Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: LHX on May 04, 2006, 05:59:26 PM

Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 04, 2006, 05:59:26 PM
ohhhhhhhhh no no no

if only it could be that easy

see - they,Ñ¢ capitalize on fear

so
we all walk around with this mortality

this fear of death

and it gets drilled in at an early age that death is the worst thing


as long as you arent dead - things are okay

right?



the powers that be,Ñ¢ count on this

they count on the fact that as long as you are not faced with imminent demise
they,Ñ¢ can still work you

and they,Ñ¢ will work you


it is not in their best interests to kill you

everybody is scared of jail
but
i guarantee this -

they,Ñ¢ would rather reform you
and have you come out and be productive
than they,Ñ¢ would for you to shrivel up and die in the slammer


the determining factor behind 'medicine' has NOTHING to do with your well-being

it has everything to do with maintaining your ability to be productive into this destined-for-collapse society

and the reason why they,Ñ¢ dont immediately X-out anybody who isnt productive
is because they,Ñ¢ know it would scare the shit out of you if you were to see crippled folks get slaughtered with reckless abandon
so
they,Ñ¢ keep them alive so the ruthlessness isnt quite so apparent


we are dealing with the smartest and most savvy opponent imaginable

as long as there is even the smallest window that will ensure your survival
the powers that be,Ñ¢ KNOW for a fact that they dont have to worry about you doing anything dramatic


when something goes where it does not belong
death ensues

this is becoming a place where things dont belong

slowly
our paths for survival are becoming more and more narrow
and
in the mean time
more and more people are discovering that there are fates worse than death

stay tuned
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 04, 2006, 06:34:11 PM
Very nice. Did you write this just now?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 04, 2006, 06:36:53 PM
yeah

not as polished as some other stuff


but
it felt good
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 04, 2006, 06:46:15 PM
You know... this actually makes a lot of sense. People fear death, and it is being used to justify so much in the world at the moment...

damn, I'd almost forgotten that the world is going to hell for a moment there, thanks LHX  :cry:
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 04, 2006, 10:33:32 PM
Live every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 04, 2006, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: WolfpoetLive every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.

tell them that
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Cain on May 04, 2006, 10:36:34 PM
Or you end up bankrupt and in jail.  One or the other.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 05, 2006, 03:16:22 PM
Quote from: WolfpoetLive every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.

that's very nice.


but...

we're trying to nail down the nitty gritty details of what to do and how to do it. Poetic generalizations have their place, but this probably is not it.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 03:17:59 PM
...Not to mention it sounds like being a mouthbreather with ADD is the path to enlightenment.






Wait a sec...
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 05, 2006, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: WolfpoetLive every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.

I agree with ECH on this. Its nice and profound and all, but its been said before, and it doesn't quite help us get to the heart of why and how: Why people go along with and allow them selves to be sucked into this fear of death, and how can we mitigate it. Like I've said in other threads, reverse brainwashing takes a process, and no short statement is gonna do it for ya.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 03:40:59 PM
Even the Freemansons understood: a true initiation never ends.  You have to stay constantly vigilant that you're not slipping back into cabbage-like ways.  It's not like, "oh!  I'm free!  Well, guess I don't have to worry about that anymore!"
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 05, 2006, 03:44:45 PM
Quote from: LMNOEven the Freemansons understood: a true initiation never ends.  You have to stay constantly vigilant that you're not slipping back into cabbage-like ways.  It's not like, "oh!  I'm free!  Well, guess I don't have to worry about that anymore!"

Yes.

And then there are the days where you don't FEEL like being or acting enlightened.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: LMNO"oh!  I'm free!  Well, guess I don't have to worry about that anymore!"

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA



would be nice

but
not in this universe
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 04:42:43 PM
*shrugs* works for me
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 05, 2006, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: LHX
Quote from: LMNO"oh!  I'm free!  Well, guess I don't have to worry about that anymore!"

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA



would be nice

but
not in this universe

Plus, once you realize you are free, then there are all the mantinence problems with keeping yourself free, in addition to all the problems that you learn about when enlightenment is handed to you.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 07:04:32 PM
I feel people miss the point.

