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Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: Thurnez Isa on December 03, 2006, 04:11:35 pm

Title: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 03, 2006, 04:11:35 pm
surpised we didnt have a thread like this
unless im going blind in my old age

"Doomsday 50 Visions of the end of the world"

Nigel Cawthorne

kind of mediocre but interesting in a way
only cost me 5 dollars though  :-)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 03, 2006, 04:16:53 pm
we did.

it died a merciful death long ago during the schism.

I'm reading Robert Greene's Laws of Power again.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 03, 2006, 04:27:12 pm
I moved the original to the library after some thread diving a while back.  If you want, I can combine.  And I'm reading Glaser and Kaufmann "What is the offense defense balance and how can we measure it?"
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 04, 2006, 01:14:45 pm
Sadly, I don't really have much time to read anymore.

But the last thing I read was Will Self's "Cock and Bull".

Kafka-esque satire, ftw.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 04, 2006, 01:21:12 pm
Self's a good chap.  He's put alot of the Rush Limbaugh wannabe's in this country firmly in their place.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on December 04, 2006, 03:22:36 pm
I've started reading A Booke of Days again by Stephen J. Rivele. It's a chronicle of a knight during the 1st Crusade and is an actual translation of an existing journal.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on December 04, 2006, 10:15:17 pm
I've started reading A Booke of Days again by Stephen J. Rivele. It's a chronicle of a knight during the 1st Crusade and is an actual translation of an existing journal.

No it's not.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 04, 2006, 10:23:58 pm
I've started reading A Booke of Days again by Stephen J. Rivele. It's a chronicle of a knight during the 1st Crusade and is an actual translation of an existing journal.

this site has a ton of letters and such
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1k.html#The%20First%20Crusade
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 04, 2006, 10:29:53 pm
http://history.hanover.edu/project.html#ma
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on December 04, 2006, 10:33:24 pm
I've started reading A Booke of Days again by Stephen J. Rivele. It's a chronicle of a knight during the 1st Crusade and is an actual translation of an existing journal.

No it's not.

I thought it was? The Prologue certainly makes it seem like it is.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 04, 2006, 11:03:24 pm
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/1stcrusade2.html

its great to read stephen count of blois letters
i cant find his other letters online though
their great
this baffoon fucked a lot of things up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen%2C_Count_of_Blois
He was minor count
who was pressured by his wife (the daughter of the norman duke william the conqueror) to go on the 1st crusade
he writes a ton of rather goofy letters back throughout
the one above is the most famious where he makes the claim

Quote
You may know for certain, my beloved, that of gold, silver and many other kind of riches I now have twice as much your love had assigned to me when I left you. For all our princes with the common consent of the whole army, against my own wishes, have made me up to the present time the leader, chief and director of their whole expedition.

 :lol:
in fact after writing that he decides to hightail it back home while the crusaders siege Antioch
the left over Crusaders take the city and are surrounded by Turks
but no help comes from Byzantium cause Stephen told the Emperor of Byzantium that all the crusaders were dead
 :lol:
anyways his wife isnt too happy with cowardness and pressure him to join another crusader, which resulted in his death
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on December 04, 2006, 11:45:59 pm
Medieval humor ftw. Wives like that had a lot of nerve though. They weren't allowed to read or write, just pop out kids and order their husbands to an armed pilgrimage.

I think that's why my SCA persona is Italian Renaissance. I couldn't stand the idea of playing the part of a woman kept on a too-tight leash. Not that the Renaissance was much better, but it allowed women to at least become educated and perhaps run a business, and not just the Veronica Franco type of business, (though she was also a very accomplished writer).
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 05, 2006, 12:10:42 am
well she was the daughter of william the first conqueror of the anglo-saxons
she probably expected a lot of her men
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on December 05, 2006, 12:51:09 am
Well a lot of people believed that since the Crusades were a Holy Pilgrimage, that they would be forgiven of all sins among other things. Stephen may have been a bit...unfaithful. Which was normal of course. You didn't love your wives, they were baby factories that you signed a treaty for. You fucked someone else's wife or raped peasant girls for pleasure.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on December 05, 2006, 02:16:58 pm
Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum

A convoluted mess of Wikipedia cross-links.

Nutrition Facts on a bottle of water...Why?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 05, 2006, 02:24:05 pm
I've heard that its quite good, from a couple of people, but extremely convoluted and with more obscure occult references than an entire Rosicrucian and OTO combination catalogue.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 05, 2006, 02:38:02 pm
If Illuminatus! was well-written (though a bit dry), it might look like Pendulum.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on December 05, 2006, 02:41:52 pm
The occult references are prolific, and sometimes the prose drags, but so far the basic ideas have been worth my time.  It just doesn't suck me in like my favorite fictions.  I do get the feeling, though, of layers of hidden messages and meanings a la the David Blaine Quest book thingy found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%24100%2C000_Challenge

The funny thing is that one of the characters in the book talks about the ability of people that look hard enough to find connections between anything, but it doesn't guarantee validity.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 05, 2006, 02:44:09 pm
LMNO: Yeah, thats kind of how BMW described it to me.  I'm trying to see if I can make a relative buy it for me for Christmas.

Bhode:  Thats pretty cool.  I looked at Wikipedia for the esoteric references for Foucalt's Pendulum - good god it never stops.  Hundreds of links.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 05, 2006, 02:44:38 pm
I love the basic premise, that a joke randomizer program comes up with one of the great Freemason Secrets.

But yeah, it often reads more like a history textbook than a novel.

But that's Eco for you.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on December 06, 2006, 11:17:39 am
i still wanna read pendulum as well.

currently reading:
- PPK on Javascript (awesome book, if you care about javascript ;-) )
- Neil Gaiman - Anansi Boys (ok i still have to start, but I will this weekend)
- Mystical Qabalah (printed off a PDF link i got months ago from mang @ EB&G)
- The Act of Will (some obscure esoteric stuff i picked up in a 2nd hand bookshop for cheap, i suppose it's trash)
- Bill Clifford by Godfried Bomans (a classic Dutch semishort funny detective story)
- Goedel Escher Bach (must-read for anybody ever who wants to think some thoughts about the "meaning" of anything. my 2nd time, going a bit slower this time)

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on December 06, 2006, 02:26:48 pm
Anansi Boys was a good read.  I like all of Gaiman's stuff that I've read so far.  I really got a kick out of this http://www.neilgaiman.com/exclusive/shortstories/chulthhustory
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Sepia on December 06, 2006, 04:07:13 pm
Turingmachines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 06, 2006, 04:26:02 pm
http://www.mindfully.org/GE/GE4/Feed-The-World-GMOs.htm

I found it while looking for an article for another thread
its not the most well writen essay the author jumps all over the place, in reguards to tons of different topics which have nothing to do with the orginal premise and has an obvious
but he makes some good points about what hes talking about
expecially when he says that most of the western world thinks hunger is caused by a lack of food and in fact we have eough food on this planet to feed everyone comfortably
havent read it all cause i have to go to work in like 20 minutes
but will read the rest when i get back
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on December 07, 2006, 01:43:30 am
Cicero - Politacal Speeches -bought for my dad for christmas so gotta read it now
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on December 18, 2006, 03:52:39 pm
I just finished Daniel Quinn's The Story of B.  It was excellent.  The ideas presented blew my mind in a historical way, and answered a couple of questions that I had about evolution, such as "If humans in various forms have been around for two to three million years, and in the modern version for two hundred thousand years, why are we only now as technologically advanced?"

It also got me to think about Eris/chaos through a lens of Animism/Natural Selection.  The random interconnections of innumerable individuals producing what works over time and eliminating failures as parts of (and) the whole.  Recommended reading, by Me.

Right now I'm reading Derrick Jensen and George Draffan's Welcome to the Machine.  I'm only three chapters in, but it's fairly interesting so far in its discussion of surveillance and power/control. 

Also on my list are Gilles Deleuze:  An Introduction, some John Zerzan, more Derrick Jensen, Christopher Boehm's Hierarchy in the Forest:  The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior, and Society Against the State by Pierre Clastres. 

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bob the Mediocre on December 23, 2006, 03:37:34 am
Let's see, I'm in the middle of The Master and Margarita, really should get back to reading that soon (It's a good thing the college library lets us renew things indefinately), I'm in the middle of Undoing Yourself by Christopher Hyatt, and I'm rereading a few Terry Pratchett books.

And this topic, of course.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 06, 2007, 11:56:38 pm
Being and Nothingness by Satre.

Damn this is a tough read. I'm not really up on Husserl or Heidegger, who he references constantly and the obtuseness of the translation makes Satre sound more German than French (and I find German philosophers incredibly hard and boring to read).

Still, if I can ever make sense of it, it could be promising.  I'm quite interested in the idea of how bad faith relates to acting and freedom.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 07, 2007, 06:55:00 pm
"Wicked- The Life And Times Of The Wicked Witch Of The West"
Greg Maguire
"The Last Continent"
Terry Pratchett
"Chaos"
James Gleick
"Wraeththu"
Storm Constantine

All at the same time.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 07, 2007, 07:36:33 pm
Just ordered Camus' The Rebel and The Stranger and Jared Diamond's Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive and his masterpiece, Guns Germs and Steel.

I less than three Amazon, to the depths of my soul.

(http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/69/69086d0aekgwgm9.jpg)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 09, 2007, 12:16:21 am
Dunno how you stomach all that Camus, man.  He just gets me down worse than Poe.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 09, 2007, 12:18:52 am
and his masterpiece, Guns Germs and Steel.


that was really good
see the doc.
he actually did a really good job throughout
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 09, 2007, 12:19:32 am
Camus = teh win.  Much better than Satre, the jumped up little prick.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on January 09, 2007, 02:50:43 pm
Currently reading The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Despite my wife constantly telling me how strange I am she is only encouraging it by buying me these books for Xmas. 

I have to say it is quite interresting and amusing so far.  I'm less interested in the so-called "religion" than how Mr. Henderson deconstructs both evolution and intelligent design. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on January 15, 2007, 03:55:25 am
Guns, Germs, and Steel.  It's going a long way to help me get past the whole "take to the wild" bent.  It's good to understand the factors that led to various stages of development for different kinds of societies, and how those factors influenced the outcomes of clashes throughout history.  I'm only about half-way through, but I'm digging it so far.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Idem on January 15, 2007, 06:59:07 am
Hiya bhode!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bhode_Sativa on January 15, 2007, 07:08:07 am
Howdy, Idem!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2007, 06:45:23 pm
LOL!  FREAD RUINT!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 15, 2007, 06:48:17 pm
Guns, Germs, and Steel.  It's going a long way to help me get past the whole "take to the wild" bent.  It's good to understand the factors that led to various stages of development for different kinds of societies, and how those factors influenced the outcomes of clashes throughout history.  I'm only about half-way through, but I'm digging it so far.

Funnily enough, thats the book I probably would have suggested, if asked.

I'm about Chapter 4 in it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2007, 06:49:54 pm
is it much better then the doc?
i can't seem to find it anywhere in town...
and i maxed my credit cards so i cant order it online
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: B_M_W on January 15, 2007, 09:29:30 pm
Guns, Germs, and Steel.  It's going a long way to help me get past the whole "take to the wild" bent.  It's good to understand the factors that led to various stages of development for different kinds of societies, and how those factors influenced the outcomes of clashes throughout history.  I'm only about half-way through, but I'm digging it so far.

Funnily enough, thats the book I probably would have suggested, if asked.

I'm about Chapter 4 in it.

Diamond FTW.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Hypnos_childe on January 22, 2007, 03:06:41 pm
hello I'm new
I'm reading Neil Gaiman's Sandman comics
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 22, 2007, 03:23:11 pm
Them's good reads.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 22, 2007, 04:14:41 pm
too bad i only got them digitally .. sucks to read it off the screen, even with the amazing CDisplay viewer.

i wanna sit outside in the park under a tree in the cold winter-sun while reading

what the fuck is keeping those Philips bastards with their e-InkTM hm!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on January 22, 2007, 04:39:08 pm
Welcome, Hypnos! Sandman's really good stuff. As far as I'm concerned, Neil Gaiman can do no wrong. You might like the movie Mirrormask, which was written by Gaiman. The art director is Dave McKean, who did a lot of art for Sandman.

Right now I'm reading some anthology of short stories published in 2006.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 22, 2007, 05:25:13 pm
i did read Good Omens and Anansi Boys, but i'll keep an eye out for that movie, thanks.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 22, 2007, 10:11:45 pm
"the curious incident of the dog in the night-time" Mark Haddon.  Very funny, and I reccomend it to anyone who likes lit fiction and minds.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 23, 2007, 05:20:41 pm
The First Man In Rome - Colleen McCullough
rereading
This series is my guilty little pleasure
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on January 25, 2007, 07:59:19 pm
Just finished Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. Really great book, though a little abrupt with the ending.

(By the way, how's the board doing? It's definitely been a while since I've been here.)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 25, 2007, 08:00:06 pm
New burst of creativity.

Check the BIP sub forum.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on January 25, 2007, 08:07:13 pm
currently reading:  From Binge to Blackout

good book.  It's been making me think alot about TGRR's "False Slack" rant. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on January 25, 2007, 08:12:21 pm
New burst of creativity.

Check the BIP sub forum.

Cool.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jenne on January 25, 2007, 08:14:54 pm
Still reading Middlesex--it's pretty good.  About a guy who was born androgynous.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 25, 2007, 09:36:54 pm
New burst of creativity.

Check the BIP sub forum.

Cool.

Oddly, I was thinking about you the other day and wondering where you'd been.  Welcome back.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on January 26, 2007, 05:05:26 pm

Oddly, I was thinking about you the other day and wondering where you'd been.  Welcome back.

Thanks. (I'm not sure how long its been since I've been here. I've been somewhat more busy lately, and right around now things are cooling off, so I figured it would be good to come back.)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mourning Star on January 30, 2007, 09:10:02 am
Just finished Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. Really great book, though a little abrupt with the ending.

(By the way, how's the board doing? It's definitely been a while since I've been here.)

I just started this.  It's really good so far.

I was feeling a lack of cyberpunk in my recent literary diet, so a B&N gift card from the mother unit of my Fiance' was spent entirely on William Gibson, Neal Stephenson, and Bruce Sterling.

Also, finished re-reading "The Picture of Dorian Gray" by Oscar Wilde

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 31, 2007, 04:48:04 pm
sumarai sword wielding pizza delivery guy calling himself "the deliverator" FTW!!1
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 31, 2007, 04:49:20 pm
Best part:  His name is Hiro Protagonist.


Srsly.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 31, 2007, 04:53:06 pm
protagonist i get.. is "hiro" part of a wordjoke as well that went past me?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 31, 2007, 04:54:14 pm
Say it out loud.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 31, 2007, 04:56:06 pm
just checked wikipedia (it's got spoilers :) )

seems i was pronouncing it in my head as "high row", not as "here row"
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 31, 2007, 05:00:43 pm
Ah.  I hadn't thought of that.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 31, 2007, 09:08:12 pm
Yeah.  I caught the joke, but given the traditional Japanese pronunciation...well it could have been done better.

Anyway, I'm reading The Last Transition

pdf linkie
 http://homepage.mac.com/magnant/.Public/TheLastTransition.pdf

Not sure what to make of it yet....
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: rygD on February 16, 2007, 03:08:55 pm
It's good to know I am not the only Neal Stephenson fan (or at least reader) here.

At the moment I am reading the words that I am typing.

I am currently reading The Confusion by Mr. Stephenson and Accelerando by Charles Stross.  Maybe some other stuff I can't recall right now, also.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on February 23, 2007, 10:02:06 pm
Anti-Semitism in Britain by Orwell.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mourning Star on February 24, 2007, 01:59:02 am


Re-reading the Sprawl trilogy

by Mr. William Gibson

Neuromancer
Count Zero
and
Mona Lisa Overdrive

until further notice...

;)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on February 25, 2007, 10:07:19 pm
On a William Gibson related note: has anyone here read All Tomorrows Parties? I just picked it up and haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mourning Star on February 25, 2007, 11:21:40 pm
On a William Gibson related note: has anyone here read All Tomorrows Parties? I just picked it up and haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

if I'm not mistaken that's book 3 in the Bridge Trilogy

Virtual Light, Idoru, and All Tommorow's Parties

I've not read it yet, but have heard that it is really freakin' good...

but much like Virtual Light and Idoru, it's not the same future as the Sprawl Trilogy...

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on February 27, 2007, 06:07:09 am

if I'm not mistaken that's book 3 in the Bridge Trilogy

Virtual Light, Idoru, and All Tommorow's Parties

I've not read it yet, but have heard that it is really freakin' good...

but much like Virtual Light and Idoru, it's not the same future as the Sprawl Trilogy...



Excellent. Now to get Virtual Light + Idoru. Compulsive book buyer, away! *rides off into a rainbow* :hosrie:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mourning Star on February 27, 2007, 06:17:24 am

if I'm not mistaken that's book 3 in the Bridge Trilogy

Virtual Light, Idoru, and All Tommorow's Parties

I've not read it yet, but have heard that it is really freakin' good...

but much like Virtual Light and Idoru, it's not the same future as the Sprawl Trilogy...



Excellent. Now to get Virtual Light + Idoru. Compulsive book buyer, away! *rides off into a rainbow* :hosrie:

Virtual Light provides a really interesting interpretation to the phrase "God is in the TV"

you'll like it I think...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 01, 2007, 12:23:08 pm
The Revolutionary Catechism by Nechayev

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp000116.txt
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on March 02, 2007, 02:06:51 am
The Revolutionary Catechism by Nechayev

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp000116.txt

*reads*

 :lulz:

I take it Nechayev wasn't a fan of romantics?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on March 02, 2007, 02:37:40 am
Tommorrow I pick up my first copy of Macbeth.

Also my first time really giving shakespeare a try.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2007, 09:07:54 am
The Revolutionary Catechism by Nechayev

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp000116.txt

*reads*

 :lulz:

I take it Nechayev wasn't a fan of romantics?

I don't think he was a fan of anything, except killing people.  I've only ever seen one mental profile anywhere near his and it belonged to that arch-psychopath Carlos the Jackal, and even he has the shame to retreat into denial when pushed about it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 02, 2007, 10:14:47 am
Brilliant! Who the hell was this twat? Change the word "revolutionary" for "goth" and it gets even funnier.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2007, 10:33:42 am
 :lol:

Nechayev was a contemporary of Mikhail Bakunin, a Russian nihilist/anarchist who set up revolutionary cells over Russia, killed a guy for disagreeing with him, went on the run over Europe and spent the rest of his life in a Russian labour camp.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on March 02, 2007, 06:06:50 pm
...I'm posting this for the lulz, because seriously at this moment I'm reading Star Wars X-Wing : Rogue Squadron. The first in Michael Stackpole's series.

We have a library between a few of us here at work, so I was looking for some fast entertainment. I first read this one in high school.

In addition to that though I picked up a copy of 1984 from my parents while in Florida who didn't have a clue that they even had it. It's a bit too deep for at-work/commute reading, but the presence of it at my desk makes me look intelligent.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2007, 06:12:21 pm
I have an int0n3t version of 1984, if you want it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on March 02, 2007, 06:24:09 pm
Why? I have it in print right in front of me. I can't read on the screen anyway because after a while it makes my eyes jump really bad.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2007, 06:32:41 pm
Because then you dont have to look from book to screen.  Its easier.

Plus you can copy and paste slogans from the book and randomly IM them to people.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on March 02, 2007, 06:45:51 pm
*opens novel to random page*

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."

...Wow. I kinda like that.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 02, 2007, 10:25:02 pm
double plus ungood book that orwell one. Animal farm was teh l4me tho

My former flatmate is a star wars addict. He forced me at blasterpoint to read 'Tales from Jabbas Palace' It turned out to be a really cool read, anthology of short stories, each revolving around a different assassination attempt, made upon Jabba during the scene in the second film.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on March 03, 2007, 02:50:38 am
Well, The X-Wing books are fucking awesome. Stackpole is probably one of the best SW authors, I'd say even better than Zahn. The first book gives me a horrid toothache with the annoying Corellian happy cakes and shit.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on March 06, 2007, 01:00:08 am
*opens novel to random page*

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."

...Wow. I kinda like that.

That's a good name for what I do to piss my friends off.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 08, 2007, 02:28:21 pm
Went on a book buying spree.

Carl Schmitt's Concept of the Political, a couple of ideology textbooks (mostly for reference purposes) and The Grooves of Change by JF Brown, about Eastern Europe from the 80s to today.
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Post by: SuuCal on March 08, 2007, 03:32:45 pm
I've heard good things about the latter, keep me posted. :)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on March 08, 2007, 03:58:37 pm
huge hardcover collection of Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes with the orginal Strand Magazine illustrations by Sidney Paget
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 29, 2007, 09:38:25 am
William Cooper, Behold, A Pale Horse (classic conspiracy stuff, UFOs, Illuminati etc)
Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle
Mussolini, the Doctrine of Fascism
Hitler, Mein Kampf

The last two are for a paper.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on March 29, 2007, 02:02:12 pm
William Cooper, Behold, A Pale Horse (classic conspiracy stuff, UFOs, Illuminati etc)
Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle
Mussolini, the Doctrine of Fascism
Hitler, Mein Kampf

The last two are for a paper.



Sure they are.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mourning Star on March 29, 2007, 09:19:32 pm
William Cooper, Behold, A Pale Horse (classic conspiracy stuff, UFOs, Illuminati etc)
Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle
Mussolini, the Doctrine of Fascism
Hitler, Mein Kampf

The last two are for a paper.



Sure they are.

I tried Reading Mein Kampf

Hitler was long winded as hell...  The first 2 chapters bored me to tears...

never finished...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: guest7654 on March 30, 2007, 11:08:52 am
Just finished The Fingerprints of the Gods -Graham Hancock
Starting   Our Endangered Values  -Carter
               
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on March 30, 2007, 07:26:21 pm
Edward Said, Orientalism
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jenne on April 23, 2007, 04:04:31 pm
Roald Dahl's Omnibus--dude wrote some awesome adult fic.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on April 29, 2007, 02:04:59 am
The Reptoid Hypothesis: Utopian and Dystopian Representational Motifs in David Icke’s Alien Conspiracy Theory by Tyson Lewis and Richard Kahn

Its good actually, I'll upload it in a bit.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on April 29, 2007, 02:05:56 am
cool id be interested
i saw his doc a while back
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on April 29, 2007, 02:22:49 am
Currently reading Nanotechnology for Dummies, just finished the WH40K Ravenor trilogy.  Good sci-fi, to my tastes.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Fearless Freep on May 01, 2007, 02:21:49 am
World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War by Mel Brooks' son.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 06, 2007, 03:39:26 pm
The Reptoid Hypothesis: Utopian and Dystopian Representational Motifs in David Icke’s Alien Conspiracy Theory by Tyson Lewis and Richard Kahn

Its good actually, I'll upload it in a bit.

did you ever finish that?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 06, 2007, 06:09:43 pm
Yeah, sorry.  Its not very long, only 30 odd pages.  Go to http://getvegan.com/blog/ickereptoid.pdf for a download.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 06, 2007, 06:21:52 pm
thanks
 :D
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on May 07, 2007, 12:22:41 am
Been mainly reading forums lately, but still reading Nano for dummies sometimes.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: bubz_the_troll on May 07, 2007, 03:38:44 am
I've just finished The Chronicles of Narnia today.  I've ever read the full series before.

Here's what's on my plate currently.

- Weird Tales April/May Issue
- Analog June Issue
- Realms of Fantasy June Issue
- The Illuminatus Trilogy (because I've never read it.  Don't hate)
- Celtic Myths and Legends - T.W. Rolleston
- Bunch of other coffee table books about mythology and archeology.
- All of those PDF Discordian books
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on May 07, 2007, 05:42:30 am
I've just finished The Chronicles of Narnia today.  I've ever read the full series before.

Here's what's on my plate currently.

- Weird Tales April/May Issue
- Analog June Issue
- Realms of Fantasy June Issue
- The Illuminatus Trilogy (because I've never read it.  Don't hate)
- Celtic Myths and Legends - T.W. Rolleston
- Bunch of other coffee table books about mythology and archeology.
- All of those PDF Discordian books

It counts if you stop reading Illuminatus! after it starts to suck about halfway through.  Just saving you some time.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on May 07, 2007, 05:43:57 am
It counts if you just read the sex scenes.

Even more time saved.

edit: though not a lot more.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on May 07, 2007, 04:56:16 pm
you can at the very least skip the three pages of band names. nothing interesting there.

there was some cool stuff in the second half, but yeah, it's okay if you just skim it from there.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2007, 04:58:19 pm
Also, the acid-trip homage to Joyce's "Anna Belle Liffey" chapter can pretty much be skimmed over, too.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on May 07, 2007, 05:03:52 pm
which is that?

also, the bit about the guy shooting the last eagle can be skipped (it's the very last page)

and the book seems really complicated at first and confuses you a lot, thinking you might need to take notes and re-read certain parts, but that's really not the case, it tries to confuse you on purpose and in the end there's not really much you'll miss if you just keep pushing the reading onwards. and it turns out only one guy is actually another guy in real (except of course that All Is One)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2007, 05:09:35 pm
"NoIsaidNoIsaidNo," etc .
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on May 07, 2007, 06:15:29 pm
well I reread Illuminatus a few months ago and I still love the whole fuckin' book.

When I first read it at age 17 it blew my brain apart and opened the floodgates for all sorts of cool stuff in my life.

Less brain-blowing now (at 25), but I caught a lot more of the references.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2007, 06:17:47 pm
Hey, I've still got my thumb-worn copy kicking around.

But I tend to re-read Quantum Psychology more often.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 07, 2007, 06:19:16 pm
I keep meaning to get that.

Also, Prometheus Rising pwns almost everything else RAW has done.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 07, 2007, 06:20:14 pm
The two books mentioned above are really the only RAW books you need.  The rest are just commentary.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on May 07, 2007, 06:26:47 pm
I keep meaning to get that.

Also, Prometheus Rising pwns almost everything else RAW has done.

Troof. If you only read ONE RAW book, make it Prometheus Rising. Illuminatus! is fun, Schroedinger's Cat trilogy is entertaining, the Cosmic Trigger stuff can be amusing, but Prometheus Rising ... pure quality.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: bubz_the_troll on May 08, 2007, 02:15:07 am
I'll make my own assessments about the book.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on May 08, 2007, 03:30:02 am
That'll be my next Wilson book. 

Bubz, don't take our word.  See for yourself that Illuminatus! was a raw deal. ;)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: bubz_the_troll on May 08, 2007, 04:34:43 am
Okay LeVar.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on May 08, 2007, 09:31:53 am
read illuminatus once, blew my brain
second time, less so, but it was funny
third time i really got enough of it halfway through and stopped.

prometheus rising .. i read it a few months ago when Cram (or someone) posted the pdf:

1) i STILL haven't found my 20 eurocent coin in the first exercise i had been imagining so VIVIDLY (in fact i lost 2 euros the evening after i read that exercise)
2) really liked the first chapter, nonetheless.
3) it's probably that i read most of the other ideas from other sources already (deoxy.org etc) that i wasn't that impressed with the rest of the book.

this, incidentally was the reason why illuminatus was such a mindfuck to me, all the stuff i had encountered and been looking for in my life, all the weird stuff, even up to discordianism and much much more (http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~ade/sld/), came together in illuminatus. it was sorta like time reversed, i can imagine someone reading illuminatus and start looking up all those things out of interest. to me it was the other way around. i just stumbled on all these weird fringe philosophy crazy shit myself, didn't even know a large part of it was written by RAW, and suddenly it came together in illuminatus. that was the weirdest summer ever.

4) i'd like you guys thoughts about the thing he says somewhere further in the book, about that mass religious experience that 100.000 people saw and was some sort of 5th or 6th circuit mass illumination that was supposedly well-documented and explain by carl sagan as "100.000 people hallucinating the same thing" .. if it is true what he says, it's quite amazing. what exactly happened?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: cyberus on May 08, 2007, 10:02:00 am
prometheus rising .. i read it a few months ago when Cram (or someone) posted the pdf:

Link, anyone?

EDIT:

http://www.rawilsonfans.com/downloads/prometheus.pdf

Thanks, 000.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on May 08, 2007, 10:42:18 am
1 - http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?action=search (keyword "prometheus")

2 - http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11870.msg368787#msg368787

3 - http://www.rawilsonfans.com/downloads/prometheus.pdf
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2007, 10:48:31 am
It was also in my psychology rar download, in the Library.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 01:33:31 pm
4) i'd like you guys thoughts about the thing he says somewhere further in the book, about that mass religious experience that 100.000 people saw and was some sort of 5th or 6th circuit mass illumination that was supposedly well-documented and explain by carl sagan as "100.000 people hallucinating the same thing" .. if it is true what he says, it's quite amazing. what exactly happened?


No one knows.  That's the point.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2007, 01:34:30 pm
That was Fatima, right?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 01:36:48 pm
Either that, or something much like it.


Personally, I think RAW's point was, "the EXPERTS can't possibly know everything that goes on in this world."
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2007, 01:42:29 pm
True, but that also doesn't mean we should take the word of a sexually frustrated bigot who believes he is the representative of an imaginary Jewish superhero that lives in the sky and his adoring cultists as to the events, either.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 01:45:05 pm
Unless that person is ME, of course.






[edit: of course not.  I don't think he was saying that, either.  "I dunno" seems to be the closest he gets.]
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on May 08, 2007, 02:53:35 pm
4) i'd like you guys thoughts about the thing he says somewhere further in the book, about that mass religious experience that 100.000 people saw and was some sort of 5th or 6th circuit mass illumination that was supposedly well-documented and explain by carl sagan as "100.000 people hallucinating the same thing" .. if it is true what he says, it's quite amazing. what exactly happened?


No one knows.  That's the point.

no, but what sorta happened?

was there really 100.000 people believing something with bright lights and ecstacy and stuff?

when was this again?

he keeps on going on about how well-documented this event is, but i never heard of it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2007, 02:55:00 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fatima
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on May 08, 2007, 03:22:25 pm
I dug Prometheus Rising as well. I'd been listening to a lot of Wilson's mp3s about the 8-circuit model and Prometheus summed it up very well. But to compare it with Illuminatus is kind of an apples/oranges comparison since one is fiction and one is nonfiction.

I'm still looking for that damn quarter.

Incidentally, I had been a Discordian for about 6 months when I randomly picked up Illuminatus at the bookstore because I thought it had a cool cover. When it turned out to be about Discordians, I pretty much freaked out.

I just finished reading Phillip K Dick's Flow My Tears the Policeman Said, which is the first PKD I've ever read. Very enjoyable, but I'm still not comfortable with his explanation of what was really going on. Next: Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 03:29:13 pm
You really can't go wrong with PKD.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 08, 2007, 03:30:01 pm
Unless you allow his thinking to infect you and you have a mental breakdown.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 03:30:44 pm
You mean ZEBRA isn't real??????????
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on May 08, 2007, 03:47:20 pm
Man in the High Castle is a great PKD read (one of the first ones by him I read). Ubik and Time out of Joint are fascinating reads regarding the perception of time, and The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (while a bit tough to get through at points) is a great religio-philosophical book. Although, as LMNO said, you really can't go wrong with any of his stuff  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Cramulus on May 08, 2007, 03:50:28 pm
Okay - opinion poll
I'm borrowing both The Man in the High Castle and Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep right now. Which do you think I should read first?
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 08, 2007, 03:57:39 pm
Androids

My opinion
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Post by: That One Guy on May 08, 2007, 04:00:15 pm
Hmmm ... tough call. I'd say go with The Man in the High Castle, although they're both excellent. However, if you've seen Blade Runner, I'd go with Androids, since you're missing out on about half the story from the (admittedly excellent) movie version and deserve to get all the interesting bits   8)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 08, 2007, 04:18:40 pm
A Scanner Darkly is cool, too.

So is Ubik.

http://www.pkdickbooks.com/ if you please.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 08, 2007, 08:41:52 pm
DMT - The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman

(almost done...book report for Prof Cram if he still wants one)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 08, 2007, 08:47:46 pm
A Scanner Darkly is cool, too.

So is Ubik.


the man who japed is underrated
very interesting read
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 13, 2007, 06:52:27 am
I just restarted Snow Crash.

Its been a long time.  11 years, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2007, 04:26:01 pm
I'm now reading something else LMNO may like: Battlefield Earth, by Mr $cientology himself.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2007, 04:33:57 pm
Gah!


Did you know that's Mitt Romney's favorite book?

Let me know if you make it past the first 50 paes.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2007, 04:44:25 pm
Really?  I thought he was a Mormon?  Or was it a Moron?  Anyway, this is awful. I got it off of 4chan for a laugh, but its a word file and I hate having to read those.
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Post by: AFK on May 14, 2007, 04:45:21 pm
He is a Mormon.  Of course, he does tend to waffle so he could very well be a Pastafarian now for all we know. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2007, 04:47:55 pm
Really?  I thought he was a Mormon?  Or was it a Moron?  Anyway, this is awful. I got it off of 4chan for a laugh, but its a word file and I hate having to read those.


Yup.  Mormon.


I can't tell which is worse:

A President who's a Mormon.
A President that reads Scientologist Science Fiction.
A President who's favorite book, ever, is Battlefield Earth.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2007, 04:48:09 pm
You'd think the even wackier Sci-Fi series, the Book of Mormon, would be his favourite, then...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 14, 2007, 06:23:50 pm
The Tibetan Book of The Dead (Evans-Wentz translation)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on May 14, 2007, 06:26:35 pm
The Tibetan Book of The Dead (Evans-Wentz translation)

I need to re-read that. Haven't touched it since high school.

I'm currently re-reading Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson, having just finished re-reading his Baroque Cycle.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2007, 06:31:24 pm
Fucking hell, you re-read that?

I could hardly make it through Quicksilver.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 14, 2007, 06:32:14 pm
I've not read any Neal Stephenson, even though a good friend of mine is a big fan and is certain that I'd get into it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on May 14, 2007, 06:41:11 pm
Fucking hell, you re-read that?

I could hardly make it through Quicksilver.

Hehe - read it all the way through maybe 4 times. It's a great story that just happens to take up, oh, 3000 or so pages. I tend to re-read things a few times as I usually pick up different bits and pieces along the way. I go through books VERY quickly - the whole Baroque Cycle takes me about 2 weeks unless I have more free time than usual. I love character development, and the way everything flows around in the Cycle is great. I know it recently got re-released as 9 or 10 separate books, breaking the larger ones up into smaller, more manageable chunks - might help to deal with it that way. However, I can definitely understand why it might not be everyone's (even Stephenson fans') proverbial cup of tea.

I've not read any Neal Stephenson, even though a good friend of mine is a big fan and is certain that I'd get into it.

I love Stephenson. I'd recommend starting with Snow Crash, then the Diamond Age if you're interested.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2007, 06:49:00 pm
Snow Crash is very accessible as a book.  Zodiac is meant to be OK too, from what I hear.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2007, 06:50:00 pm
Zodiac, Diamond Age, Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon.  I liked all of those.

I could not really begin to care about Quicksilver.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 14, 2007, 07:00:21 pm
Also, the excerpts from In the Beginning...was the Command Line make it seem pretty good, even if OS geek wars do not interest you (and probably mean it is now the Bible of Slashdot posters, too).
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Post by: That One Guy on May 14, 2007, 07:04:44 pm
Zodiac, Diamond Age, Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon.  I liked all of those.

Indeed - great stuff all. Zodiac is especially fun for Bostonians, since it's full of weird little tidbits unique to our weird city. I haven't read In the Beginning ... yet - heard it was excellent though. Also, there's an early novel of his, Interface written under the pen name Stephen Bury, that's all about a presidential election and the making of the leading candidate that gets a chip placed in his head after a stroke that allows him to be "run" by his campaign manager. Some great stuff on the nature of media in campaigns in that one.

Quote
I could not really begin to care about Quicksilver.

I can understand that. I really like historical fiction, though, so that definitely makes it easier for me to get into the Baroque Cycle. After reading all of it, I generally re-read Cryptonomicon right after to see the threads that run from one to the other - some very entertaining bits carry over from Cryptonomicon into the Cycle. I love that sort of thing  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 20, 2007, 06:30:50 pm
Almost done with Tibetan Book Of The Dead

Currently working on 'The Closing Of The Western Mind' (Charles Freeman). A ripsnorting trip through history, explaining how the Dark Ages came to be.

What hooked me in, was the author's premise that we have been led to believe that Religion was a dominant paradigm later challenged by Science. He posits that, in fact, it was the other way 'round. The Greek philosophical tradition (before the popularity of Plato & spread of Chrisitanity) was based on rationalism, logic and the necessity of evidence.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 20, 2007, 06:42:24 pm

Currently working on 'The Closing Of The Western Mind'. A ripsnorting trip through history, explaining how the Dark Ages came to be.

What hooked me in, was the author's premise that we have been led to believe that Religion was a dominant paradigm later challenged by Science. He posits that, in fact, it was the other way 'round. The Greek philosophical tradition (before the popularity of Plato & spread of Chrisitanity) was based on rationalism, logic and the necessity of evidence.


one thing that comes to mind immediately is that pagan romans activitly surpressed parts of greek and more importantly Persian philosophy and abstract science that they felt would challenge the status of the state (something that got much much worse when they adapted a pro-state version of Christianity and this was seen in morale terms)

I am so going to track down that book
it sounds fasinating
the period of the Holy Roman Empire and its decline ie. roughly 350 to 470 AD, is my favorite historical period
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 20, 2007, 06:43:19 pm
Compare

Lucretius
vs
Anselm

on who was more scientific.  Then look how far they were apart in history from each other.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 20, 2007, 10:07:23 pm
TI:

"When the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in the fourth century AD and declared it the official religion of the Roman empire, he initiated a change that would thrust the Western world into a dark age. The Closing of the Western Mind is Charles Freemans' enthralling account of this pivotal point in Western history.

Drawing on his encyclopedic knowledge of the ancient world, Freeman shows how the first alliance of church and state resulted in the abandonment of the Greek intellectual tradition. He explains how the efforts of Christian leaders to establish orthodoxy and solidify their position within the state led them to stifle debate and dissent and to paper over doctrinal contradictions. And he examines early church councils, writings, art, and such personalities as Augustine and Ambrose of Milan in a fascinating chronicle of the church's expanding influence, the origins of its uneasiness with sexuality, its profound opposition to science, and the development of anti-Semitism. With brilliance, clarity, and an eye for the vital detail, Freeman has made a signal contribution to our understanding of the early church and the legacy of faith's subjugation of reason."

(from the back cover blurb)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 20, 2007, 10:20:39 pm
Does he go much into the effects of the end of the Republic?  Because when I studied Roman Republican history, one of the things I noticed was almost everyone who had been part of a broader cultural movement against the end of the Republic had been Greek influenced.  Or the other way around, that many of those who had been Greek influenced also happened to be the staunchest defenders of the Republic in its last years.  You can ask Roger about Cicero...Catullus tried to salvage some of the Greek classical nobility and preserve it in Roman poetry, Lucretius was influential in philosophy and metaphysics, Cornelius Nepos wrote a scathing attack against Caesar disguised as historical essays....so on and so forth.

Also, I'm reading The Dark Legacy by R. A. Salvatore.  Its looking good, actually, so far.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 20, 2007, 11:57:54 pm
wow that book sounds at the least really interesting
Im going to have to call the universtiy library to see if they have or get a copy..
cause Im a distance from the university and not aloud to take books off campus (being a non-student) I can hopefully finish it in one sitting
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 21, 2007, 12:45:26 am
Cain - I'll have to get back to you on the Roman republic stuff. I'm about 100+ pages in.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 21, 2007, 10:40:21 am
Thats OK.

I got the name of the book I was reading wrong, so you're doing better than me right now.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 21, 2007, 01:04:07 pm
Thats OK.

I got the name of the book I was reading wrong, so you're doing better than me right now.

Go to see OB. You need moar gin fountain.  :wink:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 21, 2007, 04:19:38 pm
The OB needs a Time of Troubles.  The alcohol spirits should be cast down to walk the forums in mortal form.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 26, 2007, 08:20:18 pm
rereading "Why Must a Black Writer Write About Sex" - (english translation) by Dany Laferriere for the 3rd time
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on May 28, 2007, 03:06:57 pm
"the end of faith" - sam  harris
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on May 29, 2007, 03:13:22 pm
The OB needs a Time of Troubles.  The alcohol spirits should be cast down to walk the forums in mortal form.


I don't know what this means, but it sounds pretty fucking cool.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 29, 2007, 03:20:19 pm
The OB needs a Time of Troubles.  The alcohol spirits should be cast down to walk the forums in mortal form.


I don't know what this means, but it sounds pretty fucking cool.

*dons nerdly looking D&D hat*

The Time of Troubles was when all the gods were cast to the prime material plane (ie; the fantasy earth) because a couple of them were raving kleptomaniacs and cutting their hands off tends not to work on abstract concepts masquerading as humans.  So all their priests lost their spells and if you killed a god, you got to steal their portfolio and place in the heavens.

Cain,
will kill Scotch if this comes to pass.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on May 29, 2007, 03:21:00 pm
Also, I'm now reading The Stand.
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Post by: LMNO on May 29, 2007, 03:49:29 pm
Dibs on killing Rye.
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Post by: Cain on May 29, 2007, 03:53:10 pm
If you kill multiples, you can become a cocktail god. 8)
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Post by: LMNO on May 29, 2007, 03:54:19 pm
Then Gin and Vermouth are on my hitlist, too.
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Post by: Cain on May 29, 2007, 03:55:07 pm
I pity the fool who kills Appletini.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 29, 2007, 04:08:44 pm
*quickly claims Beer before anyone else does*
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Post by: bubz_the_troll on May 30, 2007, 03:26:49 am
I have now begun reading The Illuminatus! Trilogy.  Early thoughts:  WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE TRIPLE SPACES BETWEEN NARRATIVE ELEMENTS?!?!  Thank you that is all!
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 30, 2007, 02:36:27 pm
no see, he can change mid-paragraph the point of view, narrator, location AND time

because um

i guess if you can get past that, it gets you in the mood to accept the other stuff as well
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Post by: LMNO on May 30, 2007, 02:45:48 pm
It's, like, non-linear post-modernism.

If you can do a jump cut in a film or a video, why can't you do it in a book?
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Post by: Jasper on May 30, 2007, 03:24:40 pm
Because it's pretentious as fuck and doesn't really add anything meaningful.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 30, 2007, 04:30:52 pm
no man,

because it's like an example, of like the relavitiy and non-localness of time and space, man

and that it's all subjective

you know
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Post by: LMNO on May 30, 2007, 04:33:18 pm
You wouldn't, like, understand.
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Post by: Cramulus on May 30, 2007, 05:45:27 pm
Illuminatus opens talking about the Ringmaster. The Ringmaster (narrator) is everybody at once, throughout time, including that squirrel. Waaaaay later in the book he comes back to that idea when the narrative really starts to come apart.

As I recall, the Shrodinger's Cat trilogy delves a lot deeper into that idea of simultaneously nonlocality.

I recall it being really frustrating and confusing the first time I read it, but really cool and beautiful when I came back to it knowing what he was going for.


As for me, right now I'm reading PKD's The Man in the High Castle, which I am borrowing from Darth Cupcake.
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Post by: Cain on May 30, 2007, 06:34:27 pm
Currently reading Foucault's Pendulum, because I finally bothered to order it off of Amazon.  So far, so good.  A little slow, in the start, but I do like the dialogue.
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Post by: LMNO on May 30, 2007, 06:38:14 pm
It's a little slow in the middle and the end, too.

After all, it's Eco.
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Post by: Cain on May 30, 2007, 06:46:26 pm
True.  Still, its nice to read while I wait for my computer (not my mega-fast laptop but the other one) to load its shit.  Or recover from a crash.
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Post by: LMNO on May 30, 2007, 06:47:58 pm
Oh, I agree, it's not a bad read, it's just not like, say, Pratchett.
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Post by: Cain on May 30, 2007, 06:52:59 pm
Yeah.  It actually reminds me of a lot of my tutorials, unsurprisingly I suppose.  meandering, vaguely academic, but pretty interesting and occasionally humourous.
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Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 30, 2007, 07:29:26 pm
Oh, I agree, it's not a bad read, it's just not like, say, Pratchett.

you really got the bug then? Good luck finding time to do things like eat and sleep for the next couple of months  :lulz:
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Post by: bubz_the_troll on May 30, 2007, 09:26:20 pm
no see, he can change mid-paragraph the point of view, narrator, location AND time

because um

i guess if you can get past that, it gets you in the mood to accept the other stuff as well
Strangely enough I find the mid paragraph POV changes easier to understand than when they switch after a new paragraph.  It's only when there is no obvious cue that the POV has changed that I get confused.  The multiple "I"'s are the most confusing.
It's, like, non-linear post-modernism.

