in reference to the topic i started in the PD section -- http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=313404#313404
-- here is some more food for thought
most if not all systems of 'belief' or knowledge have a central text or scripture that is referred to by those who follow the system
all of these scriptures follow the same format
1 - a detail of 'history' and how things came into being
2 - a series of suggestions of how to approach 'life'
3 - a suggestion of what the future has in store
the only differences between the books are
1 - the amount of detail
2 - the metaphors used
3 - the tone used by those who assembled the literature
all books are maps
all these maps represent the same place
what we are witnessing here is that some maps are better than others
and will help you better navigate the territory
but
the best approach is to take as many maps into account as possible
add on if you have any insights
Pffft.
The best thing to do with scripture is to write it. (http://poee.co.uk/web/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=53)
Seriously, who reads scripture anymore? It's much more fun to make it up as you go.
I'm inclined to agree.
Theology is a fascinating subject.
I would recomend people actualy read the Bible, Torah, Koran.
Then study the tenets of Taoism and Bhuddism
Learn about Japan's Shinto faith and the native Australian Dreamtime.
Educate yourself on native American shamanism and study the legends of the Nordic Gods.
Then just compare them and see what you find.
Its a good way to go. I can't even remember the amount of 'holy' texts I've read over time.
the same story can be told so many ways
infinite
Quote from: WolfpoetI'm inclined to agree.
Theology is a fascinating subject.
I would recomend people actualy read the Bible, Torah, Koran.
Then study the tenets of Taoism and Bhuddism
Learn about Japan's Shinto faith and the native Australian Dreamtime.
Educate yourself on native American shamanism and study the legends of the Nordic Gods.
Then just compare them and see what you find.
Or you could read a few Joseph Cambpell/James Frazer books.
LMNO
-Did both.
there is a lot of well-read people here
After reading this thread last night I started reading the KJV bible. Stopped right after Abraham when I remembered just how insepid it was.
The best bit is where God uses a bear to slaughter a load of kids for laughing at a bald man.
I've got most of the way through the Bhagavad Gita and about half of the way through the Koran...I have an assembled mess of Buddhist and Taoist tracts too...
My two favourite parts of the Bible are Ezekiel and Matthew.
It's the two extremes that make me laugh when I hear evangelists preach.
Ezikiel 23:20.
It's a classic. And please to note the 23.
Too. Much. Information.
Kinda amazing, huh? I love to pull out a bible at parties & quote all that kind of stuff.
Quote from: CainThe best bit is where God uses a bear to slaughter a load of kids for laughing at a bald man.
I've got most of the way through the Bhagavad Gita and about half of the way through the Koran...I have an assembled mess of Buddhist and Taoist tracts too...
See, I think I could actually read those. Partially because they are more poetic. I mean, have you actually read the KJV word for word? Its crap literature, at least by todays standards.
Never. I got a Gideon one lying around the place...stupid Christian Union...
Quote from: CainNever. I got a Gideon one lying around the place...stupid Christian Union...
You should start gathering them and using them for firewood. Putting them to good use for once.
The Inquisition and Hitler burned books they didn't like.
Quote from: WolfpoetThe Inquisition and Hitler burned books they didn't like.
Im not saying to get rid of all of them. Im just saying they're laying around uselessly. So lets use them. For firewood.
i would never burna book, knowledge is important. Even if you don't agree with it.
Quote from: Wolfpoeti would never burna book, knowledge is important. Even if you don't agree with it.
Considering that its all on the net, countless times, I think that publishing more copies of it is rediculous. Besides, who reads the Gideon besides the Gideons anyway?
When it comes right down to it, what do you do with something you have multiple copies of? You give it to someone else right? Well, what if everyone's already read it and/or have a copy? I guess you throw it away, recycle it or burn it. Im just saying they should be put to use.
Quote from: Wolfpoeti would never burna book, knowledge is important. Even if you don't agree with it.
is it knowledge or information
knowledge is important
information
not so much
deleting websites is the same as burning books
Quotedeleting websites is the same as burning books
Yes. The only difference: Physical or Digital?
So... taking down forums, is that like genocide? :lol:
Quote from: Kai WrenSo... taking down forums, is that like genocide? :lol:
crimes against humanity
Quote from: Kai WrenSo... taking down forums, is that like genocide? :lol:
ermm....
I was just following orders.
Well...FC and YTMND are crimes against humanity...
Quote from: East Coast HustleQuote from: Kai WrenSo... taking down forums, is that like genocide? :lol:
ermm....
I was just following orders.
:potd:
The Zend Avesta will pwn all your faggy, so-called 'religious' texts.
Zohar, butches.
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on May 09, 2006, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: East Coast HustleQuote from: Kai WrenSo... taking down forums, is that like genocide? :lol:
ermm....
I was just following orders.
:potd:
ERRR... WTF?
I thought I posted that as potd??
Am I finally losing it?
:?
