite at each other and leave them as a sacrafice in their attempt to escape the wolves when attacked.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 12:47:47 PM
And yes, I know Godwin's bloody rule...etc...yadda yadda...I can't help it. Germany from 1919-45 is my historical model.  Blame the British national cirriculum.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on December 08, 2005, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: CainWhen I studied how the Gestapo worked in Cologne, it was exactly the same.  Over 50% of their intelligence and tip-offs were recieved from the general public who had no incentive from the Gestapo to report them.  People were denounced as Jews or secret Communists so that someone could get a flat or promotion while the often falsely accused person lingered in a concentration camp.  I havent looked at it, but I wouldnt be surprised if this was the method of operation from Soviet Russia to the UK in the 80s.

Exchange concentration camp for burning at the stake and you have the reason most "witches" were burned.  Not because anyone thought they were a witch, but because someone wanted their land.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The seer on December 08, 2005, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyExchange concentration camp for burning at the stake and you have the reason most "witches" were burned.  Not because anyone thought they were a witch, but because someone wanted their land.

Even more interesting is looking at the social clusters where witch burnings occurred, and they were most common where the influences of different churches overlapped. Theological warzones with pagans as the culprits and sometimes as the victims.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 02:50:09 PM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyExchange concentration camp for burning at the stake and you have the reason most "witches" were burned.  Not because anyone thought they were a witch, but because someone wanted their land.

Doesn't surprise me, now you mention it, though its not an area of my expertise.  When the secret police/law enforcement are unaccountable and reliant on denunciations from the public for their evidence, the system always opens to abuse and shows you how people really act.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 08, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: CainWhen I studied how the Gestapo worked in Cologne, it was exactly the same.  Over 50% of their intelligence and tip-offs were recieved from the general public who had no incentive from the Gestapo to report them.  People were denounced as Jews or secret Communists so that someone could get a flat or promotion while the often falsely accused person lingered in a concentration camp.  I havent looked at it, but I wouldnt be surprised if this was the method of operation from Soviet Russia to the UK in the 80s.

Exchange concentration camp for burning at the stake and you have the reason most "witches" were burned.  Not because anyone thought they were a witch, but because someone wanted their land.

umm, VERY few people were EVER burned at the stake for being witches. please to be researching the veracity of your claims before making them.

also, it's funny that Horab thinks that Canada is somehow different from America.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: neongenesis816 on December 08, 2005, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Zurtok Khan
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: Horab Fibslageryes. the highest murder rate in teh world, which makes many war torn countries look quite safe is the highest form of freedom of expression.


my right to kill my neighbor is protected under the first ammendment.



this is fantastic. really. in a very sad sort of way.

umm, the US is FAR from having the highest murder rate in the world, FYI.

that honor belongs to Colombia.

You say that like the U.S. doesn't already own Columbia.

-ZK
knows that GW has MASSIVE stocks in the cocaine trade.

That honor belongs to Colombia with much of America's help.  Our interests in Colombia enourage all this killing.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 08, 2005, 04:12:51 PM
No, being near other Colombians does that.  Their entire history is bloodsoaked quite easily without the help of anyone else.  The US just happens to support one group of bandits (the Government) because they get drugs out of it.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 08, 2005, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle

also, it's funny that Horab thinks that Canada is somehow different from America.

i don't.

however america is the shining example.


don't you just love putting words into the mouths of others?
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 08, 2005, 09:57:10 PM
I sure do. It's what makes me a better AMERICAN(tm).
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2005, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: Horab Fibslager

don't you just love putting words into the mouths of others?

Naw.  That's why we have you, Horab.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 09, 2005, 12:53:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Horab Fibslager

don't you just love putting words into the mouths of others?

Naw.  That's why we have you, Horab.

yes marginalizing you  since 2003 eh?

you are untrustworthy?





please don't confuse me with yourself.

i am better than you not because i must convince myself, but because you keep digging.

i wonder when you will hit bottom. when you will stop treating other people as if they are your toys.

but then i remember. it never stops.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2005, 12:55:35 AM
Quote from: Horab Fibslager
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Horab Fibslager

don't you just love putting words into the mouths of others?

Naw.  That's why we have you, Horab.

yes marginalizing you  since 2003 eh?

you are untrustworthy?





please don't confuse me with yourself.

i am better than you not because i must convince myself, but because you keep digging.

i wonder when you will hit bottom. when you will stop treating other people as if they are your toys.

but then i remember. it never stops.

See?  This is EXACTLY why you are my favorite adherent.  You embody everything that I stand for.