If you can do a jump cut in a film or a video, why can't you do it in a book?
Actually this is exactly what the writing reminds me of.  However RS and RAW keep breaking the 180¬? rule.
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Post by: That One Guy on May 30, 2007, 09:38:38 pm
Breaking rules and altering from the expected (even the expected "unexpected") is pretty much the point of the whole thing. RS and RAW managed to work that into every little weird angle at many, many levels of the books.

All in all a fun read  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jasper on May 31, 2007, 11:39:42 pm
It impressed a 16 year old Felix, at any rate.
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Post by: LMNO on June 01, 2007, 02:03:43 pm
Yeah.

I know we like to slam it now, but when I read it, all those years ago, i really got into it.


But we grow, and move on.
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Post by: Cain on June 04, 2007, 09:40:25 pm
Lukyanenko, The Night Watch.

Big in Russia, both the film and the book.  And most of E. Europe, IIRC.

Not bad.  Bit, well, standard action fare-ish, but mixed with some genuinely interesting stuff.  And vampires.  Can't forget the vampires.  First 2 chapters are good hooks, too.
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Post by: Mangrove on June 05, 2007, 12:21:08 am
what i am not reading:

a dead tree version of 'complete golden dawn'. why? because i ordered it, got charged, was told it 'shipped' and then weeks later, told that the book didn't exist and thus i was left to go fuck myself.

so double thanks to cain for the PDF because now that's the only version i have.

otherwise reading: 'supernatural' by graham hancock.



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Post by: Deepthroat Chopra on June 05, 2007, 12:40:31 am
I'm just finishing John Pilger's "Freedon next Time". There's chapters on American/British treatment of the Chagos Islanders, a critique of the "new" India, a deconstruction of the New South Africa, and more on Palestine/Israel. I'm just starting the chapter on Afghanistan.

A problem I have with Pilger is that I tend to agree with bloody everything he writes just about. Does anyone know a good place that critiques him? Most critiques I've read are hollow, and don't address the substance.
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Post by: Payne on June 05, 2007, 12:46:22 am
I haven't found anything that offers a good critique on the substance of pilgers work, but if I come across something, I'll let you know.
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Post by: Cain on June 05, 2007, 01:46:04 pm
what i am not reading:

a dead tree version of 'complete golden dawn'. why? because i ordered it, got charged, was told it 'shipped' and then weeks later, told that the book didn't exist and thus i was left to go fuck myself.

so double thanks to cain for the PDF because now that's the only version i have.

otherwise reading: 'supernatural' by graham hancock.





Damn.  You getting your money back, then?  If so, its probably a good stroke of luck.
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Post by: Cain on June 05, 2007, 01:47:25 pm
I'm just finishing John Pilger's "Freedon next Time". There's chapters on American/British treatment of the Chagos Islanders, a critique of the "new" India, a deconstruction of the New South Africa, and more on Palestine/Israel. I'm just starting the chapter on Afghanistan.

A problem I have with Pilger is that I tend to agree with bloody everything he writes just about. Does anyone know a good place that critiques him? Most critiques I've read are hollow, and don't address the substance.

I can't think of many.  I know some of the stuff he has written is....off, somehow, but I cannot remember why.  With the Chagos Islanders though, he is dead on.
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Post by: Mangrove on June 05, 2007, 05:48:36 pm
what i am not reading:

a dead tree version of 'complete golden dawn'. why? because i ordered it, got charged, was told it 'shipped' and then weeks later, told that the book didn't exist and thus i was left to go fuck myself.

so double thanks to cain for the PDF because now that's the only version i have.

otherwise reading: 'supernatural' by graham hancock.





Damn.  You getting your money back, then?  If so, its probably a good stroke of luck.

i got my money back. abebooks then sent me a questionnaire about my buying experience. problem was that i didn't actually have one.  :sad:

serves me right though, i'm not likely to get this book for less than $100-200+. this is the second time i've tried to get a cheap copy online and it's ended in tears. meh.

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Post by: Cain on June 05, 2007, 06:13:06 pm
All works out well in the end though, doesn't it?  8)
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Post by: Cain on June 08, 2007, 01:24:50 pm
Finished Foucault's Pendulum.

Now reading James Adams, The Next World War.  Pretty much the best English language book on Information Warfare outside of Pentagon texts.
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Post by: SBCU on June 08, 2007, 02:23:12 pm
Finished War and Peace by Tolstoy.

Started Youth by Joseph Conrad.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on June 08, 2007, 02:35:53 pm
Just starting in on Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace. I haven't slept enough this week so I keep going face down in the book when I start it, so hopefully this weekend + beach will see me make more progress.

I absolutely adore DFW's short story collection Girl With Curious Hair. His writing is great, if admittedly very much dark humor.
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Post by: LMNO on June 08, 2007, 03:20:14 pm
The only good thing about Infinite Jest is the list of movies.


Man, that book sucked.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on June 08, 2007, 03:23:16 pm
The only good thing about Infinite Jest is the list of movies.


Man, that book sucked.

This is what I am told. I am told that his short fiction is much, much better--and as I said, I really enjoyed a book of his short fiction.

So we'll see how it turns out. I really enjoy books that can double as self-defense mechanisms, though, so carrying around the cinderblock that is Infinite Jest is kind of fun, so I'll probably end up getting all the way through it pretty soon.

-DC
Also has Gravity's Rainbow on her shelf for similar roommate-smacking purposes
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Post by: Cain on June 08, 2007, 03:24:33 pm
Private Eye, Issue 1186.  Just got the letters page.
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 08, 2007, 06:28:29 pm
1. The Sling and The Stone (Nice discussion of 4GW tactics)
2. Smoke and Mirrors - Neil Gaiman
3. The Bobinomicon
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Post by: Cain on June 08, 2007, 06:37:01 pm
Who wrote The Sling and the Stone?  I just ordered Brave New War by John Robb, and could do with more 4GW stuff for my library.  Especially if it includes systems analysis style thinking.
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 08, 2007, 07:55:51 pm
Colonel Thomas X. Hammes (Active Duty) his book does a fantastic job of following the development of 4GW from Mao through Iraq with stopovers in most of the conflicts since WWII ;-)
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Post by: SBCU on June 08, 2007, 09:18:11 pm
 :argh!: Read War and Peace by Tolstoy and you will also get a description of 4GW.

Oh yeah, sorry, doesn't fit in the US time line.
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Post by: bubz_the_troll on June 12, 2007, 02:50:50 am
I've just begun reading Book of Lies The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult.
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Post by: SBCU on June 12, 2007, 11:07:16 am
Finished Youth and Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Begun reading The end of the Tether by... Joseph Conrad
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Post by: Cain on June 12, 2007, 11:31:52 am
:argh!: Read War and Peace by Tolstoy and you will also get a description of 4GW.

Oh yeah, sorry, doesn't fit in the US time line.

Sorry, I'd rather kill myself than read War and Peace.

Oh, and I'm an Australian, jackass.  Sorry that doesn't fit into your petty insult slinging.
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Post by: SBCU on June 12, 2007, 05:00:31 pm
Oh, and I'm an Australian, jackass.  Sorry that doesn't fit into your petty insult slinging.

It's not you who thought up the 4GW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4GW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4GW)
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Post by: Cain on June 12, 2007, 05:08:53 pm
Actually, I've pretty much talked about 4GW on this board for the last couple of years, to inform my thinking on certain aspects of Discordian ideas.

And while its not Americans who came up with it, the Pentagon are the only people putting money into researching it thoroughly (and letting people look at the results without kidnapping them or slitting their throats) and I'd rather read an academic/military text than a piece of fiction on this subject, any day of the week.
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Post by: SBCU on June 12, 2007, 05:26:03 pm
Actually, I've pretty much talked about 4GW on this board for the last couple of years, to inform my thinking on certain aspects of Discordian ideas.

And while its not Americans who came up with it, the Pentagon are the only people putting money into researching it thoroughly (and letting people look at the results without kidnapping them or slitting their throats) and I'd rather read an academic/military text than a piece of fiction on this subject, any day of the week.

I fully understand the interest in 4GW and of course it benefits the Pentagon to have people research this way of waging war. And it can also benefit us that they are doing research on this subject, so we can learn something about a certain type of warfare. Though I think that the idea that 4GW is a new tactic within modern warfare can and ought to be challenged. I mentioned War and Peace, because Tolstoy describes within this book a 'new' type of warfare, that can be described as 4GW. Of course War and Peace is mostly fiction, but there is a lot of tactical and historical philosophy within the book (in the end the history rules the tactical, but that's up to Tolstoy).

I disagree with the strict 4 steps that are the basis of the 4GW thesis. Even though they show a certain development of tactics (mostly because of technical developments), they focus on how to fight against tactics that bother the US army at that given time. Right now it is against terrorism, because the US army is mostly fighting against... terrorism. While I believe that during 1, 2 and 3 GW, there was also 4GW at work, but it didn't have such a priority in the US army agenda. I could agree with different types of warfare, but not with strict generations like the 4GW thesis gives us.
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Post by: Cain on June 12, 2007, 05:38:36 pm
Oh certainly, its not a totally accurate representation.  You could easily say 4GW is the same as the third stage in Martin van Creveld's method of dividing the history of modern warfare, as well as a bunch of other comparisons.  But its a conceptually helpful way of thinking about it, just like Information Warfare is another useful divide.

And I'm not sure anyone has actually posited that 4GW is a new method of fighting.  There is plenty of historical precedent, its just as firepower for the individual soldier increases, war becomes non-existential for western states, the arms trade, communications and globalization give advantages to non-state actors, its going to become much more popular - as guerrilla warfare become in the last century.
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 12, 2007, 05:50:52 pm
4GW is a model or map... the Map is not the Territory.

Sure people have always engaged in some aspects of insurgency when at War, however 4GW usually references the more modern concept of:

A) Insurgency as the major piece of warfare, versus insurgency as a subset of a larger war.
2) The Insurgency is not managed by any State.
III) The insurgency has an active PR arm to manage recruitment of local civilians and to win international support.

Before Mao, insurgency was a much different concept, and really, before the Sandinista the concept of local PR wasn't well understood. During the First Intifada, the use of PR for International support was proven to be very effective.

Just like any other product of evolution, I don't think 4GW is brand new and unique, but we can model it as having evolved from earlier similar methods of war and it seems to have become refined enough to garner its own label for the purpose of discussion.
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Post by: SBCU on June 13, 2007, 01:12:46 pm
Nice book on the 'modernity' of terrorism: Al Qaeda and what it means to be Modern. by John Gray.
Nice book on the defense of the US: Surprise, Security and the American Experience. by John Lewis Gaddis.

An example of 4GW: The third phase of the Second Boer War.
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Post by: SBCU on June 14, 2007, 11:49:35 am
Finished The end of the Tether. by Joseph Conrad.
Begun The Writer and the World. by V.S. Naipaul.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on June 20, 2007, 08:20:08 pm
Just picked up on lunch break:

Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture by Ariel Levy. I've actually already read this, but it was a borrowed copy. It's really, really good, so I wanted to pick up my own copy to mark up/loan out to people.

Girl, Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen. I've read snippets of it and I really like her narrative voice. So we'll see how the whole thing goes.

MOAR BOOKS! My shelves will never be full enough!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on June 21, 2007, 11:25:16 am
Finished The Consolations of Travel by Alain de Botton, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and Brave New War by John Robb.  A review on the last one will go up on the blog, once I get my laptop back.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on June 21, 2007, 05:18:52 pm
Just finished Survivor by Chuck Palahniuk, getting started on Diary.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on June 21, 2007, 05:19:33 pm
Chuck's starting to get a little formulaic, if you ask me.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on June 21, 2007, 05:29:32 pm
Chuck's starting to get a little formulaic, if you ask me.

I've been noticing that a little bit myself, but they're still good books.
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Post by: Triple Zero on June 21, 2007, 05:52:07 pm
how many of you need to resist the urge to reply "this forum" every time they see it marked with a new message in it?

every time.

my subconscious is killing me with bad attempts at humour.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on June 21, 2007, 05:54:52 pm
If you look through the old pages on this, you'll see it's been done.

and done.



and done.
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Post by: Cramulus on June 21, 2007, 05:55:51 pm
 :cheers:

just like every time I see a new post in the "what are you listening to right now" thread I must resist replying "tapping on the keyboard, my coworker's mouthbreathing"
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Post by: Triple Zero on June 21, 2007, 06:01:12 pm
If you look through the old pages on this, you'll see it's been done.

and done.



and done.

i know. that's why i don't.

(this is one of those jokes that had already been done before they were invented)

it just surprises me that everytime:

1. new message at unofficial what are you reading thread?
2. "hm good question, what am i reading, anything good lately? some more pratchett .. oh wait i'm reading this forum -- wait let's not post that."

- 000
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Post by: AFK on June 22, 2007, 02:00:46 pm
I'm re-reading all of my reports and spreadsheets for this grant that ends next Saturday.  I need to combine all of this shit into a couple of shiny reports for the State.  Oh, and I just got an e-mail this morning from the evaluation firm the State is using letting all of the grantees know that they are going to be "graded" on the final products.  Nothing like heaping pressure onto pressure.  I hate them muchly this morning. 
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Post by: Mangrove on June 23, 2007, 06:53:30 pm
FINALLY!

I am reading The Complete Golden Dawn System Of Magic.

It arrived after 3 attempts in 4 months. I now have a nice hardback 1994 edition of this tome.

[phew]
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Post by: Sweety on June 23, 2007, 10:45:58 pm
I heard that that (regardie GD book) is good (or god or whatever), still I think its slow old paradigm CM, anyway do as thou wilt or even as you will...

right now Im reading the dada manifestos, a book on poetry, something about mutational alchemy, some stories by clark ashton smith and the latest book on single malt by michael jackson...
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Post by: Mangrove on June 26, 2007, 05:45:01 pm
the Regardie book is good and occasionally a lot funnier than you'd might expect from a book of that nature.
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Post by: avatar on June 27, 2007, 04:52:52 pm
Well, because I've read this forum... I won't post the tired old hackneyed phrase... 

Instead... I'm reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, and re-reading The Name of The Rose- Umberto Eco

Avatar
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Post by: Cramulus on June 27, 2007, 04:54:07 pm
welcome Avatar!

I'd seen you lurking, wondered when you'd come out and play

I was eagerly anticipating a good avatar...
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 06, 2007, 01:46:37 am
I heard that that (regardie GD book) is good (or god or whatever), still I think its slow old paradigm CM,

Well, Thelema and GD did (I think) influence Carroll, Hine and other Chaos Magicians, but to me the GD stuff, like Crowley's Thelemic stuff are systems, whereas Chaos magic tends to appear more as a metasystem.

Anyway, I'm just finishing up "Smoke and Mirrors" by Neil Gaiman, also recently finished 'Neverwhere' by the same author. Excellent Short stories in Smoke and Mirrors, excellent fantasy in Neverwhere.
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Post by: Slarti on July 06, 2007, 03:24:24 am
Tarot: A Key to the wisdom of the ages by paul foster case. pretty good so far.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Forteetu on July 06, 2007, 03:59:33 am
Tarot: A Key to the wisdom of the ages by paul foster case. pretty good so far.

Just printed and started reading the BIP.

Open question to the BIP crew ...
Any thought to puting this in a page1 to page 27 (top to bottom) format in pdf? Would be nice to not be forced to print it and make it into a booklet just to read it thru.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on July 06, 2007, 02:04:56 pm
Think of it as Creative Disorder.   :fnord:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 06, 2007, 02:14:48 pm
Tarot: A Key to the wisdom of the ages by paul foster case. pretty good so far.

Just printed and started reading the BIP.

Open question to the BIP crew ...
Any thought to puting this in a page1 to page 27 (top to bottom) format in pdf? Would be nice to not be forced to print it and make it into a booklet just to read it thru.


If you want to go ahead and do it, go ahead and do it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 06, 2007, 02:34:10 pm
I recently finished Girl, Interrupted and found it to be good, though I have some mixed feelings on it. One of the best parts of it is that she intersperses the chapters with photocopies of the actual documents from when she was hospitalized. It's pretty interesting to see what people considered "valid science/psychiatry" in the late 60s.

The other day I picked up Virgin: The Untouched History which is a study of virginity and its cultural significance. Sounds pretty interesting, and I will be starting that any time now.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Forteetu on July 06, 2007, 03:29:13 pm

If you want to go ahead and do it, go ahead and do it.

Ah ... I'm beginning to see how this works now, suggestive volunteerism

if you suggest it, vis a vis, you have volunteered to do it
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 06, 2007, 03:31:23 pm
More like:  If you have an idea of what you'd like to see, don't rely on some anonymous random stranger on the internet to do it for you.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Forteetu on July 06, 2007, 03:42:34 pm
More like:  If you have an idea of what you'd like to see, don't rely on some anonymous random stranger on the internet to do it for you.

well, not to be a smart ass or nothin' ... but

You have removed yourself from being "some anonymous stranger on the internet" by deciding to be part of a group of publishers of a document, the BIP. As a customer of your document, I have made a query with regards to the user-friendly features of your product. Rather than "some anonymous stranger" you are in fact, one of the most likely people to which a query like this should be made.

Just sayin'
 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on July 06, 2007, 03:47:35 pm
of course it is free.

get what you pay for, etc., etc., 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 06, 2007, 03:52:11 pm
More like:  If you have an idea of what you'd like to see, don't rely on some anonymous random stranger on the internet to do it for you.

well, not to be a smart ass or nothin' ... but

You have removed yourself from being "some anonymous stranger on the internet" by deciding to be part of a group of publishers of a document, the BIP. As a customer of your document, I have made a query with regards to the user-friendly features of your product. Rather than "some anonymous stranger" you are in fact, one of the most likely people to which a query like this should be made.

Just sayin'
 


Pick me out of a crowd.

Just sayin.


And hey, it's all kopyleft, not to mention Open Source.  Every person who reads it becomes a part of the project.

Lastly, if you're gonna wait for me to make a coherent PDF of the BIP pamphlet, you'd better make yourself comfortable.
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Post by: Forteetu on July 06, 2007, 03:59:01 pm

Pick me out of a crowd.

Just sayin.

Fair enough

Quote
And hey, it's all kopyleft, not to mention Open Source.  Every person who reads it becomes a part of the project.

Lastly, if you're gonna wait for me to make a coherent PDF of the BIP pamphlet, you'd better make yourself comfortable.

Yeh, yeh, I hear ya ....  so I'm guessing there's no 1-800 complaints department number either, eh?
Man I dunno about this. Even the Unitarians have got better customer service.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 06, 2007, 03:59:54 pm
PD.com:  YUO ARE YOUR OWN CUSTOMER SERVICE.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on July 06, 2007, 04:05:15 pm
Because I was bored and forced to deal with Acrobat all morning, I added to the pain and sorted the pages into 1-28 order, saved it, and need somewhere to host. I was a little speedy on the cropping of the pages so the margins are a bit off but everything's readable.

I'll be happy to PM the file to any interested parties or people willing/able to host the (320k PDF) file  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on July 06, 2007, 04:06:27 pm
Go to www.poee.co.uk
You can sign up for an account and upload it to their site. 
Or just ask Syn to do it, that is, if you aren't in a hurry.   :wink:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on July 06, 2007, 04:23:34 pm
I can't link to the file from where it is currently (IE work) - POEE seems like it needs an external link to add a document (at least via the "Add Document" link there), and since it's not currently hosted anywhere, I have nowhere to link the PDF FROM, which is a problem. If I'm going about this incorrectly then any helpful hints would be appreciated, but right now all I have is the PDF and nowhere to host it   :sad:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on July 06, 2007, 04:34:14 pm
You RULE, TOG

this totally makes up for being stuck in traffic for HOURS behind license plate 287-TOG last month


hate revoked!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on July 06, 2007, 04:41:58 pm
Oh you're right.  For some reason I though I was able to upload from the computer.  In that case you'll have to find a hosting site.  This is a good one, I've used it and LMNO has used it as well as others:  http://mihd.net/
You can upload it there and then submit that information to POEE, then you'll have it in a couple of places.  You could also just e-mail the file to admin@poee.co.uk and save yourself all that trouble.  He'll put it up for you. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Frenzied Destruction on July 06, 2007, 04:45:12 pm
currently reading ''shadows over bakersfield'' awesome h.p. lovecraft meets sherlock home short story collection. And i finished reading illuminatus(wtf) a week ago.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on July 06, 2007, 04:47:30 pm
currently reading ''shadows over bakersfield'' awesome h.p. lovecraft meets sherlock home short story collection. And i finished reading illuminatus(wtf) a week ago.

what did you think of Illuminatus?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on July 06, 2007, 04:54:31 pm
http://mihd.net/k7v4w8

There it is, and I just submitted the link to POEE | UK for their linkage. Enjoy!  8)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on July 06, 2007, 05:02:30 pm
:mittens:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Forteetu on July 06, 2007, 05:30:22 pm
http://mihd.net/k7v4w8

There it is, and I just submitted the link to POEE | UK for their linkage. Enjoy!  8)

 :news:
YOU ROCK! Thanks man.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 07, 2007, 12:54:27 pm
The Game - Neil Strauss

Pretty interesting, especially since I had heard of a few of the main personalities in there before now.

I will upload later, for those who want it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Slarti on July 07, 2007, 03:43:01 pm
that'd be nice, i read part of it but lost it due to my computer getting a bad case of the HIV, and i haven't been able to find it since.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Payne on July 07, 2007, 10:16:41 pm
The Game - Neil Strauss

Pretty interesting, especially since I had heard of a few of the main personalities in there before now.

I will upload later, for those who want it.

DO want. Seeing as I finished reading that scary alien thingy you recomended...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 08, 2007, 12:46:46 pm
Well, its going to have to be whenever I get my laptop returned by PC World.

Apparently they are shipping the parts from Shanghai.   :roll:  Either way, I can't see myself getting it back for at least another coupe of weeks.  If you can't wait that long, try the backpages of Bookchan, I think that was where I found it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Payne on July 08, 2007, 03:22:40 pm
Well, its going to have to be whenever I get my laptop returned by PC World.

Apparently they are shipping the parts from Shanghai.   :roll:  Either way, I can't see myself getting it back for at least another coupe of weeks.  If you can't wait that long, try the backpages of Bookchan, I think that was where I found it.

Righty! Thanks man.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on July 08, 2007, 05:03:21 pm
The Game - Neil Strauss

Pretty interesting, especially since I had heard of a few of the main personalities in there before now.

I will upload later, for those who want it.

read that one too. the dutch translation was HORRIBLE :)

it's a good read, i especially enjoyed the bit where they set up that house and it all blows up because everybody is trying to out-alphamale the others  :lulz:

i had heard of some of the names in the book as well .. only thing i do not understand is why he completely fails to mention maniac_high. all the big names are in there, but maniac isn't even in the acknowledgements. probably some kinda grudge thing perhaps.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 14, 2007, 01:10:19 pm
Yeah, that house towards the end...well, to be honest, it kind of reminded me of this forum at its worst.

I never heard of Maniac High however.  Mystery, Jefferies and DeAngelo, sure, but not him.  Could be a time thing, Style was only really playing for a couple of years, as far as I can see
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on July 14, 2007, 05:55:30 pm
Yeah, that house towards the end...well, to be honest, it kind of reminded me of this forum at its worst.

heh.

yep. guess we got quite a few too many "alpha males" not wanting to share their territory with eachother as well  :)

Quote
I never heard of Maniac High however.  Mystery, Jefferies and DeAngelo, sure, but not him.  Could be a time thing, Style was only really playing for a couple of years, as far as I can see

someone from tokyo, afaik. he wrote pickupguide.com, which was the first thing i saw of this whole "scene", years and years ago, which was indeed before Style appeared.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Slarti on July 15, 2007, 04:34:47 am
just started reading the tree of life by israel regardie. pretty interesting stuff so far.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 15, 2007, 11:02:29 am
http://mihd.net/jwvp2c

As promised.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on July 15, 2007, 10:48:50 pm
Lapham Rising by Roger Rosenblatt.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 16, 2007, 03:46:25 pm
Just finished Pratchett's "Small Gods".  Took about 2 days, max.


Damn, I like his writing style.  Will probably pick up another of his this week.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on July 16, 2007, 03:52:15 pm
They're a great, fast read - low-key but cerebral and entertaining. I have yet to read any of them and NOT enjoy it. The books ARE addictive, however, so just be aware that now that you've caught the bug it'll run you $7 a pop till you have them all  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 16, 2007, 04:02:39 pm
I know.  But luckily, I have a job that pays me to work for 4 hours, and spend 4 hours on the Intertrucks, and still have enough to buy Pratchett books to read during lunch.



...

...

...




I think I just figured out why I haven't quit my job and tried to become a full-time music producer.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on July 16, 2007, 09:00:35 pm
They're a great, fast read - low-key but cerebral and entertaining. I have yet to read any of them and NOT enjoy it. The books ARE addictive, however, so just be aware that now that you've caught the bug it'll run you $7 a pop till you have them all  :mrgreen:

True.  I read everything he had over the course of a high school semester.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 04:04:52 am
American Shaolin by Matthew Polly.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on July 25, 2007, 09:19:31 pm
American Shaolin by Matthew Polly.

Lemme know how that pans out. I"ve heard good stuff about it and I keep seeing it at the bookstore saying "For god's sake Mang' won't you just buy me already?'
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: B_M_W on July 25, 2007, 09:53:42 pm
Chaos Curse, last book of RA Salvatore's Cleric Quintet. Finally bummed it off Cain, after looking for years.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 25, 2007, 10:27:12 pm
The Management of Savagery, by Obvious Fake Arabic Name.

The things I do to keep the Carlyle Group off my back.....
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 25, 2007, 10:57:31 pm
this thread
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on August 14, 2007, 05:09:30 am
A brief History of the Future How visionary thinkers changed the world and tommorrow's trends are "made" and marketed by Oona Strathern

Im seriously hoping the rest of the book is as good as the first chapter was
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 14, 2007, 07:20:13 pm
LMNO-PI.

It's a slow day at work, so it's about time I got versed in this majestic classic of modern literature. 8)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on August 14, 2007, 07:43:34 pm
OSHI-
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 14, 2007, 08:09:06 pm
 - Katherine Kerr's new Deverry trilogy. Fantasy that isn't just a repeat of the old memes. ;-)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 14, 2007, 08:19:35 pm
LMNO, plz don't let your editors remove the sex scene.

I feel so denied. :cry:

I hope the next one isn't replaced with italics about unnecessary sex.

NO SEX IS UNNECESSARY. NEVAR.

Otherwise, I am riding high on roflcopters and speeding around on lollerskates. It is pretty great.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on August 14, 2007, 08:20:33 pm
DC, the sex scene will be included for a nominal, one-time fee.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 14, 2007, 08:48:58 pm
I will consider my payment to be waived in exchange for A) you ditching us for the Boston invasion last month and B) the fact that I didn't hunt you down on whitepages.com and plaster your house with propaganda while I was in your 'hood this weekend. :D

That seems quite fair, I do believe!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on August 14, 2007, 08:50:24 pm
Fine.


How strong is your stomach?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 14, 2007, 08:53:12 pm
Strong enough for you, little man! :lol:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on August 14, 2007, 08:54:44 pm
Heh.



It's in my archives at home.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 14, 2007, 08:56:17 pm
There's one scene you can leave out, though, cause I just don't need that. Eeee.

I only want the GOOD sex scenes. :p

-DC
Likes to live in a world where sex is only happy, dammit!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on August 14, 2007, 10:39:15 pm
Francis Fukuyama - After the NeoCons

You know as a kid, when you were caught red handed, doing something absolutely wrong which you cannot in any way dodge or deny?  So instead of passing off your actions as something else, you instead try to make it look like you were doing something because you thought it would help someone.  And do you remember how that little story in your head sounded fine to you, but whoever it was who caught you didn't buy it for a second?

Thats essentially this book, applied to US foreign policy.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Payne on August 14, 2007, 11:21:20 pm
Fine.


How strong is your stomach?

HATESECKS!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on August 15, 2007, 01:00:17 pm
Francis Fukuyama - After the NeoCons

You know as a kid, when you were caught red handed, doing something absolutely wrong which you cannot in any way dodge or deny?  So instead of passing off your actions as something else, you instead try to make it look like you were doing something because you thought it would help someone.  And do you remember how that little story in your head sounded fine to you, but whoever it was who caught you didn't buy it for a second?

Thats essentially this book, applied to US foreign policy.

Best book review EVAR.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on August 19, 2007, 06:34:59 pm
Fine.


How strong is your stomach?

poutine.

just sayin'
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on August 20, 2007, 03:24:23 pm
Fine.


How strong is your stomach?

poutine.

just sayin'

Don't knock poutine! I had some at the diner the other night while playing Scattergories. :D
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: the dreadful hours on August 20, 2007, 06:29:35 pm
a take out menu
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on August 20, 2007, 09:20:43 pm
Fine.


How strong is your stomach?

poutine.

just sayin'

Don't knock poutine! I had some at the diner the other night while playing Scattergories. :D

that's what i say. that's how strong your stomach is!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2007, 01:26:04 pm
Robert Graves, The Greek Myths.

I had a choice.  I could either buy this, or Cosmic Trigger by RAW.  Naturally, Greek epics won out.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cramulus on September 06, 2007, 01:35:38 pm
I ordered my copy of Black Swan like a week and a half ago and it still hasn't arrived. CURSE YOU AMAZON.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2007, 01:39:47 pm
They're bastards for that.  Took me 6 weeks to get Brave New War, for example.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Richter on September 06, 2007, 01:58:11 pm
Recently Diverted by Suu's printout of LMNO - PI

Back to oscillating from Black Swan to a book on Buddhism.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on September 06, 2007, 02:42:45 pm
I finished Pratchett's "Pyramids".


That was a good one.  Anyone who gets a kick out of Egypt, Berocracy, and space-time geometry should check it out.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: SuuCal on September 06, 2007, 08:59:31 pm
Outlining Renaissance Girl more than reading an actual novel. Been doing all sorts of gnarly researchness though.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on September 29, 2007, 12:49:12 am
The Belgariad by David Eddings.

A friend of mine keeps saying I'm like one of the characters in this, but refuses to elaborate.  So I am forced to read, if only to see if I owe him a pint or a slip of tabasco in his next meal.

I also have a new translation of The Iliad I want to look over.  So far, its ranking fairly highly, certainly better than most Greek to English dictionary jobs that are out there.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: DarkStar on September 29, 2007, 12:53:16 am
I great series Cain.  I hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on September 29, 2007, 01:43:18 am
Thankyou, I certainly am so far.  And welcome to the forum, btw.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: DarkStar on September 29, 2007, 02:05:14 am
I am very glad to be here. When you figure out which character you may be, please present it. 

eta.  Thank you for the welcome Cain.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on September 29, 2007, 02:59:14 am
Cool.  Feel free to introduce yourself in Apple Chat, we've got a thread up there specially for it.

I suspect my friend meant Silk.  I'm noting a certain similar type of humour....or my affinity for (when posting pictures of myself on the internet) being mostly in the shadows.  One reason or the other.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: DarkStar on September 29, 2007, 03:42:00 am
I will go visit Apple chat.

For whatever it's worth, Silk is probably my favorite character.  Certainly, the most resourceful, and a wonderful whit.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 29, 2007, 04:13:53 am
I am very glad to be here. When you figure out which character you may be, please present it. 

eta.  Thank you for the welcome Cain.

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/its-a-trap.jpg)

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: DarkStar on September 29, 2007, 02:30:26 pm
Again, thanks for the warning TGRR. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on October 03, 2007, 05:50:10 pm
Philip K. Dick, Man in the High Castle

I love this book. While so much of PKD's stuff is amazing, this one is far and away my favorite, although that's probably in large part due to my love of "what if" fiction.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mother John Frumm on October 04, 2007, 02:19:30 pm
Reading Cultures of Secrecy by Andrew Lattas and Dune: House Harkonnen, (reading the whole series)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on October 04, 2007, 03:44:10 pm
holy fuck that is a scary fucking avatar
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mother John Frumm on October 04, 2007, 10:23:39 pm
Ha Ha. From an old Italian movie, Lucio Fulci's Demonia. Nunsploitation all the way.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on October 04, 2007, 10:46:47 pm
it kinda ranks up there with the think davedim used to have

good job :)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mother John Frumm on October 04, 2007, 11:56:55 pm
thanks   I've been into the nunsploitation lately
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on October 05, 2007, 01:01:10 am
it can be a tough habit to break.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mother John Frumm on October 05, 2007, 01:23:54 am
oh the addiction of good(bad) movies
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: on October 06, 2007, 07:01:47 am
I'm working on a Poe costume for Halloween, so I've been getting into his poetry lately.
Although, I think I'm going to drop that in favor of reading August Derleth in preparation for NANOWRIMO.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: DarkStar on October 06, 2007, 03:14:17 pm
Have you read the entire series Dune?  That is a damn scary avatar.......
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mother John Frumm on October 06, 2007, 06:21:20 pm
I've read a few of them sporadically, however I just bought 9 of them at once so I'm re-reading all of them in chronological order, in the time line of the story. I'm done with 5 of them so far
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on October 30, 2007, 04:32:06 pm
I'm reading the second Wheel of Time book, The Great Hunt.  Apart from his occasional vice of stealing names from mythology (sa'angreal, Shai'tan), I'm really liking these books.  Jordan has a very descriptive style that appeals, even if it takes him several chapters to progress the plot any.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 30, 2007, 04:47:30 pm
I'm currently finishing re-reading The Prince of Nothing trilogy (The Darkness That Comes Before, The Warrior-Prophet, and The Thousandfold Thought) by R. Scott Bakker. I was totally wowed the first time I read it, and the second time around it's even better because I'm wise to the books' single flaw, which is a tendency to frequently "introduce" secondary characters for a few scenes, all with strange, nigh-unpronounceable names.

The historical parallels are pretty obvious to anyone well-acquainted with European history, but the real yuks come from the few details that don't fit into the historical mould.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 30, 2007, 05:55:07 pm
I'm reading the second Wheel of Time book, The Great Hunt.  Apart from his occasional vice of stealing names from mythology (sa'angreal, Shai'tan), I'm really liking these books.  Jordan has a very descriptive style that appeals, even if it takes him several chapters to progress the plot any.

They can get really slow at times, I'm afraid, but they are really great books. I am a very big addict/nerd about them. They are incredibly trite fantasy, and yes, often very slow moving, but he writes them so well that all of that is entirely forgivable, in my opinion.

I'm finally reading Good Omens (Pratchett/Gaiman). I've been getting through it in leaps and bounds on the trolley in and out of work, and it is HILARIOUS. I am so delighted with it! Unfortunately, I think I'll be finished tonight. :cry: I will miss the fun of giggling hysterically in a train full of grumpy commuters and/or BU kids at 8:30 AM.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on October 30, 2007, 06:21:11 pm
i just finished re-reading Gibson's Neuromancer, cause i finally got it back from a friend who had borrowed it, claimed the version he had was borrowed from a different friend, lost it in a move, got corrected by me and the other friend about the ownership of the book and was found back by me on his bookshelves, at eye-level.

and, just like last time, i can't make heads nor tails of what the fuck happens at the end.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Sepia on October 30, 2007, 08:12:34 pm
I'm reading the second Wheel of Time book, The Great Hunt.  Apart from his occasional vice of stealing names from mythology (sa'angreal, Shai'tan), I'm really liking these books.  Jordan has a very descriptive style that appeals, even if it takes him several chapters to progress the plot any.

WoT is kosher up untill about halfways in book 5. After that it's like reading a 6000 paged version of the silmarillion with parts of at the mountains of madness, like when hpl describes the drill that's going to be used which is a technological marvel because this gizmo drives this turbine and it was professor X at miskatonic that etc.

At the moment I'm up to my ears in schoolstuff so I'm reading DDK5, the fifth revision of Deweys rules for catalogues and classifications.

As an aside, I'm reading a chapter here and there of a short story collection by ray bradbury - the October Country and when taking the tram to school I marvel in cormac mccarthys The Road, which is thus far almost more depressing than Bjørneboe but incredibly easy to read due to the formatting.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mangrove on November 06, 2007, 06:52:16 pm
Currently, I'm jumping between:

Giordano Bruno & The Hermetic Tradition (sadly, not the name of a band) by Frances Yates and

History Of The End Of The World by Jonathan Kirsch - This is a history of the Book Of Revelation and its impact on Western culture. Essential reading if you want to understand the mindset of fundamentalists and how their ridiculous interpretations of 'The Apocalypse of John' is shaping the world. Well written, flows nicely and is occasionally quite funny given the subject mater.


Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on November 07, 2007, 01:17:25 pm
Currently: God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens

next: I Am America (And So Can You!) by Stephen Colbert
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on November 07, 2007, 01:29:12 pm
I wonder how drunk Hitchens was when he wrote that?  I'd love to see the first draft, with the typos and beer fuelled ranting intact.

As for me, I'm flipping between Robert Jordan's The Shadow Rising and Move Under Ground by Nick Mamatas.  Only just started the latter, but the cover says "the American dream turns out to be a Lovecraftian nightmare" and I was already sold.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: the dreadful hours on November 07, 2007, 06:58:35 pm
want ads
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on November 14, 2007, 10:26:26 am
Illicit: How smugglers, traffickers and copycats are hijacking the global economy, by Moses Naim.

This is THE book to read if you want an up to date and concise insight into the global black market economy, from drugs to guns to people to goods.  Naim describes how these networks, like everything else, are becomming more decentralized, more corporate in their outlook and their long term effects on society.  Also, for those of you who have perhaps other reasons to be interested in such books, he also names people still free and influential in the global black market too (such as Victor Bout, who sold over $50 million in arms to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, and whose company is now helping the US occupation of Iraq) and how all these intersect in a market so powerful it covers 10% of the entire global GDP.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Darth Cupcake on November 20, 2007, 06:22:11 pm
I really wanna pick up Colbert's book. It looks snazzy.

Currently, though, I am reading Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson. Loaned to me by my sister, who wanted me to read Cryptonomicon but could not find her copy, so I'm getting started on this first.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2007, 07:18:53 pm
Snow Crash is an easier read, TBH.


Zodiac is pretty good, too.

And The Diamond Age is very cool.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on November 20, 2007, 07:28:16 pm
Also Quicksilver, even if it does take forever to read.

I'm a seriously fast reader and pretty much know about many of the topics he touched on, at least in the first third of the book, and even then it took a good couple of months to do.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on November 20, 2007, 07:35:29 pm
Cain is right about the Baroque Cycle (Quicksilver, The Confusion, System of the World) - it's excellent and incredibly well written, but so dense that it just takes a long time to get through it all. Admittedly, it's a great journey of a series, but it just has so much going on that it takes time to get through it all. I still think it's his best writing to date, well worth the time if you have any interest at all in the Enlightenment phase of western europe.

Zodiac has a TON of local Boston flavor too now that you're living in the land of the bean. It's a pretty quick read and a lot of fun in addition to addressing practical environmental activism (and, yes, some eco-terrorism).
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on November 20, 2007, 07:37:08 pm
The baroque cycle bored the piss out of me.

Just one opinion.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on November 20, 2007, 07:38:57 pm
Depends where it was in the story.  The stuff on the ship was dull, I agree.

Also, I have both the Diamond Age and Snow Crash in e-book formats.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on November 20, 2007, 07:50:15 pm
Meh - I happen to really enjoy long, meandering historical fiction. The Baroque Cycle certainly wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, but I sure enjoy it. As always, YMMV  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2007, 10:08:45 pm
I just started reading Godel, Escher, Bach. It seems pretty interesting so far.
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Post by: Cain on November 22, 2007, 01:18:17 am
Also, I'm on the sixth Wheel of Time book and Just and Unjust Wars (4th ed) by Michael Walzer.

The second is a very good read.  Some of the old timers around here might know of Walzer from his anti-Vietnam days...but this book is pretty much the modern, moral arguement for and against war.  Its an easy read, but philosophically and historically complex in its subject matter, a mix I really like.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on November 26, 2007, 05:00:19 pm
I'm finally reading the Black Swan.


Everyone I know will be getting it for the holidays.
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Post by: rygD on December 02, 2007, 10:19:35 am
D-Cup,
I really like everything I have read by Stephenson so far.  I have yet to read some of his older stuff and nonfiction.  You may want to check out In the Beginning...was the Command Line.  It is a bit dated, but still interesting.  Also there is to be a miniseries made of Diamond Age.  I am hoping for the best with that (it seems it will have George Clooney involved as a producer).


el minnow,
It sounds like a decent read.  I will make sure to at least flip through it should I come across it anytime soon.  How does Taleb write?  There are many books I have never finished due to getting bored with the writing style of the author.
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Post by: Cain on December 03, 2007, 08:48:53 pm
I've read extracts from In The Beginning.... and intend to buy it sometime in the new year.  Looks very promising.

Also, reading Networks, Terrorism and Global Insurgency, edited by Robert J Bunker.  ECH, you should probably pick this up.  Its kind of a cross between the Global Guerrillas stuff and Robert Greene.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 03, 2007, 09:04:40 pm
I'm about halfway through The Golden Compass, and it really is good.
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Post by: Epistemologicus Boobicon on December 04, 2007, 07:40:01 pm
I'm reading How To Fart On Your Nuts (And Other Practical Time-Savers) by Lars Jugnuts. I highly recommend it.
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Post by: Mother John Frumm on December 06, 2007, 01:46:52 am
I just ordered "Black Swan", I'm looking forward to reading it.
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Post by: SuuCal on December 10, 2007, 03:23:13 pm
D-Cup and I saw it at the bookstore in South Station Saturday.


Then we both agreed that catching up on our Star Wars books was more important.

Now Reading: Star Wars - Legacy of the Force: Betrayal

Hellooooo Jacen Solo becoming Sith Lord ftw. Now that I'm 6 books behind, I guess I should probably start reading them.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 15, 2007, 02:49:22 pm
I'm reading the first Left Behind book.  I'm on page 5 right now. 

I have to say, this start is quite unusual.  The portayal of the wife, that is.  Its almost like a Bin Laden communique decrying all those terribly sensitive and touchy Islamic types.  You don't quite like it, yet you feel compelled to agree with it, which makes you expect a trick is coming.

That trick (which is probably only the Rapture anyway) remains to happen, however.
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Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2007, 02:56:54 pm
I've been meaning to read those.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 17, 2007, 03:10:07 pm
Several free downloads on Bookchan, if you don't want to contribue money towards the Overthrow the Constitution and Replace the Presidency with a Protestant Papacy Fund.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2007, 03:17:18 pm
Mmmm, good point.
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Post by: rygD on December 17, 2007, 04:26:17 pm
I have yet to read the books (doubt I ever will),  but I have seen the first 2 films.  Anyone know how they compare to the books?
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Post by: Subtract Eight! on December 21, 2007, 11:37:55 am
i went t the bookstore

i want an ayn rand bok im curioous about it ill prolly get the fountainead because its shorter than atlas shrugged and that other one thats somewhat of an autobiography of a WOMAN dont want that

also i want shalimar the clown by salmon rushdie i looked at a bit of it and i really wanted t get engrosssed in his writing, the satanic verses was for me an almost spiritual ascetic eperience to plow through

i want to read te golden compass again and see it in theaters, i want to read it not an audiobook as i could be into frm waffles, its was so magical, an unforgettable experience from my childhod, so majestic, impressing the novel elegant way of breaking existence with a spiritual overlord or something or the other :-]

also i want t read thomas pynchn ive heard good things
i wish t find some great sci fi also
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Post by: That One Guy on December 21, 2007, 03:57:50 pm
I'm on book 2 of the Chung Kuo series by David Wingrove. It's set in the 23rd century and its "what if" premise is that the chinese have taken over the entire earth and erected a 300-story structure over all non-farming lands. Earth's population is about 36 billion, and the (7-book) series is all about the introduction of the change and chaos of revolution in its many forms to the City, 100 years after its creation.