:x
While I do expect to be flamed for it, this topic reminds me of a journal entry I wrote awhile ago concerning certain similarities between the major religions. It was a
long entry, so I'll just post a portion of it. The rest of the entry can be found on this journal:
http://unlikelychrist.livejournal.com/
Quote from: Kai'enne Tyrmerik
There are three states of being; the material, the mental, and the divine.
In Christianity, these three states are represented by the Me, the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit, and the Father. I represent the Material, the Holy Spirit represents the mental, and my Father represents the Divine. We all know God exists in the Divine. Duh. I live in the Material world (obviously), and the Holy Spirit exists only in the mental.
("The Holy Spirit is different from Jesus in that He does not have a physical manifestation (or incarnation), and that He frequently dwells in and amongst God's people as a spiritual guide and Comforter." -Wikipedia)
Some believe that God and Heaven are one and the same; this is almost true. Some believe Heaven is within God, as all things are within God. This is true.
Three is also the number of wise men that came to see me at birth in Bethlehem, and the number of days since when they killed my sorry ass in Rome and when my little brother came and took my place and claimed to be me. What- you don't really think I came back from the dead, did you? I'm not a freakin' zombie.
In Hinduism, these concepts are referred to as the Maya, the Paramatma, and the Brahman. The Maya is the illusion of the material realm that must be overcome if one is to free oneself from the wheel of Karma and and Kharmic Reincarnation. The Paramatma is the 'supersoul'; "Paramatman is situated in the heart of every individual jiva in the macrocosm." (-W) All souls are one with the supersoul. Brahman is described as "truth-consciousness-bliss"; it is "the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this universe." (-W)
In Zen Buddhism, there are basically three stages of enlightenment; 0, 1, and 2. In the 0th stage, the person has not had any experience analogous with enlightenment. In the first stage, Kensho, the practitioner sees enlightenment once, is given a taste for it. Their progress takes them to the mental stage; they are now cognizant of what enlightenment is like, even though they're not living it. The second stage is Satori, whereby the practitioner achieves a permanent state of enlightenment, forging their connection with the Collective Unconscious (or whatever you want to call it).
In Taoism there are three states, represented by the Yin-Yang. The state of Yang is that of things that are hard, bright, material, solid, et cetera; that is, the Material Realm is Yang. Yin, on the other hand, is liquid, shifting, elusive, tricky; it could be argued that the intangible Tao itself is Yin, as opposed to the tangible Material Yang. The last state in this set is that of balance; perfect seamless harmony.
Also, the problem with information is that oftentimes it's in conflict. I would rather burn a book like, say, The Secret, than let it poison people.
How is The Secret any different than saying "Jesus will provide"?
Jesus [of Nazareth] won't provide, he's dead. I'd burn those books too.
Then, how is the Secret different from WuWei?
I can't really say anything about the book, to be honest. I only saw the movie. So I guess I'd burn the movies, but give the books a chance. The movie, though, was a horrific display of consumerism. It doesn't mention anything about trash like, y'know, love, or peace, but rather covers the important stuff like "I wanted a car and I got that car!" and "I wanted a house and got that house!"
Burn the books and kill the mother fuckers who made the movie is where I stand.
Of course, you both realize that The Secret never has professed to being any sort of religion, or being even vaguely spiritual, right?
LMNO
-couldn't really give a shit about The Secret; more concerned y'all don't sound like morons when you start bashing it.
According to Wikipedia*, its related to the Law of Attraction which is, basically, New Age bullshit.
*Shut up. Right now.
...But it's a Law!
:lol:
So's the PATRIOT Act. Doesn't stop it being bullshit.
Also, its the worst sort of bullshit. It basically says anything wrong with you is your own fault. So, for example, all those people in Cambodia wanted to die. They had a collective death wish, or else weren't just trying hard enough to get what they really wanted.
How...compassionate.
And yet, if you twist it another way, it's just the Law of Fives Quarter Trick writ large...
...and stupid.
Yes and no. Law of Fives relates to perception, contextually. Law of Attraction states explicitly that it relates to reality and changes to it via thought alone. Rather big difference, IMO.
Good point. One is describing how your perceptions will change to fit your beliefs, and the other says the actual Universe itself will change.
So, we all agree: The Secret is bullshit, and may be hazardous.
The Secret is just a horribly mistranslated version of some old Eastern tenets... Stuff like, you cannot change the world, you can only change yourself, or what Mahatma Ghandi said; "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
The whole point of these teachings is to impart upon the student that all change must start with the self, but new-age capitolists are really good at misconstrewing things.
I don't see how you're mixing new-age with capitalism.
Quote from: Kaienne on September 27, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
capitolists | miscontrewing
Not real words.
I'm not mixing them, I'm saying that the perpetrators were both Capitalists and New-Agers.
The dictionary has been referenced. Spelling corrections have been noted.
Actually, I quite like the word Capitolists. Sounds like a term for supporters of the political system.
Quote from: Payne on September 27, 2007, 12:32:18 PM
Actually, I quite like the word Capitolists. Sounds like a term for supporters of the political system.
Or, the interns/pages/staffers who wait on Senator and Representative's beck and call like they were Moses, Jesus, or some other Biblical-like figure.