Freedom and enlightenment, some meta-physical state of mind acheived by transcending mortal troubles and tribulations to achieve some pure state of mind and a sense of one-ness with the universe?

Nah, that's kinda boring.

You do not need to destroy the system, do not need to be at war with the system, do not even have to give a flying fuck either way about the system.

The system is about power, control, domination. the basic principles of Human nature since we learnt that pointy sticks do nasty things to people we don't like.

You can not beat the system, can not fight the system. It's too big, too organised, too powerful. They want you to fight the system, that way they know your doing something that can not achieve any desirable goal. In the long run when you finaly realise the system wins, your idealism becomes disilusionment and you become a slave to system, beaten, destroyed, souless.

The trick is to use the system. Face it ladies and gentlemen the system is raping you, forcing you down, spreading your legs and ramming home till you scream.

Try leaning back, opening those legs of your own accord, guiding that big bastard in. Now you have him where you want him, whisper sweet nothings, gently roll over on top and ride that son of a bitch hard and fast. on YOUR terms.

As I said before:

Live every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.

Every time the system rapes me a little part of me dies and I let it go. I am violated each and every day, violated by the society i live in, the rules that govern me and the system to which we are forced on our knees to pay homage to.

In our history all the bloodiest revolutions merely replaced one corruption with another. When we choose to fight we become soldiers, we become the tools of autocracy and we eventualy become the system mark 2. We figt for a cause, an ideal, a philosphy and in this fight it become politicised and is transformed from a pure ideal into a baby-killing monster.

So I say again when the system comes knocking on your door for it's pound of flesh, when it tries to arse-fuck you till your singing soprano. Just lean back and let it and in doing so take control. Ride the system people don't let the system ride you.

We can spread the love of discordianism within the system, spread the rot like some vile STD. Let it's own lust for power and dominantion kill it.

We are the plague carriers, we are the poor, downtrodden rape victims that carry the syatem's version of AIDs. Spread the disease people, kill it from within.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: WolfpoetI feel people miss the point.

Freedom and enlightenment, some meta-physical state of mind acheived by transcending mortal troubles and tribulations to achieve some pure state of mind and a sense of one-ness with the universe?

Nah, that's kinda boring.

You do not need to destroy the system, do not need to be at war with the system, do not even have to give a flying fuck either way about the system.

The system is about power, control, domination. the basic principles of Human nature since we learnt that pointy sticks do nasty things to people we don't like.

You can not beat the system, can not fight the system. It's too big, too organised, too powerful. They want you to fight the system, that way they know your doing something that can not achieve any desirable goal. In the long run when you finaly realise the system wins, your idealism becomes disilusionment and you become a slave to system, beaten, destroyed, souless.

The trick is to use the system. Face it ladies and gentlemen the system is raping you, forcing you down, spreading your legs and ramming home till you scream.

Try leaning back, opening those legs of your own accord, guiding that big bastard in. Now you have him where you want him, whisper sweet nothings, gently roll over on top and ride that son of a bitch hard and fast. on YOUR terms.

As I said before:

Live every moment as if it is your last. Take each breath with the realisation there will not be another. With every moment simply allow yourself to die and be reborn into the next.

Thus we break the cycle and embrace true freedom and enlightenment, you are dead, get over it.

Every time the system rapes me a little part of me dies and I let it go. I am violated each and every day, violated by the society i live in, the rules that govern me and the system to which we are forced on our knees to pay homage to.

In our history all the bloodiest revolutions merely replaced one corruption with another. When we choose to fight we become soldiers, we become the tools of autocracy and we eventualy become the system mark 2. We figt for a cause, an ideal, a philosphy and in this fight it become politicised and is transformed from a pure ideal into a baby-killing monster.

So I say again when the system comes knocking on your door for it's pound of flesh, when it tries to arse-fuck you till your singing soprano. Just lean back and let it and in doing so take control. Ride the system people don't let the system ride you.