The first book takes a bit to get going, and Wingrove's writing style is a bit bland (his characters are a bit flat, but the world he created is pretty interesting), but it's a really fascinating story-line.
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Post by: Cain on December 21, 2007, 04:47:35 pm
Also, reading Networks, Terrorism and Global Insurgency, edited by Robert J Bunker.  ECH, you should probably pick this up.  Its kind of a cross between the Global Guerrillas stuff and Robert Greene.

Actually, I'd say its better than that.  This is THE book to own if you want a good grip on current thinking about networked warfare and the evolution of terrorism and organized crime.  Very pricey in the US though, especially the hardback version.  You'd be better off ordering it from the UK Amazon store and getting it shipped, unless Amazon US has more paperbacks in.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 27, 2007, 09:40:50 pm
For Xmas I got Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Taleb, Charlie Wilson's War, Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone, Cryptonomnicon and Black Mass by John Gray.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on December 27, 2007, 09:48:29 pm
For Xmas I got Fooled by Randomness by Nassim Taleb, Charlie Wilson's War, Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone, Cryptonomnicon and Black Mass by John Gray.

W00t Cryptonomicon!!!
... also the others, but I haven't read them.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 27, 2007, 10:22:01 pm
Imperial Life in the Emerald City is fairly righteous.  He explains the overlapping authorities, groups and political rivalries very well, and he has  wry, almost Catch-22 take on life in the Green Zone.  I have to say, I was amazed at how cut off they are there, both from Iraqi culture and reality.  Obviously, you hear stories, but when you hear about pork being served in the Republican Palace, and how the soldiers spend a lot of time either eating American food or else watching bad Hollywood movies, it is quite a jolt.

Funnily enough, the guy from Halliburton, Cole, who is the de facto commander of the Green Zone, comes out best so far.  The guy is only 22, for starters, and he's actually at least trying to keep everyone happy while at the same time dealing with the disconnect the troops have with the average Iraqi.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 01, 2008, 10:53:52 pm
I just started reading Inkheart, and the Illuminatus trilogy.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on January 02, 2008, 12:52:21 am
Read about 120 pages into Gravity's Rainbow, finally got around to reading Fight Club, and now I'm debating whether to finish Gravity's Rainbow or get started on The Diamond Age.

Imperial Life in the Emerald City is fairly righteous.

Sounds cool. I'll have to check that out.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2008, 03:22:04 pm
The sheer shamelessness in giving anything of any importance to Republican supporters is incredible (I read a hundred or so more pages on the train back from London).  I mean, you expect it, to a degree, sure, but this is shocking.  They would ask people which party they belonged to, who they voted for, their views on economics, abortion and the death penalty.  The idea is to make sure everyone who isn't in the (overly Republican, if only in name) military is 100% behind "Bush's vision for Iraq."

I'm worried now.  If TeH sUrGe! "succeeds" (its not, contracting out security to local level tribes who hate the government is, but since when do facts matter?), then we could well see a generation of newly confirmed NeoCons, absolutely enured of the righteousness of their original mission.

I also finished Black Mass, which I will review later.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 02, 2008, 03:49:39 pm
As far as I understand it, the idea of the surge was to throw American bodies into the line of fire to give the Iraqi government time to... um... legislate, or something.


So, even if the troops now die with less frequency than they used to, the whole surge thing is a failure if the Iraqi government can't get their shit together.



Someone should do one of those "Epic Fail" jpegs on this.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2008, 03:58:51 pm
I heard that story as well.

It sounds better than "we armed a bunch of thugs who hate Al-Qaeda as much as we do, and then they turned around and cut the tongues out of nearly everyone helping them, then they delivered us the intel and we found them and ran them out of the country (sometimes drove them out, because its hard to run when you have no legs).  And for their debut act, they're going to to do it to al-Sadr's boys and anyone working with the scum Shi'ite government."

So it was a PR exericise, done with copious amounts of AQ blood, to cover up the fact that the civil war has only halted for a temporary and short lived alliance against AQ in Iraq.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on January 03, 2008, 06:53:20 pm
My dad has subscribed to Car & Driver for as long as I can remember, and read to me from it when I was a child (a good bed-time story: can the American take on the German? ...well, no, actually). After stealing his copies for years, he finally got me a subscription for xmas. Woo!

I got my first copy last night, read it from end to end. I am fairly convinced that we need to recruit the editor that responds to their letters section. Because I don't think that guy says one even remotely friendly thing to anyone in his answers, rarely even responding to their letters. Half the time, he'll respond to one letter just to use it as a springboard from which to leap into mocking another letter (that was already mocked, but why not do it again for fun?).

It was hilarious, yet done with clever, short answers. I want to study that man's ways.

Although tonight I will be rereading some of the 10Best cars a bit more thoroughly, as I was awfully drowsy last night.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on January 03, 2008, 07:46:02 pm
I will be reading the Principia again.  That is Syn's new hard-cover version of it, as soon as Amazon decides to ship it to me. 
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Post by: Cramulus on January 03, 2008, 07:50:32 pm
They took forever to ship it to me, too. Was worth the wait. Especially since a lot of your names are printed in the Thanks appendix.
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Post by: AFK on January 03, 2008, 07:51:55 pm
NOw that I think about it, I think Syn mentioned it was going to be a "print-on-demand" deal, that may be why I have to wait so long. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 03, 2008, 08:13:49 pm
They took forever to ship it to me, too. Was worth the wait. Especially since a lot of your names are printed in the Thanks appendix.

i was surprised to find that even i was in it, under the name of "R Orange" (which was the name i signed up with at poee.co.uk)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on January 03, 2008, 08:17:03 pm
I'm mostly interested in the extra materials, that and ditching my SJGames version.  I feel icky owning it. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 04, 2008, 01:39:47 am
Someone seems to have permanently borrowed my Loompanics yellow edition, and that makes me sad.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 04, 2008, 12:55:32 pm
i use my hardcover mostly as a surface to roll joints on.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: AFK on January 04, 2008, 01:34:05 pm
Plant Your Seeds.   :fnord:
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Post by: hunter s.durden on January 07, 2008, 03:48:14 pm
Gonzo by Jann S. Wenner and Corey Seymour

Why the Allies Won by Richard Overy

It was a good reading week.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 07, 2008, 03:51:46 pm
Overy is meant to be one of the best WWII historians.  We studied some extracts of his in History A level.
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Post by: AFK on January 07, 2008, 09:23:09 pm
I've been re-reading The Book of the SubGenius. 
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Post by: hunter s.durden on January 08, 2008, 01:32:11 pm
Overy is meant to be one of the best WWII historians.  We studied some extracts of his in History A level.

Despite his hilarious name, I was thoroughly impressed. Highly reccomended.

I'm going to be mining the library for his work.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 09, 2008, 03:40:20 am
Still reading Inkheart, except basically not really because I don't have time to read.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Richter on January 09, 2008, 02:00:21 pm
"Blood Germs and Steel", with occasional chapters from Salvatore's "Cleric Quintet" for pulp fun.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 09, 2008, 02:07:36 pm
Finished Black Swan.

Clearing my head with "Feet of Clay" (Discworld series)

Also reading "The 36 Strategies" at work, as part of Cain's reading assignments.
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Post by: Cain on January 09, 2008, 04:07:00 pm
:thanks:

Incidentally, I named that file wrong.  It should be named The 36 Strategems.  Small difference, but a strategem is a trick applied to try and keep a strategy working, and not a wider modus operandi.  Usually.
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Post by: Jasper on January 10, 2008, 03:51:31 am
My travel bag contains Algebra Demystified, Calculus Demystified, Dark Tower III, the Eisenhorn omnibus, Man And His Symbols, The World Is Flat, Chaos, and What Is Intelligence?

It is a big travel bag.

It also holds Transmetropolitan 0-5

PPS several notebooks and journals and sketchpads
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Post by: Triple Zero on January 10, 2008, 02:36:58 pm
i finished the black swan during my christmas holidays, my opinion is still that i like the book and agree with the ideas it brings, but that i think it's a real shame the author has been so careless with his examples and facts (i discovered many more errors, it's mostly annoying if you just happen to know something about it, maybe he did it on purpose to keep those damned statisticians away?)

i am currently reading snow crash for the second time.

i'm halfway through "the language instinct"

i have dawkins's "god delusion" borrowed from a friend, on my to-read stack. do you guys know if it's any good? cause i dont really care about either atheism or christianity :-P

and a french novel (translated to dutch) by Michel Houellebecq, "The Possibility of an Island", "a novel that alternates between three characters' narratives, Daniel 1 (a current day comedian) and Daniel 24 and 25, neo-human clones of the Daniel 1." [wikipedia] -- weird, so probably good :)
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Post by: Cain on January 10, 2008, 06:26:18 pm
The God Delusion is....alright.  Its not a very philosophically deep book however.  Its hardly a modern version of Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion, a much superior book by David Hume.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 10, 2008, 06:35:25 pm
in some discussion about religion (a guy that wasn't really sure if he quit being christian or not) this guy started quoting Hume and managed to bore the fuck out of me fairly quickly.

so, you say dawkins is worse? ;-)
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Post by: Cain on January 10, 2008, 06:38:43 pm
Hume was hilarious, in context.  You have to get to the parts where his dialogues start parodying Christian rationalist views about the Universe.  Dawkins may be smart, but he never accurately used Christian theology to make an analogy of a blind carrot maker.
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Post by: That One Guy on January 10, 2008, 08:18:19 pm
I just started reading "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman. Pretty interesting so far. It postulates what the earth would be like if humanity suddenly (whether via disease/rapture/whatever) disappeared but all of our infrastructure was still intact. How long would everything last? What would last the longest? What would go first?

I'm on the second chapter, where he's focusing on Manhattan (bridges would last a couple centuries, structures like Grand Central Station 5 or 600 years, most other housing maybe a few decades). Good stuff, and so far there hasn't been any real moralizing about things.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Deepthroat Chopra on January 11, 2008, 05:26:08 am
Just finishing off "Jonestown" by Chris Masters. It mightn't seem of much value to readers outside of Australia, being a bio on Australia's most powerful "shock jock". However, it does show how highly dysfunctional and unhappy bastards, such as Jones, can shape public policy through narcissism and exaggerating their own power.
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Post by: Diseris on January 27, 2008, 12:04:47 am
The Dance of Time by Michael Judge

A nice time-line of the origin of the standard calendar. A bit light on references, but I remember a lot of the stories from college and its nice to see them in print.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 27, 2008, 12:08:27 am
Fooled by Randomness - Nassim Nicholas Taleb

i forgot if this one came before or after the Black Swan, but he mentions black swans a lot, so i guess after.

i have a bit less trouble reading it than the Black Swan, this time he's mostly telling stories and actually partially acknowledging he's not gonna be scientific about it (but just skeptical empirical or something).
also i have the idea that he will come with a bit more practical info than just broadly outlining the problem, but i have only just begun reading the book.
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Post by: Cain on January 27, 2008, 03:59:53 pm
I believe it came before.  He's used the term Black Swan alot, but the actual book came only very recently.  I've barely thumbed through my copy, but apparently the original version was printed in 2004.  Original Black Swan was 2006.
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Post by: Triple Zero on January 27, 2008, 06:52:01 pm
*looks inside*

yep you're right.

i temporarily swapped it with a friend after i told him about the Black Swan. something tells me i should probably plunder more of his bookshelves ... :)

i'll withhold judgement until i finish the book but it kinda puzzles me why Taleb would write two books about pretty much the same subject matter. cause so far (pg 38/262) i've read nothing that i didnt also get out of the Black Swan.
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Post by: Cain on January 27, 2008, 06:55:57 pm
From what I can tell, this is for people in the market, you know, your stock exchange traders etc and the latter was meant to be more philosophical, explaining the underpinning of the theory.

Also, I'm just about finishing Life in the Emerald City: Inside Baghdad's Green Zone by Rajiv Chandrasekaran, so I'll make a start on The Closing of the American Mind by Alan Bloom.  Time to get my NeoCon on.
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Post by: Diseris on January 28, 2008, 01:43:11 am
Just picked up Colbert, off to read it, have a nice night.
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Post by: hunter s.durden on January 28, 2008, 02:33:59 am
Good luck putting that book down.
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Post by: Cramulus on January 28, 2008, 05:00:39 am
i'll withhold judgement until i finish the book but it kinda puzzles me why Taleb would write two books about pretty much the same subject matter. cause so far (pg 38/262) i've read nothing that i didnt also get out of the Black Swan.

well according to Taleb
the best way to get your idea out / get paaaaid
isn't to write one really awesome book. Instead, write a bunch of books about the same thing and hope one of them takes off.



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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2008, 10:53:58 am
lol, point.

I have Colbert's book (pdf'd), but I'm saving it for a special occasion.

Flitting between Bloom and an essay by Eris Davis in The Book of Lies (Disinfo guide, not the Crowley one, obviously) on HP Lovecraft and Cthulhu cults in an occult context.
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Post by: Triple Zero on January 28, 2008, 12:03:21 pm
i'll withhold judgement until i finish the book but it kinda puzzles me why Taleb would write two books about pretty much the same subject matter. cause so far (pg 38/262) i've read nothing that i didnt also get out of the Black Swan.

well according to Taleb
the best way to get your idea out / get paaaaid
isn't to write one really awesome book. Instead, write a bunch of books about the same thing and hope one of them takes off.

ah right, now that you say it, i seem to recall him literally admitting this in the one i'm reading now.

he HAS to be a discordian, really. even if he doesn't realize he fits the picture perfectly.

up to and including jaking/pranking people for the sheer lulz of it.
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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2008, 12:24:20 pm
Exactly.

Broke out my copy of NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio & Terrorism in Western Europe by Daniele Gasner, which is a fascinating read. 

If you don't know about Gladio and are European, shame on you.  Gladio was the code name for the stay-behind, secret anti-Communist forces in Italy, but is widely applied to the entire operation, which spanned over every NATO power.  Secret armies, usually made up of a mix of NeoFascists, intelligence officers, rogue Masonic lodges, organized crime and military personnel were prepared to form a critical core of resistance, in case of Soviet invasion or the election of Communist parties in Western Europe.

In the 70s and 80s, they changed tack and instead of acting as a shadow government, started to engage in the Strategy of Tension, essentially false flag bombings blamed on Communist terrorist groups to cause them to lose support.  Suspected attacks include the kidnap and murder of Italian PM Aldo Moro and the Bologna massacre.

It sounds crazy, but there is as much evidence for Gladio as there is for Iran-Contra.  Its been subject to various investigations by the Italian government, and high ranking individuals in many NATO countries have openly admitted it did once exist.  Whether it still does is a matter of debate, but the discovery of the parallel counter-terrorism unit in Italy in 2004, the Department of Anti-Terrorism Strategic Studies, suggest it has been reworked for the War on Terror.
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Post by: Diseris on January 28, 2008, 03:52:03 pm
Thanks for the inspiration Colbert...possible GASM to follow...
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Post by: LMNO on January 29, 2008, 04:21:57 pm
Alternating between Colbert, Pratchett's Wyrd Sisters, and Cain's PDF's regarding strategy.
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Post by: Jasper on February 02, 2008, 02:53:50 am
Has anyone here read "Down and out in the magic kingdom"?  It's supposed to be good.
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Post by: Mangrove on February 03, 2008, 03:12:57 am
The Devil's Doctor - (Paracelsus, Science & Magic in the Renaissance world) by Phillip Ball
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Post by: Cain on February 03, 2008, 05:18:44 pm
Leo Strauss - On Tyranny
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on February 04, 2008, 10:05:42 pm
"Comeback Cities: A blueprint for urban neighborhood revival" - Paul S. Grogan and Tony Proscio

Had to read a chapter of it for my city planning class and it's really interesting. Felt compelled to buy the whole book to check it out further.
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Post by: Cain on February 08, 2008, 04:41:50 pm
Naomi Klein - The Shock Doctrine

Reading this pretty much right after NATO's Secret Armies is rather...disturbing.  Klein provides the rationale behind Glasner's academic dissertation on the coups and terrorism carried out by Operation Gladio, and links it directly to the present.  Her understanding of torture's role in all of this is fascinating too, both as a metaphor and as political reality.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on February 08, 2008, 08:18:21 pm
naomi klein!!

you remember that madonna-worshipper i told you about? he's borrowed "no logo" from me years ago, and always forgets to give it back!!!

GRR
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on February 08, 2008, 08:55:31 pm
Kill him.  He'll never borrow things forever again, after that.

No Logo wasn't bad, I felt, but this is shaping up to be much better.  Plus its like 4 times the size of No Logo as well.  Its huge.  And yellow.  Bright yellow.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on February 08, 2008, 09:37:32 pm
Kill him.  He'll never borrow things forever again, after that.

 :lulz:

i never even finished No Logo

cause it just went ooonnn and onnnnn and onnnn

the first couple of chapters about the history of brands was interesting, though.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on February 11, 2008, 01:15:45 pm
I cant actually remember that much of it.

Also, reading John Mearsheimer's The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.  Its a course text, but I've been meaning to read it anyway.  Mearsheimer recently wrote a book with Stephen Walt about the "Israel Lobby" in the United States which got him a lot of flak, considering he went out his way to show that it was perfectly normal and acceptable for special interest groups to lobby the US on its foreign policy.  This, on the other hand, is his Grand Theory text, his iconoclastic attack on the optimists on Globalization, so it should be interesting.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on February 11, 2008, 04:42:19 pm
I got my eReader back, (YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY!!!!) and I'm reading Stephenson's 'Command Line' book.  It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kurt Christ on February 12, 2008, 10:27:00 pm
I'm reading Homage to Catalonia by Orwell.
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Post by: Eve on February 13, 2008, 04:36:58 pm
Petersburg by Andrei Bely
Next up: Мастер и Маргарита (The Master and Margarita) by Bulgakov

I sure do love me some Russian lit..
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Post by: LMNO on February 13, 2008, 04:46:08 pm
THE SEVENTH PROOF!
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Post by: Cain on February 14, 2008, 06:52:06 pm
Zodiac by Neal Stepehnson.
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Post by: Richter on February 14, 2008, 07:51:18 pm
Warren Ellis + Others - Transmetropolitan
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Post by: Jasper on February 15, 2008, 12:52:08 am
Warren Ellis + Others - Transmetropolitan

There are some really good lines from that one.  I occaisionally fail at trying to mimic the style of imprecations.
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Post by: Richter on February 15, 2008, 01:25:39 pm
Yeah, that kind of rolling psychological analysis is only really possible in print, failing in person unless you really know your mark. 
Alternating questioning of someone's genetic / moral / genital / intellectual capactiy interspersed with properly declined forms of "Fuck" is about as close as IRL can get.
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Post by: Jasper on February 16, 2008, 06:27:23 am
Example?
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Post by: Epimetheus on February 19, 2008, 05:15:29 pm
I'm reading The Stranger.

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Post by: LMNO on February 19, 2008, 05:20:57 pm
I decided to re-read Goedel Escher Bach, as it's been a few years, and I might pick up some new stuff with another go-around.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 19, 2008, 10:59:09 pm
"Extermination Zone" by Dr. Randall Phillips.
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 20, 2008, 02:16:49 pm
THEM: adventures with extremists

Jon Ronson
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Post by: Jasper on February 20, 2008, 05:44:09 pm
Dracula, by Bram Stoker
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Post by: Mangrove on February 21, 2008, 09:43:21 pm
Just finished: The White Brother by Michael Juste

Arrived in the mail this afternoon: What you should know about the Golden Dawn (Regardie) and Rudolf Steiner by Gary Lachman.
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Post by: Jasper on February 22, 2008, 02:51:42 am
I just checked out a copy of Java Demystified, so I at least feel like I have a grasp of what java programmers are talking about.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on February 22, 2008, 04:06:03 am
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

Any help in identifying and describing bollocks in this book would be greatly appreciated. My friend who practically worships this book needs mindfucking.
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Post by: Doktor Loki on February 22, 2008, 07:53:29 pm
Tucker Max, "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell."

One of  the funniest books I've ever read.
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Post by: Triple Zero on February 24, 2008, 10:45:40 pm
I just checked out a copy of Java Demystified, so I at least feel like I have a grasp of what java programmers are talking about.

if i can give you a tip, i'm assuming that you're not really familiar with computer programming yet? the tip is, learn Python instead of Java :)

when you start learning to program, the most important bit is to develop and practice the "coders mindset", which is just a certain way of looking at problems, so that you can easily transcribe them into computer code. it is probably best compared with writing down a cooking recipe, only in much, much smaller steps because computers are generally more dumb than cooks.

once you got that down, the language you're writing in kind of becomes irrelevant. it's easy enough to pick up a new computer language, they're more like dialects of eachother anyway, and also when compared to natural languages, have a ridiculously small vocabulary to learn (about 50-100 keywords for your average computer language).
the selection criterium for using Java instead of Python or PHP or whatever, should optimally be made as a "right tool for the right job" choice, not because "everybody is talking about java".

the reason why i'm suggesting Python is because it is easy to learn and extremely powerful. i learned to program in BASIC myself, which is also very easy, but not extremely powerful, and to be honest, kind of outdated in current times.
another thing is that it's a reasonably new programming language (1991), and in the case of programming languages, newer usually means better, because it allows for more elegant, easy, understandable and clean programming.

on the other hand, Java is fine too. it's not very hard, and also extremely powerful, and a good general all-purpose solid language (which explains its popularity). the only problem, which can be especially annoying if you're just starting out, in Python your program can say print "hello world" and that's one line, and it's a complete program. you can start coding right away :) in Java, you first need a class definition, a main module, and 10-15 lines of code later, you're ready to say System.out.println("hello world").
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Post by: Jasper on March 03, 2008, 04:53:51 pm
Ok, I'm reading

Elixir of Life, by Balzac

The Public orations of Demosthenes

Grimm's Fairy Tales

The Prince, Macchiavelli

The Writings Of Thomas Paine

The oddessey

The Iliad

The Sun Tsu

Dracula, Bram Stoker

Tractacus Logico

and a lot of other ones.
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Post by: Cain on March 03, 2008, 05:19:36 pm
Reading Trickster Makes This World for the MLA course.

Still reading The Tragedy Of Great Power Politics by Mearsheimer.

Am about to finish Dying to Kill by Mia Bloom.

And I'll be starting Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army by Jeremy Scahill very soon.
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Post by: Jasper on March 03, 2008, 05:27:50 pm
I just checked out a copy of Java Demystified, so I at least feel like I have a grasp of what java programmers are talking about.

if i can give you a tip, i'm assuming that you're not really familiar with computer programming yet? the tip is, learn Python instead of Java :)

when you start learning to program, the most important bit is to develop and practice the "coders mindset", which is just a certain way of looking at problems, so that you can easily transcribe them into computer code. it is probably best compared with writing down a cooking recipe, only in much, much smaller steps because computers are generally more dumb than cooks.

once you got that down, the language you're writing in kind of becomes irrelevant. it's easy enough to pick up a new computer language, they're more like dialects of eachother anyway, and also when compared to natural languages, have a ridiculously small vocabulary to learn (about 50-100 keywords for your average computer language).
the selection criterium for using Java instead of Python or PHP or whatever, should optimally be made as a "right tool for the right job" choice, not because "everybody is talking about java".

the reason why i'm suggesting Python is because it is easy to learn and extremely powerful. i learned to program in BASIC myself, which is also very easy, but not extremely powerful, and to be honest, kind of outdated in current times.
another thing is that it's a reasonably new programming language (1991), and in the case of programming languages, newer usually means better, because it allows for more elegant, easy, understandable and clean programming.

on the other hand, Java is fine too. it's not very hard, and also extremely powerful, and a good general all-purpose solid language (which explains its popularity). the only problem, which can be especially annoying if you're just starting out, in Python your program can say print "hello world" and that's one line, and it's a complete program. you can start coding right away :) in Java, you first need a class definition, a main module, and 10-15 lines of code later, you're ready to say System.out.println("hello world").

Cool, I'll look into Python.  I do plan to learn many languages though, I'm really just waiting on getting my own computer to do it with since right now it's tug-o-war for a shitty laptop.
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 03, 2008, 05:54:28 pm
Trickster Makes the World
Pranks 2
On Virtue Ethics
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Post by: Reeducation on March 05, 2008, 08:51:49 am
Satan Speaks! By Anton LaVey.
Fun to read.  :)
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 05, 2008, 06:17:40 pm
Oh, I want to get that! I am working on too many books right now.
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Post by: GlompChomp on March 05, 2008, 10:54:19 pm
Culture Warrior by Bill O'reilly. For the lulz of course. He should have called the book "1,000 reasons why the ACLU suck".
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Post by: Reeducation on March 07, 2008, 10:51:56 am
Just finished the Satan Speaks! Next one: Devils Notebook by Anton LaVey.
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Post by: aestetix on March 07, 2008, 02:54:26 pm
War and Peace.

One of the longest and most meticulously developed books I've ever encountered. However, digging into Tolstoy's philosophy on life makes it completely worth it. I'm about halfway through right now, hoping to have it finished in a month or two.
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Post by: Faust on March 12, 2008, 07:23:32 pm
Finished Isabel allenade's The House Of Spirits last night, the writing style is simple enough, possibly because its translated or something, but the story is well crafted.
I have cosmic trigger lined up next and maybe then i will go back and give american gods another chance.
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Post by: Jasper on March 12, 2008, 10:17:56 pm
War and Peace.

One of the longest and most meticulously developed books I've ever encountered. However, digging into Tolstoy's philosophy on life makes it completely worth it. I'm about halfway through right now, hoping to have it finished in a month or two.

I never could get past page 100 or so.  How do you stay interested?
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Post by: aestetix on March 13, 2008, 04:01:03 am
War and Peace.

One of the longest and most meticulously developed books I've ever encountered. However, digging into Tolstoy's philosophy on life makes it completely worth it. I'm about halfway through right now, hoping to have it finished in a month or two.

I never could get past page 100 or so.  How do you stay interested?

The first 200 pages or so is all character development, so it can be boring at times. Once you get through that, things start picking up. I'm currently at ~750 and can't put it down.
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Post by: Cain on March 13, 2008, 04:07:07 pm
George Crile - Charlie Wilson's War

Most recent version, with additional material.
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Post by: AFK on March 25, 2008, 07:24:06 pm
My annual re-reading of The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury.  I think Arthur C Clarke's passing got my head into space stuff again and decided to start it early this year. 
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 25, 2008, 08:13:01 pm
i'm about 2/3rd into the Language Instinct now

i can recommend this book to anyone.
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Post by: Cain on March 25, 2008, 08:24:32 pm
Pinker's The Blank Slate is a fascinating read as well.

Only got to read it through once, sadly.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on March 31, 2008, 08:48:14 am
Dogma Daze --hyatt and slaughter
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Post by: Reeducation on March 31, 2008, 09:15:36 am
Beyond good and evil, by that Niiitzschehzezeze. Nietsche? Niezsche?
And i'm reading a book about human anatomy, and stuff, from the year 1951. (It has good pictures.)
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 31, 2008, 09:18:12 am
Beyond good and evil, by that Niiitzschehzezeze. Nietsche? Niezsche?

"Nietchszhquzecoatlphrnf"
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 31, 2008, 11:28:41 am
I write it Nietzschke, to differentiate from the false Nietzsche.
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Post by: Cain on March 31, 2008, 01:46:31 pm
If you like Beyond Good and Evil, I highly recommend The Geneaology of Morals.

I'm reading The Art of Memetics, and The Closing of the American Mind.  The latter is going to be useful camoflage, I'm thinking.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on April 01, 2008, 10:34:22 pm
Currently reading Gravity's Rainbow. Love it so far.
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Post by: Payne on April 01, 2008, 10:49:15 pm
Wryd Sister: Terry Pratchett

For light relief from that;

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire: Edward Gibbon
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Post by: Eve on April 02, 2008, 04:00:34 am
The Master and Margarita. Finally got around to buying Good Omens, so will probably start that soon too.
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Post by: Reeducation on April 02, 2008, 12:53:19 pm
Still reading Beyond Good and Evil. In english language.
Many difficult words here, i dont even know what they mean. :) This may take some time.
Same thing as with the Thus Spoke Zarathustra!
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Post by: LMNO on April 02, 2008, 05:02:43 pm
The Master and Margarita. Finally got around to buying Good Omens, so will probably start that soon too.

Awesome fucking book.
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Post by: Churro the Viscous on April 06, 2008, 08:01:29 pm
As I Lay Dying - Faulkner
The Eye In The Pyramid - RAW
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Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 03:34:14 am
I recently finished reading "As I Lay Dying", it was great fun.

Disorder:

  Nietzsche liked to coin a lot of words that aren't real, so those in there will also throw you off in addition to the normal cons of reading old stuff: outdated syntax and weird words that aren't around any more.

My favourite Nietzsche word is "ipsissimosity" which essentially means "Self-referential"  That one is actually in "Good and Evil" too.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 07, 2008, 04:12:59 am
The Master and Margarita. Finally got around to buying Good Omens, so will probably start that soon too.

Awesome fucking book.

I just bought it, I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by: Cain on April 07, 2008, 06:01:10 pm
Still reading The Art of Memetics.  Just started on an odd little download I was directed to by a friend.  Its called Unholy Spirits - Occultism and New Age Humanism, and is a look at the role of the occult in the American counterculture.  Its written by a Christian, and he makes no attempt to hide his background, but it is, so far (20 pages in) sober and reserved in its observations.  The writer seems intelligent enough, I suspect he will either reserve judgement for later, or make it implicit only.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 07, 2008, 09:10:52 pm
I read a bit more of Illuminatus! Last night. I am enjoying it on some levels, but man, what is up with the obsession almost all "progressive" male writers of that era have with sex as some sort of gateway to enlightenment?

Is it that they were doing it wrong before, and when they suddenly realized that sex can be a meaningful connection between two people they were all "Holy shit I'd better tell everyone!"

Also, the descriptions of female orgasm are pure retarded fantasy.
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Post by: e on April 07, 2008, 09:12:34 pm
what is up with the obsession almost all "progressive" male writers of that era have with sex as some sort of gateway to enlightenment?
......
Also, the descriptions of female orgasm are pure retarded fantasy.

I think that pretty much sums it up.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 08, 2008, 03:47:18 am
Is it that they were doing it wrong before, and when they suddenly realized that sex can be a meaningful connection between two people they were all "Holy shit I'd better tell everyone!"

That motorcycle... it's the correct one, I think.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on April 08, 2008, 06:15:30 am
I read a bit more of Illuminatus! Last night. I am enjoying it on some levels, but man, what is up with the obsession almost all "progressive" male writers of that era have with sex as some sort of gateway to enlightenment?

Because sex is fun. If you can get it by selling it as "a gateway to enlightenment", men will do so.
Or maybe it's just a part of getting caught up in the backlash towards puritanical ideas about sex. Probably both.
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Post by: Cain on April 08, 2008, 10:34:04 am
OTO/Crowley/Summer of Love/Yoga/Tantra etc 
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Post by: Cain on April 08, 2008, 10:35:50 am
Still reading The Art of Memetics.  Just started on an odd little download I was directed to by a friend.  Its called Unholy Spirits - Occultism and New Age Humanism, and is a look at the role of the occult in the American counterculture.  Its written by a Christian, and he makes no attempt to hide his background, but it is, so far (20 pages in) sober and reserved in its observations.  The writer seems intelligent enough, I suspect he will either reserve judgement for later, or make it implicit only.

OK, this changed very fast.  He's way more explicit now in what he thinks, but he is still being intelligent about it.  Disconcertingly so, he seems to be very well read and at least competent in dealing with some high level philosophical thinking.  I'm going to copy certain fragments out later today, because I think they draw some interesting divides between Christian and Discordian ideas.
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Post by: LMNO on April 08, 2008, 03:36:10 pm


Is it that they were doing it wrong before, and when they suddenly realized that sex can be a meaningful connection between two people they were all "Holy shit I'd better tell everyone!"



Yeah, pretty much.

If you take into consideration that the prevailing attitudes regarding sex at the time were "good girls don't" and "just let him do his business", add to the fact that they were still arguing about whether or not the clitoral orgasm existed, and tie it all up in a bow with men not giving a damn about the women's physical need... well, a 30-minute fuck session with plenty of oral and simultaneous orgasm was revolutionary.


We kind of take it for granted these days.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 08, 2008, 08:44:23 pm


Is it that they were doing it wrong before, and when they suddenly realized that sex can be a meaningful connection between two people they were all "Holy shit I'd better tell everyone!"



Yeah, pretty much.

If you take into consideration that the prevailing attitudes regarding sex at the time were "good girls don't" and "just let him do his business", add to the fact that they were still arguing about whether or not the clitoral orgasm existed, and tie it all up in a bow with men not giving a damn about the women's physical need... well, a 30-minute fuck session with plenty of oral and simultaneous orgasm was revolutionary.


We kind of take it for granted these days.

Yeah but... Kinsey! I mean, really.
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Post by: LMNO on April 08, 2008, 08:47:46 pm
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Average length of time between penetration and orgasm for a man: 7.3 minutes

Kinsey, yes.
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Post by: e on April 08, 2008, 09:35:45 pm
Honestly I'm surprised it's that long.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 08, 2008, 10:24:04 pm
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Average length of time between penetration and orgasm for a man: 7.3 minutes

Kinsey, yes.

That sounds about right. I don't really go for extended periods of in-out; it gets boring, and chafey. However, there's usually a lot more going on before the in-out.

Kinsey was an advocate of good sex; that's why he started studying human sexuality.
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Post by: Cain on April 12, 2008, 02:16:19 pm
God's War - A New History of the Crusades by Christopher Tyerman.

Needs moar Is'maili's.  Other than that, good so far.
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Post by: Anch on April 12, 2008, 04:29:09 pm
Casanova's memoirs
Fyodor Dostoevsky "The Brothers Karamazov"
Duerrenmatt's "The Pledge: Requiem for the Detective Novel" and "Suspicion"
Sartre's "Le Mots"

Yay for book jumble sales!
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Post by: Cain on April 22, 2008, 08:56:23 pm
Casanova's memoirs are the shit.  One of my favourite pieces of reading, ever.

I'm reading Reich of the Black Sun, a book that tries to make the case that Nazi Germany was ahead of the Allies in nuclear technology, actually made nukes in 1945 and tested them, but had no delivery system to drop them on London or New York.  It would certainly explain some irrational behaviour on troop placements as the Allies advanced on Germany (excessive protection given to Thuringia and the area around Prague), as well as Hilter's raving about a super-weapon, but....on the other hand, I don't know.  Its a very extraordinary claim, and the science seems a little shakey in places.
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Post by: BootyBay on April 22, 2008, 11:50:50 pm
10 Days That Shook the World by John Reed
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Post by: Triple Zero on April 22, 2008, 11:53:45 pm
The Pirates! In an Adventure with Whaling, by Gideon Defoe
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Post by: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 08:12:57 am
I just finished the His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman.
I am currently (slowly) reading Ulysses by James Joyce and Gargantua and Pantagruel by François Rabelais.
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Post by: Cain on April 23, 2008, 08:14:30 am
I just finished the His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman.
I am currently (slowly) reading Ulysses by James Joyce and Gargantua and Pantagruel by François Rabelais.

I keep meaning to read the His Dark Materials trilogy.  Recommended?
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Post by: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 08:45:18 am
I highly recommend. The movie doesn't really do the book any justice, but they never do. It has a lot of stuff in it that you can take for more than just fiction. I'd like to tell you more, but I don't want to ruin it.
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Post by: Cain on April 23, 2008, 08:50:18 am
Cool, thanks.  I havent seen the film yet, but I may download it one day, once I've finished reading the series.  I find doing it other way around is usually a bad idea.
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Post by: ShoobyDB on April 23, 2008, 09:07:18 am
Agreed. I read the first two books and then saw the movie while reading the third. Although, if you watch the movie first, then the story line gets better when you read the book instead of the movie just being dissapointing.
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Post by: Reeducation on April 23, 2008, 09:17:32 am
I'm reading the Kalevala. Again. Damn hard to read, even when it is written in finnish. These poems, poems... (Beyond Good and Evil is on pause)

"The Kalevala is a book and epic poem which the Finn Elias Lönnrot compiled from Finnish and Karelian folklore in the 19th century. It is held to be the national epic of Finland and is traditionally thought of as one of the most significant works of Finnish language literature. Karelians in the Republic of Karelia and other Balto-Finnic speakers also value the work. The Kalevala is credited with some of the inspiration for the national awakening that ultimately led to Finland's independence from Russia in 1917."  Wikipediaaa.....

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Post by: Cain on May 08, 2008, 01:51:59 pm
The Changing Images of Man - The Standford Research Institute
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Post by: Bu☆ns on May 08, 2008, 07:36:42 pm
Mahanirvana Tantra
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Post by: Cramulus on May 08, 2008, 10:40:54 pm
At Mangrove's advice,
I'm reading Chicken Qabalah
by Lon Milo Duquette



I'd tried to read up on Qabalah about a half dozen times prior to this. This is the first writer I've come across that's explained in a way which doesn't make me want to reach through the book and punch him in the vau.




ETA: right in the zain? right in the samekh? right in the ayin?

there's too many letters which might be a cock.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 09, 2008, 02:50:11 am
At Mangrove's advice,
I'm reading Chicken Qabalah
by Lon Milo Duquette



I'd tried to read up on Qabalah about a half dozen times prior to this. This is the first writer I've come across that's explained in a way which doesn't make me want to reach through the book and punch him in the vau.




ETA: right in the zain? right in the samekh? right in the ayin?

there's too many letters which might be a cock.

ITT, Cram learns the secret of all Hebrew symbolism.

Jews,
Making penis jokes for as long as people have been using them
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 09, 2008, 07:12:21 am
Just finished "The Art and Science of Cold Reading". Interesting read.  Not sure if I'm ready to do any psychic readings yet though.  Probably going to try reading "Cosmic Trigger" over the weekend since I'll be stuck at work with almost nothing to do on Friday and Saturday.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 09, 2008, 12:49:30 pm
"The Art and Science of Cold Reading"

now that sounds really interesting.

i always wanted to read up on that.
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Post by: fomenter on May 09, 2008, 04:26:25 pm
fight club, loved the movie thought i would give the book a try
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Post by: e on May 09, 2008, 05:35:06 pm
fight club, loved the movie thought i would give the book a try

The book was much more interesting.  The movie blew the "lol men fighting each other" thing out of all proportion compared to the book, which discussed it for about 10 pages and then moved on.  Also, the book's ending was about 2,000,000 times better.  Seriously.

Currently I'm reading and enjoying Aleister Horne's Seven Ages of Paris and Donald Keene's Yoshimasa and the Silver Pavilion
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Post by: fomenter on May 10, 2008, 12:12:29 am
 enjoyed the book fight club and the ending as well i would rate it a good read
  i may start buried my heart at wounded knee next
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Post by: Micro Ice on May 10, 2008, 12:17:55 am
Nothing fancy for me, just more sci fi.

Currently reading "Descent of Angels" by someoneorother. Cant remember his name because the great people making the Horus Heresy decided to have a different person write each novel in the thus far 8 book series. Although the change in authors seems to work really well.
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Post by: SuuCal on May 10, 2008, 12:48:12 am
I've finally caved and moved onto the 2nd book in the Star Wars: Legacy of the Force Series, Bloodlines...even though THE ENTIRE FUCKING SERIES HAS BEEN SPOILED FOR ME. AND THE AUTHOR, KAREN TRAVISS, IS A TOP CHOICE GRADE A DOUCHENOZZLE.

But it has Boba Fett. (http://www.empirecitygarrison.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif)
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Post by: Bu☆ns on May 11, 2008, 07:07:44 am
enjoyed the book fight club and the ending as well i would rate it a good read
  i may start buried my heart at wounded knee next

Chuck Palahniuk said the movie was better. although i have to disagree.
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Post by: vosti on May 12, 2008, 01:04:19 am
Consciousness Explained, by Daniel Dennett
Finite and Infinite Games, by James P. Carse

both great
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Post by: e on May 12, 2008, 08:03:50 pm
enjoyed the book fight club and the ending as well i would rate it a good read
  i may start buried my heart at wounded knee next

Chuck Palahniuk said the movie was better. although i have to disagree.

Really?  That's interesting.  I mean, I loved both, but the book was more interesting to me.  Maybe he just got to have sex with Brad Pitt as part of the movie deal.  And actually, I bet he's only saying that because the movie made him zillions of dollars and firmly established his fame, and he got paid a "We don't really want to publish this, but..." pittance for the book at first. 
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Post by: fomenter on May 13, 2008, 04:13:10 am
tough call for me - i thought they were both real good , most book / movies i will all ways pick the book but on this one i am giving it a draw  - a rare level of quality for this movie..
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Post by: Cain on May 13, 2008, 04:19:22 am
Consciousness Explained, by Daniel Dennett
Finite and Infinite Games, by James P. Carse

both great

Dennett's written some very interesting stuff on consciousness.  I may have that book somewhere, I should check it out.
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Post by: Dr. Pataphoros, SpD on May 13, 2008, 02:30:07 pm
House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski.  I highly recommend it--it is a spectacularly twisted read.
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Post by: Mangrove on May 13, 2008, 07:29:56 pm
At Mangrove's advice,
I'm reading Chicken Qabalah
by Lon Milo Duquette



I'd tried to read up on Qabalah about a half dozen times prior to this. This is the first writer I've come across that's explained in a way which doesn't make me want to reach through the book and punch him in the vau.




ETA: right in the zain? right in the samekh? right in the ayin?

there's too many letters which might be a cock.

Yes, you've found out. Most of the qabalah is a series of increasingly complex, esoteric dick jokes.
 Welcome aboard!  :fap:
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Post by: The Invisible Man on May 13, 2008, 08:39:14 pm
Just saw this now.

I LOVE THAT FUCKIN BOOK!



I think someone stole my copy.
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Post by: Cain on May 13, 2008, 10:35:43 pm
Cram and I have pdf's, if you want an electronic version.
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Post by: The Invisible Man on May 13, 2008, 10:40:44 pm
I may need that.  Thanks.


On a different note, I am currently reading "Mr. B. Gone" by Clive Barker:  and it fucking SUCKS.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 13, 2008, 10:43:21 pm
Catcher in the Rye

It kind of blows, but I'm sure I would have considered the best thing evar if I was around when it was a cult classic. It makes me sad to think of all the shitty writers who must have tried to imitate Salinger.
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Post by: e on May 13, 2008, 10:45:07 pm
I may need that.  Thanks.


On a different note, I am currently reading "Mr. B. Gone" by Clive Barker:  and it fucking SUCKS.

At least it's not Dan Brown.

Catcher in the Rye

It kind of blows, but I'm sure I would have considered the best thing evar if I was around when it was a cult classic. It makes me sad to think of all the shitty writers who must have tried to imitate Salinger.

At least it's not Dan Brown.

(this can be said about almost everything)
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Post by: Cain on May 13, 2008, 10:51:36 pm
But not about Angels and Demons, sadly.

Also, Hoopla http://mihd.net/ytsfj48 (8.35 MB)
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Post by: The Invisible Man on May 13, 2008, 10:52:19 pm
I read Catcher when I was about 18 and loved it... and yeah, my writing was pure Salinger for quite a few years.

I haven't read it in a while, but my memories are fond.
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Post by: Dido on May 13, 2008, 11:04:27 pm
I just tried reading Jane Eyre (dealing with matrices appears to have  afflicted my brain ) and I think I never appreciated how right John Dolan is about everything in general and great English writers in particular.
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Post by: The Invisible Man on May 13, 2008, 11:08:46 pm
Please elaborate for us ignant foo's.
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Post by: Dido on May 13, 2008, 11:27:40 pm
I am inclined to find find a love story that ends with the heroine  explaining that she loves her intended more now that he is crippled and blind because now she can be useful to him a little daunting. Actually it does not end there. It ends with her rapture that her missionary friend is about to die a violent death and finally meet his maker.
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Post by: Dido on May 13, 2008, 11:34:28 pm
Jane Eyre is dedicated to Thackerey, a writer whom Dolan loves to hate, which is why I decided spontaneously that he must be right. And yes, I know that I am not viewing the matter from the correct historical perspective.
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Post by: e on May 14, 2008, 12:10:18 am
Thackeray is fun because he's a total jerk. 