TGRR,
Thinks Horab makes being a God FUN!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Horab Fibslager on December 09, 2005, 01:08:25 AM
yes, i am your toy.

continue to play with me roger.


like you play with everyone else.


we are all here so you may have your fun.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2005, 01:39:41 AM
Quote from: Horab Fibslageryes, i am your toy.

continue to play with me roger.


like you play with everyone else.


we are all here so you may have your fun.

You know, it's moments like these that make my internets worthwhile.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on December 09, 2005, 03:00:48 AM
This is the funniest thread I've read all day.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 09, 2005, 03:04:28 AM
Quote from:  This is the funniest thread I've read all day.

See?  Unlike OTHER Gods, I deliver the goods.

(http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/pimp.gif)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 13, 2005, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle

umm, VERY few people were EVER burned at the stake for being witches. please to be researching the veracity of your claims before making them.

also, it's funny that Horab thinks that Canada is somehow different from America.

TURD is right on both counts here.

Canada is just a large slightly independent state of the USA. Outside of the artificially maintained Quebec culture, what makes Canadians different from Americans? Not the accent. They speak like us. Or at least those of us who live north.

As for witch executions: Probably no more than 50,000 were executed for the crime of witchcraft, and that is the liberal count. Of those, I really don't know how many were burned as opposed to cut up or strangled. Each country had it's preferred methods.

At the time of the witch hunts (Early Modern to mid/late 1700's), far more heretics, jews, and various Christians were executed. Also, far more people died in warfare and uprisings during this time than by any other cause.

So in perspective, even though the Witch Hunt idea has a lot of power as a symbol in today's world. It is not historical.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 13, 2005, 07:18:32 PM
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Canada is just a large slightly independent state of the USA.

No.

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCOutside of the artificially maintained Quebec culture, what makes Canadians different from Americans? Not the accent. They speak like us. Or at least those of us who live north.

Quite true.  The difference is you cannot buy Slim Jims in Canada.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 13, 2005, 07:20:29 PM
Sorry, as far as I can see, Canada is the good conscience and 53rd state of the USA.  You have to get in line behind the UK and Israel, unfortunately.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 13, 2005, 07:23:38 PM
I just chalk that up to unfortunate geographical setting.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 13, 2005, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: CainSorry, as far as I can see, Canada is the good conscience and 53rd state of the USA.  You have to get in line behind the UK and Israel, unfortunately.

No, but Israel is simply the sixth burrough of New York City.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 13, 2005, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: neongenesis816There are lots of grammatical errors, but I can get past that.  I like your ideas that you provide in your rants.   Except that I like things to be of an entirely generalized nature.  That leaves ends open for interpretation.

I have this problem of being able to notice the tendencies of Western thought in its general form in people's ideas.  You present the world as Us against them, and I disagree.  Us = Them.  That is important to KNOW.  Revolution starts with the individual.  A supressed people create a supressive revolution, as Russia once taught us.

Liberated individuals realize the blame is not on the shoulders of others, but of themselves.

Heh. Nothing wrong with "Us verses Them" thinking so long as you use it as a useful tool while it's necessary. The trick is in not being attached to the definition.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 13, 2005, 09:55:03 PM
Quote from: Baron von Hoopla
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Canada is just a large slightly independent state of the USA.

No.

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCOutside of the artificially maintained Quebec culture, what makes Canadians different from Americans? Not the accent. They speak like us. Or at least those of us who live north.

Quite true.  The difference is that Tim Hortons' coffee is not as good as Dunkin Donuts' coffee.

FTFY.

I think Canada is analogous to the guy who lives in the shitty loft apartment upstairs from the rowdy neighbors who are always partying until 5 am.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 13, 2005, 10:04:48 PM
That is the correct placement of analogy.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2005, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: Baron von Hoopla
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Canada is just a large slightly independent state of the USA.

No.

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCOutside of the artificially maintained Quebec culture, what makes Canadians different from Americans? Not the accent. They speak like us. Or at least those of us who live north.

Quite true.  The difference is you cannot buy Slim Jims in Canada.

1.  Correct.  It is not a state, it is our largest national park. (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/pokewithstick.gif)

2.  And you can't get coffee crisps in America(tm). (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 14, 2005, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Baron von Hoopla
Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSC
Canada is just a large slightly independent state of the USA.

No.

Quote from: Irreverend Death to Poultry, KSCOutside of the artificially maintained Quebec culture, what makes Canadians different from Americans? Not the accent. They speak like us. Or at least those of us who live north.

Quite true.  The difference is you cannot buy Slim Jims in Canada.