We can spread the love of discordianism within the system, spread the rot like some vile STD. Let it's own lust for power and dominantion kill it.

We are the plague carriers, we are the poor, downtrodden rape victims that carry the syatem's version of AIDs. Spread the disease people, kill it from within.

i dont disagree with you

its just
i think a lot of people have already covered this ground here


your dealing with folks that done read a lot of shit

we are on the 'spread the disease' phase right now

and you have to acknowledge that there is some physical and mental pain involved


to talk it is one thing

to show and prove it is a different story

join in

add on

welcome
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 07:14:11 PM
While I enjoy the self-destructive passive nihilism, it seems like that might simply be an excuse not to care when our government systimatically rapes the earth and slaughters innocents.

And I, for one, refuse to be such a callous bastard as not to care.

PS - Do you read a lot of Grant Morrison?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 07:15:27 PM
I appreciate the pain and loss involved. I've taken wounds for the cause, if I was a colonial i'd of earned my cute little purple heart.

It's why i let myself die every day, it's why i accept the fact that each moment is my last.

Only way i can get up in the morning and face the hell that is this lovely world.

Ironic that the only way a person can truly live is to die each time he breathes.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 07:18:46 PM
As a side note, even if i disagree with you, I enjoy that you're staying with a certain theme.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO
Grant Morrison?

motherfucker

i just started reading the invisibles

i dint know who morrison was before last week

i hate when that shit happens
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 07:25:51 PM
SYNCHRO NET!!




I love that guy.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: LMNOWhile I enjoy the self-destructive passive nihilism, it seems like that might simply be an excuse not to care when our government systimatically rapes the earth and slaughters innocents.

And I, for one, refuse to be such a callous bastard as not to care.

PS - Do you read a lot of Grant Morrison?

You seriously think I don't care? Think I'm lost in self-destructive, passive nihilism?

I just take a more realistic view of this stuff. To think any of us can change a system that has existed for thouasands of years is pure fantasy.

Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King. What happened to them? What happened to their dreams and ideals? Soon after their deaths their respective causes become forgotten or perverted.

You are NOT going to change the world, you are NOT going to win. You are NOT going stop one country fragging another and murdering innocents tillt eh blood stains the streets red with their pain.

What you CAN do is make a little differenc to your life and the immediate lives around you. It won't make a great difference, it won't ever be enough to change the world at large or society. But it will change you.

If you want to change the world, change yourself.

As much as the system fucks me I help others around me. I be a nice guy, open doors for ladies, buck the system in little ways, challenge modern morality with my own actions and beliefs. Hell i may get martyed along the way, cast to the wolves and beatn for what i hold true. But it's not about changing the world, it's about changing who you are.

Fucked up evangelists crusade, messed up Muslim jihadis try to make sweeping changes. All YOU have to do is make changes in yourself, if somebody notices and follows suit then so much the better bu it doesn't realy matter. How you live and die is what matters.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 05, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: LHX
Quote from: LMNO
Grant Morrison?

motherfucker

i just started reading the invisibles

i dint know who morrison was before last week

i hate when that shit happens

What, where you imitate what you read without knowing?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet
Quote from: LMNOWhile I enjoy the self-destructive passive nihilism, it seems like that might simply be an excuse not to care when our government systimatically rapes the earth and slaughters innocents.

And I, for one, refuse to be such a callous bastard as not to care.

PS - Do you read a lot of Grant Morrison?

You seriously think I don't care? Think I'm lost in self-destructive, passive nihilism?

I just take a more realistic view of this stuff. To think any of us can change a system that has existed for thouasands of years is pure fantasy.

Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King. What happened to them? What happened to their dreams and ideals? Soon after their deaths their respective causes become forgotten or perverted.

You are NOT going to change the world, you are NOT going to win. You are NOT going stop one country fragging another and murdering innocents tillt eh blood stains the streets red with their pain.

What you CAN do is make a little differenc to your life and the immediate lives around you. It won't make a great difference, it won't ever be enough to change the world at large or society. But it will change you.