I mean come on, Becky Sharp!  Best character ever.  Except I think she reformed in the end, the bitch.

(Obviously I never read the entire 900 pages of Vanity Fair)
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Post by: Dido on May 14, 2008, 01:15:56 pm
I adored Becky, unfortunately Thackerey didn't. But I am not sure if he liked anybody at all or was just making some kind of point about society and the world at general. Oh, and Dolan loves bitching about Wordsworth. But as he loves bitching about anybody who is not Byron I could argue that I was not totally off the mark.

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Post by: Cain on May 14, 2008, 01:21:39 pm
Yeah, Dolan is a fan of the Byronic heroes and artists, to say the least.  For example, his article in the eXile on Eddie Little.
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Post by: Cain on May 14, 2008, 01:30:57 pm
Ah, here is his excellent biography on Byron: http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8068&IBLOCK_ID=35

"Polidori once asked Byron what, besides scribble verses, he could do better than Polidori himself. Byron icily replied: 'Three things. First, I can hit with a pistol the keyhole of that door. Secondly, I can swim across that river to yonder point. And thirdly, I can give you a damned good thrashing.'"

OK, somebody go find a black goat somewhere, sharpen me a steak knife, and buy us some spray paint for a pentagram, 'cause we're gonna resurrect us a champion who can kick the necessary ignorant Protestant ass and make it look easy.

And lucky for you, folks, I've pre-selected us a perfect demon: George Gordon, Lord Byron. He's dead at the moment, but that's a minor problem. Like his avatar, Prometheus, Byron can die and come back as often as you need him. Hell, he likes getting killed; he was a fighter. Single-handed, he took on the Wordsworth gang and kicked the sticks they had jammed up their asses right up through their teeth.

Byron's time was like ours, a scared time, a period of reaction and retreat. His England ran the world without knowing or wanting to know a thing about it, just like our America. Our climate is in fact the same nasty Wordsworthian weather Byron fought all his life: humorless, sanctimonious, xenophobic, factional, and cruel. He spent his life firing back at that world in a long fighting retreat that saw him always heading South and East, away from "the moral North" where the Wordsworthian consensus was metastasizing.

And that, of course, is why Byron was adored in Europe but snubbed in England and America. He was everything Wordsworth's gang was not. They were utterly humorless-a Romanticist once told me that "there are three jokes in Wordsworth, or so they say...but I can't recall them."
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Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2008, 03:37:16 pm
PS - thanks for the Duquette PDF, Cain.
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Post by: Cain on May 14, 2008, 11:37:06 pm
Not a problem.
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Post by: e on May 14, 2008, 11:41:00 pm
I adored Becky, unfortunately Thackerey didn't. But I am not sure if he liked anybody at all or was just making some kind of point about society and the world at general. Oh, and Dolan loves bitching about Wordsworth. But as he loves bitching about anybody who is not Byron I could argue that I was not totally off the mark.

Probably that.
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Post by: e on May 14, 2008, 11:43:04 pm
Ah, here is his excellent biography on Byron: http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=8068&IBLOCK_ID=35

"Polidori once asked Byron what, besides scribble verses, he could do better than Polidori himself. Byron icily replied: 'Three things. First, I can hit with a pistol the keyhole of that door. Secondly, I can swim across that river to yonder point. And thirdly, I can give you a damned good thrashing.'"

OK, somebody go find a black goat somewhere, sharpen me a steak knife, and buy us some spray paint for a pentagram, 'cause we're gonna resurrect us a champion who can kick the necessary ignorant Protestant ass and make it look easy.

And lucky for you, folks, I've pre-selected us a perfect demon: George Gordon, Lord Byron. He's dead at the moment, but that's a minor problem. Like his avatar, Prometheus, Byron can die and come back as often as you need him. Hell, he likes getting killed; he was a fighter. Single-handed, he took on the Wordsworth gang and kicked the sticks they had jammed up their asses right up through their teeth.

Byron's time was like ours, a scared time, a period of reaction and retreat. His England ran the world without knowing or wanting to know a thing about it, just like our America. Our climate is in fact the same nasty Wordsworthian weather Byron fought all his life: humorless, sanctimonious, xenophobic, factional, and cruel. He spent his life firing back at that world in a long fighting retreat that saw him always heading South and East, away from "the moral North" where the Wordsworthian consensus was metastasizing.

And that, of course, is why Byron was adored in Europe but snubbed in England and America. He was everything Wordsworth's gang was not. They were utterly humorless-a Romanticist once told me that "there are three jokes in Wordsworth, or so they say...but I can't recall them."

Don't forget that he was also (reputedly) into incest!
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Post by: Dido on May 15, 2008, 07:57:19 am
Quote
The Victorian sensibility repaid the compliment by smearing Byron as well as Karl Rove himself could have done it. If you know only one thing about Byron, it's probably that quote about him: "mad, bad, and dangerous to know"-or the story that he had an affair with his sister.
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Post by: Cain on May 15, 2008, 01:39:39 pm
John Perkins - Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man
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Post by: The Invisible Man on May 15, 2008, 01:49:56 pm
I finished Clive Barker's "Mr. B. Gone"... what a piece of crap.
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Post by: Jasper on May 15, 2008, 06:55:00 pm
I should be reading my SAT training book and math textbook.

Instead I read forums.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on May 21, 2008, 04:19:20 pm
I recently finished "Springer's Progress" by David Markson and loved it like crazy. It is full of bizarre and sex. A good combination.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 21, 2008, 04:32:40 pm
I have just now got down to reading Schrodinger's cat.
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Post by: Dido on May 21, 2008, 06:32:40 pm
Warrior Queens by Antonia Frazer

Awfull
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Post by: Micro Ice on May 22, 2008, 01:02:39 am
Due to fausts insistence im about halfway through The Illuminatus Trilogy.

My head now hurts. 
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 22, 2008, 02:46:25 am
Due to fausts insistence im about halfway through The Illuminatus Trilogy.

My head now hurts. 

It won't go away. Ever.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 22, 2008, 01:31:07 pm
I have been touting the benefits of the Illuminatus Trilogy for years! Taken with large doses of T.H.C. and properly meditated upon, it shall bring you one step closer to illumination! (Also the T.H.C. should knock out the head ache, but only if used responsibly.)

I am reading Ultraculture Journal one in PDF and now I too have a head ache! Man, I cant wait for reasonable digital paper.
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Post by: Cain on May 22, 2008, 03:32:27 pm
I suggest Kindle or whatever its called.

Reading Researching Terrorism: Trends, Achievements and Failures by Andrew Silke.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 22, 2008, 03:53:17 pm
Good lord! Where did you get that? (I want one!)
Terrorism: Trends, Achievements and Failures, I mean. I don’t have the cash to order it, any torrents?
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Post by: Cain on May 22, 2008, 03:59:05 pm
Uh no, afraid not.  It was for my course.  Put me back $50 too.  I have Bruce Hoffman's Understanding Terrorism in pdf though, if you're interested.  Its not so researched orientated, but still fairly good.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 22, 2008, 04:06:30 pm
I would be most interested! The Amazon list price for Research into Terrorism: Trends, Achievements and Failures has risen sharply! It’s going used for $162. (I’ll have to wait till rush dies down they’ll knock the price down a bit then) 
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Post by: Cain on May 22, 2008, 04:33:02 pm
Really? Damn.  I bought mine a year ago, I wouldn't expect that fast a price-rise, especially for a text book.  Maybe its a UK/USA thing?

http://mihd.net/dfgqz6p

Its 12.6 MB in total, I left a few other papers I had in the folder in there as well, in case you wanted anything else on terrorism too.
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Post by: fomenter on May 22, 2008, 10:47:23 pm
just finished the valis trilogy
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Post by: Cain on May 23, 2008, 11:48:18 am
Switching between Terrorism vs Democracy: The Liberal State Response by the mac-daddy of terrorism research, Paul Wilkinson, and The Golden Compass by Phillip Pullman.

Because if I cant get through this exam by methodical application of knowledge, I'll get through it by appealing to the Atheist Conspiracy that apparently runs our liberal institutions and media.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 23, 2008, 11:59:13 am
The Golden Compass was not all as Atheist as it’s cracked up to be. (Sadly, I went out and bought all three of those books when I heard there was controversy over them) Not nearly as Atheist, or as unsettling as Harry Potter.
 :fnord: And I don’t know how it’s done over there, but here in Amerika our liberal institutions and media are run by Nabisco. That Conspiracy is too frightening to delve into here though.   :fnord:
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Post by: Cain on May 23, 2008, 12:04:35 pm
I'm picking up hints and there, but I'm not expecting it to be obvious until at least the end of the first book.  To be honest, its probably preferable that way.  In your face atheism a la Richard Dawkins, for 3 novels, wouldn't be very much fun.
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Post by: LMNO on May 23, 2008, 04:06:02 pm
It's not Atheist, it's Anti-Church.

There's a subtle difference.
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Post by: Cain on May 23, 2008, 04:12:23 pm
NO THERE'S NOT.  SECULARISTS HATE OUR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, THE VATICAN AND MELANIE PHILLIPS SAY SO.
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Post by: LMNO on May 23, 2008, 04:32:26 pm
Ah.  Right.


Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking...







 :lol:
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Post by: Cain on May 23, 2008, 04:34:26 pm
Ah.  Right.


Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking...







 :lol:

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2007/11/29/no-one-expects-the-secular-inquisition/

Quote
he full force of the secular inquisition will not hesitate in pronouncing its anathema upon him [Blair] for committing this heresy of religious belief.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 23, 2008, 05:21:14 pm
i finished the art of memetics, and i figured out how to read PDFs comfortable on my Vario phone (without pictures, but meh), so i'm slowly digesting the load of PDFs i have on my computer.

currently going through Liber Null. just started, i have no idea what to expect, any good bits i need to be on the lookout for?
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Post by: Jasper on May 23, 2008, 10:51:45 pm
Just picked up a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach by Hofstader.  It's pretty brilliant so far.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 24, 2008, 03:02:52 pm
Just picked up a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach by Hofstader.  It's pretty brilliant so far.

only just now? dude you're in for a wild ride, enjoy! ;-)
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 25, 2008, 07:23:05 am
"The Art and Science of Cold Reading"

now that sounds really interesting.

i always wanted to read up on that.

Sorry, I completely forgot about this thread.  If you want that book, I found it in one of Cain's links:  http://docquan.com/lib_dead.html  It's in the NeuroLinguistic Programming section.

I'm still working my way through "Chaos: Making a New Science" by James Glieck.  I almost put it down when he started talking about fluid mechanics and differential equations, two of my least favorite subjects in college.  Thankfully he quickly moved to astronomy and piqued my interest again.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 25, 2008, 07:35:21 am
I just started reading "Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers" by Mary Roach

It's totally good.
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Post by: e on May 25, 2008, 09:52:23 am
I am currently reading the "Age of Unreason" series.

It's sort of "Alchemypunk."  Amusing frippery and silliness, mostly.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2008, 09:53:03 am
I am currently reading the "Age of Unreason" series.

It's sort of "Alchemypunk."  Amusing frippery and silliness, mostly.

Nobody cares what the fuck emo garbage you're reading.
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Post by: e on May 25, 2008, 09:53:45 am
Very true, I have no doubt.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2008, 09:54:50 am
Very true, I have no doubt.

 :pukka:
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Post by: e on May 25, 2008, 09:55:13 am
Very true, I have no doubt.
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Post by: Raphaella on May 25, 2008, 12:57:47 pm
I just started reading "Stiff: The Curious Lives of Human Cadavers" by Mary Roach

It's totally good.

This one is very funny! I hope you enjoy it.
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Post by: Jasper on May 27, 2008, 07:57:12 am
Just picked up a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach by Hofstader.  It's pretty brilliant so far.

only just now? dude you're in for a wild ride, enjoy! ;-)

Dude, I'm only 21 and I'm just finishing my first semester of community college.

Why does everyone think I'm supposed to be experienced?
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Post by: Micro Ice on May 27, 2008, 01:56:14 pm
Reading "Legion" Book 7 of the Horus Heresy
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on May 27, 2008, 06:06:28 pm
A Kaplan GMAT study book. :cry:

I am going to take over the world shortly. This whole legwork thing is kinda a pain in the ass, though. (No, srsly, once I have a degree, fear me.)

Oh, also the Star Wars book Suu lent me. I figure one ridiculous book deserves another. :D

Soon it will be my vacation and I'll be able to lounge in the sun actually reading books that require brain power. It'll be super.
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Post by: SuuCal on May 27, 2008, 06:17:21 pm
...I'm wondering if I should take a week off and do the same.
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Post by: M.K on May 27, 2008, 06:27:36 pm
Terry Pratchett's Carpe Jugulum. Besides another great story contains some dialogue concerning religion. The people talking are Quite Reverend Oats and Granny Weatherwax. Granny + any topic = usually great text.
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Post by: Jasper on May 27, 2008, 07:36:18 pm
Terry Pratchett's Carpe Jugulum. Besides another great story contains some dialogue concerning religion. The people talking are Quite Reverend Oats and Granny Weatherwax. Granny + any topic = usually great text.

Agreed.  I wish there was a book on Esme Weatherwax's youth.
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Post by: Triple Zero on May 27, 2008, 09:01:04 pm
Just picked up a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach by Hofstader.  It's pretty brilliant so far.

only just now? dude you're in for a wild ride, enjoy! ;-)

Dude, I'm only 21 and I'm just finishing my first semester of community college.

Why does everyone think I'm supposed to be experienced?

oh i didnt mean it like that, more that i think this book is probably really right up your alley.
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Post by: Jasper on May 27, 2008, 09:35:12 pm
Just picked up a copy of Godel, Escher, Bach by Hofstader.  It's pretty brilliant so far.

only just now? dude you're in for a wild ride, enjoy! ;-)

Dude, I'm only 21 and I'm just finishing my first semester of community college.

Why does everyone think I'm supposed to be experienced?

oh i didnt mean it like that, more that i think this book is probably really right up your alley.

Oh, sorry I snapped.  Lately I've been putting up with a lot of "OMG you haven't read/seen X?  I question your humanity/geek cred/cultural knowledge!!!"
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Post by: Raphaella on May 28, 2008, 02:38:19 pm
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Oh, sorry I snapped.  Lately I've been putting up with a lot of "OMG you haven't read/seen X?  I question your humanity/geek cred/cultural knowledge!!!"

You should see the blunder I stepped into. I'm now reading The Invisibles...
And doing research in PiHKAL and The Teachings of Don Juan. Please anyone who would like to share with me the physical conditions brought on by Mescaline, send me a PM. Thanks.
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Post by: Dido on May 28, 2008, 11:06:30 pm
I haven't read the Invisibles but Castaneda is funny and occasionally inspiring. And I should like that PM, too.

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Post by: Dido on May 28, 2008, 11:07:45 pm
Finished rereading Half asleep in Frog Pajamas.
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Post by: Raphaella on June 02, 2008, 11:12:31 am
Still researching, but I may have gone off on a bit of a whim. Reading Holotropic Mind and Life after Life. 
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Post by: Jasper on June 03, 2008, 06:20:26 pm
Now reading Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell

It's funny how like Episkopos Cain the main character is.
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Post by: Micro Ice on June 05, 2008, 03:01:58 am
Now reading Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell

It's funny how like Episkopos Cain the main character is.

Ahaha i freaking love those books. Im now reading the Eisenhorn series myself.
I love my warhammer novels way too much.
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Post by: Jasper on June 05, 2008, 08:13:50 am
Now reading Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell

It's funny how like Episkopos Cain the main character is.

Ahaha i freaking love those books. Im now reading the Eisenhorn series myself.
I love my warhammer novels way too much.

Eisenhorn is the best 40K novel, ever, including unwritten ones, presumably.
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Post by: M.K on June 05, 2008, 04:28:21 pm
Now reading Guards! Guards! again. Hell's bells, I didn't remember the amount of great shit in this one. Also, Sam Vimes fucking owns.
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Post by: That One Guy on June 05, 2008, 06:31:52 pm
"Commander, I always used to consider that you had a definite anti-authoritarian streak in you. ... It seems you have managed to retain this even though you are authority. ... That's practically Zen."

-Lord Vetinari to Captain Vimes, Feet of Clay

Lu-Tze: "...one day it seemed to me that everyone else had decided that wisdom can only be found a long way off. So I went to Ankh-Morpork. They were all coming here, so it seemed only fair."
Lobsang: "Seeking enlightenment?"
Lu-Tze: "No. The wise man does not seek enlightenment, he waits for it. So while I was waiting, it occurred to me that seeking perplexity might be more fun."

-Thief of Time

Vimes and Lu Tze should both be Discordian saints. Hell, damn near everyone in that world should be a Discordian saint  :lulz:
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on June 06, 2008, 09:58:22 pm
I'm reading Generation and Degeneration:  Tropes of Reproduction in Literature and History from Antiquity to Early Modern Europe.  It's a little uneven, but I've learned a whole hell of a lot more about male menstruation than necessary.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on June 07, 2008, 07:35:04 am
WTF? i can't even understand that title.

(alan moore's writing for comics, for me)
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Post by: u4!k on June 12, 2008, 11:54:12 pm
Carlos Castaneda's
The Art oF Dreaming.

its really good so far

i intend on pratcticing lucid dreaming every night...
 i know how hard it can be/seem though...
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Post by: The Invisible Man on June 13, 2008, 04:29:36 am
male menstruation

wut
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 13, 2008, 04:39:00 pm
I'm reading "Stiff" by Mary Roach. It's really, really good, like laugh out loud good. Plus, informative!
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Post by: Mangrove on June 13, 2008, 06:55:10 pm
I'm reading "Stiff" by Mary Roach. It's really, really good, like laugh out loud good. Plus, informative!

Mrs Mang' just finished reading 'Spook' by the same author. Much lulz were had.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on June 13, 2008, 07:42:50 pm
male menstruation

wut

Up until a couple centuries ago, it was thought that not only could certain men experience monthly blood loss (through the anus or other, more unusual ways) but that it was beneficial, encouraging fertility and longevity.

 :)
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Post by: Mangrove on June 13, 2008, 07:50:26 pm
male menstruation

wut

Up until a couple centuries ago, it was thought that not only could certain men experience monthly blood loss (through the anus or other, more unusual ways) but that it was beneficial, encouraging fertility and longevity.

 :)

Well, you do indeed learn something new every day. I was under the impression that if a man bleeds regularly from his anus, he just might be carrying around some colon cancer.
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Post by: Cain on June 13, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
Empire by Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt (ECH recommendation).  Very interesting, might post more on this later once I've had the time to assimilate it.

Categories by Aristotle.  Getting my philosophy on.

Computer Security and Cryptography by Wiley.  Inspired by Cory Doctorow's Little Brother to make sure my computer wont be used against me (come the revolution).
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Post by: u4!k on June 14, 2008, 06:13:17 am
Empire by Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt (ECH recommendation).  Very interesting, might post more on this later once I've had the time to assimilate it.

Categories by Aristotle.  Getting my philosophy on.

Computer Security and Cryptography by Wiley.  Inspired by Cory Doctorow's Little Brother to make sure my computer wont be used against me (come the revolution).

i just acquired some Aristotle myself. A translation of ON MAN IN THE UNIVERSE.

It has a really interesting part on metaphysics.

really cool!
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 14, 2008, 07:27:55 am
Aristotle was a rube.

Cicero is where it's at.

TGRR,
Knows Romans pwn Greeks.  169%.
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Post by: Cain on June 14, 2008, 02:51:57 pm
Hume > everyone.

That said, I haven't read any Aristotle in ages, so I may as well give it a go over again.
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Post by: u4!k on June 14, 2008, 07:04:39 pm
reading is thinking

and either way...

thinking is thinking.

(its ALL good!)
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 14, 2008, 11:26:53 pm
I'm reading "Stiff" by Mary Roach. It's really, really good, like laugh out loud good. Plus, informative!

Mrs Mang' just finished reading 'Spook' by the same author. Much lulz were had.

I will have to read the rest of her books. She's great!
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Post by: Micro Ice on June 15, 2008, 12:10:45 am
Peace and War By: Joe Haldeman

Great book i recommend it.
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Post by: rong on June 15, 2008, 12:41:39 am
reading is thinking

and either way...

thinking is thinking.

(its ALL good!)

i don't think so
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 16, 2008, 10:37:39 pm
Reading "Unholy Spirits" by Gary North at the suggestion of Cain. I dove into it knowing absolutely nothing about Mr. North and his crazy beliefs.  This thing is like a massive trainwreck.  I'm only on page 26 and I've already busted 3 Irony Meters. 

His overall thesis so far seems to be: the damned-dirty hippies (especially The Beatles) are to blame for the rise of both occultism and humanism in the United States, the occultism has started to corrupt our universities and is harming science and OUR VERY WAY OF LIFE!!!, the best way to save Western Civilization is to reject occultism and go back to the old mythology of Christianity. 

I don't think that there is any way I'll be able to finish this thing because the amount of horrormirth has been overwhelming so far.  Damn you, Cain!!!   :argh!:
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Post by: Mangrove on June 17, 2008, 07:09:51 pm
Reading "Unholy Spirits" by Gary North at the suggestion of Cain. I dove into it knowing absolutely nothing about Mr. North and his crazy beliefs.  This thing is like a massive trainwreck.  I'm only on page 26 and I've already busted 3 Irony Meters. 

His overall thesis so far seems to be: the damned-dirty hippies (especially The Beatles) are to blame for the rise of both occultism and humanism in the United States, the occultism has started to corrupt our universities and is harming science and OUR VERY WAY OF LIFE!!!, the best way to save Western Civilization is to reject occultism and go back to the old mythology of Christianity. 

I don't think that there is any way I'll be able to finish this thing because the amount of horrormirth has been overwhelming so far.  Damn you, Cain!!!   :argh!:

This book sounds ridiculous. I think I want to read it!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 18, 2008, 08:16:09 am
Reading "Unholy Spirits" by Gary North at the suggestion of Cain. I dove into it knowing absolutely nothing about Mr. North and his crazy beliefs.  This thing is like a massive trainwreck.  I'm only on page 26 and I've already busted 3 Irony Meters. 

His overall thesis so far seems to be: the damned-dirty hippies (especially The Beatles) are to blame for the rise of both occultism and humanism in the United States, the occultism has started to corrupt our universities and is harming science and OUR VERY WAY OF LIFE!!!, the best way to save Western Civilization is to reject occultism and go back to the old mythology of Christianity. 

I don't think that there is any way I'll be able to finish this thing because the amount of horrormirth has been overwhelming so far.  Damn you, Cain!!!   :argh!:

This book sounds ridiculous. I think I want to read it!

Ok, but don't say I didn't warn you:

http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/21ea_47e.htm
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Post by: Raphaella on June 21, 2008, 05:23:33 pm
I saved a copy for later perusal, it cant be as insufferable as The Politics at Gods Funeral, or can it?

 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Triple Zero on June 22, 2008, 03:55:52 pm
Cryptonomicon

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Post by: Cain on June 22, 2008, 04:35:31 pm
Reading "Unholy Spirits" by Gary North at the suggestion of Cain. I dove into it knowing absolutely nothing about Mr. North and his crazy beliefs.  This thing is like a massive trainwreck.  I'm only on page 26 and I've already busted 3 Irony Meters. 

His overall thesis so far seems to be: the damned-dirty hippies (especially The Beatles) are to blame for the rise of both occultism and humanism in the United States, the occultism has started to corrupt our universities and is harming science and OUR VERY WAY OF LIFE!!!, the best way to save Western Civilization is to reject occultism and go back to the old mythology of Christianity. 

I don't think that there is any way I'll be able to finish this thing because the amount of horrormirth has been overwhelming so far.  Damn you, Cain!!!   :argh!:

This book sounds ridiculous. I think I want to read it!

Ok, but don't say I didn't warn you:

http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/21ea_47e.htm

STFU, Gary North is teh awesome.

He goes on about psychics and Carlos Castenada and stuff later on in the book too.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on June 23, 2008, 08:18:30 pm
Now reading The Eternal Hermes by Antoine Faivre.  Between this and Trickster Makes the World, I am fairly convinced that Hermes is a viable Discordian deity in his own right.  Possibly more on that later.
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Post by: Reeducation on June 25, 2008, 10:47:04 am
The Illuminatus! Trilogy, at page 296.
Any other good books from these/this guys/guy?

(beyond good and evil, is still on pause. i'll have to start it again)
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Post by: Dido on June 25, 2008, 03:40:29 pm
Now reading The Eternal Hermes by Antoine Faivre.  Between this and Trickster Makes the World, I am fairly convinced that Hermes is a viable Discordian deity in his own right.  Possibly more on that later.

That's the second Hermes in five minutes. Hm.

Now reading Modest_Witness@Second_Millenium by Haraway.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on June 29, 2008, 03:42:49 am
The Religious Case Against Belief by James P. Carse

Very interesting; so far I'm pretty captivated by his arguments about the nature of belief systems. I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 29, 2008, 07:22:10 am
"Breaking the Spell" Daniel Dennett.  Basically about the memetics of religion.  Pretty interesting so far.

I'm still trying to finish "Chaos: Making a New Science".  It's a hard subject to get your head wrapped around though.

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Post by: Thurnez Isa on July 13, 2008, 05:11:44 pm
Geobbels speach on propaganda

http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=715&paper=2159
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 15, 2008, 03:58:20 am
"Veronika Decides to Die" by Coelho. So far so good.
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Post by: Honey on July 17, 2008, 12:52:12 pm
I started reading the Illuminatus! Trilogy & while I like certain parts, some of it is starting to annoy me.  I'm taking a break to re-read the chapter about the Mind's Eye in How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker
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Post by: singer on July 17, 2008, 03:00:03 pm
I started reading the Illuminatus! Trilogy & while I like certain parts, some of it is starting to annoy me. 
The first time I read it I was so irritated I tossed it to a friend and said "You have to wade through 700 pages of dreck to get to one good joke about how Catholics earned Bingo"... since then I have revised some of my opinion.
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Post by: The Invisible Man on July 17, 2008, 06:52:20 pm
I started reading the Illuminatus! Trilogy & while I like certain parts, some of it is starting to annoy me.  I'm taking a break to re-read the chapter about the Mind's Eye in How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker

I skip parts now, if I pick it up again, but I really loved it the first time I read it.  It touched on so many things I was interested in.  I guess that helped, for me.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 17, 2008, 08:40:15 pm
I'm reading The Pirate's Dilemma by Matt Mason, and A Game of Thrones by George RR Martin (Fire and Ice series, apparently an amazing series of books according to most of my friends).

I'm doing a review of The Pirate's Dilemma for Liberal Conspiracy, so once I've done it, I'll add it here as well.
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Post by: Eve on July 20, 2008, 05:31:40 pm
Letters to a Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke
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Post by: Mangrove on July 22, 2008, 08:04:41 pm
Secret Agent 666 by Richard B Spence.

Spence's previous book on espionage lead to many parallels & overlaps with Crowley. Seems that AC's claims to have worked for Intelligence services were, for once, based on fact and not the product of his drug addled mind.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 22, 2008, 11:33:37 pm
The Chanur Saga by C.J. Cherryh
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Post by: Kurt Christ on July 23, 2008, 11:15:57 pm
Temporary Autonomous Zone by Hakim Bey, and Foundation by Isaac Asimov.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on July 24, 2008, 12:23:59 am
The Chanur Saga by C.J. Cherryh

C. J. Cherryh is my favorite author.

I'm reading Freedom and Necessity by Stephen Brust and Emma Bull.
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Post by: Honey on July 24, 2008, 01:38:19 am
Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. 

& thanks for the insights about the Illimunatus! Trilogy - I realized why I was getting annoyed with certain parts.  Living through the hippy parties when I was in high school just about did me in for conspiracy theories.  The people at that time were abut 10 - 15 years older than I was, smoking weed in their living rooms, passing it from person to person using roach clips attached to car antennas.  It just got old & tired after a while, listening to them spout their home-grown conspiracy theories.  It really wasn't very funny at the time, it was kinda desperate.  Also I could get better weed at half the price at my high school, & that made me wonder?  Unless they grew it themselves & then it was really bad (usually)

I did read the Principia Discordia tho & preferred that writing style & humor.  Although I still prefer the BIP for cultural relevance & the fact that it's still evolving (what could be more relevant?) 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 24, 2008, 01:51:41 am
The Chanur Saga by C.J. Cherryh

C. J. Cherryh is my favorite author.

I'm reading Freedom and Necessity by Stephen Brust and Emma Bull.

What a coincidence, Stephen Brust is one of my favorite authors.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 24, 2008, 02:47:11 am
I have pretty much stopped reading entirely. I love books, but my ability to maintain a narrative has disappeared (admittedly, it's been in a steady decline since I was 12). Last thing I read was Whipping Girl by Julia Serano, which is a very intelligent examination of transsexuality, feminism, and a bit of the author's life. I recommend it to pretty much everyone (mostly because the more people that are understanding and accepting of transsexuality, the better.)
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:19:33 am
I am in favor of acceptance of transsexuality, but not so much of surgical gender reassignment, because I believe that perception of transsexuality as a "disorder" is a result of our constrictive society and the development of gender reassignment surgery is a symptom of that constriction.

But I'm just a bloody primitive.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on July 24, 2008, 08:32:49 am
I don't know, if I were a man I think I'd be annoyed at having breasts and would be happy to get rid of them.  My best friend is a FtM, and he wants to take down his chest a few notches.  I don't know if he wants to do anything about his uterus though.  I would say that surgery is less about treating a disorder, than making the owner of the body happier. 
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 24, 2008, 08:42:03 am
Sexual Reassignment Surgery isn't a symptom of society viewing being trans as a disorder. Srsly. A lot of transgirls (and transmen, even though they're pretty fucked when it comes to getting a penis*) really can't stand their given genitalia, and it's not because they're trying to conform to some constrictive gender role. And there's lots of transwomen who really aren't too emphatic about getting a fancy new vagina, but would like to anyways, just because it's more fulfilling than having an annoying reminder of your chromosomes swinging in between your legs. There's even some trans people trying to make it seem more "normal" by just saying that being trans is a birth defect, and nothing more, so it and attempts to transition should be treated like any other birth defect and attempts to correct it. (But I'm all for delivering a big "fuck you" to the "let's all try to be really normal" community.)


*phalloplasty, the surgery that gives transmen dicks, is still a not so great alternative to having a vagina, which is why there's more non op FtMs than MtFs. While vaginoplasty can create very natural looking genitalia, phalloplasty tends towards some really weird looking pen0rz.

Fake edit: RBG's post reminded me that I completely forgot about top surgery, but then I remembered that essentially the same argument applies, except transwomen grow them naturally with hormones and transmen need a mastectomy.
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Post by: Cain on July 24, 2008, 09:18:25 am
Gotta agree with TLU here.  I have a transsexual friend from University who was exactly as he described, and as I understand it, her feelings on the matter are pretty much the norm within the transsexual community.
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Post by: Voodoo on July 24, 2008, 04:38:59 pm
I have read that a lot of transmen (am I using this correctly?) have the top done but never actually finish the bottom.  i wonder if that is because phalloplasty seems like a nasty business or for other reasons.  Only transman i have know didn't finish bottom. 
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 06:27:50 pm
I understand all of the arguments for GRS in modern Western society, but transgendered people have existed for the entirety of human existence, and in cultures which accepted trans people as a third or fourth gender, there are no such reports of disgust with one's natural body, and to me that speaks volumes.

From my perspective, and I don't want to get all woo-woo on you here but it's not an uncommon view from people raised in native American religions, it's sad and a waste when people feel they have to destroy such a rare gift by changing their outside bodies.

I say this despite knowing many trans people and supporting their decision to choose surgery in order to make them happy in the here and now... I just feel that requiring surgery for this happiness is something that our society has coerced.
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Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 06:40:39 pm
In the "history" you speak of, Nigel, it was impossible to physically change yourself.

Now it's possible, and some people want to do something about it.

I dunno about the body being a "rare gift" -- it can be a pretty ugly sack of meat and pain, sometimes.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 06:56:03 pm
Right, but I guess what my point is, is that the self-loathing and overwhelming desire to change our bodies seems to go hand in hand with the culture of vanity in which external appearances are valued above internal humanity. You are free to disagree, but I myself have had the thought that I "should" get a nose job or a tummy tuck, and having that thought led me to hatred... literal hatred and disgust... at the saggy belly and big nose biology has given me.

But does that make the loathing and disgust natural and inherent? I personally don't think so.

We live in a society where the drive toward medical intervention now kills more infants than it saves every year, and yet most people in the medical community refuse to recognize it. Just because something is medically or surgically possible does not make it good, yet for many it DOES make it desirable. See how that works?
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Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 06:58:34 pm
Yeah, but a tummy tuck and a nose job doesn't change a fundamental aspect of your identity.

Gender is sliiiiightly more all-encompassing than that.
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Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 06:59:17 pm
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We live in a society where the drive toward medical intervention now kills more infants than it saves every year, and yet most people in the medical community refuse to recognize it.

:cn:
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 24, 2008, 06:59:26 pm
Quote
I have read that a lot of transmen (am I using this correctly?) have the top done but never actually finish the bottom.  i wonder if that is because phalloplasty seems like a nasty business or for other reasons.  Only transman i have know didn't finish bottom.

It's also expensive as hell and there's a somewhat high possibility of things going wrong (like, "omg i can't pee or feel anything" wrong).

I understand all of the arguments for GRS in modern Western society, but transgendered people have existed for the entirety of human existence, and in cultures which accepted trans people as a third or fourth gender, there are no such reports of disgust with one's natural body, and to me that speaks volumes.

From my perspective, and I don't want to get all woo-woo on you here but it's not an uncommon view from people raised in native American religions, it's sad and a waste when people feel they have to destroy such a rare gift by changing their outside bodies.

I say this despite knowing many trans people and supporting their decision to choose surgery in order to make them happy in the here and now... I just feel that requiring surgery for this happiness is something that our society has coerced.

The thing is, most trans people aren't a third gender. Androgynous/neutrois people are quite happy with that state of being, which is why they don't tend towards bottom surgery (though I know one neutrois person who recently had surgery to turn their penis into a blank spot with a place to pee + a clit, which they were pretty happy with.) Transsexuals, however, just want to be seen as a man or a woman. While you're right in that there definitely is something of a gift in being able to experience aspects of both sexes/genders, it's not a gift to have the wrong set of genitals, nor is it a gift to be viewed as something you're not. Adding a bit of personal perspective here: I don't want to be seen as a part of some "third gender." I'm a girl. I'm not feminine/female in every respect, and I'm comfortable with bending genders, but I'm still a pretty normal, everyday girl. Being treated like some special, mythical door number 3 isn't going to make me happy, but will just encourage me feeling singled out and marginalized as either an object of pity or scorn.

And most therapy related to gender identity issues these days aims to make people happy and comfortable with their own bodies before they try to change anything. In fact, the medical "gatekeepers" tend to view anxiety/depression resulting from gender dysphoria as a sign of mental illness and enough reason to delay/prevent treatment. Generally if things work out right, SRS isn't being done "to make them happy" so much as it's just a way to make it easier to get comfortable in their own body.
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Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 24, 2008, 07:07:43 pm
Right, but I guess what my point is, is that the self-loathing and overwhelming desire to change our bodies seems to go hand in hand with the culture of vanity in which external appearances are valued above internal humanity. You are free to disagree, but I myself have had the thought that I "should" get a nose job or a tummy tuck, and having that thought led me to hatred... literal hatred and disgust... at the saggy belly and big nose biology has given me.

But does that make the loathing and disgust natural and inherent? I personally don't think so.

Tummy tuck/nosejob = purely cosmetic alteration of something which isn't very significant.

SRS = alteration of something our culture, since the very beginning, sees as THE symbol of one's gender identity. It's a little more fulfilling than getting a different nose or belly.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:11:18 pm
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We live in a society where the drive toward medical intervention now kills more infants than it saves every year, and yet most people in the medical community refuse to recognize it.

:cn:

"The American Way of Birth" by Jessica Mitford

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:12:34 pm
Right, but I guess what my point is, is that the self-loathing and overwhelming desire to change our bodies seems to go hand in hand with the culture of vanity in which external appearances are valued above internal humanity. You are free to disagree, but I myself have had the thought that I "should" get a nose job or a tummy tuck, and having that thought led me to hatred... literal hatred and disgust... at the saggy belly and big nose biology has given me.

But does that make the loathing and disgust natural and inherent? I personally don't think so.

Tummy tuck/nosejob = purely cosmetic alteration of something which isn't very significant.

SRS = alteration of something our culture, since the very beginning, sees as THE symbol of one's gender identity. It's a little more fulfilling than getting a different nose or belly.

I understand that and I'm not trying to trivialize reassignment surgery. I'm just pointing out that often the desire for something corresponds to it's availability, as well as the cultural perception of it's appropriateness.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:13:11 pm
Anyway, I'm not that interested in arguing this, because I don't care about changing anyone's mind. I shared my perspective, that's all I wanted to do.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 24, 2008, 07:15:51 pm
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We live in a society where the drive toward medical intervention now kills more infants than it saves every year, and yet most people in the medical community refuse to recognize it.

:cn:

Indeed.


However, to be fair, my mom told me of an incident in which she had to tell a pregnant woman to GTFO of the hospital because the greedy-ass surgeon wanted to perform the cesarean section before he went on vacation... never mind that the baby wasn't due for weeks.
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Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 07:20:19 pm
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We live in a society where the drive toward medical intervention now kills more infants than it saves every year, and yet most people in the medical community refuse to recognize it.

:cn:

"The American Way of Birth" by Jessica Mitford

I couldn't find anything relevant with a quick google search, just a wikipedia article on other books by her, and a review calling her a "communist muckraker".

So, uh... anything else?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 24, 2008, 07:23:14 pm
http://www.amazon.com/American-Way-Birth-Plume/dp/0452270685
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 07:26:48 pm
Yes, I know where to go to buy it, but the Amazon site doesn't give details, stats, graphs, or any of the rest of it.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:27:38 pm
There's actually been a lot written about this, Dr. Bradley, the Sears', etc.

The US has the highest infant mortality rate of the first world, and the main correlation, which many doctors and health experts believe is also causation, is the highest rate of C-section and other medical interference to the birth process. Poor nutrition is also a heavy contender, though.

As they say, give a small boy a hammer and everything looks like a nail.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 07:28:41 pm
Yes, I know where to go to buy it, but the Amazon site doesn't give details, stats, graphs, or any of the rest of it.

I'm sorry, I didn't get my information online, I got it from books when I was studying to be a childbirth coach.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2008, 07:33:56 pm
Is that in comparison to historical mortality rates, or to "developing nations" or just to other "first world" countries?
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Post by: Voodoo on July 24, 2008, 07:37:01 pm
I understand all of the arguments for GRS in modern Western society, but transgendered people have existed for the entirety of human existence, and in cultures which accepted trans people as a third or fourth gender, there are no such reports of disgust with one's natural body, and to me that speaks volumes.

From my perspective, and I don't want to get all woo-woo on you here but it's not an uncommon view from people raised in native American religions, it's sad and a waste when people feel they have to destroy such a rare gift by changing their outside bodies.

I say this despite knowing many trans people and supporting their decision to choose surgery in order to make them happy in the here and now... I just feel that requiring surgery for this happiness is something that our society has coerced.

agreed
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 24, 2008, 11:19:24 pm
Is that in comparison to historical mortality rates, or to "developing nations" or just to other "first world" countries?

Only other "first world" countries. If this is something that interests you, it's not hard to research, and all of the obvious statistical adjustments and arguments you might be thinking of off the top of your head have been explored pretty thoroughly. It's old news for me, so I'm not particularly interested in discussing it more, but may be an area of interest if you wanted to pursue it. Dr. Sears addresses it in his book on childbirth, as does Sheila Kitzinger.
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Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2008, 07:13:38 pm
No arguments just yet, only questions.


So, US is last among 1st world countries.

How do we rank against developing counrtries, and against the US 50 years ago?

How does the US compare with 1st world countries 50 years ago, while we're at it?
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Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 26, 2008, 12:18:03 am
I'm reading John Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar.

One of those relevant books.

Phew.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2008, 03:32:42 am
No arguments just yet, only questions.


So, US is last among 1st world countries.

How do we rank against developing counrtries, and against the US 50 years ago?

How does the US compare with 1st world countries 50 years ago, while we're at it?

I don't know about 50 years ago, but currently we're at #28 globally. The US has been dead last among first world countries, and we had a very dramatic increase in infant and maternal mortality, at the time when most states passed laws against midwifery in order to foster the newly-developed medical branch called "obstetrics".
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 26, 2008, 03:52:35 am
No arguments just yet, only questions.


So, US is last among 1st world countries.

How do we rank against developing counrtries, and against the US 50 years ago?

How does the US compare with 1st world countries 50 years ago, while we're at it?

I don't know about 50 years ago, but currently we're at #28 globally. The US has been dead last among first world countries, and we had a very dramatic increase in infant and maternal mortality, at the time when most states passed laws against midwifery in order to foster the newly-developed medical branch called "obstetrics".

I believe there is a long and cherished tradition of discrediting midwives in favor of medical practitioners who are not necessarily any better at the job.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 26, 2008, 05:49:09 am
There sure is, and recent decriminalization of midwifery in many states has brought with it an astonishing level of violence against midwives, much of it from disgruntled doctors. For a while in Oregon, midwives were traveling to births with police escorts.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 26, 2008, 02:18:32 pm
And before some smartypance strokes their e-penis by posting a :cn: in response to my previous post: I will get your damned citation when my books come in. Freaking shipping taking a million years...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: fomenter on July 26, 2008, 04:01:26 pm
movie on the topic of birth in America " the business of being born " 2007

"Director Abby Epstein's controversial documentary takes a hard look at America's maternity care system, juxtaposing hospital deliveries against the growing popularity of at-home, natural childbirths that many expectant parents are now opting for. Former talk show host Ricki Lake was inspired to produce this compelling expose after a dissatisfying birthing experience with her first child left her with many unanswered questions."
 
good documentary...
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Post by: Cain on July 29, 2008, 12:34:18 am
An Encyclopedia of Toxicology.

For real.  This is fascinating.  Kai, if you want a copy, drop me a line.
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Post by: That One Guy on August 08, 2008, 03:07:42 pm
I just finished up The Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling (decent but not amazing steampunk, and it's REALLY obvious as to who wrote what bits, although I still enjoy about 85% of the book), and am just starting in on Illusions, the Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach.
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Post by: Buddha's Ghost Penis on August 09, 2008, 03:19:59 am
WE ARE READING THE POST BELOW US!
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Post by: Buddha's Ghost Penis on August 09, 2008, 03:20:33 am
WE ARE READING THE POST ABOVE US!
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 10, 2008, 10:35:00 am
Still reading Daniel Dennett's "Breaking the Spell".  Maybe the single most important book I've ever read (besides the PD).  Religious beliefs make a whole lot more sense when you view it in memetic terms.  About once a chapter I have to stop and say, "Holy shit! That finally makes sense!"  May have to do a summary/review of the book when I'm done.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on August 10, 2008, 08:54:04 pm
I'm reading To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis.  It is my most favorite book ever and I read it about once every six months. 
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Post by: nurbldoff on August 16, 2008, 12:11:47 am
Relating to the previous discussion of child mortality, I recommend http://graphs.gapminder.org (http://graphs.gapminder.org). It's a neat toy for exploring tons of data about the world in an accessible way. Plot child mortality rate against e.g. income per capita and then watch what happens through the last 50 years...

I'm reading "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment" by Yates.