1.  Correct.  It is not a state, it is our largest national park. (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/pokewithstick.gif)

2.  And you can't get coffee crisps in America(tm). (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)

You have two points there. It IS our largest national park.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 14, 2005, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

2.  And you can't get coffee crisps in America(tm). (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)

you can if you live in the "State" that is a de facto maritime province.

(IOW, we have Tim Hortons here and YUO don't! neener neener neener!)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 14, 2005, 07:54:10 PM
They have Tim Hortons in Northern New York too I noticed lately.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 14, 2005, 08:01:12 PM
OMG CANUCKISTAN IS INVADING AMURRICA!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on December 14, 2005, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

2.  And you can't get coffee crisps in America(tm). (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)

you can if you live in the "State" that is a de facto maritime province.

(IOW, we have Tim Hortons here and YUO don't! neener neener neener!)

We have tons of tim Horton's in this part of Michigan.  The new Wendy's are being built with a connected Tim Horton's.  I have one of those less than a mile from me.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ on December 14, 2005, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger

2.  And you can't get coffee crisps in America(tm). (http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/icons/mad.gif)

you can if you live in the "State" that is a de facto maritime province.

(IOW, we have Tim Hortons here and YUO don't! neener neener neener!)

We have tons of tim Horton's in this part of Michigan.  The new Wendy's are being built with a connected Tim Horton's.  I have one of those less than a mile from me.
yeah...i hav tim hortons 5 blocks down the road
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 14, 2005, 09:26:36 PM
For about a month here people went apeshit over Krispy Kreme and stopped going to Tim Hortons.  

Then they all realized that Krispy Kreme donuts are made from Playdoe, and went back to Tim.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: LHX on December 14, 2005, 09:44:12 PM
first upstate new york

and THEN

suburbs in new england
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy on December 14, 2005, 09:47:02 PM
Now we are getting Starbucks.  So you have a choice of overpriced coffees  :lol:
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 14, 2005, 09:51:31 PM
Starbucks killed Glenn:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4306/glenn23hm8dk.jpg)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 14, 2005, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: East Coast HustleOMG CANUCKISTAN IS INVADING AMURRICA!

Get the nukes ready!!!!!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 15, 2005, 01:28:07 AM
Quote from: LHXfirst upstate new york

and THEN

suburbs in new england

umm, I'm hundreds of miles from anything that could be considered a suburb.

just saying.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ on December 15, 2005, 02:06:18 AM
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyNow we are getting Starbucks.  So you have a choice of overpriced coffees  :lol:

starbucks is everywhere >_>

AND OH SO TASSTY
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: LHX on December 15, 2005, 02:10:21 AM
if there is outdoor ice rinks near you in winter

then youre in tim hortons territory


watch out
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: on December 15, 2005, 05:58:07 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle
Quote from: LHXfirst upstate new york

and THEN

suburbs in new england

umm, I'm hundreds of miles from anything that could be considered a suburb.

just saying.

Makes sense, considering maine doesnt have anything that can truly be called a 'city'.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 15, 2005, 03:31:49 PM
well, Portland's actually pretty cool, but that's still 140 miles away, and some people would say that it's

1) a de facto suburb of Boston

and

2) Northern Massachusetts, not really Maine.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: LMNO on December 15, 2005, 04:28:22 PM
Quote from: mian tiao Fred
Quote from: Eldora, Oracle of AlchemyNow we are getting Starbucks.  So you have a choice of overpriced coffees  :lol:

starbucks is everywhere >_>

AND OH SO TASSTY

Sadly, i have fallen under the spell of the Pumpkin Spice Latte.



"IT'S NOT COFFEE-- IT'S LIQUID CRACK!"
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 15, 2005, 04:31:31 PM
Again:

Starbucks killed Glenn:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4306/glenn23hm8dk.jpg)
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: LMNO on December 15, 2005, 04:33:32 PM
Glenn had it coming.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: hooplala on December 15, 2005, 04:35:25 PM
*aghast*
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Cain on December 15, 2005, 05:37:39 PM
Vive la Revolution!
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 15, 2005, 07:24:34 PM
the only nice thing I can say about Starbucks is that it isn't Tully's.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 15, 2005, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustlethe only nice thing I can say about Starbucks is that it isn't Tully's.

I remember Tully's, sadly.
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 15, 2005, 10:49:56 PM
yes, well, they got what was coming to them.

DO NEVER tear down the big red "R" and replace it with a big green "T"

:x
Title: Rant 149: Can You Do That?
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on December 15, 2005, 10:56:45 PM
Karma can be a good thing.