If you want to change the world, change yourself.

As much as the system fucks me I help others around me. I be a nice guy, open doors for ladies, buck the system in little ways, challenge modern morality with my own actions and beliefs. Hell i may get martyed along the way, cast to the wolves and beatn for what i hold true. But it's not about changing the world, it's about changing who you are.

Fucked up evangelists crusade, messed up Muslim jihadis try to make sweeping changes. All YOU have to do is make changes in yourself, if somebody notices and follows suit then so much the better bu it doesn't realy matter. How you live and die is what matters.

Well, maybe it's your specific writing style, but it sounds like your idea of "changing yourself" is to slowly die as you passively let the System (tm) fuck you in the ass.

Then again, maybe I'm just more attracted to the whole "NON SERVIAM" thing.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 05, 2006, 08:12:15 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet
Quote from: LMNOWhile I enjoy the self-destructive passive nihilism, it seems like that might simply be an excuse not to care when our government systimatically rapes the earth and slaughters innocents.

And I, for one, refuse to be such a callous bastard as not to care.

PS - Do you read a lot of Grant Morrison?

You seriously think I don't care? Think I'm lost in self-destructive, passive nihilism?

I just take a more realistic view of this stuff. To think any of us can change a system that has existed for thouasands of years is pure fantasy.

Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King. What happened to them? What happened to their dreams and ideals? Soon after their deaths their respective causes become forgotten or perverted.

You are NOT going to change the world, you are NOT going to win. You are NOT going stop one country fragging another and murdering innocents tillt eh blood stains the streets red with their pain.

What you CAN do is make a little differenc to your life and the immediate lives around you. It won't make a great difference, it won't ever be enough to change the world at large or society. But it will change you.

If you want to change the world, change yourself.

As much as the system fucks me I help others around me. I be a nice guy, open doors for ladies, buck the system in little ways, challenge modern morality with my own actions and beliefs. Hell i may get martyed along the way, cast to the wolves and beatn for what i hold true. But it's not about changing the world, it's about changing who you are.

Fucked up evangelists crusade, messed up Muslim jihadis try to make sweeping changes. All YOU have to do is make changes in yourself, if somebody notices and follows suit then so much the better bu it doesn't realy matter. How you live and die is what matters.


Some days I feel this way, this apathy at not caring about anyone but myself. And it IS apathy, cause you don't change SHiT that way. Its as bad as the emos. I know, cause I find myself acting emo some days. I have written rants exactly like this one, advocating the same thing; I know how this all works.

But, hey, if you want to go with it, fine right? But then, why are you so uptight about preaching to us?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 05, 2006, 09:19:20 PM
I think people are missing the point... I think I can get where Wolfpoet is coming from.

The basic flaw I see in most of your interpretations of this is the assumption that death is negative. Death doesn't have to be negative, it only is if you let it be, I think this is the message Wolfpoet is giving.

What he is saying is that the first step to taking the system head on is to stop fearing death, stop giving a damn about material things, and start acting Right, if you Do Unto Others and all that, that is a step towards making the people around you aware of the shit that they put themselves and others through without even realizing it.

I could be totally misinterpreting what he is saying, but that is what I think he means.

Also... I think he sounds agitated because people don't seem to get where he is coming from, which- you gotta admit- is pretty darn annoying.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
It's not so much about preaching to anybody. It;s about trying to articulate my worldview in a way others understand.

I'm not saying my way is the only way or the best way. I'm just trying to get across what my way actualy is.

There is no truly right or wrong path or way. No one true path to salvation as it where.

Truth, enlightenment, ultimate acid trip whatever you choose to call it. All paths willeventualy lead there is followed with conviction and determination.

Unfortunately it seems I come across as preachy, if that be the case I apologise it's not my intention.


I don't so much allow myself to die and submit to the system. It's not the case, however I willa dmit I'm more used to symbolic and metaphoric writing so things may come across that way. My philosphy has evolved from my background as does everyone elses.