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Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 16, 2008, 10:41:55 am
Reread about half of Watchmen at work tonight. I'm really curious how they are going to pull off the movie now.  Such a huge chunk of the story is told in flashbacks. I'm still geeked about it though. 
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Post by: Richter on August 19, 2008, 12:20:21 am
"Master and commander", "The Blind watchmaker"
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Post by: Nast on August 20, 2008, 06:48:51 am
I've been thinking about reading Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard, but the use of language in that book is so outlandishly postmodern that I'm wondering how I'd ever get through it without jamming something unpleasant into somewhere equally as unpleasant.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on August 20, 2008, 07:23:51 am
Postmodernism:  Not Worth The Effort.
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Post by: Nast on August 20, 2008, 07:37:52 am
My thoughts exactly, but the lulz aspect of it is tantalizing. I find anyone who can string together such pretentious words like "eschalon", "matrices" "simulacra", "imagen" and pass it off as a coherent sentence, let alone thought, highly hilarious. I can only hope to one day be that full of shit.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 20, 2008, 07:55:22 am
I just started reading "Nation" by Terry Pratchett, which my daughter insists is an "immortal book". There are only three books which she proclaims to be "immortal"; one of them is "The Little White Horse" and I can't remember the other one.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 20, 2008, 07:56:22 am
Oh yeah, it was "Island of the Blue Dolphins".
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on August 20, 2008, 07:57:01 am
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8437/sealpf5.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 20, 2008, 07:57:42 am
[img=http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8437/sealpf5.gif] (http://imageshack.us)


You want me to upload an image?
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on August 20, 2008, 07:58:15 am
Shut up.

The Little White Horse is unqualified best children's book EVER.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 20, 2008, 08:11:59 am
It's on my nightstand; I plan to read it after Nation if the serial killer novel I'm supposed to review next is too bad to read.


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Post by: Cain on August 20, 2008, 08:59:07 am
I've been thinking about reading Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard, but the use of language in that book is so outlandishly postmodern that I'm wondering how I'd ever get through it without jamming something unpleasant into somewhere equally as unpleasant.

Its actually not too bad, when compared to the likes of Lacan, for example.  I suggest reading The Society of the Spectacle first, however.
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Post by: Cain on August 21, 2008, 05:55:29 pm
The Open Society and Its Enemies - Karl Popper

OK, but a bit simplistic and naive in places.  Camus did this much better, and with much fewer words, though his smackdown of Plato promises to be amusing.

Also, The Cambridge Companion to Critical Theory, since so many people have so many divergent takes on the Critical Theorists, so I should probably learn something about them.
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Post by: LMNO on August 21, 2008, 08:19:15 pm
Over the vacation I read "Crooked Little Vein" by Warren Ellis.


Yes, that Warren Ellis.


A good read, but not much of a story arc.
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Post by: A.N. Other on August 27, 2008, 04:02:35 am
I just picked up a book called "Language In Thought And Action" by S.I. Hayakawa and Alan R. Hayakawa that I shall begin reading sometime tonight.
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Post by: LMNO on September 03, 2008, 03:56:10 pm
I've been reading "Fear and Loathing On the Campaign Trail 1972", HST.

That's some good shit, right there.  Eerily relevant, too.
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Post by: That One Guy on September 03, 2008, 06:14:40 pm
I've been reading "Fear and Loathing On the Campaign Trail 1972", HST.

That's some good shit, right there.  Eerily relevant, too.

I read that every campaign season to get in the proper perspective. So much quality in that book  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on September 11, 2008, 09:25:07 pm
"Why Darwin Matters" - Michael Shermer.  First thing I've actually read anything by Shermer but I've seen a few of his lectures and interviews online.  He does a great job of destroying Intelligent Design from a philosophical point of view. I'm more used to seeing it destroyed from the science side of things so it's been an interesting read.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 12, 2008, 04:37:18 pm
I'm reading "Fragile Things" by Gaiman.
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Post by: Reeducation on September 25, 2008, 10:00:22 pm
Prometheus Rising by you know.
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Post by: fomenter on September 25, 2008, 10:14:00 pm
Dexter just finished "dearly devoted" and "darkly dreaming" waiting for the next one to show in the mail.. yay
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Post by: Professor Mu-Chao on September 26, 2008, 01:36:23 am
Does anyone here use Librarything.com?
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Post by: LMNO on September 26, 2008, 04:50:17 pm
I unpacked my Transmetropolitans out of storage, so I started that while finishing up Fear & Loathing '72.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on September 27, 2008, 01:57:34 am
the control book  by Peter Masters (lol silly name)
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 27, 2008, 05:08:48 am
"The Great Mortality"
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Post by: Cain on September 28, 2008, 01:00:45 pm
Slavoj Žižek, In Defence of Lost Causes.

An interesting book.  Žižek is one of the few Continental non-postmodern philosophers, and it shows in his writings (mainly because they are comprehensible and seem to align, at least in part, to reality).  His use of Lacanian psychoanalysis and critical questioning, as opposed to trying to answer questions, take him down some very odd roads.

Anyhow, this book is about how the age of grand narratives may not be quite as over as it seems.  He wants to go back and pick at the corpses of 'failed' ideologies to see what they brung to the table and make it harder to dismiss them out of hand.  Whether he fails or succeeds remains to be seen, but he already goes through some interesting side arguments in order to make his point.

The Times has a review of his book here http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/article3800980.ece
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 28, 2008, 01:29:34 pm
I started reading "Winesburg, Ohio" tonight and it is murdering me with beauty.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on September 29, 2008, 12:51:43 am
I picked up a couple free books.  right now I'm reading The Longest Street by Louis Sobol, who was a reporter for Broadway crap for a long ass time waaay back when.  Like, he started in 1929.  So far it's been an endless namedrop of people I haven't even heard of, with the occasional person I recognise (ie Fred Astaire).  It's hilarious.  SEriously hilarious.  I opened it to a random page and found a tirade about how the future of the "back-stage johnny" is doomed because girls these days have too much ambition. 
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Post by: Requia ☣ on September 29, 2008, 01:52:46 am
Damn you for taking the cat orgasm quote for your sig first Badger.  Damn you. :argh!:
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on September 29, 2008, 04:58:07 am
There, I changed it to something even funnier.   :lulz:
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Post by: Richter on September 29, 2008, 03:29:51 pm
http://www.fredvanlente.com/cthulhutract/pages/index.html

(Potential counter - missionary marterial.)
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Post by: Jasper on September 29, 2008, 06:33:26 pm
I like that a lot.  Favorite line was "sanity-blasting truths of the greater cosmos". :lulz:
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Post by: Richter on September 29, 2008, 07:45:14 pm
It gets funny whenever I read it. :)

"It isn't a proper CoC game / fiction / etc. unless 'put the gun in your mouth' is an option."
-paraphrased Tim the Necromancer, former coworker.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on October 05, 2008, 03:33:29 am
FINALLY finished "Breaking the Spell".  May or may not do some writing on it.  The beginning and end sections were kinda boring but the middle section was absolutely fascinating.  Still one of the most important books I've ever read.

Anyways, now reading "Don't Panic: Douglas Adams & The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" by Neil Gaiman. 
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Post by: Reeducation on October 09, 2008, 10:51:39 am
I'll start reading Wilhelm Reich in Hell today
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 10, 2008, 02:44:16 pm
When on public transit, I am currently reading The Best American Non-Required Reading 2008. It's a great smattering of fiction and nonfiction, along with some hilarious ephemera at the front (such as "Best American Newspaper Headlines, 1907"--I nearly shat myself from laughing). I don't like some of it, but some of it is so brilliant that I'm laughing out loud in the T. I don't think it's particularly diverse in the selections--you can really tell exactly what the selections board was into, and it's a little fatiguing sometimes, because it feels like this group of high schoolers is trying to proselytize to me through what they put into the book--but overall, I'm enjoying it and would recommend it, if only for the ephemera.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on October 14, 2008, 06:38:23 am
The Blue Equinox.. :mrgreen:
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 09:51:41 am
A Game of Thrones by George RR Martin.

I think I guessed the plot about 100 pages too early.
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Post by: Payne on October 14, 2008, 10:40:43 am
A Game of Thrones by George RR Martin.

I think I guessed the plot about 100 pages too early.

I was completely unable to read his books. Just couldn't get into them at all.
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 10:47:38 am
It takes about 100 pages or so to get into this.  But once you do, it becomes much more interesting.  Assassination, intrigue, the games of great houses, uncertain and uncomfortable alliances...its all there.

I left it alone for a while for the same reason.  But I decided to give it another go, because so many people had told me it was worth it.
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Post by: Payne on October 14, 2008, 10:53:25 am
It takes about 100 pages or so to get into this.  But once you do, it becomes much more interesting.  Assassination, intrigue, the games of great houses, uncertain and uncomfortable alliances...its all there.

I left it alone for a while for the same reason.  But I decided to give it another go, because so many people had told me it was worth it.

I think what did it for me was reading through the first book, then buying the second to find there was a printing error, and the first 150 pages or so were just repeated 5 or 6 times.

Then I just couldn't work up the motivation to buy a proper copy and finish the series.
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 11:06:59 am
Ah.

Well yes, that would be annoying.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 14, 2008, 03:19:45 pm
I love those books.

But I am about ready to give up on them because stupid George RR Martin keeps promising that he's going to finish the next book, but he's been promising for YEARS (it was supposed to be released by the end of 2004, to give you context) and we're still seeing nothing. I understand that writing can't be rushed, but FOUR YEARS LATE? I'm not patient enough for this crap. Not when there's supposed to be something like seven or eight books and there's only four out and he can't even keep to his schedule.

He's an amazing writer and the books become darker and more ridiculous and more amazing the further in you get (though sometimes a bit over the top), but this is just absurd.
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Post by: Payne on October 14, 2008, 03:23:17 pm
He's going to do a Robert Jordan.

And I laugh at all you fuckers.
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 03:25:17 pm
I love those books.

But I am about ready to give up on them because stupid George RR Martin keeps promising that he's going to finish the next book, but he's been promising for YEARS (it was supposed to be released by the end of 2004, to give you context) and we're still seeing nothing. I understand that writing can't be rushed, but FOUR YEARS LATE? I'm not patient enough for this crap. Not when there's supposed to be something like seven or eight books and there's only four out and he can't even keep to his schedule.

He's an amazing writer and the books become darker and more ridiculous and more amazing the further in you get (though sometimes a bit over the top), but this is just absurd.

Yes, but you know what this means?

Slashfic.

Naturally, Tyrion/Jon Snow slash will feature highly.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 14, 2008, 03:49:14 pm
 :x :x :x
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 03:51:10 pm
Tyrion is at a perfect height for giving blow jobs!
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Post by: LMNO on October 14, 2008, 03:52:09 pm
Consider yourselves lucky that I have never read those books.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 14, 2008, 03:56:07 pm
Consider yourselves lucky that I have never read those books.

When I saw you had posted in this thread, my first thought was of panic that maybe you had.

The sense of relief that I felt when I saw that you have not read them is really borderline orgasmic.
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 03:57:39 pm
Consider yourselves lucky that I have never read those books.

You can download them from http://www.anonib.com/bookchan/index.php?t=632
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Post by: LMNO on October 14, 2008, 03:58:36 pm
Consider yourselves lucky that I have never read those books.

When I saw you had posted in this thread, my first thought was of panic that maybe you had.

The sense of relief that I felt when I saw that you have not read them is really borderline orgasmic.

Wow.  Either way then, I win.
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Post by: LMNO on October 14, 2008, 03:58:54 pm
Consider yourselves lucky that I have never read those books.

You can download them from http://www.anonib.com/bookchan/index.php?t=632


MUA-HA-HA-HA!
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 03:59:37 pm
They're .lit files, so you will need the ABC LIT Converter.
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Post by: Darth Cupcake on October 14, 2008, 04:00:06 pm
And an absurd quantity of time on your hands.

They are long. Very long.
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Post by: Cain on October 14, 2008, 04:03:51 pm
True.  The first book is 527 pages long, on my screen.

And that is A4 size pages.
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Post by: LMNO on October 14, 2008, 04:08:36 pm
Gah.


Your innocent brains are safe.  For now.
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Post by: Eve on October 14, 2008, 04:12:26 pm
Why is this thread unofficial, btw?
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 14, 2008, 06:54:02 pm
Why is this thread unofficial, btw?

To protest the official one, because we're Really Real Discordians who bite our thumbs at the "officials."
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Post by: Jasper on October 14, 2008, 08:02:44 pm
That, and we couldn't get it sanctioned by anybody worth asking.
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Post by: Cain on October 16, 2008, 10:58:16 am
Now reading Against the Masses: Varities of Anti-Democratic Thought since the French Revolution, by Joesph Femia.

I found a ton of very excellent academic texts uploaded to a torrent site recently.  I might upload some for people here later.
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Post by: dr retard on October 16, 2008, 01:25:11 pm
SATAN, his psychotheraphy and cure. By Jeremy Leven.

I like very much..
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Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2008, 02:25:52 pm
I'm re-reading On Bullshit by Harry Frankfurt.  A philisophical inquiry into what bullshit is, and why it exists.
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Post by: Cain on October 16, 2008, 02:43:55 pm
You make John Dolan cry when you read that book:

Here, get a pen - I'll give it to you, in case any of you aspire to a career in "moral philosophy." There are only four little steps to follow:

1. Come up with a title mixing academic and populist diction, like "On Bullshit." The rubes love a cheap oxymoron. They'll giggle and blush: "Oooo, Professor Frankfurt said 'bullshit'!"

2. Then mention other professors, sound like you know what you're talking about. You don't actually have to know anything about your field. In fact it's probably better if you don't. For example, Frankfurt writes 80,000 words on the notion of truth and sincerity in language without so much mentioning Nietzsche's name. Don't worry; your audience is so pig-ignorant they won't even notice.

3. Amplify, amplify, amplify! Pad your little sermon as if it were an offensive lineman with gout, till your little sermon can fill a book. There's a whole genre of rhetoric, Copia, devoted to ways of turning short utterances into grand, meandering sermons. Frankfurt combines two closely related, equally disreputable branches of rhetoric: the ars predicandi, the art of preaching, and de copia. For a man who explicitly excludes rhetorical considerations from his inquiry early on, he has a strange familiarity with the art's most seedy sub-genres.

4. End the book with an attack on that old familiar straw man, Moral Relativism. This line of attack is so familiar to America's militant hicks that they won't even ask for evidence. So Frankfurt is able to discuss "the contemporary proliferation of bullshit" without bothering to prove that the level of bullshit is in fact greater than it was in the past. He actually admits that his historical argument about language cannot be proven: "Of course, it is impossible to be sure that there is relatively more of it now than at other times."

That's all he says. It amounts to saying, "I have no idea whether my argument has any basis at all, but never mind, let's continue with it." It's typical of Anglo-American philosophy to discuss "the past" without ever mentioning what past you mean. When Frankfurt makes this contrast between present and past, what past is he using?

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7690&IBLOCK_ID=35
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Post by: LMNO on October 16, 2008, 02:46:18 pm
Wow.

Uh, ok, I'm now reading Carpe Jugulum by Terry Pratchett.
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Post by: Cain on October 16, 2008, 02:47:54 pm
 :lulz:
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 16, 2008, 05:48:24 pm
I am reading "My Custom Van" by some comedian whose last name is Black.
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Post by: Cain on October 19, 2008, 12:39:21 pm
Reading the second Fire and Ice novel by George R R Martin now.

Actually, you know who I really like in these books?  Sandor Clegane, the King's 'Hound'.  Sure he's a bastard and a murderer, but he doesn't pretend he's anything else.  His hatred of knights is refreshing, compared to every other idiot who seems to think a Knight will save them, or even be chivalrous.  Plus he despises his brother, which puts a lot of points in the plus column, and I suspect he's no fan of Joeffry either.  And he seems oddly protective of Sansa, though I doubt that will last.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2008, 04:49:45 pm
I am reading "The Ghost in Love" by some guy. It's really good! I am surprised, as I did not expect it to actually be GOOD.
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Post by: Xirian on October 20, 2008, 01:43:08 am
I am reading "D-Day with the Screaming Eagles" by George Koskimaki and after that I'll be reading the second of the trilogy, "Hell's Highway: A Chronicle of the 101st Airborne in the Holland Campaign, September-November 1944" and then the third book "The Battered Bastards of Bastogne: The 101st Airborne and the Battle of the Bulge, December 19,1944-January 17,1945".  I've read the third one already, but I want to read it again.  I want to understand positions and follow along with maps, so I can have a better understanding of their actions.
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Post by: Mangrove on October 20, 2008, 09:30:41 pm
Currently reading: Triumph Of The Moon - a history of modern pagan witchcraft by Ronald Hutton

This book is so good, I almost want to pee myself. Inspite of the small type face and monolithic paragraphs, Hutton's writing is intelligent & clear. The author systematically teases out the various historical & cultural strands that lead to the foundations of the modern pagan movement over the course of 200 years.

Sacred cow body count: very high.

This book covers so many areas that it's hard to encapsulate, but the general thrust is this:

That the neo-pagan movement is not a reconstruction of 'old ways' so much as a reconstruction of discredited Victorian era scholarship.




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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 20, 2008, 09:36:19 pm
Currently reading: Triumph Of The Moon - a history of modern pagan witchcraft by Ronald Hutton

This book is so good, I almost want to pee myself. Inspite of the small type face and monolithic paragraphs, Hutton's writing is intelligent & clear. The author systematically teases out the various historical & cultural strands that lead to the foundations of the modern pagan movement over the course of 200 years.

Sacred cow body count: very high.

This book covers so many areas that it's hard to encapsulate, but the general thrust is this:

That the neo-pagan movement is not a reconstruction of 'old ways' so much as a reconstruction of discredited Victorian era scholarship.


I've read books like that! :lol:

And that's a very interesting view of neo-paganism. I'd love to hear a few tidbits, if you're interested in offering them.
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Post by: Mangrove on October 20, 2008, 10:21:23 pm
Cainad,

My head is buzzing with this book right now, but some stuff that leaps off the top of my head is:

a) That the word 'pagan' probably doesn't have anything to do with 'country dwellers'. More modern etymology suggests that it refers to a civillian that is, someone who is not a member of Holy Roman Emperors army. Another suggestion is that of the form of administration known as a 'pagus'.

b) That William Wordswith, while more known for his 'daffodils' schtick actually wrote poems about violent, bloody, 'pagan' sacrifices which was oddly enough, something of a literary trend in his day.

c) The triple goddess view of antquity is a Victorian/Edwardian fantasy.

d) Same goes for much of what was written about Pan.

e) Dennis Wheatley wrote 'the Devil Rides Out' after recieving a complimentary copy of 'Magick' from Aleister Crowley.

etc etc. Great book. Even better if you want to troll pagan sites...
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Post by: Xirian on October 20, 2008, 10:29:49 pm
Currently reading: Triumph Of The Moon - a history of modern pagan witchcraft by Ronald Hutton

I started reading that book, but since I'm a slow reader, I had to take it back to the library unfinished.  However, I read something about medieval witchcraft that was really interesting.  Any way, about Ronald Hutton, I should probably buy that book and read it fully.  There are many issues regarding witchcraft and paganism that I think his book will address for me.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 21, 2008, 01:48:05 am
Mang,

That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

May need to get myself a copy if I ever feel like jumping in at MysticWicks.
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Post by: Jenne on October 21, 2008, 03:15:28 am
Mang,

That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

May need to get myself a copy if I ever feel like jumping in at MysticWicks.

Careful, that place will give you a case of internet herpes.
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Post by: Mangrove on October 21, 2008, 04:25:33 am
Mang,

That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

May need to get myself a copy if I ever feel like jumping in at MysticWicks.

Careful, that place will give you a case of internet herpes.

Reading Hutton is like one gigantic, super thick, neo pagan internet condom.
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Post by: Cain on October 21, 2008, 12:43:17 pm
That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

Neither do most neo-pagans.
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Post by: Xirian on October 21, 2008, 12:46:34 pm
Mang,

That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

May need to get myself a copy if I ever feel like jumping in at MysticWicks.

Careful, that place will give you a case of internet herpes.

So that's what's wrong with me. :facepalm:

If you do go there, pray that you get banned. :aww:
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Post by: Xirian on October 21, 2008, 12:48:51 pm
That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

Neither do most neo-pagans.

 :lulz:
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Post by: LMNO on October 21, 2008, 01:00:45 pm
That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

Neither do most neo-pagans.

:potd:
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Post by: Cain on October 21, 2008, 01:05:53 pm
:thanks:
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Post by: Cramulus on October 22, 2008, 03:22:05 pm
From "Foop!" (a novel)
by Chris Genoa


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2963690297_11e9a96bcd_b_d.jpg)


hilarious book. Here's the description from the back cover.

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There are strange happenings going on at Dactyl, Inc., the world's first and only time travel tourism company. So strange that Joe, a tour guide, is promoted to the new position of Chief of Probes. His first probe: find out who's been traveling back in time and torturing his boss in rather disturbing ways.
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Post by: Eve on October 22, 2008, 03:36:39 pm
:mittens: I'm delighted that you found this book.
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Post by: Xirian on October 22, 2008, 05:12:09 pm
Chief of Probes.  That's a great title.
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Post by: Jenne on October 23, 2008, 12:35:21 am
Mang,

That sounds really neat. I never would have thought of neo-paganism as something that someone would take the time to research.

May need to get myself a copy if I ever feel like jumping in at MysticWicks.

Careful, that place will give you a case of internet herpes.

So that's what's wrong with me. :facepalm:

If you do go there, pray that you get banned. :aww:
:lulz: 

Yeah.
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Post by: Jenne on October 23, 2008, 12:36:14 am
From "Foop!" (a novel)
by Chris Genoa


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2963690297_11e9a96bcd_b_d.jpg)


hilarious book. Here's the description from the back cover.

Quote
There are strange happenings going on at Dactyl, Inc., the world's first and only time travel tourism company. So strange that Joe, a tour guide, is promoted to the new position of Chief of Probes. His first probe: find out who's been traveling back in time and torturing his boss in rather disturbing ways.

Ooh, sounds intriguing.  Never heard of it.
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Post by: Cain on October 23, 2008, 07:05:38 pm
After Authority: War, Peace and Global Politics in the 21st Century, by Ronnie D. Lipschutz.
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Post by: Raphaella on October 24, 2008, 01:04:06 am
Reading: Sarah Palin A New Kind of Leader   :x  Last time I buy books from the discount rack at the supermarket.
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Post by: Eve on October 24, 2008, 07:29:23 am
cunt, by Inga Muscio
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Post by: Raphaella on October 28, 2008, 04:25:57 am
I found this today at the thrift store: The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds. It's a play by Paul Zindel, pretty cool so far.
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Post by: Cain on October 28, 2008, 09:48:25 am
I'm reading The Re-emergence of Emergence: The Emergent Hypothesis from Science to Religion, edited by Phillip Clayton and Paul Davies
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Post by: Manta Obscura on October 28, 2008, 12:49:54 pm
I'm about 90 pages into "World War Z" by Max Brooks, the bloke that did the zombie guide. So far its entertaining, but hardly an intellectual masterpiece.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on October 28, 2008, 03:11:24 pm
I'm reading The Re-emergence of Emergence: The Emergent Hypothesis from Science to Religion, edited by Phillip Clayton and Paul Davies
Uh, would this happen to be an e-book or a paper book?
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Post by: Cain on October 28, 2008, 03:27:37 pm
I'm reading The Re-emergence of Emergence: The Emergent Hypothesis from Science to Religion, edited by Phillip Clayton and Paul Davies
Uh, would this happen to be an e-book or a paper book?

E-book

http://mihd.net/xkozme
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Post by: Jenne on October 28, 2008, 03:32:17 pm
A Lion Among Men, the new sequel to the Wicked series.  I needs me something light-ISH.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on October 28, 2008, 03:58:38 pm
I'm reading The Re-emergence of Emergence: The Emergent Hypothesis from Science to Religion, edited by Phillip Clayton and Paul Davies
Uh, would this happen to be an e-book or a paper book?

E-book

http://mihd.net/xkozme
SWOTE!  Grassy-ass.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on November 07, 2008, 07:53:57 am
I'm reading Anathem by Neil Stephenson.  I'd say it's not as entertaining as his other books, but I'm only 100 pages in and he usually takes a while to pick up. 

The setting is like a mix between a zen school, a catholic church, and an ancient greek philosophers' club.  I keep getting A Canticle For Leibowitz vibes off it for no real reason.
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Post by: Cain on November 07, 2008, 12:34:41 pm
I have heard Anathem starts off quite slow, and makes up for it later (so like you say, comparable with his other books, though apparently you really have to stick with this one).

I'm finishing off After Authority, which is taking forever.  At turns it is interesting and both mind-numbingly boring in the way only an IR academic could be.  After that, I intend to read Breeding Bin Laden's by Zachary Shore.
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Post by: Professor Mu-Chao on November 10, 2008, 12:22:17 am
Good to know about Anathem, going to tackle that next. Currently reading Clive James' Cultural Amnesia which is very engaging (but very large).
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Post by: Reeducation on November 10, 2008, 07:38:55 am
I'm reading Schrödinger's Cat trilogy.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on November 10, 2008, 01:16:23 pm
Good to know about Anathem, going to tackle that next. Currently reading Clive James' Cultural Amnesia which is very engaging (but very large).

I'm a lot farther now and it definitely picked up.  I've marked out some passages I'm going to quote here, when it's not late as fuck.
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Post by: Payne on November 10, 2008, 02:37:40 pm
Finally picked up a copy of The Black Swan, in dead-tree format.

So much more readable.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 10, 2008, 05:27:55 pm
I think I'm reading a terry Pratchett book, but I can't remember which one.
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Post by: LMNO on November 10, 2008, 05:53:12 pm
No reading.  There is only writing.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 10, 2008, 06:35:57 pm
I missed a day, and said fuck it.
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Post by: LMNO on November 10, 2008, 07:11:16 pm
Heh.  I missed a few.  My daily required totals went from 1600 words a day to 2000.

But Mrs LMNO is actually encouraging me, so i persevere.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on November 10, 2008, 08:41:14 pm
Here are some interesting bits from Anathem.

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Sline: (1) In Fluccish of the late Praxic Age and early Reconstitution, a slang word formed by the truncation of baseline, which is a Praxic commercial bullshytt term.  It appears to be a noun that turned into an adjective meaning "common" or "widely shared".  (2) A noun denoting an extramurous person with no special education, skills, aspirations, or hope of acquiring same.  (3) Derogatory term for stupid or uncouth person, esp. one who takes pride in those very qualities.  Note: this sense is deprecated because it implies that a sline is a sline because of inherent personal shortcomings or perverse choices; sense (2) is preferred because it does not convey any such implication.
-The Dictionary, 4th Edition, A.R. 3000.

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Protas, the greatest fid of Thelenes, had climbed to the top of a mountain near Ethras and looked down upon the plain that nourished the city-state and observed the shadows of the clouds, and compared their shapes.  He had had his famous upsight that while the shapes of the shadows endeniably answered to those of the clouds, the latter were infinitely more complex and more perfectly realized than the former, which were distorted not only by the loss of spatial dimensions but also by being projected onto terrain that was of irregular shape.  Hiking back down, he had extended his upsight by noting that the mountain seemed to have a different shape every time he turned around to look back at it, even though he knew it had but one absolute form and that these seeming changes were mere figments of his shifting points of view.  From there he had moved on to his greatest upsight of all, which was that these two observations--the one concerning the clouds, the other concerning the mountain--were themselves both shadows cast into his mind by the same greater, unifying idea.  Returning to the Periklyne he had proclaimed his doctrine that all the things we thought we knew were shadows of more perfect things in a higher world.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on November 10, 2008, 08:42:56 pm
I think it's so slow to start because you have to learn about 20 new words before things start making sense.  Fortunately there is a glossary in the back.  Also a large chunk of mathy stuff that I'm not interested in.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 11, 2008, 11:02:36 pm
"Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution" by Karl W. Giberson.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on November 12, 2008, 03:23:49 pm
"Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution" by Karl W. Giberson.

From the first and only page:

"Don't be a dumbass who believes that all of the land-bound animals in the world were within walking distance of a crazy desert-dwelling boat-builder. The End."
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 12, 2008, 05:40:04 pm
"Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution" by Karl W. Giberson.

From the first and only page:

"Don't be a dumbass who believes that all of the land-bound animals in the world were within walking distance of a crazy desert-dwelling boat-builder. The End."
Yeah, that's the basic idea but he fleshes it out quite a bit.  The intro section where he talks about going from a hardcore Young Earth Creationists in high school to a Theistic Evolutionist after just 2 years of college was really interesting.  It's really strange having your entire worldview tossed on its head in such a short time.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on November 13, 2008, 06:38:06 pm
Just finished:
   Black Sun Rising-C.S. Friedman
   The Black Company-Glen Cook

Starting back up on Through The Looking Glass (forgot who does it...most likely Ringo). I'm trying to muscle through it for a friend who wants me to read it. ech
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Post by: Cain on November 14, 2008, 12:56:30 pm
George RR Martin - A Storm of Swords (third Fire and Ice novel.  Requires more unexpected deaths).
The Routledge Companion to Phenomenology and Existentialism
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Post by: Eve on November 17, 2008, 08:44:09 pm
 :lol: Twilight. Because I can get it free from work, and because I apparently hate myself a lot. Looks as though I'll be done with it before dinner.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 17, 2008, 09:55:49 pm
The World Without Us by Alan Weisman.

What happens if all humans suddenly disappeared off the planet but left everything else intact? Read to find out!
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 17, 2008, 09:58:17 pm
:lol: Twilight. Because I can get it free from work, and because I apparently hate myself a lot. Looks as though I'll be done with it before dinner.
The Wife went through the entire series in a little over a week. She loved it, but that wasn't too surprising.  Her reading habits are like that of a teenage girl.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on November 17, 2008, 10:57:04 pm
George RR Martin - A Storm of Swords (third Fire and Ice novel.  Requires more unexpected deaths).
The Routledge Companion to Phenomenology and Existentialism

I started the first George RR Martin book and I tossed by page 100, there was already too much incest, pedophilia, and rape for me to handle.  No wonder nerds like it so much.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 18, 2008, 03:24:59 am
George RR Martin - A Storm of Swords (third Fire and Ice novel.  Requires more unexpected deaths).
The Routledge Companion to Phenomenology and Existentialism

I started the first George RR Martin book and I tossed by page 100, there was already too much incest, pedophilia, and rape for me to handle.  No wonder nerds like it so much.

 :lulz:
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Post by: shadowfurry23 on November 26, 2008, 09:12:18 pm
Myths to Live By - Joseph Campbell

 I've had the damn thing laying around for years, finally getting around to reading it.  Neat stuff.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 26, 2008, 10:43:25 pm
I'm still reading Illuminatus!, Stiff, The Great Mortality, Pyramids, Winesburg Ohio, Fragile things, Beowulf, and John Dies at the End.
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Post by: The Invisible Man on November 27, 2008, 08:03:40 pm
Right now I am reading 'At Swim Two Birds' and 'the Psychopath's Bible'.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 27, 2008, 10:29:13 pm
World War Z by Max Brooks which I received as an early Xmas present.  Best fiction book I've read in a long time.
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Post by: Cain on November 28, 2008, 08:31:35 pm
Cultural Populism - Jim McGuigan
Deconstruction in Theory and Practice
The Routledge Companion to Critical Theory
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Post by: Bu☆ns on November 29, 2008, 03:19:20 am
i finally started illuminatus ... ON AUDIO!! yeah..
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Post by: Mangrove on November 30, 2008, 11:04:09 pm
In the middle of 'Abramelin' (new translation of ye olde 14th century German grimoire)
Just started 'Reclaiming History' by Bugliosi.
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Post by: VIDEODROME on December 01, 2008, 04:01:11 am
Daywatch by Sergio Lukyanenko
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Post by: Requia ☣ on December 01, 2008, 05:45:17 am
George RR Martin - A Storm of Swords (third Fire and Ice novel.  Requires more unexpected deaths).
The Routledge Companion to Phenomenology and Existentialism

I started the first George RR Martin book and I tossed by page 100, there was already too much incest, pedophilia, and rape for me to handle.  No wonder nerds like it so much.

Hmm, I don't remember any pedos till the second book...
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on December 01, 2008, 06:27:33 am
George RR Martin - A Storm of Swords (third Fire and Ice novel.  Requires more unexpected deaths).
The Routledge Companion to Phenomenology and Existentialism

I started the first George RR Martin book and I tossed by page 100, there was already too much incest, pedophilia, and rape for me to handle.  No wonder nerds like it so much.

Hmm, I don't remember any pedos till the second book...

some 13 year old girl gets married to some dude and on their wedding night she gets all wet on his dick (cause yeah that's real believable, of course, any girl who is petrified the entire day is naturally going to suddenly become warm and willing after getting macked on for a few minutes)
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on December 01, 2008, 06:29:47 am
By the way, I'm reading Les Liaisons Dangereuses (Choderlos de Laclos) in the original french, which also contains pedophilia, but at least that 15 year old chick doesn't enjoy getting raped.


for fuck's sake.
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Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2008, 06:53:12 pm
I prefer my rapes be entirely consensual.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 01, 2008, 06:55:57 pm
World War Z by Max Brooks which I received as an early Xmas present.  Best fiction book I've read in a long time.

I just finished that, Iason. It's really, really good.

We'll have to nerd out about zombies, lobos and the Shield Society when you get done.
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Post by: Cain on December 02, 2008, 11:41:37 am
Dark Medecine: rationalizing unethical medical research.

This is fascinating.  I'm familiar with Unit 731 and the Nazi experiments but this is a book about how doctors in particular supported genocide programs, eugenics and medical torture.  Most interestingly, many were far from cranks and sadists and were willing to turn a blind eye to the methods of procurement in order to get their hands on exotic tissues - such as metally damaged children's brains in large numbers.  There is a good chapter which suggests bioterrorism was used by US forces in the Korean War as well.

At the end it also raises the sinister possibility of modern eugenics programs being launched, and where 'Baconian' scientists (in the sense of scientists who believe the rule of sciece should be the bedrock of social organization) could lead.

And before anyone jumps in, the book was written and contributed to by numerous scientists, so its not one of those crank Christian/Scientologist "zomg the psychiatrists are fascists" type books.  It just raises....disturbing possibilities.  Especially in conjunction with the New Atheist crowd, some of whom may be receptive to such a message of enlightened scientific rule.
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Post by: Richter on December 03, 2008, 04:42:49 pm
The Epic of Gilgamesh
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 03, 2008, 04:56:41 pm
The Epic of Gilgamesh

Cool. What translation are you reading, Richter?
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Post by: Richter on December 03, 2008, 05:49:32 pm
The Stephen Mitchell.  Finished it last night, and now I'm chewing through the notes and commentary.

Today's office read is various essays by the Dalai Lama.
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Post by: Reeducation on December 04, 2008, 06:07:31 am
Guards! Guards! by Terry Pratchett.
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Post by: Cain on December 04, 2008, 01:27:58 pm
Foucault, Freedom and Sovereignty by Sergei Prozorov (very good, must discuss this with you all later)
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer
Alexander the Great: In his world by Carol G Thomas
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 04, 2008, 01:48:41 pm
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer

I read a chunk of that for my final Bachelor's thesis project. It's really good information, but a hell of a lot of it. The sections on the war crimes/crimes against humanity (and the tribunals against them) of Nazi scientists are especially interesting.

I'm curious, are you reading all three of those books at once for some type of writing project in which you connect them? It would be interesting to see the connections between Foucault, Alexander and the Third Reich.
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Post by: Cain on December 04, 2008, 01:54:03 pm
I'm actually just reading for pleasure, although noting the connections could be interesting.

Shirer seems very interesting, and full of information, but I hear elements of his analysis (especially the idea that German history predestined the country with a totalitarian, anti-semitic government) are somewhat flawed, to say the least.  Still, he has a lot of first hand resources and documents to call upon, which more than makes up for any mistakes in his reasoning.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 04, 2008, 02:13:54 pm
I'm actually just reading for pleasure, although noting the connections could be interesting.

Shirer seems very interesting, and full of information, but I hear elements of his analysis (especially the idea that German history predestined the country with a totalitarian, anti-semitic government) are somewhat flawed, to say the least.  Still, he has a lot of first hand resources and documents to call upon, which more than makes up for any mistakes in his reasoning.

Wow. I applaud your dedication, especially in reading just for pleasure. When I read just for pleasure, I tend to gravitate towards a lot of Cro-Magnon level lit although, I'll admit, I'm running out of excuses to do so now, what with all the e-book links that have been posted on here recently. At the very least I should pick up one of those David Icke books you mentioned in another thread, just for the lulz.

I had noticed with Shirer (and other intellectuals who do case studies of Reich III) that he subscribes to the "history is destiny" mentality. That seems to be the case with a lot of critics of various totalitarian, imperial or fascist regimes, seemingly moreso than any other type of state government. I cringe to think of all the half-baked treatises I had to read in my Philosophy and History Interplay classes which tried to connect the ravings of Caligula with the British imperial expansion.  :vom:

Anyway, you're right, at least Shirer includes some good sources and references, which is what the book is best for, IMO. Well that and the look of admiration/amorousness that it elicits from opposite-gendered History/Philosophy majors if they see you reading it in a university library. Given the right audience, Shirer and the Third Reich can be an excellent conversation starter or date motivator.
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Post by: Cain on December 04, 2008, 02:35:22 pm
Well, I've read pretty much every Terry Pratchett, Robert Ludlum, JRR Tolkein, Robert Rankin etc book in existence, so really I have little choice in the matter!  Plus, I was, before I fell into politics, a history student, and always enjoyed history.  I have books on the Mongols, the Roman Empire, Renaissance Italy...I also studied Nazi Germany for two years, and consider it an area of particular expertise.  For some reason, probably the reason that teachers are smarter than politicians, the history of Nazi Germany is something that must be taught at schools here, and I was lucky enough to do it at A Level, where you actually get a taste of advanced historical methods.  In the aftermath of WWII, there was a particular paranoia that it "could happen here", and so they place a lot of emphasis on the rise of Hitler and the systems of control in Germany at the time.

There is a far easier link between British and Roman imperialism.  British upper class students studied Classical Literature.  I mean, if Homer isn't glorifying aggressive warfare, then no-one is.  And Tacitus, read by the wrong sort of personality (ie; the sort of one caused by incessant inbreeding and unjustied feelings of entitlement), well...

It seems to be a very good overview, as it were.  I'd really read more by Mason or Overy for deep analysis, but as to relating the events of what happened, I think few can be better than a journalist with his sort of access and first hand experience.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 04, 2008, 03:11:08 pm
Well, I've read pretty much every Terry Pratchett, Robert Ludlum, JRR Tolkein, Robert Rankin etc book in existence, so really I have little choice in the matter!  Plus, I was, before I fell into politics, a history student, and always enjoyed history.  I have books on the Mongols, the Roman Empire, Renaissance Italy...I also studied Nazi Germany for two years, and consider it an area of particular expertise.  For some reason, probably the reason that teachers are smarter than politicians, the history of Nazi Germany is something that must be taught at schools here, and I was lucky enough to do it at A Level, where you actually get a taste of advanced historical methods.  In the aftermath of WWII, there was a particular paranoia that it "could happen here", and so they place a lot of emphasis on the rise of Hitler and the systems of control in Germany at the time.

There is a far easier link between British and Roman imperialism.  British upper class students studied Classical Literature.  I mean, if Homer isn't glorifying aggressive warfare, then no-one is.  And Tacitus, read by the wrong sort of personality (ie; the sort of one caused by incessant inbreeding and unjustied feelings of entitlement), well...

It seems to be a very good overview, as it were.  I'd really read more by Mason or Overy for deep analysis, but as to relating the events of what happened, I think few can be better than a journalist with his sort of access and first hand experience.

I had guessed from some of your posts that you were probably a history student at one time or another. Tangentially, it's interesting seeing the differences in educational background shape one's writing style.

We had a lot - and by a lot, I mean a shit ton - of exposure to Nazi Germany historical studies over here, too, except I think we whitewash the subject way too much (an unfortunate, almost criminal, aspect of American historical education). We got the whole "Rah rah rah, U.S. rocks, Nazis were all evil, every one of them!" message, or at least I did. Historical studies from 1776 through the Reagan administration are complete crap over here until you get to the collegiate level.

Example: the connections between Rome and British Imperialism. The sources that I was referring to, which I think were from one of the ancillary sources cited in Jackson J. Spielvogel's text on Nazi Germany, didn't have the intellectual fortitude to mention the impact of historical and philosophical literature on the British mindset. Instead, they tried to make wide-reaching, Rube Goldberg (sp?) domino-effect claims that Caligula/Nero/Diocletian's Policy X caused this, which caused that, which led to this, which led to that, ad infinitum until, voila! Direct causation. I sure as hell wish I could remember some of those causation-theory authors, if only to warn people away from them. I almost failed a few of my classes because I refused to read/believe/subscribe to the idea that vast historical milestones resulted from a single, butterfly-effect source, rather than being the coalescence of a variety of factors.

Wow . . . I got off on a bit of a rant there. Sorry about that.

Anywho, so as not to hijack or derail the conversation:

I'm now re-reading "Arcana Mundi" by an author whose name I can't recall at the moment. It's a really cool book that deals with how the Greeks and Romans practiced various aspects of magic/occultism, astrology, demonology, and alchemy.
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Post by: Cramulus on December 04, 2008, 03:42:47 pm
I'm reading "The Minotaur Takes a Cigarette Break"

(http://146.74.224.231/archives/minotaur.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Minotaur-Takes-Cigarette-Break-Novel/dp/0312308922

It's fiction about the minotaur (the same one from greek legend, 5000 years later) living in the American South, working as a chef at a resteraunt. He's really lonely. It's a kind of sad book, but you end up really rooting for this pityable hulk.

The Minotaur is my favorite mythological character, and I've always enjoyed the juxtaposition of realism and the absurd. I am really enjoying this book.
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Post by: Mangrove on December 04, 2008, 08:34:51 pm
Cram,

I can't remember the exact title of this book....it was 'the bear came over the mountain' or 'the bear came down from the mountain' (something like that). It was about a bear that could play the saxophone really well and left the wilds to move into the city and make it as a professional jazz player. I never read it but it sounds not unlike the Minotaur book.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 05, 2008, 03:15:58 pm
I added "Memory" by Linda Nagata to my pile of books.

I will never finish any of them.
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Post by: Cain on December 07, 2008, 05:48:38 pm
Blundering to Glory : Napoleon's Military Campaigns by Owen Connelly.

Probably the most obvious display of sour grapes ever.  Even in the introduction he acknowledges Napoleon was a military genius without equal at the time, which kind of undermines the whole thesis of the book,namely that Napoleon owed a lot more to luck and the incompetence of his enemies than anything else. 
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Post by: Cain on December 11, 2008, 05:53:03 pm
Comandante Che: Guerrilla Soldier, Commander and Strategist 1956-1967 -

Basically a book about Che Guevara's contributions to guerrilla theory and practice.  Quite good.

Crepuscular Dawn by Paul Virilio and Sylvere Lotringer.  A book about warfare, architecture and time, mainly by the noted architect Paul Virilio.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on December 12, 2008, 09:23:44 pm
Well I gave up on Into The Looking Glass by Ringo a while back, due to it being a horrible read. I'm finding that I'm not a huge Ringo fan.

I finally got to finish the Transmet books (THANK YOU, ROGER! They were amazing!)

aaaannd now I'm continuing with the Black Company series (Glen Cook), this one being Shadows Linger. It was a bit harder to get into than the first. Whereas the first has the story presented from Croaker(the annalist/main character), the second switches off in a way I just don't find appealing....I understand it's to tie in/keep you informed about certain characters that broke off into a side-plot, but the manner in which they do it is a little off to me. I suppose we'll see. I loved the first one so much that I'll sure as hell give it a shot. At least it's not unbearable, like Ringo.
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Post by: Cain on December 15, 2008, 06:44:28 pm
The Mind of the Terrorist - Jerrold Post

Started off well, with quite a bit of new information I did not know, but ended up doing the weary trail of the history of XYZ terrorist groups (well, a bit more than that.  I'll give him this much, with the PLO, ETA, the IRA, PKK, Tamil Tigers, Red Brigades, Red Army Faction, Shining Path, FARC, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda and lesser well known religious terrorists all getting a chapter, he is comprehensive).  Could have been better by focusing on the statements of such organizations, their structure, personalities and group psychology.  History is fun and all, but if you're going to call your book what you called it, well...

Also, David Liss - The Whiskey Rebels

Blurb time.  "Ethan Saunders, once among General Washington's most valued spies, now lives in disgrace, haunting the taverns of Philadelphia. An accusation of treason has long since cost him his reputation and his beloved fiance, Cynthia Pearson, but at his most desperate moment he is recruited for an unlikely task - finding Cynthia's missing husband. To help her, Saunders must serve his old enemy, Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton, who is engaged in a bitter power struggle with political rival Thomas Jefferson over the fragile young nation's first real financial institution: the Bank of the United States.

Meanwhile, Joan Maycott is a young woman married to another Revolutionary War veteran. With the new states unable to support their ex-soldiers, the Maycotts make a desperate gamble: trade the chance of future payment for the hope of a better life on the western Pennsylvania frontier. There, amid hardship and deprivation, they find unlikely friendship and a chance for prosperity with a new method of distilling whiskey. But on an isolated frontier, whiskey is more than a drink; it is currency and power, and the Maycotts' success attracts the brutal attention of men in Hamilton's orbit, men who threaten to destroy all Joan holds dear."
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 15, 2008, 06:46:56 pm
The Geographical Dimensions of Terrorism

I have no idea why I picked this out, and it's not exactly riveting, but I'm slowly plowing through it anyway.
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Post by: Cain on December 15, 2008, 06:50:52 pm
I'm pretty sure it picks up as you go along, IIRC.  Izzat an e-book?
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Post by: VIDEODROME on December 15, 2008, 07:23:08 pm
Weaveworld by Clive Barker
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 15, 2008, 07:33:40 pm
I'm pretty sure it picks up as you go along, IIRC.  Izzat an e-book?

Sadly, not. Paper library copy.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on December 15, 2008, 09:39:32 pm
City of Glass by Paul Auster.

I'm a little...suspicious of it so far.  It's a bit excessively artsy and profane.
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Post by: Cain on December 15, 2008, 09:43:06 pm
I'm pretty sure it picks up as you go along, IIRC.  Izzat an e-book?

Sadly, not. Paper library copy.

Ah well.
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Post by: Eve on December 16, 2008, 01:29:25 am
An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.

Only about 20 pages in, but seems to be an interesting account of a psychiatrist's history with bipolar patients while 'battling' the disorder herself.
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Post by: Cain on December 16, 2008, 11:56:14 am
On Killing by David Grossman.

Some of you might have heard of this, as it was a rather controversial book.  Grossman's thesis is that it used to be very hard to actually get soldiers to kill in combat, for a number of psychological and evolutionary reasons.  He goes through shooting rates and death tallies in certain conflicts to drive home the point that in reality, very few soldiers were capable, in combat, of just upping and shooting the enemy.  He then goes on a much longer tangent as to the group psychology which may help overcome such inhibitions, and I think the upcoming part of the book is that on Pavlovian conditioning and overcoming the desire not to kill the enemy.  Because, as he points out himself, while the shooting percentages were shockingly low in WWII (~40%), by the time of the Korean war that was up to 55% and by Vietnam it was over 75%.

Grossman also has a thing about media and video violence essentially breaking down the inhibitions to killing.  Its not exactly the zomg vidya gaems make people violent!!12! routine, its (blessedly) somewhat more complex and subtle than that.  He thinks the media can transmit what it essentially a violence immunency disease which makes people "vulnerable to violence-enabling factors, such as poverty, discrimination, drug addiction (which can provide powerful motives for crime in order to fulfill real or perceived needs), or guns and gangs (which can provide the means and "support structure" to commit violent acts)."

But I haven't got to that part so far.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on December 16, 2008, 08:17:33 pm
An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.

Only about 20 pages in, but seems to be an interesting account of a psychiatrist's history with bipolar patients while 'battling' the disorder herself.
Sounds different...I may have to look into that one.
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Post by: Brotep on December 17, 2008, 01:35:26 am
Rereading the beginning of Journey to the West, a long Chinese folktale comprised of smaller folktales that was gathered together centuries ago.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 17, 2008, 01:50:44 pm
Rereading the beginning of Journey to the West, a long Chinese folktale comprised of smaller folktales that was gathered together centuries ago.

Ah, I love that story. Never been able to find a great English translation, though.
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Post by: Brotep on December 17, 2008, 04:22:17 pm
Not speaking Chinese, I cannot attest to the quality of my copy's translation.

However, I can tell you I get a good sense of what's going on, and that the translator is one W.J.F. Jenner.

I can also tell you that Journey to the West inspired the original Dragonball cartoon.   :lulz:
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Post by: Manta Obscura on December 17, 2008, 05:01:13 pm
Not speaking Chinese, I cannot attest to the quality of my copy's translation.

However, I can tell you I get a good sense of what's going on, and that the translator is one W.J.F. Jenner.

I can also tell you that Journey to the West inspired the original Dragonball cartoon.   :lulz:

Ah, thanks, I'll have to check out that translator. I had to read some sections of it a long while back in Spanish, loved it, and then made the mistake of picking it up in English by some translator who had the intellectual equivalent of Tourette's, peppering the manuscript with context-less phrases.

The monk dude from J2tW also appears in some television show called "Read or Die," btw.

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Post by: Brotep on December 17, 2008, 10:14:02 pm
Ah, thanks, I'll have to check out that translator. I had to read some sections of it a long while back in Spanish, loved it, and then made the mistake of picking it up in English by some translator who had the intellectual equivalent of Tourette's, peppering the manuscript with context-less phrases.
Haha, how'd you end up reading it in Spanish?

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The monk dude from J2tW also appears in some television show called "Read or Die," btw.
Never seen it, but that's a great name for a TV show.


Oh, I'm also reading (read: started half a year ago and haven't lately picked up) Haruki Murakami's Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on December 19, 2008, 03:47:20 pm
Finished Shadows Linger (surprisingly..it got a lot better... )

and onto The White Rose, continuing the Black Company series by Glen Cool....I probably won't be getting very far into this any time soon, seeing as I'm moving and I've got shit to do....bah.
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Post by: Kai on December 19, 2008, 04:30:48 pm
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The monk dude from J2tW also appears in some television show called "Read or Die," btw.
Never seen it, but that's a great name for a TV show.

You'd think that, but the series is actually HORRIBLE. The OVA is much better, but doesn't include a "monk dude".

Kai,

Wapanese.
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Post by: Cain on December 19, 2008, 08:19:28 pm
I finished The Whiskey Rebels, which was enjoyable.  The ending a little brief, maybe, but I suspect Liss is leaving an opening for Captain Ethan Saunders to return in a sequel of sorts, which could be good.
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Post by: ternechto on December 19, 2008, 09:42:44 pm
I'm looking for a good librivox recording. I was going to listen to Nietschze but most of them are in German. Tried listening to The Antichrist but I think it would take me a while to not be distracted by her high pitched voice.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 20, 2008, 01:29:45 am
Finished Shadows Linger (surprisingly..it got a lot better... )

and onto The White Rose, continuing the Black Company series by Glen Cool....I probably won't be getting very far into this any time soon, seeing as I'm moving and I've got shit to do....bah.

I really liked that series, but my dad told me that after the third book the series just kinda went lame. Still, they were fun books.
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Post by: LMNO on December 22, 2008, 03:35:27 pm
I'm Reading Neil Gaiman, "The Graveyard Book."

He's such a good writer, it makes me sick.
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Post by: Cain on December 22, 2008, 05:27:11 pm
The Political Philosophy of Michael Foucault.  Intriguing.  Also may help me rethink aspects of 5GW.
Masters of War: Classical Strategic Thought.  Interesting, but limited.  Mostly about Clausewitz and Sun Tzu.
No Tech Hacking: A Guide to Social Engineering, Dumpster Diving and Shoulder Surfing by Johnny Long.  Very useful, common sense ideas about security, hacking and data protection.
Anarchy for the Masses: The Disinfo Guide to The Invisibles.  Nice fluff reading to kick back with.
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Post by: Brotep on December 23, 2008, 04:12:02 am
No Tech Hacking: A Guide to Social Engineering, Dumpster Diving and Shoulder Surfing by Johnny Long.  Very useful, common sense ideas about security, hacking and data protection.

That sounds pretty cool.  Have you read Kevin Mitnick's Art of Deception?
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Post by: VIDEODROME on December 23, 2008, 06:57:04 am
No Tech Hacking: A Guide to Social Engineering, Dumpster Diving and Shoulder Surfing by Johnny Long.  Very useful, common sense ideas about security, hacking and data protection.

That sounds pretty cool.  Have you read Kevin Mitnick's Art of Deception?

Name sounds familiar.  Wasn't he one of the first Hackers to get in deep shit for computer crimes and later switched sides?
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Post by: Cain on December 23, 2008, 12:23:12 pm
No Tech Hacking: A Guide to Social Engineering, Dumpster Diving and Shoulder Surfing by Johnny Long.  Very useful, common sense ideas about security, hacking and data protection.

That sounds pretty cool.  Have you read Kevin Mitnick's Art of Deception?

Yeah.  He wrote an intro for this as well, so its pretty similar.

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Name sounds familiar.  Wasn't he one of the first Hackers to get in deep shit for computer crimes and later switched sides?

Pretty much.  He mostly relied on social engineering to get into various systems instead of technical expertise.
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Post by: Brotep on December 24, 2008, 12:26:28 am
Nice, what else you got in that library of yours (on this subject)?
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Post by: Cain on December 24, 2008, 01:20:24 pm
Social engineering generally or hacking?

On the latter, I have:

Disruptive Security Technologies with Mobile Code and Peer-to-Peer networks by R. R. Brooks.
Computer Security. Privacy and Politics by Ramesh Subramanian
Dangerous Google: Searching for Secrets by Johnny Long (again)
Hacker Culture by Douglas Thomas
Hackers: Heroes of the computer revolution by Stephen Levy
The Strategy Behind Breaking into and Securing Networks by Susan Young and David Aeital
Best of 2600: A Hacker's Odyssey by Emmanuel Goldstein
TCP/IP Network Administration - O'Reilly
Essential System Administration - O'Reilly
Network Study Guide, 4th Edition
Teach Yourself Shell Programming for UNIX in 24 Hours
Demystifying Penetration Testing
Cyberwarfare: An analysis of the means and motivations of selected nation states by the Institute for Security Technology Studies at Dartmouth College
The Art of Intrusion - John Wiley
and a ton of papers on SQL injections, botnets, worms, trojans etc

As for social engineering, I prefer

CIA Human Resource Exploitation Manual
Army Field Manual 34-52 (Intelligence and Interrogation)
The User's Manual for the Brain by Richard Bandler
Absolute Magic by Derren Brown
Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown
Pure Effect by Derren Brown
Billion Dollar Bunko: How to cheat at everything by Simon Lovell
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
Get Anyone to Do Anything by David J Lieberman
The Mystery Method by Mystery
Rules of The Game by Neil Strauss
The Book of Tells by Peter Collet
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Post by: Brotep on December 24, 2008, 04:09:12 pm
Derren Brown is great.  Not only is he really fun to read, he has some excellent insights.
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Post by: VIDEODROME on January 01, 2009, 10:04:58 pm
Finished Weaveworld.  I did enjoy the ironic end to Shadwell. 


Now I'm reading "Paycheck and other stories" by Philip K. Dick

Also reading a How to Write Stories of Horror, Fantasy and Science Fiction book. 
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Post by: Triple Zero on January 05, 2009, 07:34:37 pm
i read Art of Deception from a textfile, it was a pretty good read. techniques are a bit outdated, especially the technical ones (old phone switching hardware etc, new ones are just as leaky but differently so), for the social scams maybe i'm too skeptical that people nowadays wouldn't buy the "hello this is tech support we need your password" scam anymore, but on the other hand, people prove to be more stupid than i expect, always.
but the anecdotes are entertaining and compelling either way.

cain, if you think No Tech Hacking is good, could you set me up a copy? [or, you said something about england checking more on uploaders, so if that's trouble, that's okay, i could probably find it myself too right]
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Post by: Cain on January 06, 2009, 12:20:10 pm
I don't mind individual files, I'm just not going to do any collections for a while.

Also, I have one that someone else prepared earlier.

http://rapidshare.com/files/178566994/NoTechHack.rar

Also also, you may want to throw this on an RSS feed http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/security_info/hacking_hackers
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Post by: Cain on January 06, 2009, 12:39:46 pm
Also, while I'm posting here:

Paul Kennedy, The Rise and Fall of Great Powers
Dan Simmons, Hyperion
The Cambridge Companion to Hannah Arendt
Phillip Bobbit, Achilles Shield
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on January 07, 2009, 09:20:13 am
Dan Simmons, Hyperion

Have you read his latest two books?  They're...odd.
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Post by: Cain on January 07, 2009, 10:50:20 am
Dan Simmons, Hyperion

Have you read his latest two books?  They're...odd.

No, can't say I have.  I've heard mixed things about Simmons, mainly that when he is on form he kicks ass, but when he isn't he sucks donkey balls, and that he can switch between the two with disturbing speed.  Also this is the first book of his I have read, despite having meant to start reading him for 3 years now.

I have a lot of backed up fiction on my waiting list.
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Post by: Triple Zero on January 07, 2009, 12:25:46 pm
I don't mind individual files, I'm just not going to do any collections for a while.

Also, I have one that someone else prepared earlier.

http://rapidshare.com/files/178566994/NoTechHack.rar

Also also, you may want to throw this on an RSS feed http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/security_info/hacking_hackers

thanks!
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Post by: Brotep on January 08, 2009, 12:32:49 am
Nice.  Forgot about this thread...

CIA Human Resource Exploitation Manual
Army Field Manual 34-52 (Intelligence and Interrogation)
The User's Manual for the Brain by Richard Bandler
Absolute Magic by Derren Brown
Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown
Pure Effect by Derren Brown
Billion Dollar Bunko: How to cheat at everything by Simon Lovell
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
Get Anyone to Do Anything by David J Lieberman
The Mystery Method by Mystery
Rules of The Game by Neil Strauss
The Book of Tells by Peter Collet

Bandler, really?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Pariah on January 08, 2009, 04:20:30 am
Dress Your Family In Corduroy and Denim
The Chosen (for school)
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Post by: Cain on January 08, 2009, 11:05:17 am
Nice.  Forgot about this thread...

CIA Human Resource Exploitation Manual
Army Field Manual 34-52 (Intelligence and Interrogation)
The User's Manual for the Brain by Richard Bandler
Absolute Magic by Derren Brown
Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown
Pure Effect by Derren Brown
Billion Dollar Bunko: How to cheat at everything by Simon Lovell
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
Get Anyone to Do Anything by David J Lieberman
The Mystery Method by Mystery
Rules of The Game by Neil Strauss
The Book of Tells by Peter Collet

Bandler, really?

Alot of his stuff is pure bullshit, I will admit.  But the fact it is pure bullshit which has sold large suggests its worth studying, since anyone who can sell bullshit must have some ability at manipulation.  Also, NLP has had a massive impact on self-help/management, and while I doubt its effectiveness at what it claims to solve, I don't doubt its effectiveness in getting New Age idiots with lots of money to hand their hard-earned cash over to you.

Its more a contextual thing, than useful in and of itself.
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Post by: Brotep on January 08, 2009, 02:39:06 pm
Alot of his stuff is pure bullshit, I will admit.  But the fact it is pure bullshit which has sold large suggests its worth studying, since anyone who can sell bullshit must have some ability at manipulation.
It doesn't take much, though.  If you paint it yellow and call it a banana, the monkeys will buy it.

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Also, NLP has had a massive impact on self-help/management, and while I doubt its effectiveness at what it claims to solve, I don't doubt its effectiveness in getting New Age idiots with lots of money to hand their hard-earned cash over to you.
Oh oh, another problem...New Age idiots don't have any hard-earned cash--they gave it all to "Ramtha"  :wink:

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Its more a contextual thing, than useful in and of itself.
...k.  Well anyway, you don't need to defend your reading choices to me, but I'm just not seeing it.
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Post by: Dr Goofy on January 08, 2009, 10:29:18 pm
How to break a terrorist by Matthew Alexander
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Post by: N E T on January 09, 2009, 09:51:31 am
Nice.  Forgot about this thread...

CIA Human Resource Exploitation Manual
Army Field Manual 34-52 (Intelligence and Interrogation)
The User's Manual for the Brain by Richard Bandler
Absolute Magic by Derren Brown
Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown
Pure Effect by Derren Brown
Billion Dollar Bunko: How to cheat at everything by Simon Lovell
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
Get Anyone to Do Anything by David J Lieberman
The Mystery Method by Mystery
Rules of The Game by Neil Strauss
The Book of Tells by Peter Collet

Bandler, really?

Alot of his stuff is pure bullshit, I will admit.  But the fact it is pure bullshit which has sold large suggests its worth studying, since anyone who can sell bullshit must have some ability at manipulation.  Also, NLP has had a massive impact on self-help/management, and while I doubt its effectiveness at what it claims to solve, I don't doubt its effectiveness in getting New Age idiots with lots of money to hand their hard-earned cash over to you.

Its more a contextual thing, than useful in and of itself.

NLP has a lot of bullshit associated with it, but not of the New Age variety. I'd like to see evidence of where you're making that connection to New Age, Cain.

Also, what claims do NLPtards make that you doubt?
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Post by: Cain on January 09, 2009, 12:57:33 pm
The New Age connection is that of aim, mostly.  The whole self-help and actualization vibe is very prevalent among the New Age movement, and while one could claim that in and of itself that is not evidence, that it also makes grandiose claims (I swear one of Bandler's flunkies compared him to Socrates and Plato.  For real, not even in a joking context) and little in the way of testable evidence suggests a connection. 

There is also the business connection.  Several clever post-Marxist types have often noted a link between New Age thinking and what they would call Late Stage Capitalism, and NLP does seem to be marketed strongly to management types, with a heavy focus on sales (both on the "teacher" selling the program to you, and the utility of the program in sales).  There are also strong links with the Human Potential Movement.

As for claims, I doubt, for example:

That if one person can do something, anyone else can learn it (Roger Dilts is a main culprit here)
That the emphasis on non-verbal behaviour in the singular is testable or useful (obviously there will be some universal and localized body language, based in biology and culture, but that is not exactly what is claimed)
That primary representational systems actually exist

Its also interesting to note that no Neuropsychologists I am aware of cite NLP as an influence on how they believe the brain works, which casts a fair bit of their claims into doubt.  Several other scientific, peer-reviewed studies have also said that NLP is based on outmoded psychological models and crude, simplistic ideas of the brain and is full of factual errors.

This is not to suggest that NLP does not have useable techniques or methods, only that when they do work, it is extremely unlikely that they are due to the model of the brain that NLP proposes
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 16, 2009, 10:24:24 pm
Baron Antoine Henri de Jomini - The Art of War (2008 restored edition)

Jomini based his Art of War upon the methods of Napoleon.  Though his manual is lesser known than Clauswitz, Sun Tzu or even Machiavelli, its still good and highly original reading.  Also, perhaps unsurprisingly, he was one of the best French generals during the Napoleonic Wars, serving in Austerlitz, Spain, Russia and Prussia.
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Post by: Manta Obscura on January 17, 2009, 03:37:59 pm
I just finished reading "The Schrodinger's Cat Trilogy" by R.A.W., "The Graveyard Book" by Neil Gaiman, "Santa vs. Satan" by Jake Kalish, and "The Lost Sayings of Abraham Nopfziger" by Dallas Wiebe. They were interesting (but unnecessarily self-referential), fun (but juvenile), funny (but crude), and inspiring (but dogmatic), respectively.

I am now reading "Skyblue's Essays" by Dallas Wiebe, "Everything is Under Control" by R.A.W., and a collection of stories by Lovecraft titled "Waking Up Screaming." So far I like "Skyblue" the best.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 17, 2009, 06:53:03 pm
I'm reading a book about a Nigerian refugee, called "Little Bee".
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Post by: Kai on January 18, 2009, 04:06:52 pm
reading two books, Alien Ocean, and still trying to push through Principles of Biological Systematics.
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Post by: Xooxe on January 19, 2009, 06:02:13 am
Erich Fromm - The Fear of Freedom

I'm liking it but I prefered Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism which was released a few years later in 1944. Besides the differences in their ideas about authoritarianism, it's pretty obvious to me that they were influenced by each other to a slight extent.

Fromm makes the case that since the transition from merchantilism in the middle-ages - where people mostly knew and were certain about their relationship with society - capitalism, along with the freedom it brings, has severed our sense of belonging to something greater. He details the emergence of Lutherism and Calvinism as reactions to this shift and then looks at sadism and masochism in the authoritarian character.
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Post by: Cain on January 19, 2009, 07:10:21 am
Sounds similar to Hannah Arendt as well, who claimed atomized, modern society is what allowed fascism and communism to become totalitarian dictatorships (to massively oversimplify).

Not reading them yet, but I just placed orders for The Romance of the Three Kingdoms with money from my birthday and Xmas.  The Romance is essentially the Chinese version of the Iliad, a hugely influential work filled with larger than life figures set against the backdrop of a massive war.  Starting with the disintegration of the Han Dynasty, it follows the breakup of China and the scheming and battles from various factions that arose during the time. 
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Post by: Richter on January 21, 2009, 07:47:13 pm
God's Demon by Wayne Barlowe.
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Post by: VIDEODROME on January 23, 2009, 12:26:55 am
John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies.   

The book is a lot different then the movie and has even more weird shit going on.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: on January 23, 2009, 12:44:09 am
John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies.   

The book is a lot different then the movie and has even more weird shit going on.

I've been looking for a copy of this book for quite some time, nice Tetsuo avatar btw.

For me, Time Enough for Love by Robert Heinlein.
I feel I've neglected Heinlein long enough, and this is the only one I have laying around the house.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on January 23, 2009, 07:38:03 am
"Time Enough for Love" was the second Heinlein book I read.  I don't really remember the plot very much but I know that there was incest involved.  Heinlein really liked incest for some reason.

I've finally reading through "Black Swan" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. Pretty interesting so far.
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Post by: indigoblade on January 23, 2009, 09:03:42 am
The  Eragon series by Christopher Paolini (got it for christmas) currently Elder is the book I'm on. The kids a pretty good writer for his age and, what can I say, I'm a fantasy/Sci-Fi buff. Also Howling Moon from the sazi series by C.T. Adams & Cathy Clamp. I hope you may find these to be good reads.
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Post by: the last yatto on January 23, 2009, 09:11:01 am
http://www.mirc.com/khaled/books.html
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I'm currently reading Tank Girl: The Gifting by Martin and Wood, Galileo's Finger by Peter Atkins, Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich, Empire by Hardt and Negri, Darwin by Desmond and Moore, and By The Sword by Richard Cohen.
 Next on my list: Dreams from my Father by Barack Obama. Freakonomics by Levitt and Dubner.
 One of my favourite authors is  Stanislaw Lem, his works, classed as science fiction, are an intelligent and dazzling study of the effects of technology on humanity.
 I recently finished reading Diary of a Genius by Salvador Dali, Changing Planes by Ursula Le Guin, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll, Shroedinger's Cat Trillogy by Robert A. Wilson, The Woman in White by Wilkie Collins, Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer, A Farewell to Arms by Ernest Hemingway, The Bridge by Iain Banks, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick, The New Feminism by Natasha Walter, and Six Easy Pieces by Richard P. Feynman, and re-read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy by Douglas Adams (pay no attention to the fish stuck in my ear).
 May I recommend:
   Deterring Democracy by Noam Chomsky
 Orientalism by Edward W. Said
 
 The Palace of Wisdom by Robert Marshall-Andrews
 I, Claudius by Robert Graves
 Searching for the Emperor by Roberto Pazzi
 Galapagos by Kurt Vonnegut
 
 Memoirs Found in a Bathtub by Stanislaw Lem
 The Embedding by Ian Watson
 Mostly Harmless by Douglas Adams
 Neuromancer by William Gibson
 Nothing Sacred by Elizabeth Ann Scarborough
 Ringworld by Larry Niven
 
 Cosmogenesis by David Layzer
 The Last Centuries of Byzantium, 1261-1453 by Donald M. Nicol
 What is Life? by Erwin Schroedinger
 The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. Kuhn
 Signifying Nothing: The Semiotics of Zero by Brian Rotman
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Post by: Cain on January 23, 2009, 05:44:08 pm
Not reading them yet, but I just placed orders for The Romance of the Three Kingdoms with money from my birthday and Xmas.  The Romance is essentially the Chinese version of the Iliad, a hugely influential work filled with larger than life figures set against the backdrop of a massive war.  Starting with the disintegration of the Han Dynasty, it follows the breakup of China and the scheming and battles from various factions that arose during the time. 

Arrived today.  So far so good.  I'm actually reminded in part of Fire and Ice, simply for the level of backstabbing side-swapping nastiness that has gone on so far.

Turns out the complete novel is 1300 pages, too.  This may take a while...
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Post by: whatc on January 25, 2009, 01:23:04 pm
Maurice Merleau-Ponty: Eye and Mind
Crazy beautiful text. Im devouring this almost mindlessly.

Crudely translated excerpt:

"..while working on his favourite problem, wether velvet or wool, a real painter sets even unwillingly all solutions to every other problem questionable. His research is always all-encompassing, no matter how limited it might seem. When a painter has reached a new level of skill and knowledge, He will perceive a new area, where everything that, which He has been able to express earlier must be stated in other ways. He will find, that He had not found what He thought He had and so, He must keep on searching. The thought, that Painting could be universal and total, that all Painting has been completed, is insane. Even if the world would exist for millions of years, painters should, if they existed, keep painting it. That painting of a world can never become finished."
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Post by: Cain on January 25, 2009, 01:27:24 pm
He was a great philosopher, I hear.  Very influential in existentialism and postmodernism.  I have some stuff of his, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Post by: whatc on January 25, 2009, 02:19:41 pm
Inspirational ~60 page afternoon snack :)
I took a few aesthetics courses last year and when we got to phenomelogy His name came up.
From my very limited knowledge of philosophy, He strikes as the most "discordian" thinker so far.
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Post by: Cain on January 25, 2009, 02:30:21 pm
He was Foucault's philosophy teacher at one point, as well.  That was where I first heard of him, and since then I snagged a couple of e-book downloads about his work.  Its more of an introduction and explanation, though I'm sure if I dug around I could find the actual books as well.
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Post by: on January 26, 2009, 06:58:24 pm
"Time Enough for Love" was the second Heinlein book I read.  I don't really remember the plot very much but I know that there was incest involved.  Heinlein really liked incest for some reason.

I've finally reading through "Black Swan" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. Pretty interesting so far.

I just got done with this, and yeah, there is a lot of incest. In fact, its about a six hundred page long joke, and the punchline is incest.
If Heinlein is considered to be worth reading, I'm pretty damn sure its not because of 'Time Enough For Love'.

I'm at the local library atm,  I'll see if they have Black Swan. If not, I will find something else and probably edit this post.
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Post by: the last yatto on January 27, 2009, 09:28:50 am
http://www.eriswerks.org/steal.html this book
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Post by: Payne on January 28, 2009, 06:13:00 am
'The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail'

I read it a few years back and thought it was an awesome book. Re-reading it with all that I have learnt and experienced in that time, it's still awesome, but for completely different reasons.
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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2009, 09:52:31 am
There are some interesting facts in there.  You just have to remember that the Priory of Sion exists now, but never existed in the past.

And Henry Lincoln wrote Doctor Who scripts.
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Post by: Payne on January 28, 2009, 10:05:17 am
The Priory of Sion was a complete hoax, said Plantard in the 90's.

The mindset of someone who basically created such an elaborate hoax with no obvious immediate benefit is quite fascinating, even if it's not something I feel I could emulate.
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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2009, 04:27:15 pm
I'm not sure there was no benefit.  He got to hobnob with some fairly interesting and rich people.  Not to mention he apparently had links with the Grand Alpina lodge, who had fingers in lots of dubious business.
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Post by: indigoblade on February 03, 2009, 06:39:37 am
metamorphosis again yay :mrgreen:
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Post by: LMNO on February 04, 2009, 08:44:39 pm
My mom has announced she is about to read "Black Swan".

More as the situation develops.
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Post by: Xooxe on February 04, 2009, 09:00:56 pm
Not reading them yet, but I just placed orders for The Romance of the Three Kingdoms with money from my birthday and Xmas.  The Romance is essentially the Chinese version of the Iliad, a hugely influential work filled with larger than life figures set against the backdrop of a massive war.  Starting with the disintegration of the Han Dynasty, it follows the breakup of China and the scheming and battles from various factions that arose during the time. 

Arrived today.  So far so good.  I'm actually reminded in part of Fire and Ice, simply for the level of backstabbing side-swapping nastiness that has gone on so far.

Turns out the complete novel is 1300 pages, too.  This may take a while...

I don't read much fiction, but I was always interested in this. When you've finished tell us your thoughts.
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Post by: Cain on February 05, 2009, 03:15:44 pm
Well, so far I have learnt a few things.

1. Cao-Cao really is the series butt-monkey.  If you need someone to take a fall, without dying, he is your man.  He'll always bounce back.
2.  Lu-Pu must've had a really bad childhood, to grow up with chronic backstabbing disorder.
3.  Zhuge Liang ain't nothing to fuck with.  Ever. 
4.  Lu Pei is alignment Stupid Good, and I'm almost certain his high minded idiocy will end up getting him killed at some point.  Even with Zhuge Liang at his back.

Its a good book, and very readable, but there are LOTS of characters.  I would highly suggest reading it with a notebook, just so you can keep up with who is meant to be on what side.  It doesn't help that with transliterated Chinese names, most people who don't speak the language tend to glaze over after a while.  The plot tends to switch between distressing speed (several rebellions in the first few chapters) and strange slowness.

Also, have currently been reading:

Sheppard, Ben, The Psychology of Strategic Terrorism, New York, Routledge, 2009
Held, Virginia, How Terrorism Is Wrong: The Morality of Political Violence, New York, Oxford University Press, 2008
Rinehart, James, Apocalyptic Violence and Political Violence, Basingstoke, Palgrave Macmillan, 2006
Coker, Christopher, The Warrior Ethos: Military Culture and the War on Terror, New York, Routledge, 2007
Lutz, James M. and Brenda J, Terrorism: Origins and Evolution, New York, Palgrave Macmillan, 2005
Thompson, Janice E, Mercenaries, Pirates and Sovereigns: State-Building and Extraterritorial Violence in Early Modern Europe, Princeton, Princeton University Press, 1994
Horgan, John, The Psychology of Terrorism, New York, Routledge, 2003
Post, Jerrold, The Mind of the Terrorist: The Psychology of Terrorism from The IRA to Al-Qaeda, New York, Palgrave Macmillan, 2007
Sageman, Marc, Understanding Terror Networks, University of Pennsylvania Press, 2004
Chaliand, Gerard and Bin, Arnaud, The History of Terrorism: From Antiquity to Al-Qaeda, Berkeley and Los Angeles, University of California Press, 2007
Soeters, Joseph L., Ethnic Conflict and Terrorism: The Origin and Dynamics of Civil Wars, New York, Routledge, 2005
Bobbitt, Philip, Terror and Consent: The Wars for the 21st Century, Allen Lane Publishing, 2008
G. E. Kelly, Mark, The Political Philosophy of Michel Foucault, New York, Routledge, 2009
Odysseos, Louiza and Petito, Fabio, The International Political Thought of Carl Schmitt: Terror, liberal war and the crisis of global order, New York, Routledge, 2007
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Post by: the last yatto on February 11, 2009, 01:35:03 am
added to wish list: http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-Logic-Politicians-Journalists/dp/0071446435
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Post by: That One Guy on February 11, 2009, 04:24:20 pm
I just started re-reading Anathem (Neal Stephenson). I read it over the holiday/new year's stretch, but now I'm looking to get a bit more into the small details of the story that I tend to miss the first time through any book as I'm concentrating more on broad plots and character development than the little details that foreshadow later developments.

I really liked the book the first time through, so I'm looking forward to catching all those little things I missed  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jasper on February 11, 2009, 05:08:35 pm
I'll read Mind Performance Hacks at the gym today.
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Post by: Cain on February 12, 2009, 03:51:10 pm
Got bored of terrorism.  So I chucked all that aside and went for War, Diplomacy and the Rise of the Savoy 1690-1720, by Christopher Storrs. 
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Post by: Cain on February 13, 2009, 09:52:41 am
Done with the Savoy, for now.

Just downloading Zizek's Violence which will hopefully be very interesting.  Some of his thoughts on political violence in Lost Causes looked interesting, and I had hoped he would pursue something along those lines more at a later date.  Of course, knowing Zizek, it will no doubt end up in a dizzying array of diverging and interesting, if somewhat unrelated, points and observations, but I can deal with that.  And also, since Zizek has a tendency to take the longer view, hopefully there will be some material on the historical construction of various violent crimes that I can use...or at least an interesting framework I can contrast my own research with.
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Post by: Jasper on February 14, 2009, 06:48:16 pm
Mind Performance Hacks was a good read.  Would people be interested in a recap thread?
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Post by: Bu☆ns on February 14, 2009, 06:52:09 pm
Mind Performance Hacks was a good read.  Would people be interested in a recap thread?

actually yes... i think i read it a couple months ago. maybe it was just 'Mind Hacks'...regardless go ahead.
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Post by: Jasper on February 14, 2009, 07:01:39 pm
Mind Performance Hacks was a good read.  Would people be interested in a recap thread?

actually yes... i think i read it a couple months ago. maybe it was just 'Mind Hacks'...regardless go ahead.

Mind Hacks was the more theoretical precursor.  This one involves practical examples of brain improvement.  I'll do one today.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on February 14, 2009, 07:03:07 pm
i think i might have both.  i'll get them out if you do.
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Post by: Jasper on February 15, 2009, 04:32:02 am
On second thought, this book, upon reflection, is probably a troll.  It wants me to talk to myself and learn morse code.
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Post by: Xooxe on February 18, 2009, 05:13:04 am
Thompson, Janice E, Mercenaries, Pirates and Sovereigns: State-Building and Extraterritorial Violence in Early Modern Europe, Princeton, Princeton University Press, 1994

Now THAT sounds fascinating.

I've just started reading Human Action by Ludwig von Mises. I don't class myself as libertarian or anything, I'm just curious.
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Post by: zen_magick on February 18, 2009, 06:51:51 pm
For some reason I seem to be reading a lot of erotica at the moment.  People keep giving it to me.

Alan Moore's Lost Girls - freakin' awesome

The Best Bi-sexual Women's Erotica - good stuff very spank worthy

and last night a friend handed me Georges Bataille's Story of the Eye so far so good, hehehe

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Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 18, 2009, 10:14:57 pm
I have found an e-book copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator".  I really need someone to talk me out of reading it.
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Post by: Jasper on February 18, 2009, 10:18:05 pm
I have found an e-book copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator".  I really need someone to talk me out of reading it.

Read it and die.
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Post by: zen_magick on February 18, 2009, 10:41:45 pm
three chapters into Bataille's "Story of the Eye" and I'm begining to think there's just NOT ENOUGH urine in my sex life!!  :eek:
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 19, 2009, 01:20:43 am
I have found an e-book copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator".  I really need someone to talk me out of reading it.

Read it and die.
Is this a threat or a dare?

I've made it halfway through the first chapter and I can already tell that it's going to an army of strawmen and the teleological argument repeated about a dozen times.  Why am I wasting my time on this?
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Post by: Jasper on February 19, 2009, 01:24:48 am
I have found an e-book copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator".  I really need someone to talk me out of reading it.

Read it and die.
Is this a threat or a dare?

I've made it halfway through the first chapter and I can already tell that it's going to an army of strawmen and the teleological argument repeated about a dozen times.  Why am I wasting my time on this?

You asked for someone to talk you out of it, don't get all offended. :)

Why are you wasting your time on it?
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 19, 2009, 01:35:31 am
I have found an e-book copy of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator".  I really need someone to talk me out of reading it.

Read it and die.
Is this a threat or a dare?

I've made it halfway through the first chapter and I can already tell that it's going to an army of strawmen and the teleological argument repeated about a dozen times.  Why am I wasting my time on this?

You asked for someone to talk you out of it, don't get all offended. :)

Why are you wasting your time on it?
It's the same reason I read the first chapter of Ann Coulter's "Godless".  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

I'm already bailing out of this book because in chapter 2 because he mentioned micro vs. macro evolution and Haeckel's drawing.  If this is just the standard Creationist bullshit then I already know how the story ends.
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Post by: Jasper on February 19, 2009, 01:54:29 am
Success.
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Post by: Cain on February 19, 2009, 10:01:13 pm
Thompson, Janice E, Mercenaries, Pirates and Sovereigns: State-Building and Extraterritorial Violence in Early Modern Europe, Princeton, Princeton University Press, 1994

Now THAT sounds fascinating.

I've just started reading Human Action by Ludwig von Mises. I don't class myself as libertarian or anything, I'm just curious.

Its alright.  Lots of world system/critical theory talk about the shop, but once you get past that, it has some meat.  Could have been better though.

Ah, Von Mises.  So crazy even Hayek thought he was scary.
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Post by: Phineas T. Poxwattle on February 21, 2009, 03:20:03 pm
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"The generation of North Americans born between 1965 and 1980-- in Canadian writer Hal Nietdzviecki's coinage, the "Malaise Generation"-- seems to have pretty much given up hope that any good will come of this place called Earth. Taken as a group (and there are of course some exceptional overachievers within this group--exceptions which prove the rule), this generation represents the biggest waste of potential energy, passion, creativity and intellect in our time. This generation, which in primitive societies would have done the bulk of the tribe's work, has voluntarily removed itself from the collective effort because . . . Hey, waht's the point?

Slackers spend days on end sharpening their sardonic edge on the whetstone fo apathy. They philosophize on the maening of a Kraft Dinner, they fish Hush Puppies from the discount bins of Wal Mart, or, in a birst of inspiration, they issue zines with names like A.d.i.d.a.s. (All Day I dream About Suicide). To slackers, the worst crime is to admit to being committed to anything, becasue then you appear earnet, and earnest ain't ironic. It ain't cool. So maybe it's just better to drift down to Santa Monica, to "sit beside the ocean and watch the world die."

Culture Jam, Kalle Lasn
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Post by: Pariah on February 21, 2009, 06:33:57 pm
Do androids dream of electric sheep?

...


Again.
I need some more books.
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Post by: Cain on February 21, 2009, 06:41:33 pm
Pariah, if you do not object to theft and ebooks:

http://thepiratebay.org/browse/601
http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/
http://gigapedia.com/ (register here)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Pariah on February 21, 2009, 07:09:57 pm
Pariah, if you do not object to theft and ebooks:

http://thepiratebay.org/browse/601
http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/
http://gigapedia.com/ (register here)

Thanks!
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Post by: Pariah on February 21, 2009, 07:11:27 pm
First new book

(http://pixhost.ws/avaxhome/cb/45/000b45cb.jpeg)

 :lulz:

Fairly interesting looking.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on February 21, 2009, 07:20:00 pm
That and the other one you showed me via PM looked interesting.  As do the ones on the US=Mexico border conflicts, smuggling in SE Asia, War and Punishment, Thicker than Oil, The Rise of Eurocentrism and The Right War?: The Conservative debate on Iraq.

Among others.  They also all tend to update daily, so be sure to check back.  And the archives as well, since you can easily go back 50 or so pages and find working links.
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Post by: Xooxe on February 21, 2009, 08:26:05 pm
Ah, Von Mises.  So crazy even Hayek thought he was scary.

So far it's not particularly crazy. I've just about finished volume 1 which is geared more towards philosophy than economics. It's not brilliant, plenty of naive assertions. There's a lot in there which I agree with, but I'm not getting where he's trying to go with it most of the time.
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Post by: Cain on February 21, 2009, 08:41:26 pm
Ah, Von Mises.  So crazy even Hayek thought he was scary.

So far it's not particularly crazy. I've just about finished volume 1 which is geared more towards philosophy than economics. It's not brilliant, plenty of naive assertions. There's a lot in there which I agree with, but I'm not getting where he's trying to go with it most of the time.

His non-economic philosophy was just standard Austrian rationalism and empiricism, wasn't it?  I'm more familiar with his economic thinking, which was die-hard laissez faire.  Even Hayek conceded that things like the minimum wage, laws to protect the environment and legislation to protect people from dangerous working conditions might be needed, and that markets were contingent human constructions, not facts of nature.
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Post by: Pariah on February 21, 2009, 09:36:28 pm
http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/history_military/Walking_Ghosts.html

This is the one I'm reading right now.
Really really interesting.
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Post by: Alamaris on February 24, 2009, 10:49:42 pm
Currently reading:

Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared Diamond, which is a really interesting look at why advanced cultures developed faster in different areas of the world -- highly recommended.

Surpassing The Love Of Men by Lillian Faderman, which is...surprisingly dry for being a history of lesbianism and illicit romantic friendships in the 19th century.  Still a good read, though.

Paths Not Taken by Simon R. Green, who writes really cynical, witty private eye characters (this one is part of his Nightside series about a sick, supernatural twin of London, but they're all pretty stand-alone).
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on February 24, 2009, 11:08:56 pm
I just finished Seven Days in the Art World, an ethnographical study of the contemporary art market.  It was fascinating.  Now I'm reading Empires of Time, a rather old but still interesting look at how people deal with time, from clocks to calendars.  I learned the significance of the dropping of the ball at Times Square: 
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Up until the twentieth century, every respectable harbor city had its own time ball that fell every day at noon to send ocean navigators a precise visual time signal by which to adjust their chronometers...The famous New Year's ball in Manhattan's Times Square is a distinct survivor.
 

Awesome.
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Post by: Xooxe on February 26, 2009, 06:30:29 am
His non-economic philosophy was just standard Austrian rationalism and empiricism, wasn't it?  I'm more familiar with his economic thinking, which was die-hard laissez faire.  Even Hayek conceded that things like the minimum wage, laws to protect the environment and legislation to protect people from dangerous working conditions might be needed, and that markets were contingent human constructions, not facts of nature.

I don't believe his philosophy was based upon empiricism. I had quite a hard time understanding his overview of praxeology, which was a major part of volume 1, but he seemed to contrast it with the way in which history collects evidence and builds a world-view.

To be completely honest, most of it has left my memory. Volume 2 goes into the economics, and I was aware of his die-hard laissez faire stance. That was the reason why I was curious to read it.

But for now, I've started reading The Chemistry of Life by Steven Rose. I thought I'd take a little detour away from the biochemistry text books.
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Post by: Jasper on February 26, 2009, 06:41:51 am
Currently reading:

Guns, Germs, And Steel by Jared Diamond, which is a really interesting look at why advanced cultures developed faster in different areas of the world -- highly recommended.

I keep hearing it's a yawn.  Agree/Disagree?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2009, 01:49:41 pm
His non-economic philosophy was just standard Austrian rationalism and empiricism, wasn't it?  I'm more familiar with his economic thinking, which was die-hard laissez faire.  Even Hayek conceded that things like the minimum wage, laws to protect the environment and legislation to protect people from dangerous working conditions might be needed, and that markets were contingent human constructions, not facts of nature.

I don't believe his philosophy was based upon empiricism. I had quite a hard time understanding his overview of praxeology, which was a major part of volume 1, but he seemed to contrast it with the way in which history collects evidence and builds a world-view.

To be completely honest, most of it has left my memory. Volume 2 goes into the economics, and I was aware of his die-hard laissez faire stance. That was the reason why I was curious to read it.

But for now, I've started reading The Chemistry of Life by Steven Rose. I thought I'd take a little detour away from the biochemistry text books.

Ah, I just read now. Yeah, synthetic a priori arguments.  Urgh. 

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I keep hearing it's a yawn.  Agree/Disagree?

It can be, in places.  On the other hand, if you find prehistory interesting, its worth a read.  There are ebooks, if you want to check it out before committing cash.
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Post by: Cain on February 26, 2009, 01:52:41 pm
Oh, I forgot to add, I'm reading The Sun and the Moon: The Remarkable True Account of Hoaxers, Showmen, Duelling Journalists and Lunar Man-Bats in Nineteenth Century New York, by Matthew Goodman, and Waiter Rant - Thanks for the tip: The confessions of a cynical waiter, by "The Waiter".
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Post by: Xooxe on February 26, 2009, 02:09:56 pm
Ah, I just read now. Yeah, synthetic a priori arguments.  Urgh. 

Yep, that's the one. Sometimes I wonder if me not understanding something is actually a case of the argument being bullshit instead of my comprehension taking a nose-dive.