My Father was RAF, by religion I'm catholic and being English I live in a fairly regimented society. Even with today's era of civil liberties and Human rights this nation is still one bound by tradition and custom. But younger generations consistently erode that for good or ill.

I have always been brought up deeply within a system of accepted moral behaviour, regimenetd lifestyle and belief. A military upbringing does wonders for giving a person a real insight into the system that slowly tries to strangle our creativity.

Thus my wolrd view began tightly closed and slowly evolved to accpet the unacceptable. Everything I had ben taught to beilieve was in facta  tool by a repressive society to constrict and control the masses. Quite an eart shattering event and rather soul destroying.

So i evolved a philospphy to cope with this and to try and make changes in what i see as a fundamentaly flawed society. Studying history gave me insight into how this system has always been in place and how it deals with radicals that buck the system. At best you get shot, at worst they nail you t a tree.

So i came to the conclusion that large, society changing events and actions do not actualy work. Even if by some freak act of fate i end up being the new martin luther King or Ghandi and effedt some real and fundamental change in society it'll not last long after my death.

So i just change my own worldview, do what i can to stop myself becoming a souless sheep, part of the herd. I let the system fuck me and take what it wants. Tax me, tell me what I should think, what I should say. I sarcasticly say yes sir, no sir, thank you very much sir, shall I spread my butt-cheeks now sir? Then I trow my best salute and walk away.

The system can enforce itself on me, it's what the system does best. But as stated by many revolutionaries in the past "You can take my land, you can take my words, you can even take my freedom. But you can not take my soul."

I do my thing, my way. No matter what the system does to me, no matter what the system does to the world or it's people. It can not change me, can not turn me into it's slave unless I allow it to.

When I say I die with each breath it's a philosphical view. Tomorrow the tax Man cometh, tomorrow the government announces some new soul destroying measure, tomorrow a multi-national corporation fucks up the world just that little more.

Right now, right here, I live. I breath and that breath is in defiance to all that the system represents.

Sure it's not some radical, world changing event. But If I can keep in mind that each moment of my life is MINE i can face the shit that get's thrown at me.

The next breath you can steal mister system, the next moment you can take from em. But THIS breath, THIS moment is mine and I will rejoice in that freedom.

Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet
Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.

not gonna win many over with that kind of closing
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 05, 2006, 09:28:05 PM
I dunno... I think what he just described is quite a nice, neat Discordian view. For Lo, did Eris not say unto her children, "You are Free."? The entire basis of this little rag-tag thing we call discordianism is freedom, and deciding that you are going to selfishly claim every moment as being yours seems... well, a step in the right direction.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 09:30:49 PM
It still sounds like slave mentality.  "My body might be in chains, but my spirit flies in the sunshine."
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:31:34 PM
Why would I want to win anybody over?

Convert people to my way of thinking? Have them follow my path? Show them my way is the best way?

Then I become the embodiment of that which I despise. the abyss looks into em as I glare at it and finds a nice little home in my heart.

My goal is to merely state how I think, how i feel, what drives me and motivates me. To share with people how I deal with the system and what I do to try and struggle against it's oppresion.

People read my words, understand what they will, like what they will, dislike what they will. Hopefully they take away something positive that effects their worldview in some way, evolves their way of thinking or at the very least gives them access to a way of thinikng not their own to reinforce or in some way positively effect how they deal with the system.

I'm not here to preach or convert, just to share.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 09:34:13 PM
Quote from: WolfpoetWhy would I want to win anybody over?

i think you answered your own question -

Quote from: Wolfpoet
My goal is to merely state how I think, how i feel, what drives me and motivates me. To share with people how I deal with the system and what I do to try and struggle against it's oppresion.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 05, 2006, 09:37:30 PM
I think I more or less agree with what I think Wolfpoet was trying to say, and I don't think it's mutually exclusive with what we're trying to do, but it's not necessarily relevant to what we're trying to do either.

I also think that his poetic/metaphoric writing style is getting in the way of him making his point in the context of a discussion which is trying to focus on details and specifics.