Also...

Sweet buggery Christmas-tits! Lunar Man-Bats?!
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Post by: Cain on February 26, 2009, 02:14:11 pm
I remember doing something on it, a long time ago.  A very long time ago...I never cared much for my logic classes, though.

And yes, its the greatest name for a book ever.  Doubly so since its a real book, in print.
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Post by: on March 04, 2009, 11:30:47 pm
I just finished with The Jokes Over: Bruised Memories: Gonzo, Hunter S. Thompson, and Me. By Ralph Steadman.

Worthwhile read for any fan of the good doctor, but very much tainted by Ralph Steadmans many personal biases both for and against Dr. Thompson. There are quite a few parts where Ralph comes off as overly accusatory, even whiny, but he does tell the story from his own point of view. Its a pretty quick read.
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Post by: fomenter on March 08, 2009, 12:07:20 am
"48 laws of power",
 i am finally getting around to it because i found this http://btjunkie.org/torrent/pdflrfwin-0-99-PDF-to-LRF-Converter-for-Sony-Reader-pdflrf/448665a738cec7e413e4773deb94f5098b19787e58e7
there may be better pdf to lrf converters out there  (Sony 500-505 format) but they are hard to find or need programing expertise to use.
i will be reading "Darren brown tricks of the mind" next, another book who's pdf format needed conversion to be readable.

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Post by: fomenter on March 09, 2009, 04:00:37 pm
i am still looking for a working pdf to text converter... so far the freeware i have tried doesn't work and the demo versions of commercial software either don't work or are so restricted it is impossible to tell if they work, if any body knows of a good program i would love to hear it, i am tired of seizing up my computer testing junk freeware and wasting my time testing commercial software that is to restricted to test..
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Post by: LMNO on March 09, 2009, 04:21:40 pm
Have you tried Stanza?

It's what I use to make PDFs readable on the Kindle.

http://www.lexcycle.com/
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Post by: Jasper on March 10, 2009, 08:05:33 am
I'm in the middle of rereading "Eisenhorn", some WH40K fic.

Even though it's from 40K, I've come to really appreciate it.  It's got great pulp themes like detective work, the wild west, and individualistic heroism, but it's written in the British sci-fi tradition of using the setting as a vehicle for intelligent social commentary.
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Post by: Reeducation on March 12, 2009, 09:30:15 pm
I'm reading the Tibetan Book of The Dead, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Doors of Perception.
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on March 16, 2009, 05:43:33 am
"Protoevangelium of James"

now the church can officially call me a heretic
 :thumb:
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Post by: Cain on March 16, 2009, 09:28:25 am
Slavoj Zizek - Welcome to the Desert of the Real: Five Essays on September 11th and Similar Dates
David Campbell - Writing Security: United States Foreign Policy and the Politics of Identity.
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Post by: Xooxe on March 16, 2009, 10:00:18 pm
The Rough Guide to The Brain - Barry J Gibb
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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 12:47:28 pm
Finished The Chicken Cabala.

Just loaded The Trial, You Are Being Lied To, The Hagakure, The God Delusion, and The Mass Psychology of Fascism onto my Hitchhiker's Guide.



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Post by: Cain on March 17, 2009, 12:50:18 pm
Although all things are not to be judged in this manner, I mention it in the investigation of the Way of the Samurai. When the time comes, there is no moment for reasoning. And if you have not done your inquiring beforehand , there is most often shame. Reading books and listening to people's talk are for the purpose of prior resolution. 
Above all, the Way of the Samurai should be in being aware that you do not know what is going to happen next, and in querying every item day and night. Victory and defeat are matters of the temporary force of circumstances.
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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 12:52:46 pm
Are you implying the Hagakure is written in Engrish?
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Post by: Cain on March 17, 2009, 12:53:58 pm
No, but some of its translations certainly come across that way, on the first read.
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Post by: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 01:31:02 pm
Finished The Chicken Cabala.

Mangrove pointed that out to me last year. I was quite curious about Cabalah and picked it up. (okay fine I pirated it and printed out the pdf)
Would you say that was a good intro?

I found it very interesting, but found it difficult to see to the various numeric concordances as much more than pattern-finding exercises. I was unable to glean much from this past the lessons of the Law of 5s. Am I doing it wrong?
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Post by: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 01:34:49 pm
Second Question:

You've posted about your dislike for Castaneda. Something about him selling fiction as mysticism I gather? The search function did not reveal any postings on the matter. Anyway, how is that different from Lon Milo using his fictional Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford, even if Lon Milo is a bit more tongue-in-cheek about it?
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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 01:57:38 pm
I'd say it was a good intro for Discordians and their ilk.  It's a friendly way to describe a new model for arranging the way you look at the universe/yourself.

The number correspondences are indeed Lo5, but the Tree of Life is surprisingly resiliant when it comes to structuring different aspects of thought or existence. 

I must add, however... have you ever taken Lo5 as deeply as he suggests?  The main point he's trying to make is that (in this model) there are 4 states of existence, with Intelligent Rational thought (Rauch) only being the second highest, just above Animal Thought.  But your brain is so powerful it gets in the way of seeing the next two states.  So you use high volumes of highly concentrated Lo5, and overload Rauch completly. 

It's like the classic musical example of Eno versus Fripp.  Eno decided to try not to learn, and to even unlearn anything about music theory, or what songs "should" sound like, so he could create from a blank slate; it took him years to get to that point.  Fripp decided to learn every single thing he could about music theory, so the entirety of options were available to him.  They both reached the same goal, but went about it in different ways.

So, you could say that some kinds of "Zen" meditation are aimed at emptying the mind, which when stilled, allows for enlightenment.  Conversley, Kaballah mounts a DOS attack on the rational parts of the brain, which collapses, allowing for enlightenment.

As to your second question, Lon never really tried to pass Rabbi Clifford off as a real person.  The tongue-in-cheek-ness points to Lon using LBC as a device rather than a hoax.  Add to that Lon actually being a scholar and adept in esoteric mysticism rather than a hack trying to create a pastiche of new-age Noble-Savageness, and I think you'll understand why I don't really equate the two.
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Post by: Cain on March 17, 2009, 02:03:45 pm
Didn't Castaenda also use Don Juan as part of his Ph.D thesis?

Slightly different things, IMO.
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Post by: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 02:13:01 pm
Castaneda was awarded both his bachelors and doctorate based on his first three books, which he wrote while he was an anthro student at UCLA. I agree that Don Juan probably wasn't a real dude, and yeah Castaneda made some scratch and prestige from book sales. But I still think that's kind of immaterial, sort of like the validity of the new testament being contingent on the physical reality of Jesus' existence.

Anyway, I'm really intrigued by the notion of zen and cabalah as opposite ends of the spectrum. Zen is unloading, Cabalah is overloading. Maybe it's time to quest through that stuff again - but I still feel kind of rationally anchored. Will have to think on this further.

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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 02:19:42 pm
Does that mean that you'd put the Celestine Prophecy on the same footing as Ashtanga Yoga?
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Post by: Cain on March 17, 2009, 02:24:39 pm
Lets put it this way.  When we had to submit proposals for our M.A. thesis', I suggested a paper called The Neorealism of Mordor: Balancing and Bandwagoning in Middle Earth.  My submission tutor told me "no, just no."  I argued that while the setting was, of course, invented, Neorealism and bandwagoning and so on were real phenomena.  To which he replied "do you want me to fail you for this course right now?  Because I could do that."

So, yeah.
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Post by: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 02:28:12 pm
Does that mean that you'd put the Celestine Prophecy on the same footing as Ashtanga Yoga?

I haven't read either, so I'm likely missing some nuance.

But if I felt both had a positive effect on my life, or stirred me into thinking in a new way, then yes.


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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 02:29:23 pm
Anyway, I don't want to get into a shouting match over a Brazilian fraud.  I'd rather keep talking about Kaballah.
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Post by: Cramulus on March 17, 2009, 02:36:35 pm
fair enough. I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree anyway. I'm glad to have heard your opinion in a less flippant dismissive manner.  :p


Anyway, what's a good way to begin towards this overload? Does it require memorizing all the numeric correspondences? Should I get a thick cabalah dictionary and reference all the time? Is it something like how with tarot you need to start with a question and then build from there?
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Post by: LMNO on March 17, 2009, 02:50:21 pm
Well, if you really want to do it, it takes a fair amount of work.  I'd pretty much follow Lon's book:

1. Learn the hebrew alphabet
2. Learn the numbers associated
3. Learn the correspondences of the letters
4. Learn the correspondences of the Tree of life (both the spheres and the paths)
5. Learn the correspondences of the Tarot to the Tree, the alphabet, the zodiac, etc
6. Memorize them all
7. Start making connections

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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2009, 11:57:51 am
More on line with the original post, I'm reading The God Delusion, and I have to say that Dawkins is kind of a jackass.

To sum up the first 20 pages or so:

1. "When mystics and sages use the word "God", they are describing something different than when the everyday person uses the word "God".  So we're going to ignore and deride the people who have spent their lives studying their own spirituality, and go with the definition of the regular spag on the street."

2.  "When scientists use the word "religion," they mean something different than when the everyday person uses the word "religion".  So, out of respect to these great men of science, we are going to carefully parse and respect their use of the word, and show that their definition is far superior to the regular spag on the street's."
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Post by: P3nT4gR4m on March 18, 2009, 01:25:28 pm
More on line with the original post, I'm reading The God Delusion, and I have to say that Dawkins is kind of a jackass.

To sum up the first 20 pages or so:

1. "When mystics and sages use the word "God", they are describing something different than when the everyday person uses the word "God".  So we're going to ignore and deride the people who have spent their lives studying their own spirituality, and go with the definition of the regular spag on the street."

2.  "When scientists use the word "religion," they mean something different than when the everyday person uses the word "religion".  So, out of respect to these great men of science, we are going to carefully parse and respect their use of the word, and show that their definition is far superior to the regular spag on the street's."

Could it be, as I've suspected for some time, that this man is single-handedly responsible for the whole attitude of the modern atheist movement?
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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2009, 01:34:34 pm
Probably.

It's funny; most of the "enlightened" sages, prophets, seers, and saints, when you boil down their rantings and explanations, say something to the effect of "God is all; it is the Universe, and the laws of the Universe; All is One, and that is God." Dawkins rejects this.

He then goes on to defend the scientist's use of the word "religion", in that they are invariably describing their "religion" as the wonderment of the Universe as a whole, the stunning idea that we are all connected, at the simplicity and beauty of the laws that govern Nature, etc.


From where I'm standing, they're talking about the same thing, pretty much.
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Post by: Cramulus on March 18, 2009, 02:35:10 pm
did you see the South Park where Eric goes into the future to discover that religion has been crushed, and now all the wars are about which sect of Atheism is better?

I love how they celebrate the teachings of Richard Dawkins:  "It's not enough to be right. You also have to be a dick about it."

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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2009, 02:43:10 pm
No shit?

I swear, those infantile morons are fucking geniuses.
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Post by: Xooxe on March 18, 2009, 03:30:08 pm
More on line with the original post, I'm reading The God Delusion, and I have to say that Dawkins is kind of a jackass.

I'm generally ignoring his moral crusade. Love his biology books though.

It's funny; most of the "enlightened" sages, prophets, seers, and saints, when you boil down their rantings and explanations, say something to the effect of "God is all; it is the Universe, and the laws of the Universe; All is One, and that is God." Dawkins rejects this.

I've got a bunch of friends who are pretty much hardcore muslim. They're really bright and it's brilliant having conversations about philosophy with them, until it comes to putting a name to the subject and they're like "NO, it's called ALLAH!"

 :lulz: "Finnnnnnne, we'll stick with Allah then."
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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2009, 03:34:06 pm
Duquette has a line about this.  I'll see if I can find it.
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on March 18, 2009, 03:47:54 pm
More on line with the original post, I'm reading The God Delusion, and I have to say that Dawkins is kind of a jackass.

To sum up the first 20 pages or so:

1. "When mystics and sages use the word "God", they are describing something different than when the everyday person uses the word "God".  So we're going to ignore and deride the people who have spent their lives studying their own spirituality, and go with the definition of the regular spag on the street."

2.  "When scientists use the word "religion," they mean something different than when the everyday person uses the word "religion".  So, out of respect to these great men of science, we are going to carefully parse and respect their use of the word, and show that their definition is far superior to the regular spag on the street's."

Blind Watchmaker is much better... It's basically got one attack, on topic and it's clear and rational
God Delusion was too encompassing, and kind of simplistic in it's view... I actually didn't get all the way through it though. I lost interest
Also The Selfish Gene is better, though it's a little out dated when dealing with genetics, but gave us the word "meme"
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Post by: LMNO on March 18, 2009, 03:48:59 pm
Found it.

"Determining a word's number is only the beginning of the fun… Turning to one of  our number texts we find that "31" has several entries.  The two most important , in my opinion, are AL (אל) which is the simplest way to say God in Hebrew, and LA (לא) which means "not".  This reminds us of the first two [principles of my Kaballah teachings]; All is One, and All is Nothing.  Say what you want about Islam, but Allah is a great name for God!"
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on March 18, 2009, 03:53:51 pm
More on line with the original post, I'm reading The God Delusion, and I have to say that Dawkins is kind of a jackass.

To sum up the first 20 pages or so:

1. "When mystics and sages use the word "God", they are describing something different than when the everyday person uses the word "God".  So we're going to ignore and deride the people who have spent their lives studying their own spirituality, and go with the definition of the regular spag on the street."

2.  "When scientists use the word "religion," they mean something different than when the everyday person uses the word "religion".  So, out of respect to these great men of science, we are going to carefully parse and respect their use of the word, and show that their definition is far superior to the regular spag on the street's."

Blind Watchmaker is much better... It's basically got one attack, on topic and it's clear and rational
God Delusion was too encompassing, and kind of simplistic in it's view... I actually didn't get all the way through it though. I lost interest
Also The Selfish Gene is better, though it's a little out dated when dealing with genetics, but gave us the word "meme"

also The Devil's Chaplain (which is collection of essays) and The Ancestor's tale
Ancestor's tale is one of the most amazing things you'll ever read
They are more science books but leads me to the conclusion that it's unfortunate that God Delusion has become his most well known book
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Post by: That One Guy on March 18, 2009, 05:34:30 pm
Over the weekend I finally got around to reading Starship Troopers (Robert Heinlein) and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I'd seen the (really, really, REALLY bad) movie for Starship Troopers, so I was prepared for the book to be pretty different.

I wasn't prepared for the overall arc of the plot/story being as good as it was, though. The description of boot camp, officer's training, etc. and the role of a future-Marine mechanized infantry in interstellar war were all presented in a way that kept the human/emotional element much more in the fore than I had expected. As a Heinlein fan I figured I'd enjoy it, but after seeing the movie I was expecting something more in line with Time Enough for Love or The Cat Who Walks Through Walls. I'd say it's on par with Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and only slightly less than Stranger in a Strange Land. Good stuff.

F&L in LV was, of course, excellent. I also picked up The Great Shark Hunt (collected works), and am currently on the F&L at Watergate section, which is a great follow-up to F&L on the Campaign Trail '72. I love reading about the Nixon era from HST's perspective, so it's been a great read so far.
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Post by: SuuCal on March 24, 2009, 12:33:42 am
Deadpool: Games of Death One Shot. I also picked up the 1st 5 Deadpool comics in hardcover form, but I'm saving that for my trip to Florida.
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Post by: Corvidia on March 24, 2009, 12:41:52 am
Terry Pratchett's Feet of Clay. One of the very best of his works, along with Small Gods.
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Post by: Dr Goofy on March 24, 2009, 12:52:24 am
The Empowered Manager

Somebody shoot me!
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Post by: Lyris_Nymphetamine on March 24, 2009, 04:12:07 am
City of Bones by some random crappy teenage fiction writer.
i have a feeling this book will be worse than twilight.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on March 24, 2009, 04:15:51 am
The Empowered Manager

Somebody shoot me!

Join them.   JOIN THEM.  ... for the greater good.
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Post by: Dr Goofy on March 24, 2009, 02:17:31 pm
Join the empowered mangers of the world? That is the plan but IDK how long i will last with my crazy ideas.
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Post by: Corvidia on March 24, 2009, 08:59:21 pm
City of Bones by some random crappy teenage fiction writer.
i have a feeling this book will be worse than twilight.
Probably. It's by Cassandra Claire, right? She's a big-name fan in the fan ficition world and she's been accused of plagiarizing at least four characters in that book from the Harry Potter series (Harry, Hermione, Draco Malfoy and Ron, I think).

Passionate Declarations by Howard Zinn
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Post by: Cain on March 24, 2009, 09:24:53 pm
The Age of the Warrior: Selected Essays by Robert Fisk.
Confronting the New Conservatism: The Rise of the Right in America, edited by Michael J. Thompson.
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Post by: Kai on March 24, 2009, 11:40:52 pm
A Feeling for the Organism: The life and work of Barbara McClintock -- Evelyn Fox Keller

It includes the essay that bears the title, one that I've been waxing about for a while now. McClintock was the Charles Darwin of the 20th century, more or less, albeit much more focused than Darwin was. She caused a genetic revolution by cementing the chromosome as the gene holding unit, and discovering crossing over and transposition; all of this was found working on corn.
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Post by: A.N. Other on March 25, 2009, 03:49:11 pm
Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk. Not as disgusting as everyone says it is, but it isn't as good as everyone says, either.

After that, Darkness At Noon by Arthur Koestler, which I have somewhere.
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Post by: Richter on March 25, 2009, 06:24:59 pm
Intro to I Ching
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Post by: Reeducation on March 26, 2009, 12:11:15 pm
Ayn Rand : Atlas Shrugged

Huxley : The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell
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Post by: VIDEODROME on March 27, 2009, 08:06:11 am
Philip K. Dick     A Scanner Darkly
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Post by: LMNO on March 27, 2009, 01:55:28 pm
I just started Reich's "Mass Psychology of Facism."

Another good model to incorporate. 
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Post by: Cain on March 27, 2009, 02:10:10 pm
You should read Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze and Guattari after that.  Its a critique of Freudo-Marxism that builds on Reich and R.D. Laing to try and explain the appeal of fascism, among many other things.
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Post by: LMNO on March 27, 2009, 02:13:01 pm
I really need to find a copy of "listen, little man!"  I had a copy once, and of course I lent it to a friend...



Now I have no friends, and my books are safe.
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Post by: Cain on March 27, 2009, 02:25:02 pm
Canada provides

http://wikilivres.info/wiki/Listen,_Little_Man!
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Post by: LMNO on March 27, 2009, 02:31:46 pm
"There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. "



CANADAAAAAA!
  \
 :argh!:
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Post by: Cain on March 27, 2009, 02:36:33 pm
The exclamation mark is meant to be part of the URL  :argh!:
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Post by: LMNO on March 27, 2009, 02:38:16 pm
OFUK!



Cain just gave me a boner.
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Post by: LMNO on March 27, 2009, 02:42:17 pm
Copied, and soon to be Kindled.
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Post by: Honey on March 28, 2009, 11:10:32 pm
I like Listen, Little Man.  Timely to re-read now.  Thanks.

Quote
You knew better how to win your freedom than how to safeguard it for yourself and others.

The less you understand, the more ready you are to give reverence.

This is why I am afraid of you Little Man, deadly afraid. For on you depends the fate of humanity I am afraid of you because there is nothing you flee as much from as yourself. You are sick, very sick, Little Man. It is not your fault. But it is your responsibility to rid yourself of this sickness. You would have long since shaken off your oppressors had you not tolerated oppression and often actively supported it. No police force in the world would be powerful enough to suppress you if you had only a mite of self-respect in practical everyday living, if you knew, deep down, that without you life would not go on for even an hour. Did your liberator tell you that? No. He called you the ‘Proletarian of the World’, but he did not tell you that you, and only you, are responsible for your life (instead of being responsible for the ‘honor of the fatherland’)
-Listen, Little Man! written by Wilhelm Reich, translated by Theodore P. Wolfe 
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Post by: Mangrove on March 31, 2009, 09:47:59 pm
Cosmos & Psyche by R. Tarnas
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 31, 2009, 10:26:16 pm
"Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body" by Neil Shubin.  It's dry but interesting, like a fine brandy.  I now know more about tetrapod anatomy than I ever cared to.  It's still a good book though. 
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Post by: on April 01, 2009, 01:23:49 am
Just finished Neil Stephensons Baroque Trilogy.

Moving on to God Emperor of Dune.
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Post by: Xooxe on April 01, 2009, 06:28:33 pm
Found it.

"Determining a word's number is only the beginning of the fun… Turning to one of  our number texts we find that "31" has several entries.  The two most important , in my opinion, are AL (אל) which is the simplest way to say God in Hebrew, and LA (לא) which means "not".  This reminds us of the first two [principles of my Kaballah teachings]; All is One, and All is Nothing.  Say what you want about Islam, but Allah is a great name for God!"

That makes a lot of sense. Do you know if that's pretty well known to muslims in general?

You should read Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze and Guattari after that.  Its a critique of Freudo-Marxism that builds on Reich and R.D. Laing to try and explain the appeal of fascism, among many other things.

I'll have to give this a read too. Thank you.

I really need to find a copy of "listen, little man!"  I had a copy once, and of course I lent it to a friend...

Now I have no friends, and my books are safe.

I lent mine to my girlfriend and she ran away with it. I hope they're happy together.

At least she read it. I hate lending books if no one bothers and then keeps them.
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Post by: LMNO on April 01, 2009, 06:54:23 pm
Found it.

"Determining a word's number is only the beginning of the fun… Turning to one of  our number texts we find that "31" has several entries.  The two most important , in my opinion, are AL (אל) which is the simplest way to say God in Hebrew, and LA (לא) which means "not".  This reminds us of the first two [principles of my Kaballah teachings]; All is One, and All is Nothing.  Say what you want about Islam, but Allah is a great name for God!"

That makes a lot of sense. Do you know if that's pretty well known to muslims in general?


I do not know the stats on how many Muslims also study Jewish Kaballah.  Offhand, I'd say "very few".
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Post by: Jasper on April 02, 2009, 05:51:19 pm
Holy fucking shit.  I just got the latest Sony e-Reader, and it is so god damn excellent.

I already have a dozen or two of Roger's rants on it.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 02, 2009, 06:57:06 pm
So the e-reader has good PDF support?

I may have to get one of these things.
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Post by: Jasper on April 02, 2009, 07:06:05 pm
It does.  They're hard to read unformatted, but when you increase the magnification, the eReader just parses the text and displays it as magnified plaintext for you.  There are some instances where the word formatting doesn't work perfectly, so instead I can just use the zoom feature and get an actual closeup. 

So, yeah, it does PDFs pretty well.
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Post by: fomenter on April 02, 2009, 07:51:35 pm
i have a Sony 505 and love it, it does have some problems with certain pdf's and i am still looking for the conversion tricks to fix them, but so far i have been able to read W/o converting or convert 98% of the books i have tried.

if you find a good solution for the small % that is tough to convert let me know...

this will convert most troublesome pdfs easily and make them readable http://btjunkie.org/torrent/pdflrfwin-0-99-PDF-to-LRF-Converter-for-Sony-Reader-pdflrf/448665a738cec7e413e4773deb94f5098b19787e58e7
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Post by: Richter on April 02, 2009, 07:53:29 pm
I just got PDF viewing going on the iPod touch.  I could do with a slightly larger screen / device, but it's still good though.  
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Post by: Pariah on April 02, 2009, 08:27:41 pm
The Gunslinger.
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Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 02, 2009, 08:58:33 pm
Someone just bought me a gift book :)

It's The Prankster and the Conspiracy, the biography of Kerry Thornley. I'm about 5 chapters in and I can say:

Kerry was bonkers.

(at least in some sense ;-) )



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Post by: Triple Zero on April 02, 2009, 11:18:33 pm
i am still looking for a working pdf to text converter... so far the freeware i have tried doesn't work and the demo versions of commercial software either don't work or are so restricted it is impossible to tell if they work, if any body knows of a good program i would love to hear it, i am tired of seizing up my computer testing junk freeware and wasting my time testing commercial software that is to restricted to test..

this is what I did for two books to read on my mobile thingy:

- mailed the PDF to my gmail account
- "view attachment as HTML"
- saved the HTML
- transfer to device
- read with any kind of proper browser thing on the device

but, YMMV.
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Post by: -Kel- on April 02, 2009, 11:22:43 pm
I'm actually only reading text books right now and could use some good ficton. Any suggestions?
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Post by: Kai on April 04, 2009, 12:39:25 am
Reading How to Watch Television News by Neil Postman and Steve Powers.

Cf. 4 Arguments for the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander
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Post by: Corvidia on April 04, 2009, 02:19:55 am
Man in the High Castle--Philip K. Dick
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Post by: Kai on April 04, 2009, 02:49:22 pm
Finished How to Watch TV News.

Synopsis: This book is about watching news in the same way that How to Read Comics is about reading comics. Its so much more than that. My earlier comparison to 4 Arguments was apt. This is the book Jerry Mander would have wrote, had he written it today, with a good sense of humor and satire, and with the understanding that television is not going away.

Conclusion: Read it, if not to be informed, then for its similarity to how people talk around here. Powers and Postman put the issue in a frame that discordian-leaning people can identify with.

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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 05, 2009, 10:08:25 am
Just started Regenesis by CJ Cherryh and it's already fantastic.  I don't understand how nobody's heard of her, she's definitely the best sci fi writer I've ever read.
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Post by: Cain on April 05, 2009, 02:43:25 pm
I'm reading The Runaway : The Chronicles of a Spy in Medieval Europe during the Reign of Louis XI of France by Thierry Bontoux.  Its research for my own fantasy deconstruction story I've mentioned before.  I only hope he put as much research into espionage as he seems to have of the political situation in France at the time.

Just started Regenesis by CJ Cherryh and it's already fantastic.  I don't understand how nobody's heard of her, she's definitely the best sci fi writer I've ever read.

Sounds like a recommendation to me.  A few of her books seem to be on Demonoid, though I cannot see Regenesis among them.  Either way, I'll certainly check her stuff out
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Post by: fomenter on April 05, 2009, 07:02:06 pm
just finished - the easy way to stop smoking    by allen carr

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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 05, 2009, 10:21:10 pm
I'm reading The Runaway : The Chronicles of a Spy in Medieval Europe during the Reign of Louis XI of France by Thierry Bontoux.  Its research for my own fantasy deconstruction story I've mentioned before.  I only hope he put as much research into espionage as he seems to have of the political situation in France at the time.

Just started Regenesis by CJ Cherryh and it's already fantastic.  I don't understand how nobody's heard of her, she's definitely the best sci fi writer I've ever read.

Sounds like a recommendation to me.  A few of her books seem to be on Demonoid, though I cannot see Regenesis among them.  Either way, I'll certainly check her stuff out

It's a sequel, you have to read at minimum Cyteen and ideally Downbelow Station and Merchanter's Luck to really understand what's going on.
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Post by: Cain on April 05, 2009, 10:48:27 pm
Amazingly, I have downloaded...none of those books at all.

All I've found is:

Forty Thousand in Gehenna
Hestia
Rider at the Gate
The Goblin Mirror
Finity's End
Serpent's Reach
Tripoint
The Sword of Knowlegde - Omnibus

Oh, and the Foreigners series, which I'll download if I like the above.  If I ever get around to reading them.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 06, 2009, 03:15:01 am
Forty Thousand in Gehenna: part of Cyteen universe, very good
Hestia: never heard of it
Rider at the Gate: not part of that universe, but good
The Goblin Mirror: haven't read it, probably bad
Finity's End: part of that universe, good, will help you understand what's happened
Serpent's Reach: can't remember if I've read it
Tripoint: part of Cyteen universe
The Sword of Knowlegde - Omnibus: I think I've read some of it, it's bad

She's not a very good fantasy author, unfortunately.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 06, 2009, 03:16:29 am
Actually when I said Merchanter's Luck I actually meant Finity's End.  I'm not sure how much you'd be able to understand without reading Downbelow Station though.
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Post by: on April 07, 2009, 07:28:39 pm
Fucking trashed God Emperor of Doom.

Just finished:

Hells Angels by Hunter S. Thompson (my favorite of his so far)

&

American Gods by Neil Gaiman (much much better than Neverwhere)

Working up the balls to start on Gravity's Rainbow
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Post by: Corvidia on April 09, 2009, 09:28:12 am

American Gods by Neil Gaiman (much much better than Neverwhere)
Agreed.
Working up the balls to start on Gravity's Rainbow
:lol: GOOOD LUCK! I got halfway through it and I haven't ballsed up enough again to finish it. It's pretty daunting.

Slogging through Twilight again.
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Post by: Cain on April 09, 2009, 08:11:46 pm
Forty Thousand in Gehenna: part of Cyteen universe, very good
Hestia: never heard of it
Rider at the Gate: not part of that universe, but good
The Goblin Mirror: haven't read it, probably bad
Finity's End: part of that universe, good, will help you understand what's happened
Serpent's Reach: can't remember if I've read it
Tripoint: part of Cyteen universe
The Sword of Knowlegde - Omnibus: I think I've read some of it, it's bad

She's not a very good fantasy author, unfortunately.

Yeah, I decided to check her via TVTropes and they said her sci-fi stuff is certainly better.  Apparently she does the whole "aliens who are actually alien, not humans with silly names and special powers" thing quite well.

Looks like I'll be starting with the Cyteen universe stuff then.  Thanks!

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Slogging through Twilight again.

Damn, I really need to get on with this as well.  Difficult, when I have books on fascism and political psychology begging to be read.  Argh.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 10, 2009, 01:14:03 am
I just started The Emperor of Scent and then Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies arrived! Now I'm so torn.
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Post by: Corvidia on April 11, 2009, 07:01:58 am
I've dropped it for the time being. There's only so many times I can deal with sparkling vampires before I want to pluck my own eye balls out.


Swapped to The Essential Rumi. I loooove Rumi so it's a fantastic change.
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Post by: Pariah on April 11, 2009, 08:03:57 pm
Cold Mountain
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 12, 2009, 07:12:38 am
Forty Thousand in Gehenna: part of Cyteen universe, very good
Hestia: never heard of it
Rider at the Gate: not part of that universe, but good
The Goblin Mirror: haven't read it, probably bad
Finity's End: part of that universe, good, will help you understand what's happened
Serpent's Reach: can't remember if I've read it
Tripoint: part of Cyteen universe
The Sword of Knowlegde - Omnibus: I think I've read some of it, it's bad

She's not a very good fantasy author, unfortunately.

Yeah, I decided to check her via TVTropes and they said her sci-fi stuff is certainly better.  Apparently she does the whole "aliens who are actually alien, not humans with silly names and special powers" thing quite well.


Indeed. In the Chanur Saga, one species of alien has a multipart brain and only speaks in seven-part matrix sentences, so even when the words are translated it's still barely intelligible. Another species can't be communicated with at all, but still engages in trade.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on April 14, 2009, 05:56:15 pm
Forty Thousand in Gehenna: part of Cyteen universe, very good
Hestia: never heard of it
Rider at the Gate: not part of that universe, but good
The Goblin Mirror: haven't read it, probably bad
Finity's End: part of that universe, good, will help you understand what's happened
Serpent's Reach: can't remember if I've read it
Tripoint: part of Cyteen universe
The Sword of Knowlegde - Omnibus: I think I've read some of it, it's bad

She's not a very good fantasy author, unfortunately.

Started reading Cyteen, (along with The Prince and Learning Perl), its good, if a tiny bit dry (though given my other reading habits right now...).
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on April 15, 2009, 10:55:00 pm
Let's see..since I last posted: Finished the third book in the White Rose series (I actually liked it a lot)....Good Omens (LOVED it)...poked at Dune and am probably going to move onto End Of The Century by Chris Roberson.
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Post by: Epimetheus on April 18, 2009, 04:11:35 am
I'm reading Stranger in a Strange Land, and also reading Slaughterhouse-Five. I am loving both.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on April 18, 2009, 05:29:12 pm
Aghora: At the Left Hand of God - Robert Svoboda - first volume.
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Post by: Xooxe on April 19, 2009, 02:01:13 am
I'm going to read Romance of the Three Kingdoms soon (Cain kind of set the ball rolling by talking about it before.)

I bumped into a two-part Chinese film called Red Cliff which is based on part of the book. Both are on youtube (watch in HD to see subs), and I didn't think they were too bad. The music was pretty crap in places and it gets too sentimental but it was actually alright.

Can't wait to read the books.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DC1978DBF9202E54 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DC1978DBF9202E54)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4DFB0C4AA203A507 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4DFB0C4AA203A507)
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Post by: leonard koan on April 19, 2009, 06:40:33 pm
i'm reading the first part of michael moorcock's pyat series of books, Byzantium Endures  :? in the wake of a failed attempt at reading Pynchon's exhaustive and exhausting Gravity's Rainbow, i like his (pynchon's) style and a lot of his humour ("a SNAFU for Rocketman"), but after 5 weeks of trundling through it, i decided it wasn't for me (sometimes i still pick it up from where i left off and read a few pages- maybe in a year i'll have actually finsihed it, if the book hasn't fallen apart). though the crying of lot 49 was fucking ace, which i read previously, and which was the impetus for me picking up gravity's rainbow :? which is about a writer who compiles the writings of an unreliable and opnionated russian expat, up to and (in the other books i hear) during the war.

Drew

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Post by: leonard koan on April 19, 2009, 06:56:46 pm
i'm actually looking for a good modern british writer who deals with esoteric knowledge much in the style of umberto eco or pynchon, i know moorcock deals with this sort of stuff, but he seems to be the only one. good modern british writers are few and far between. please don't mention will self...he's not my tea, he really doesn't do taste for me.
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Post by: on April 22, 2009, 07:24:18 pm
Well, i 'm maybe a quarter of the way through Gravitys Rainbow and I have to take a break, I has job now, and also my local library has a couple books on hold for me. So for now I'm going to read Grimscribe, His Lives and Works by Thomas Ligotti, and I'll try to pick up on Gravitys Rainbow in a couple weeks (the annual Berkshire Hathaway stockholders meeting is coming up, and its a pretty busy time for all the restaraunts downtown here, so next week is going to be fucking crazy for me.)

So far, I like Gravitys Rainbow, but I DO see what all the fuss is about.
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Post by: Pariah on May 03, 2009, 12:59:53 am
Kingdom of Fear-Hunter S Thompson
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Post by: Cain on May 04, 2009, 03:29:34 pm
Now reading Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell

It's funny how like Episkopos Cain the main character is.

As my change in name suggests, I have managed to locate and download some of those books.

Oh dear.  This may result in me being even more me-like than I was before.
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Post by: popjellyfish on May 04, 2009, 11:15:14 pm
Accelerado by Charles Stross, and Jingo by Pratchett. It's been awhile since I've read a novel... enjoying.
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Post by: megatron on May 09, 2009, 05:08:52 am
The Master and Margarita. It's super fantastic, at least the forty pages I've gotten through. My attention span has been dwindling.

in the wake of a failed attempt at reading Pynchon's exhaustive and exhausting Gravity's Rainbow, i like his (pynchon's) style and a lot of his humour ("a SNAFU for Rocketman"), but after 5 weeks of trundling through it, i decided it wasn't for me (sometimes i still pick it up from where i left off and read a few pages- maybe in a year i'll have actually finsihed it, if the book hasn't fallen apart). though the crying of lot 49 was fucking ace, which i read previously, and which was the impetus for me picking up gravity's rainbow :? which is about a writer who compiles the writings of an unreliable and opnionated russian expat, up to and (in the other books i hear) during the war.
I loved the Crying of Lot 49! A friend of mine and I had a challenge of sorts to finish Gravity's Rainbow by the end of the year but I think we both kind of forgot.
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Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on May 09, 2009, 05:12:31 am
The Madness Season by CS Friedman.  It has vampires and aliens and yet still works.   :?
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Post by: Cain on May 12, 2009, 06:43:39 pm
The Modern Prince - Carnes Lord
Nietzsche's Machiavellian Politics - Don Dombowsky
Mercenaries: The History of an International Norm - Sarah Percy
Plan Like a Grandmaster - Alexei Seutin
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Post by: AFK on May 20, 2009, 03:10:05 pm
I've been reading the Book of Subgenius again.  It was initially thereputic reading while I was going through the turmoil surrounding my job.  I almost wish there was a book that split the difference between that and the PD.  The Book of Subenius is great until it goes into all of that stuff about the aliens and 1998.  The PD is great when it isn't so obsessed with being jokey. 
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Post by: Cain on May 20, 2009, 04:55:59 pm
I think that book is called "The Thief of Time"
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Post by: LMNO on May 20, 2009, 05:01:03 pm
I've been reading the Book of Subgenius again.  It was initially thereputic reading while I was going through the turmoil surrounding my job.  I almost wish there was a book that split the difference between that and the PD.  The Book of Subenius is great until it goes into all of that stuff about the aliens and 1998.  The PD is great when it isn't so obsessed with being jokey. 
I think that book is called "The Thief of Time"

:potd:
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 20, 2009, 06:27:47 pm
I'm rereading Mona Lisa Overdrive for the nth time. I'm also partway through Flow My Tears the Policeman Said.

I have taken to the habit of making copious yet cryptic notes in my books while reading, because for one thing, I occasionally pick up on something subtle in one reading that I may not get at all in another (especially word choice trends), and for another, occasionally I pick up on something that ends up on later readings to seem to be an entirely illusitory connection. By making notes and making them cryptic, I benefit from both. In this rereading of Mona Lisa Overdrive, I've taken this to the next step, colour coding words with coloured pencils on my hardcopy categorizing by metaphor system.

I intend to get back to reading Games People Play and Blood Music (which I was nearly finished with when I stopped reading it... I just never got back to it).
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Post by: Cramulus on May 20, 2009, 06:44:20 pm
that's a cool idea. I'm a notorious note-taker in margins. That's why I often prefer printouts to actual books - you feel less bad about marking them, crossing stuff out, getting in arguments in the margins.

I'm a big fan of Flow My Tears. I read it on a PKD binge that DCup set me on two years ago.
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Post by: LMNO on May 20, 2009, 06:45:43 pm
The Kindle has a keyboard where you can type your notes out.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 20, 2009, 07:32:23 pm
I'm not particularly far in Flow My Tears. PKD's writing style gets on my nerves a lot... It is very much early-60s scifi style, which is one of the two things I usually try very hard to avoid in sci fi (the other being post-singularity stuff so out there that it more closely resembles fantasy -- nanomachines that do everything or become everything being one of the staples). PKD's stuff is awesome if you can get through it, though.
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Post by: Cain on May 24, 2009, 04:40:52 pm
I'm downloading copes of "Republic", which is apparently "the Patriot Movement magazine" (obviously got tired of the Ron Paul Survival Report).

Hilarity will no doubt ensue, as I read page after page blaming "international bankers" of a certain ethnicity being the source of all our woes, and how trust in the Lord Jesus Christ can restore a racially pure America.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 24, 2009, 05:10:30 pm
Downloaded and read The Filth yesterday, in one sitting. Needless to say, my dreams were pretty fucked up last night.
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Post by: Bu☆ns on May 24, 2009, 05:34:18 pm
Was it the black sperms?  Or the Giant ones? 
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 24, 2009, 05:38:03 pm
Actually, it was the space monkeys and the garbage trucks with teeth. And Tony, the dying cat.
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Post by: Epimetheus on June 07, 2009, 11:18:58 pm
Downloaded and read The Filth yesterday, in one sitting. Needless to say, my dreams were pretty fucked up last night.

Nice! I didn't get to experience that after reading... :sad:
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Post by: Epimetheus on June 07, 2009, 11:19:46 pm
Anyway, I just starting reading Steppenwolf by Hesse.
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 03:59:48 am
I'm reading Imajica by Clive Barker.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 04:03:51 am
Fucking users manual for this new "Zune" thingie.

All this shit for a fucking walkman?  WTF?
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 04:15:49 am
Don't bother with the User's manual. Just figure it out as you go along. Much easier and much, much more interesting.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 04:24:26 am
Don't bother with the User's manual. Just figure it out as you go along. Much easier and much, much more interesting.

I'm STILL waiting for the fucking laptop software to download.  And I have a fucking CABLE MODEM.
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 04:24:56 am
Them's the breaks.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on June 08, 2009, 04:29:43 am
I finished Thud, and tried Hyperion again. Found out why it was so hard to get into: it's based on canterbury tales, which not only cannot I read the original (I don't speak middle english), but I have found almost all the modern-day adaptations I've come across horribly difficult to get into as well.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 04:35:57 am
Them's the breaks.

Them's the asswipes at Microsoft who decided not to fucking zip the file.

They are the FIRST bastards against the wall, come the revolution.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on June 08, 2009, 04:41:01 am

Them's the asswipes at Microsoft who decided not to fucking zip the file.

They are the FIRST bastards against the wall, come the revolution.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft employees are among the primary targets for most revolutionary efforts. You may do well to make an alliance.
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 04:51:25 am
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I'm pretty sure Microsoft employees are among the primary targets for most revolutionary efforts. You may do well to make an alliance.

True. Everyone wants them dead. Call my dad, he'll do the deed himself.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 04:56:58 am
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I'm pretty sure Microsoft employees are among the primary targets for most revolutionary efforts. You may do well to make an alliance.

True. Everyone wants them dead. Call my dad, he'll do the deed himself.

21 minutes remaining.

5 minutes ago, it had 7 minutes remaining.  Those bastards are taking the piss.
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 04:58:32 am
My response is a question mark. ???
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 08, 2009, 05:04:53 am
My response is a question mark. ???

KILL THEM!  KILL THEM ALL!
\
 :jihaad:
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Post by: The Wizard on June 08, 2009, 05:13:08 am
Ah. Understood
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Post by: Cain on June 08, 2009, 09:18:34 am
Fucking users manual for this new "Zune" thingie.

All this shit for a fucking walkman?  WTF?

Don't you have to pay monthly for that thing?  Some of the features, like being able to buy songs off the radio, seem pretty damn cool, but I have to say, the subscription fee is, for me, a big incentive to not bother.  I'm a pay-as-you-go kinda guy.

Oh yeah, reading.  Um, Andrew J Bacevich's The New American Militarism.

Pretty good, actually.  Bacevich reminds me of that guy who writes for the American Conservative, Daniel Larison.  Seem to have very similar viewpoints on the overreliance on military force as a tool of diplomacy, ie; that it is stupid.  Also doesn't really get caught up in the partisan bullshit that surrounds most foreign policy debates (he disparages both Carter and Reagan, and supported Obama in the last election, and considers himself a Catholic conservative). 
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Post by: Triple Zero on June 08, 2009, 12:58:27 pm
Software? That sucks, if you can't simply plug it into your computer just like it's a USBstick or external HD to simply copy MP3s on it, I dont care what features it has but I doesnt need it :)

myself I'm looking at one of these Iriver thingies by Samsumg, as long as they meet this requirement, they're the only ones I've seen that have support for OGG audio (which is what I decided to rip the larger part of my CD collection to, for better quality and because of patent issues with MP3 encoding back in the days)
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Post by: Cain on June 08, 2009, 01:11:47 pm
Most of them seem to come with software.  Naturally, the industry giants are the most guilty here.  My Zen player wasn't too bad...install the CD software, plug in the device and the rest is pretty intuitive and obvious to get the music on.  But it could have been less.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on June 08, 2009, 08:58:54 pm
Software? That sucks, if you can't simply plug it into your computer just like it's a USBstick or external HD to simply copy MP3s on it, I dont care what features it has but I doesnt need it :)

On *nix and macs, nearly everything shows up as a USB drive, even if it won't run without software on windows. The exception seems to be anything made by sony and (probably) the zune. That said, Microsoft would have been better off just making the zune show up as a USB drive everywhere except windows -- they are just regulating the market to windows users only, now, and non windows users aren't likely to pay monthly charges so they are just out the potential cash from sales.
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Post by: Triple Zero on June 09, 2009, 01:25:09 am
I thought the iPod required a bunch of extra stuff to install as well on *nix, no?
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on June 09, 2009, 02:53:46 am
I dunno. I've never connected an iPod to any of my machines. That said, even relatively expensive name brand stuff (aside from the Sony one) tends to register as a thumbdrive. I know that the iPod requires some software to do the DRM and iTunes music store crap, but I have no idea whether or not it will play music that hasn't been run through that. Presumably, since the whole thumbdrive thing is quick and easy and pretty standard (and thus, really cheap to design and develop around as a core -- you can have whatever formfactor and interface you want, and just use firmware for rendering the stuff on the flash chip in the desired manner, so my $99 mp3/video/ebook/watch had a system like that despite all the junk that went around it) anybody who doesn't do it is either dumb or has a lot to gain by not being compatible. Microsoft probably believes itself to fall into the latter category. Sony, IMO, falls into the former (hence the otherwise beautiful machine being effectively scrapped and barely heard of these days).
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 09, 2009, 05:17:10 am
Fucking users manual for this new "Zune" thingie.