IOW, to get the kids to the point where they have an intuitive understanding of concepts like that, we need to lead them by the hand with memes and references that they recognize and accept, and USE those memes and references as tools with which to impregnate their minds with the seeds of critical thinking.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 09:42:23 PM
So we have to feel Trent's pain?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:44:53 PM
Your right in a way, it is a slave mentality.

Think about it.

We are born slaves to the system, fed propoganda in school, in the media, in society itself. We are all enslaved from an early age and indoctrinated into that servitude.

Some of us realise this and actively struggle against it. Most people never even realise they are slaves to system and some who do realise it don't have the moral courage or sense of self to struggle.

To wax metaphorical, Discorians are the freed slaves following a spartacus with a much better breast size and less testosterone (Eris). We are sitting on our hill facing down the Roman legions (the system). There are few of us and allot of them with shapr, pointy implemnts designed to give us a more personal appraoch to biology class.

The smart thing to do is to meekly surrender, say sorry and go back to our chains. But Discordianism is not about doing the smart thing, it's about doing the crazy thing the system never expects us to do.

Some walk up to the Romans and kiss them, others break into a musical song and dance routine. But none submit meekly.

Once you've opened your eyes there is no closing them.

If i have a slave mentality is it such a sin? It's merely accepting what I was, accepting what society wants me to be and changing myself to reject those chains.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LHX on May 05, 2006, 09:46:16 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet
If i have a slave mentality is it such a sin? It's merely accepting what I was, accepting what society wants me to be and changing myself to reject those chains.

the subsequent suffering would make a person wonder
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 05, 2006, 09:48:02 PM
You forget...

Wolfpoet is a Catholic.

if he didn't suffer, there would be something horribly wrong with that statement  :wink:
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2006, 09:48:07 PM
The problem is, you're still feeding the System (tm).  The System (tm) doesn't care where your spirit is, if it can still use your body.

In other words, if that was the predominant mode of thought, Haiti would still be under French rule.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:56:22 PM
Humans are 98% water, yet we still drown.

It is possible to overload the system to the point where it collapses under it's own weight.

In a way by fighting the system you are also feeding it. By consistently giving the system an excuse to say:

"Look at these crazy Discordians, they don't accpet that I am your friend, they are strange, they are an example of what you should not be. the system is your friend, the system gives you stability, the system is what you know, fear what yo do not know, fear the Discordians, hate them."

In every revolution there are the fighters, the thinkers, the spies and the workers.

The fighters bring out the molotov cocktails and cute dutch shoes and throw them in the system. They tend to die in rather impressive ways but provide martyrs to follow.

The thinkers come up with ways for the fighters to go off and die for the cause.

The spies find out the juicy info that the thikers use to get the fighters killed.

The workers are the ones that actualy change anything at all. They tirelessly work hard behind the scenes, often within the system itself. they print the propganda, they organise the meetings, they talk to the people on a level the people understand. They are not firebrands, they are not radicals, they are ordinary people who think in ordinary ways. But they are ordinary people with their eyes open and all they want is to open the eyes of the person they work with.


If all the world where workers would we need a revoloution?
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 05, 2006, 09:57:54 PM
ZOMG STFU DIRTY COMMIE!!!111!1!1!!!1ONE
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 10:09:41 PM
[quote="LHX
the subsequent suffering would make a person wonder[/quote]

It helps that in many ways I am a masochist. I suffer and find strength in that pain. To many today that sounds corny.

But when you switch on the news see all the shit going on, bodies lying in dusty streets, babies raped, peopel murderd for the small change in their pockets. You either switch yourself off and ignore it, gorw cold or dead inside or you suffer.

To realise your people, your race, is capapble of such fundamental evil and pay no more heed to it than if they shoot someone ina  computer game, this creates in me a pain that i can not realy describe.

Some days i truly want to kill every Human being on this planet. When i was younger an naieve i only wanted to kill the guilty then i grew up and came to understand that we are guilty just by being Human.

Later I came to realise it's not actualy our fault, it's hard-coded DNA that causes us to be such bastards.

later still i realised that it's not as hardcoded as people think. We can choose not to be bastards but to do so means going against every fibre of what it means to be Human.

History shows us that for every one who would make a difference there are thousands who don't care and hundreds who will actively fight you to keep you silent.

Every one who has stood has ended up a martyr to the cause.

This next sentence will no doubt be dismissed as nihilism at best and romanticised Emoism at worst but it is in many ways true.

Any Man or Woman who would stand against the system WILL suffer and will be in some way a painful and brutal martyr sooner or later. We will sufferfor our beliefs.

If you want freedom and knowledge you have to accept somebdoy is gonna nail you to that tree and take an eye in payment.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: B_M_W on May 06, 2006, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: Kai WrenZOMG STFU DIRTY COMMIE!!!111!1!1!!!1ONE

50 posts, Kai. 50 and no less. (unless you were being sarcastic). 8)
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on May 06, 2006, 12:13:32 AM
Quote from: WolfpoetHumans are 72% water

Fixed
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Scribbly on May 06, 2006, 12:21:37 AM
I was being sarcastic... I usually am when I do capslocks of death >_>;
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 06, 2006, 12:54:22 AM
the very presence of "ZOMG!" tends to indicate sarcasm.
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Baron Von Stevenstein on May 06, 2006, 01:25:41 AM
Quote from: LMNO...Not to mention it sounds like being a mouthbreather with ADD is the path to enlightenment.






Wait a sec...


Fucking Swote!

BVS,
has acheived  enlightenment
Title: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: AFK on May 06, 2006, 03:23:47 AM
Late to the party, as usual, just wanted to say I really dug your piece LHX and it echoes things I've felt too.  Especially about society programming us to be scared to death of death.  Which, when you think about it, is really silly.  Death is inevitable and is really, as cliche as it sounds, one of the only sure things in this world.  Sure, we don't know when it will happen but we know that it will.  Our societies need to unlearn their straight-jacketed fear of this unknown and just get on with it.
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.

:lulz:
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 16, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.

:lulz:

I guess he's doing it wrong then...
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 17, 2010, 01:19:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 16, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.

:lulz:

I guess he's doing it wrong then...

Who is this canine obsessed idiot and why did you bump every thread hes posted in?
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Kai on September 17, 2010, 01:30:02 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on September 17, 2010, 01:19:43 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 16, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: Wolfpoet on May 05, 2006, 09:19:34 PM
Thus I die withe each breath. A tad abstract but I'm a poet and it's how I think.

:lulz:

I guess he's doing it wrong then...

Who is this canine obsessed idiot and why did you bump every thread hes posted in?

He is the beginning of the "every person who's name is 'wolf-something' or 'something-wolf' turns out to be an asshole" meme.
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 17, 2010, 01:31:25 AM
He's a poet that looks wolves in the eye and gets a hard on.
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 17, 2010, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 17, 2010, 01:31:25 AM
He's a poet that looks wolves in the eye and gets a hard on.

Ah so hes a furry.

:argh!: Stupid furries ruin everything they touch
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 17, 2010, 01:36:22 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on September 17, 2010, 01:32:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on September 17, 2010, 01:31:25 AM
He's a poet that looks wolves in the eye and gets a hard on.

Ah so hes a furry.

:argh!: Stupid furries ruin everything they touch

Yeah, getting that boner staring in they eyes of a wolf changed his life, and now he wants to share beastiality with the world via poetry about dying with each breath and shit.

At least that's what I gather.
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 17, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on September 17, 2010, 01:19:43 AM
and why did you bump every thread hes posted in?

Because I'm a horrible cunt.
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Jenne on September 17, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 17, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on September 17, 2010, 01:19:43 AM
and why did you bump every thread hes posted in?

Because I'm a horrible cunt evil, wicked man .

Fixt.  Man, I forgot about that guy.  And was happy doing so, too...  :argh!:
Title: Re: LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead
Post by: Jasper on September 17, 2010, 09:12:53 PM
I still don't know what a vyrgar is.