All this shit for a fucking walkman?  WTF?

Don't you have to pay monthly for that thing?  Some of the features, like being able to buy songs off the radio, seem pretty damn cool, but I have to say, the subscription fee is, for me, a big incentive to not bother.  I'm a pay-as-you-go kinda guy.
There are options to either download an unlimited* number of songs per month or you can buy them individually for about $.99.  I have never bought a song off of the Zune software ever though. I just download mp3s the usual way and never have any problems putting them on my Zune.


*- You don't get to keep the songs permanently. If you stop your subscription then the songs go bye-bye.
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Post by: Cain on June 09, 2009, 09:44:30 am
Fucking users manual for this new "Zune" thingie.

All this shit for a fucking walkman?  WTF?

Don't you have to pay monthly for that thing?  Some of the features, like being able to buy songs off the radio, seem pretty damn cool, but I have to say, the subscription fee is, for me, a big incentive to not bother.  I'm a pay-as-you-go kinda guy.
There are options to either download an unlimited* number of songs per month or you can buy them individually for about $.99.  I have never bought a song off of the Zune software ever though. I just download mp3s the usual way and never have any problems putting them on my Zune.


*- You don't get to keep the songs permanently. If you stop your subscription then the songs go bye-bye.

Ah.  Yeah, that was what I was thinking of.  Well, so long as the other way is also an option.
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Post by: Kai on June 16, 2009, 07:22:50 pm
Angel Tech - A Alli
The Sacred Depths of Nature - U Goodenough
Religion is Not About God - L Rue
Dancing With the Sacred - K E Peters
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Post by: Thurnez Isa on June 16, 2009, 10:45:02 pm
Death from the Skies by Philip Plaint

just exploring astronomical doomsday scenarios, including alien invasion  :lulz:
only a little in, so far more entertaining then Bad Astronomy, which I enjoyed, so I guess that's kind of an endorsement
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 17, 2009, 03:08:18 am
Phil Plaitt is awesome. I haven't had a chance to read "Death from the Skies" yet. I'm waiting to find it in paperback.
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Post by: Spork on June 17, 2009, 03:38:24 am
The Loving Dominant (http://www.amazon.co.uk/LOVING-DOMINANT-John-Warren-Libby/dp/1890159727) by John and Libby Warren.

They didn't have BDSM for Idiots at my local love shack, so this was the next best thing.  I figure with the stakes in this scene as high as they are, I'd be better off (and so will she) if I RTFM first.

Details another time...






maybe.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on June 17, 2009, 08:49:55 am
A Cultural Theory of International Relations by Richard Ned Lebow (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cultural-Theory-International-Relations/dp/0521691885)

David Kilcullen's Accidental Guerrilla (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Accidental-Guerrilla-Fighting-Small-Midst/dp/1850659559/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245081486&sr=1-1)

And Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on June 17, 2009, 02:07:22 pm
I just started reading Nixonland, and so far I'm definitely impressed. Should be a good read :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Xooxe on June 24, 2009, 05:33:55 pm
Months ago, Cain briefly mentioned that the three writers who truly understood the twentieth century were Nietzsche, Foucault, and Kafka.

I've read the first two, but not Kafka, so I've just started reading The Trial. So far it's pretty good.  :)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on June 24, 2009, 05:37:46 pm
I'm about halfway through Pattern Recognition. I had been avoiding it, since Gibson plus present-day appeared likely to equal fail, but it's not half bad now that I've gotten into it. It seems that he's getting much closer to his roots as an english major trained in postmodern lit-crit as his career as a novelist progresses. That said, I found his prose to actually take a downturn here, but my taste in writing style is apparently very unusual (particularly with the type of critics who review the type of books Gibson writes).
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on June 24, 2009, 05:55:59 pm
Its one of his weaker works, but I like it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Spork on June 24, 2009, 08:45:08 pm
Revised Plants of the Pacific Northwest Coast (http://www.amazon.com/Plants-Pacific-Northwest-Coast-Washington/dp/1551055309/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245872320&sr=1-1) by Pojar and Mackinnon, commonly referred to as "Pojar".  I love this book.  I use it as a reference, and also as an escape, remembering flowers I've seen, and noting flowers I will see.

Today, I identified three beautiful white flowers:  Dwarf Dogwood, Coast Boykinia, and Bear-Grass.  I'll try to organize a link to the pictures.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 24, 2009, 10:08:39 pm
"Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution" (http://gigapedia.com/items:description?id=133961) By Karl Giberson.  Despite the title, there is very little Christian apologetics. It is mostly about the history of Young Earth Creationism. Interesting facts so far: modern Young Earth Creationism didn't exist until 1961. Before then almost no one disputed the age of the earth, including evangelical Christians. It wasn't until Philip Johnson Henry Morris dusted off an obscure Seventh Day Adventist text that YEC as we know it was born.

Edited for the getting the idiot's name wrong.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on June 24, 2009, 11:17:13 pm
"Saving Darwin: How to Be a Christian and Believe in Evolution" (http://gigapedia.com/items:description?id=133961) By Karl Giberson.  Despite the title, there is very little Christian apologetics. It is mostly about the history of Young Earth Creationism. Interesting facts so far: modern Young Earth Creationism didn't exist until 1961. Before then almost no one disputed the age of the earth, including evangelical Christians. It wasn't until Philip Johnson dusted off an obscure Seventh Day Adventist text that YEC as we know it was born.

I've heard of this book, its actually on my reading list. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Requia ☣ on June 25, 2009, 10:08:14 am

Them's the asswipes at Microsoft who decided not to fucking zip the file.

They are the FIRST bastards against the wall, come the revolution.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft employees are among the primary targets for most revolutionary efforts. You may do well to make an alliance.

I have a list of said employees i want to deal with personally.

Unfortunately they're all in fucking India.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: the last yatto on July 03, 2009, 06:35:19 am
today's book buys
necronomicon (ONLY A FUCKING DOLLAR TOO)
raw- everything is under control (7 bucks)
Douglas Adams- dirk gently's holistic detective agency (bbc radio broadcast)
Sayings of Confucius
Phillip k Dick - Dr. Bloodmoney or, How we got along after the Bomb first in reading que
Steven King- drawing of the three, DTV: Wolves of the Calla, the regulators & the stand (uberlong edition)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 03, 2009, 12:01:01 pm
I preferred the longer version of The Stand.  It added a lot to some of the characters.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 03, 2009, 07:49:12 pm
And better written.
Title: (missing post was replaced by picture)
Post by: the last yatto on July 03, 2009, 07:53:02 pm
the stand is bigger then the new international version of the bible (on top)
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7051/img0532quc.jpg) (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/img0532quc.jpg/)

And better written.
:lulz:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: the last yatto on July 03, 2009, 07:56:57 pm
even better apond showing wip the necronomicon
she goes all "THATS DARKSIDED" and rants about it
after about the 3rd your going to hell, i let her know about ZALGO

ps also got a copy of alice's adventures in wonderland (with illustrations by Jason Alexander) :fap:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Malachite on July 04, 2009, 09:39:32 pm
The Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C. Clarke.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: BigBadCalla on July 05, 2009, 06:06:27 am
"I Am a Strange Loop" by Douglas Hofstadter
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on July 05, 2009, 06:20:00 pm
I just started The Sandman by Neil Gaiman.  I was given the unbelievably gorgeous The Absolute Sandman Volume I for my birthday a few months ago, but I've been avoiding opening it because when I finish it the next three volumes are like $90 each.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 06, 2009, 07:50:48 pm
I finished Pattern Recognition, and I am nearly finished with The Difference Engine. Both turned out better than expected.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: That One Guy on July 06, 2009, 09:41:53 pm
I'm in the middle of Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon. Fascinating book, so many threads, subtexts, paranoias, characters, etc. that it can be ... interesting to keep track of everything on the first read-through. Good stuff, though.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 06, 2009, 11:59:17 pm
I started that several times. I should consider getting a dead tree copy.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Telarus on July 07, 2009, 11:29:28 am
Halfway through Colbert's I'm America, and So Can You.

Idea- wire a fairly loud speaker into a copy (I would try to go slim-line or you'll end up cutting out paper) which you could preload some good expressive Colbertisms, set the book out in public in a strange location or situation, say upright in the middle of the sidewalk. Make it loud enough that someone standing next to it would feel self conscious at the attention.

Play loud Colbertisms whenever someone reaches for the book or picks it up until they put it down again.


?????

Profit.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on July 07, 2009, 02:02:49 pm
 :lulz:



The Book of Pleasure - AOS

Let's paraphrase the Tao Te Ching and other eastern texts into the western tradition and the most unintelligible victorian language imaginable and expand 3 or 4 basic ideas into 30 some odd pages.  :argh!:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Demolition_Squid on July 09, 2009, 03:16:32 pm
Science and Sanity by Alfred Korzybski.

It's pretty heavy going. But I think I'm starting to get into it. His writing style really doesn't help his message though.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 09, 2009, 08:00:36 pm
I finished The Difference Engine and now I'm working on The Tao of Physics.

Squid, where did you find Science and Sanity? I really want to read it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Demolition_Squid on July 09, 2009, 08:24:27 pm
I bought it... cost me an arm and a leg too.  :x

There might be a way to get it, though, but I'm not sure about that so if anyone wants a link I'll PM it to them.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on July 09, 2009, 09:25:11 pm
I have it i'll send it ask for it via pm's.....I must warn....it's like 900 some page that could probably be condensed down into like 30.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on July 10, 2009, 06:37:34 pm
Still working through Angel Tech. Also, went back and picked up B Frantzis - Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body. I'm doing an analytical read this time, with the 8-circuit system in mind and seeing chi work as psychosomatics. Still working through L Rue - Religion is not about God.

Also reading:

Spinoza - Works
J Lockwood - Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on July 10, 2009, 08:20:15 pm
Still working through Angel Tech. Also, went back and picked up B Frantzis - Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body. I'm doing an analytical read this time, with the 8-circuit system in mind and seeing chi work as psychosomatics. Still working through L Rue - Religion is not about God.

Also reading:

Spinoza - Works
J Lockwood - Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War

Do you have anything to add about Angel Tech?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on July 10, 2009, 10:08:47 pm
Still working through Angel Tech. Also, went back and picked up B Frantzis - Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body. I'm doing an analytical read this time, with the 8-circuit system in mind and seeing chi work as psychosomatics. Still working through L Rue - Religion is not about God.

Also reading:

Spinoza - Works
J Lockwood - Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War

Do you have anything to add about Angel Tech?

One of the most useful books "I've ever read" (as I'm still reading it). Based on Leary's 8-circuit system of consciousness, it aims to provide a system for reprograming your robotic nature and selecting your reality. I should also say that Ratatosk actually went to the trouble of purchasing it for me, and I subsequently suggested it to Richter and several other people.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on July 10, 2009, 10:14:26 pm
Still working through Angel Tech. Also, went back and picked up B Frantzis - Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body. I'm doing an analytical read this time, with the 8-circuit system in mind and seeing chi work as psychosomatics. Still working through L Rue - Religion is not about God.

Also reading:

Spinoza - Works
J Lockwood - Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War

Do you have anything to add about Angel Tech?

One of the most useful books "I've ever read" (as I'm still reading it). Based on Leary's 8-circuit system of consciousness, it aims to provide a system for reprograming your robotic nature and selecting your reality. I should also say that Ratatosk actually went to the trouble of purchasing it for me, and I subsequently suggested it to Richter and several other people.

Oh i read it twice. :) i was just wondering if you had any opinions about it.  I'm also curious as to how it works within your model of emergence.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on July 11, 2009, 07:51:06 pm
Still working through Angel Tech. Also, went back and picked up B Frantzis - Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body. I'm doing an analytical read this time, with the 8-circuit system in mind and seeing chi work as psychosomatics. Still working through L Rue - Religion is not about God.

Also reading:

Spinoza - Works
J Lockwood - Six-Legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War

Do you have anything to add about Angel Tech?

One of the most useful books "I've ever read" (as I'm still reading it). Based on Leary's 8-circuit system of consciousness, it aims to provide a system for reprograming your robotic nature and selecting your reality. I should also say that Ratatosk actually went to the trouble of purchasing it for me, and I subsequently suggested it to Richter and several other people.

Oh i read it twice. :) i was just wondering if you had any opinions about it.  I'm also curious as to how it works within your model of emergence.

Oh lol. Consciousness is a system emergent from biology, thus based in biology and not violating biological rules but also a completely different system and following other rules as well. Angel Tech's first four circuits are survival circuits, required for humans as aspects of the consciousness system to continue (in the same way that metabolism is required to continue Life). These cover the physical, emotional, symbolic and social aspects of consciousness. The higher circuits are just extentions of these basic ones, expanding them as far as they (1-4) will go. So, Angel Tech over all seeks to understand and explain the consciousness emergence system from within it, and provide tools for the participant to exploit it through the improvement of your ability to absorb understand and communicate information and/or energy. It fits in just fine with Emergence.

I also need to remember that the 8-circuit system is only one map of many, and to really exploit the circuits I should be able to switch maps around at will, suited to the situation.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on July 11, 2009, 10:01:34 pm
That's pretty cool...would you agree with Leary's space migration ideas as a possibility for the continued process of emergence or do you see it going in a different direction?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 11, 2009, 10:28:21 pm
For what it's worth (and I don't plan to derail the thread, but I figured I'd mention this since it fits in the discussion ATM) I think the idea that RAW has occasionally mentioned offhand that circuits 5-8 are caused by the interaction of circuits 1-4 on different levels of self-referentiality or self-awareness is interesting, and that it makes more sense to me than the canon interpretation expoused by both RAW and Leary (which Angel Tech may or may not subscribe to) that these are in some sense pre-scripted or in explicit preparation for some future phenomena.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 12, 2009, 02:45:25 pm
Deleuze's Philosophical Lineage by Graham Jones and Jon Roffe
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 12, 2009, 03:53:43 pm
Its not too bad, actually.  It was also on the top of the pile of my imported library, so I read it last evening while everything else was being done.  The joys of a new computer means I have plenty to install.   Sample of the text:

Quote
In Aristotle’s schema, difference, in the form of specific difference, delineates identities within larger, indeterminate genera. The specific differentiae ‘rational’ and ‘winged’, for example, define the species ‘man’ and ‘bird’ within the genus ‘animal’. These differentiae literally ‘cut up’ the genus, ‘making the difference’ between its various species by constituting their respective essences. As Deleuze says, ‘genera are not divided into differences but divided by differences which give rise to corresponding species’ (DR 31). Furthermore, differentia are all positive – negative predicates such as ‘not-winged’ cannot specify, as ‘being not-winged’ leaves completely open what a thing actually is – and so their relation to one another is a relation of contrariety. These contraries, functioning as specifying differences, demarcate the extreme forms that various species can take while remaining within the common identity of their genus: an animal can be bipedal, quadrupedal, winged, etc. For this reason, Aristotle declares contrariety to be the greatest and most perfect difference (DR 30–2).

As Deleuze notes, this is an entirely relative maximum, contrariety being maximal only with respect to the requirements Aristotle sets out for substantial identity (DR 31–2). Strictly speaking, contradiction – the relation between, say, ‘existing’ and ‘not existing’, where the second term cannot be given positive formulation and is the absolute negation of the first – is a greater difference than contrariety. But as contradictories cannot both be predicated of species within the same genus, they are imperfect and extraneous to defi nition and essence (DR 31–2).

A certain kind of modern ‘orgiastic’ or ‘infinite representation’, exemplified by Hegelian dialectics, goes beyond Aristotle’s formulation, holding that contradiction or opposition is compatible with identity and is therefore the greatest difference (DR 44–6, 49–50). For Hegel, a thing’s identity is indeed constituted by its negative or contradictory relations to what it is not. Yet because both organic and orgiastic  representation analyse difference in terms of its compatibility with identity, Deleuze holds both approaches to stand convicted of never
reaching ‘difference in itself’.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 12, 2009, 07:38:48 pm
Its not too bad, actually.  It was also on the top of the pile of my imported library, so I read it last evening while everything else was being done.  The joys of a new computer means I have plenty to install.   Sample of the text:

Quote
In Aristotle’s schema, difference, in the form of specific difference, delineates identities within larger, indeterminate genera. The specific differentiae ‘rational’ and ‘winged’, for example, define the species ‘man’ and ‘bird’ within the genus ‘animal’. These differentiae literally ‘cut up’ the genus, ‘making the difference’ between its various species by constituting their respective essences. As Deleuze says, ‘genera are not divided into differences but divided by differences which give rise to corresponding species’ (DR 31). Furthermore, differentia are all positive – negative predicates such as ‘not-winged’ cannot specify, as ‘being not-winged’ leaves completely open what a thing actually is – and so their relation to one another is a relation of contrariety. These contraries, functioning as specifying differences, demarcate the extreme forms that various species can take while remaining within the common identity of their genus: an animal can be bipedal, quadrupedal, winged, etc. For this reason, Aristotle declares contrariety to be the greatest and most perfect difference (DR 30–2).

As Deleuze notes, this is an entirely relative maximum, contrariety being maximal only with respect to the requirements Aristotle sets out for substantial identity (DR 31–2). Strictly speaking, contradiction – the relation between, say, ‘existing’ and ‘not existing’, where the second term cannot be given positive formulation and is the absolute negation of the first – is a greater difference than contrariety. But as contradictories cannot both be predicated of species within the same genus, they are imperfect and extraneous to defi nition and essence (DR 31–2).

A certain kind of modern ‘orgiastic’ or ‘infinite representation’, exemplified by Hegelian dialectics, goes beyond Aristotle’s formulation, holding that contradiction or opposition is compatible with identity and is therefore the greatest difference (DR 44–6, 49–50). For Hegel, a thing’s identity is indeed constituted by its negative or contradictory relations to what it is not. Yet because both organic and orgiastic  representation analyse difference in terms of its compatibility with identity, Deleuze holds both approaches to stand convicted of never
reaching ‘difference in itself’.

Is that something like:
(http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/hegelvsaristotle.png)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 13, 2009, 08:31:40 pm
Sway: the Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior by Ori and Rom Brafman.

This is a very accessible, very easy read on a whole bunch of things most of us are already aware of. For the most part, it reinforces the idea that our preconceived notions strongly influence the way we perceive just about everything (big surprise, right?) by giving a bunch of examples. Loss aversion, value attribution, diagnostic bias, etc.

Not much new material here, but chock full of good examples of people's BIPs having a drastic effect on what they think is real and it's an easy read for people who don't enjoy wading through heavy jargon.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Ratonderio on July 15, 2009, 11:29:34 pm
Conversations on the Edge of Apocalypse - David Jay Brown  Contains RAW, Noam Chomsky, Ram Dass, George Carlin etc.
http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Edge-Apocalypse-Contemplating-Sheldrake/dp/1403965323

Also Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl because Poker Without Cards told me to.
http://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0671023373
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 17, 2009, 08:33:48 am
Undress Me in the Temple of Heaven by some chick

It's pretty funny. She tries too hard to set up anticipation/apprehension though.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 20, 2009, 09:50:01 pm
Bayou of Pigs.

ECH might find this interesting, its about the attempted Neo-Nazi coup on Dominica in 1981.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Brotep on July 21, 2009, 07:05:44 am
Mimesis - The Representation of Reality in Western Literature
by Erich Auerbach

like a boss
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on July 23, 2009, 04:03:36 pm
Still rolling through Angel Tech.

I've just about decided I'm done with Loyal Rue - Religion is not about God. I really like his deconstruction process (central myth with historical context, emotional appeals, and ancillary strategies, as well as religion being an evolutionary inducer of social cohesion and individual fullfillment) but his conclusions at the end are fatalistic and frankly not that interesting.

About halfway through Six Legged Soldiers. A good read, if you're into warfare and insects (for me, the latter much more than the former). The coverage of Shiro Ishii's entomological warfare in China during WWII is extensive.

Just started:

The Mind Map Book - T Buzan
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Thurnez Isa on July 23, 2009, 05:46:39 pm
Jesus, Interrupted by Bart Ehrman

basically a blooper book of things Jesus said that are complete contradictions, or just doesn't make sense

Only have like three chapters, but will be purchasing it sometime
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on July 24, 2009, 03:28:06 am
*cough* hxxp://gigapedia.com/items:links?id=303976 *cough*

Ehrman is awesome.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 24, 2009, 02:02:44 pm
The Lucifer Principle, by Phillip Zimbardo.

Yes, that Zimbardo, of the Stanford Prison Experiment.  Great book actually, I'm going to build on several of his observations, once I've had enough sleep to be able to write well.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on July 26, 2009, 05:07:42 pm
The Family, by Jeff Shartlet.

Well, this is creepy.

Quote
“Hey,” David said, “let’s talk about the Old Testament.” His voice was like a river that’s smooth on the surface but swirling beneath.
“Who”—he paused—“would you say are its good guys?”

“Noah,” suggested Ruggi, a  shaggy-haired guy from Kentucky with a silver loop on the upper ridge of his right ear.

“Moses,” ofered Josh, a lean man from Atlanta more interested in serving Jesus than his father’s small empire of shower door manufacturing.

“David,” Beau volunteered.

“King David,” David Coe said. “That’s a good one. David. Hey. What would you say made King David a good guy?” He giggled, not from nervousness but from barely containable delight.

“Faith?” Beau said. “His faith was so strong?”

“Yeah.” David nodded as if he hadn’t heard that before. “Hey, you know what’s interesting about King David?” From the blank stares of the others, I could see that they did not. Many didn’t even carry a full Bible, preferring a slim volume of New Testament Gospels and Epistles and Old Testament Psalms, respected but seldom read. Others had the whole book, but the gold gilt on the pages of the first two-thirds remained undisturbed.

“King David,” David Coe went on, “liked to do really, really bad things.” He chuckled. “Here’s this guy who slept with another man’s wife—Bathsheba,  right?—and then basically murdered her husband. And this guy is one of our heroes.”  David shook his head. “I mean, Jiminy Christmas, God likes this guy! What,” he said, “is that all about?”

“Is it because he tried?” asked Bengt. “He wanted to do the right thing?” Bengt knew the Bible, Old Testament and New, better than any of the others, but he offered his answer with a question mark on the end. Bengt was dutiful in checking his worst sin, his fierce pride, and he frequently turned his certainties into questions.

“That’s nice, Bengt,” David said. “But it isn’t the answer. Anyone else?”

“Because he was chosen,” I said. For the first time David looked my way.

“Yes,” he said, smiling. “Chosen. Interesting set of rules, isn’t it?”

He turned to Beau. “Beau, let’s say I hear you raped three little girls. And now here you are at Ivanwald. What would I think of you, Beau?”
Beau, given to bellowing Ivanwald’s daily call to sports like a bull elephant, shrank into the cushions. “Probably that I’m pretty bad?”

“No, Beau.” David’s voice was kind. “I wouldn’t.” He drew Beau back into the circle with a stare that seemed to have its own gravitational pull. Beau nodded, brow furrowed, as if in the presence of something profound.  “Because,” David continued, “I’m not  here to judge you. That’s not my job. I’m  here for only one thing. Do you know what that is?”

Understanding blossomed in Beau’s eyes. “Jesus?” he said.

David smiled and winked. “Hey,” he said. “Did you guys see Toy Story?” Half the room had. “Remember how there was a toy cowboy, Woody? And then the boy who owns Woody gets a new toy, a spaceman? Only the toy spaceman thinks he’s real. Thinks he’s a real spaceman, and he’s got to igure out what he’s doing on this strange planet. So what does Woody say to him? He says, ‘You’re just a toy.’ ” David sat quietly, waiting for us to absorb this. “Just a toy. We’re not really spacemen. We’re just toys. Created for God. For His pleasure, nothing  else. Just a toy. Period.”

He walked to the National Geographic map of the world mounted on the wall. “You guys know about Genghis Khan?” he asked. “Genghis was a man with a vision. He  conquered”—David stood on the couch under the map, tracing, with his hand, half the northern hemisphere—“nearly everything. He devastated nearly everything. His enemies? He beheaded them.” David swiped a finger across his throat. “Dop, dop, dop, dop.”

Genghis Khan’s genius, David went on, lay in his understanding that there could be only one king. When Genghis entered a defeated city, he would call in the local headman. Conversion to the Khan’s cause was not an option, as Genghis was uninterested in halfhearted deputies. Instead, said David, Genghis would have the man stufed into a crate, and over the crate’s surface would be spread a tablecloth, on which a wonderful meal would be arrayed.

“And then, while the man suffocated, Genghis ate, and he didn’t even hear the man’s screams.” David stood on the couch, a inger in the air. “Do you know what that means?”

To their credit, my brothers did not. Perhaps on account of my earlier insight, David turned to me.

“I think so,” I said. “Out with the old, in with the new.”

Yes, he nodded. “Christ’s parable of the wineskins. You can’t pour new into old.” One day, he continued, some monks from Europe show up in Genghis Khan’s court. Genghis welcomes them in the name of God. Says that in truth, they worship the same great Lord. Then why, the monks ask, must he conquer the world?  “I don’t ask,” says Genghis. “I submit.”

David returned to his chair. “We elect our leaders,” he said. “Jesus elects his.”  He reached over and squeezed the arm of Pavel. “Isn’t that great?” David said. “That’s the way everything in life happens. If you’re a person known to be around Jesus, you can go and do anything. And that’s who you guys are. When you leave  here, you’re not only going to know the value of Jesus, you’re going to know the people who rule the world. It’s about vision. Get your vision straight, then relate. Talk to the people who rule the world, and help  them obey. Obey Him. If I obey Him myself, I help others do the same. You know why? Because I become a warning. We become a warning. We warn everybody that the future king is coming. Not just of this country or that but of the world.” Then he pointed at the map, toward the Khan’s vast, reclaimable empire.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on July 27, 2009, 03:02:21 pm
I find it hard to believe that's non-fiction.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Brotep on July 27, 2009, 04:17:21 pm
Quote
His voice was like a river that’s smooth on the surface but swirling beneath.

 :lulz:
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Post by: Cain on July 27, 2009, 06:33:48 pm
Yeah, fortunately Sharlet's flowery prose is dying off, in the later chapters.  Maybe its a religious writer thing?  Being around people who quote scripture all day has to rub off on you somehow.
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Post by: LMNO on July 27, 2009, 06:47:49 pm
It would really suck if someone posted an hxxp link to a PDF of "The Family".


Because that would be wrong.
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Post by: Cain on July 27, 2009, 07:14:39 pm
http://gigapedia.com/redirect?hash=2fc1de9f5e68c8672e0f9c1640853328 or http://dl1.s25.ifile.it/xep4b9rm/0060559799.zip should do the trick.
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Post by: LMNO on July 28, 2009, 04:30:53 pm
So, I'm now reading both "Dead in Dallas", and "The Family".


I also have a dead tree re-issue of "House of Leaves" which I'll probably dig into after "The Family".
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Post by: Dimocritus on July 29, 2009, 08:11:27 pm
Not sure if some one has posted this. The Third Police Man by Flan O'Brien. I'm sure many of you have read it, but I just came across it and it's still fresh in my mind. Please don't ridicule me.
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Post by: LMNO on July 29, 2009, 08:13:27 pm
I read At Swim Two Birds, and that was enough for me.

Is Third Policeman just as fucked up?

Also, did you pick it up because of Lost?
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Post by: Dimocritus on July 29, 2009, 08:44:40 pm
I read At Swim Two Birds, and that was enough for me.

Is Third Policeman just as fucked up?

Also, did you pick it up because of Lost?

Haven't read that particular book, is that by O'Brien as well? Either way, it was fucked up. It tweaked my crazy-head without LSD :aaa:. And, no, it was actually suggested to me by my English professor, but it's weird that you ask that because, while I usually avoid television, LOST happens to be the only T.V. series that I have followed in years. What is the connection?
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Post by: LMNO on July 29, 2009, 08:46:17 pm
There was a shot of the cover in the bunker, or something.  I don't watch it, so this is only hearsay.

And yeah, same author.  Those fucking Irish writers...
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Post by: Dimocritus on July 29, 2009, 09:01:11 pm
There was a shot of the cover in the bunker, or something.  I don't watch it, so this is only hearsay.

And yeah, same author.  Those fucking Irish writers...

I hadn't heard of that one. I'll have to take a look at it if it's fikkin' crazy. He has some other stuff that he wrote about a fictional philosopher/idiot named deSelby that I haven't checked out yet but sounds really interesting. But, yeah, if you can get a copy of it, I highly suggest it. Preferably an old copy, so you can smell it. 
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Post by: Requia ☣ on July 30, 2009, 12:36:06 am
Psychology of the Internet
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on July 30, 2009, 12:48:21 am
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett. 

Only about a third of the way through but it's already my favorite Discworld novel. There are some extremely interesting concepts in it.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on July 30, 2009, 12:59:14 am
Ok, this author is pissing me the hell off.  Pushing the renaissance as some magic time when everyone in europe was discussing new ideas (never mind that half of the couldn't read, and less could afford paper).  A basic lack of understanding about the history of the internet.  She even mangles Descartes,

Oh, apparently the word 'Jeeves' means something completely different now, thanks to a dead search engine mostly famous for its annoying ads.  Oh! and the general public knows what 'worm' means (I really fucking wish they did, but they don't).

I'm gonna have to come back to this chapter and tear it apart some other time.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on July 30, 2009, 01:44:15 am
Ok, this author is pissing me the hell off.  Pushing the renaissance as some magic time when everyone in europe was discussing new ideas (never mind that half of the couldn't read, and less could afford paper).  A basic lack of understanding about the history of the internet.  She even mangles Descartes,

Oh, apparently the word 'Jeeves' means something completely different now, thanks to a dead search engine mostly famous for its annoying ads.  Oh! and the general public knows what 'worm' means (I really fucking wish they did, but they don't).

I'm gonna have to come back to this chapter and tear it apart some other time.

If you want a book on more or less that subject that doesn't appear to be quite so unresearched, I suggest Protocol by Alexander Galloway. I never finished it, because it was terribly dry, but the premise was interesting and I don't think it hung up so much on specifics.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on July 30, 2009, 02:24:15 am
Its actually really good so far except for the first chapter (each chapter has a different author).
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Post by: Captain Utopia on July 30, 2009, 06:16:06 am
The Family, by Jeff Shartlet.

Well, this is creepy.
... snip convoluted justifications for shirking personal responsibilities and investing them into a doomsday fairytale ...
I find it less creepy and more of a call to war - :argh!:
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Post by: Cain on July 30, 2009, 12:43:11 pm
The Tragic Vision of Politics by Richard Ned Lebow

In short, a book about how realists are idiots who have misread and mangled Thucydides, Clausewitz and Hans Morgenthau to fit their own ideologically blinkered and ethically bankrupt viewpoint.  Also, Lebow is fast becoming my favourite Constructivist author...far more readable than Wendt, too.

A Very Short Introduction to the Roman Empire by Christopher Kelly

From the Oxford printing press' VSI series, which are great if you want an informed, but not overly academic or complex text on a particular topic.

Critical Practices in International Theory: Selected Essays by James Der Derian.  I'd never heard of this guy before, but apparently he's some hot-shot Rhodes Scholar who combines the English School and aspects of postmodernism to IR, so he's likely worth a read.
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Post by: LMNO on July 30, 2009, 02:44:44 pm
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett.  

Only about a third of the way through but it's already my favorite Discworld novel. There are some extremely interesting concepts in it.


Yeah, that's one of my faves, too.





















....yes, I just said "faves".  I expect to be on Richter's language List any minute now.
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Post by: Dimocritus on July 30, 2009, 04:49:22 pm
One of my personal favorites which, again, I'm sure most of you have read: Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche. That book is almost like my personal bible. 
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Post by: Brotep on July 31, 2009, 08:10:05 pm
One of my personal favorites which, again, I'm sure most of you have read: Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche. That book is almost like my personal bible. 

What a coincidence, I'm reading the Bible!
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Post by: Roaring Biscuit! on July 31, 2009, 11:33:48 pm
I read some of the Bible recently.  it was fucking ace.   I actually just read Revelations

Dragons and "the wine-press of god's wrath"

complete and utter win.

right now i am just about to start "friends like these" by danny wallace, expect me to be full of blind optimism for the next few weeks
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Post by: LMNO on August 01, 2009, 04:09:01 pm
Finished the Stackhouse book. An a rare occurrence where the show is better than the book.

Anyway, digging into "The Family", and it's scary as hell, if it's as true as it sounds.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on August 06, 2009, 07:26:03 am
Anne Norton - Leo Strauss and the Politics of American Empire

An interesting look into American political philosophy and life at University, as well as something of an insight into the self-proclaimed "Straussian" aspect of the NeoConservative movement.  Some people claim its gossipy (which it sort of is) and shows the author is working outside of her area of expertise (I'm not sure how, since she is a Professor in Political Science and Chicago school graduate), but it is nonetheless interesting, if for nothing more than highlighting the intellectual climate and history of political philosophy in America, as well as the ideological quirks of many of Strauss' students.
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Post by: Triple Zero on August 06, 2009, 08:44:58 am
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett. 

Only about a third of the way through but it's already my favorite Discworld novel. There are some extremely interesting concepts in it.

it's awesome, one of the best. I like Thief of Time slightly better but this one is a very close second.
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Post by: Kai on August 07, 2009, 07:00:08 pm
Finally finished angel tech not too long ago. I swear, this must be one of those books Adler and van Doren would say is at the top of my book pyramid, that every time I go back the book has grown with information.

Did a brief inspectional read of J Gribbin - Deep Simplicity and Amsier - The Languages of Creativity. The former was notable in having a chapter mostly on Emergence and Stuart Kauffman, though from his earlier works and not Reinventing the Sacred. Also read Preston and Child - Cemetery Dance, the new Pendergast novel. Was quite good (one of the classic main characters is killed off in the first few pages; these guys don't fuck around with plot).

Reading Currently:

Close - The Void
Six Legged Soldiers
RAW - Prometheus Rising
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Post by: Bu☆ns on August 12, 2009, 12:22:07 am
Quantum Psycholoy- RAW
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Post by: Kai on August 13, 2009, 06:45:51 pm
Reading RAW - Prometheus Rising, now.

Soon to be starting:

E Abby - Desert Solitare (something a very dear friend recommended last year when I was still reeling from Childs - The Secret Knowledge of Water)
Homer - Odyssey (Sing to me, O Muse...)
CR Hyde - Pay it Forward (saw the movie, never read the book)
EL Doctorow - City of God (I think H Bloom has this on his reading list in the back of The Western Cannon)
J London - Call of the Wild (Read it years ago, don't remember)
J Grisham - The Street Lawyer (probably my favorite lawyer novel, after The Client)
D Koontz (some throwaway thriller I can't remember the title. should be entertaining.)

The last five were all in a package from me mum.

Classes start next Wednesday.
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Post by: Cain on August 13, 2009, 08:32:41 pm
In Their Own Words: Voices of Jihad, compiled by David Aaron (Jihadist statements on a number of issues, helpfully catergorised)
Fiasco, by Thomas E. Ricks (the Iraq war, a behind the scenes examination of a clusterfuck)
The Virtuous Life in Greek Ethics, by Burkhard Reis, editor (self-explanatory)
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Post by: Pariah on August 14, 2009, 12:29:44 am
E Abby - Desert Solitare (something a very dear friend recommended last year when I was still reeling from Childs - The Secret Knowledge of Water)

That's the next on my list. Right now I'm reading The Fool's Progress, also by Abbey
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Post by: Kai on August 14, 2009, 01:21:00 am
E Abby - Desert Solitare (something a very dear friend recommended last year when I was still reeling from Childs - The Secret Knowledge of Water)

That's the next on my list. Right now I'm reading The Fool's Progress, also by Abbey

I just started [Desert Solitaire] this afternoon. It's seriously an orgasmic read, just, mmmmmmmmmmmm. Just something about his description that gets me breathing faster and giggling to myself. Very pleasurable.
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Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 14, 2009, 01:31:04 am
Small Gods - Terry Pratchett. 

Only about a third of the way through but it's already my favorite Discworld novel. There are some extremely interesting concepts in it.

it's awesome, one of the best. I like Thief of Time slightly better but this one is a very close second.

Thief of Time is brilliant. Im partial to anything of his containing the Nac Mac Feegle.. "Nae Laird, Nae Master, Nae King, Nae Quin.. We'll nae be fooled agin!" 

They kinda remind me of Payne.
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Post by: Pariah on August 14, 2009, 04:56:01 am
E Abby - Desert Solitare (something a very dear friend recommended last year when I was still reeling from Childs - The Secret Knowledge of Water)

That's the next on my list. Right now I'm reading The Fool's Progress, also by Abbey

I just started [Desert Solitaire] this afternoon. It's seriously an orgasmic read, just, mmmmmmmmmmmm. Just something about his description that gets me breathing faster and giggling to myself. Very pleasurable.

This book is the same sort of way. I hardly ever laugh out loud at reading but shit this guy is funny.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 14, 2009, 07:30:02 am
Bruce M. Hood - Supersense: Why We Believe in the Unbelievable

Pretty good so far. Reminds me a lot of "Breaking the Spell" which I loved to death. The difference in them is that with "Breaking the Spell" I learned why people believe in stupid shit. With "Supersense" I'm realizing that I believe in stupid shit too, there's probably no way to avoid believing in stupid, and life would probably suck if you did.
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Post by: Richter on August 14, 2009, 04:52:43 pm
Thanks to work my brain has enough seriousness at the end of each day.  Comparison / annotation of PR / Angel Tech is getting sidelined in favor of Eisenhorn.  (For the Emperor!)
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Post by: Eater of Clowns on August 15, 2009, 11:40:01 pm
Thief of Time - Terry Pratchett

Picked it up today after resounding recommendation.
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Post by: Cain on August 17, 2009, 08:50:30 am
Government of the Shadows: Parapolitics and Criminal Sovereignty by Eric Wilson and Tim Lindsey

Apparently, parapolitics is now an actual academic discipline, which I must admit finding interesting.  Apparently, with the fallout of the whole Gladio thing in the 90s, and more info on MK-Ultra, Mafia informants etc coming to light, academics wanted to study it, but didn't have the conceptual and analytic tools to go about it.  This book seems to show some progress on getting those, and putting them into practice.  Its actually very good, I will likely quote from it and build on it later.

Nomads, Empires, States: Modes of Foreign Relations and Political Economy, Volume 1 by Kees van der Pijl

IR theoretical text, you know the drill.
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Post by: the last yatto on August 20, 2009, 05:17:51 am
almost done with TCI, WOW just wow i need to reread it again

and next is
 Gods in the global village
or the world's religions in sociological perspective
by Lester Kurtz

wip is finally reading tao of pooh
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Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 20, 2009, 11:22:27 am
 Crooked Little Vein by Warren Ellis.
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Post by: LMNO on August 20, 2009, 01:29:56 pm
That one kind of disappointed me.  I guess I was looking for something more.
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Post by: Kai on August 20, 2009, 02:00:27 pm
J London -Call of the Wild-White Fang
Doctorow- City of God
The Complete Cladist
Animal Behavior
Insect Behavior
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on August 23, 2009, 03:59:45 am
Over the week+ that I was away from the intertubes, I ended up reading a lot. Here's my list:

- John A Keel - The Mothman Prophecies
- Chris Hyatt - Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation
- Jacques Vallee - Confrontations
- Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia
- Jacques Vallee - Revelations
- parts of:
-- Charles Fort - Parade of the Damned
-- Agent 139 - Join My Cult
-- Peter Carrol - Liber Null
-- Anarchy for the masses: The Disinfo guide to The Invisibles
- Pop Magic Zero! by Grant Morrison
- Jacques Vallee - The Physics of High Strangeness
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Post by: Corvidia on August 23, 2009, 05:25:52 am
Writing Women's Worlds, Bedouin Stories by Lila Abu-Lughod. Pretty good so far.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 23, 2009, 05:38:21 am
I just picked up Daniel Dennett's "Freedom Evolves" today. Don't know when I'll actually have a chance to read it. He has some interesting theories on free will, it seems. Conversations about free will typically either bore me or make me feel extremely paranoid so there is a good possibility that I will never finish it.
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Post by: Cain on August 23, 2009, 12:40:50 pm
Conversations about free will typically either bore me or make me feel extremely paranoid

I'm pretty much the same, though usually the former because most people seem to take a simple binary position of "YOU HAVE ABSOLUTE FREE WILL" or "EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE IS DETERMINED, INCLUDING YOUR NEGATIVE REACTION TO THIS.  YOU ARE A COG IN A MACHINE, WITH SELF-AWARENESS AND NOTHING MORE", and there is no nuance at all.  Everything I've read on neuroscience and so on suggests it is a hell of a lot more complex than that, which also meshes well with my general rule of thumb: the world is more complex than we think it is.

But I haven't done too much reading on free will in the past 5 years or so, maybe things have improved.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on August 23, 2009, 12:46:47 pm
Meh. I have been more irritated by the idea that these two binary positions are somehow at odds. You may be fully deterministic from the POV of a full understanding of physics, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to think of yourself that way. Determinism is a valid model for physics, but not for vacation planning. The other side is that as soon as you take into account your own deterministic actions, they immediately become more complex since you start feeding into yourself on a higher level of abstraction.
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Post by: MMIX on August 23, 2009, 02:34:54 pm

[snip]

But I haven't done too much reading on free will in the past 5 years or so, maybe things have improved.

I love the implication in your reply that they may be able to come up with a cure . . . [/only partly tongue in cheek]
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Post by: That One Guy on August 27, 2009, 03:03:57 pm
Currently reading The Crying of Lot 49 by Pynchon. So far it's a damn good time (I'm only about 30 or 40 pages into it and it's just starting to get rolling), and I just picked up almost all of his books other than the newest one, so I'll be working my way through them in the next couple weeks.

As much as I liked Gravity's Rainbow (which I really liked), this one is much more accessible. GR needed a pretty sizable effort to stay on top of the characters and underlying motivations (which made it so good), and it's really interesting to get that same writing style in a story that's much more straightforward than GR in Lot 49 while still keeping that sense of the absurd-as-normal that wound through the narrative in GR. WASTE, indeed!
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Post by: dr retard on September 09, 2009, 09:31:09 am
Currently reading: Jean Ferry, Le mécanicien et autres contes.
in a swedish translation, translations are very unreliable.
I dont trust them at all.

The book it pretty nice, but i cant stop wondering how it would
be if i could read french. Irritating.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on September 09, 2009, 11:33:46 am
I'm a quarter of the way through Forbidden Science. I have been on a Vallee/Keel kick recently, and got through Our Haunted Planet on top of the stuff listed earlier in the thread.

One of these days, though, I plan to handwrite margin notes in my dead tree copy of the Illuminatus trilogy, because the references seemed far more obvious when I looked through last night to figure out what RAW had gotten when he translated "serpent power" into german.
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Post by: Corvidia on September 10, 2009, 12:51:07 am
A Pirate of Exquisite Mind: The Life of William Dampier by Diana and Micheal Preston. After three years of sitting on a bookshelf, it's finally aired out enough I can read it (my grandparents both smoke like chimneys and I hate the smell of stale smoke).
Very, very good so far.
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Post by: Halfbaked1 on September 10, 2009, 09:50:19 am
I recently read Collapse, I forget who wrote it, but it was a riveting good read about the collapse of civilizations in general.  I am terrible at remembering authors these days, but if someone would point me at some good material I would certainly appreciate it.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 11, 2009, 03:52:59 pm
I recently read Collapse, I forget who wrote it, but it was a riveting good read about the collapse of civilizations in general.  I am terrible at remembering authors these days, but if someone would point me at some good material I would certainly appreciate it.

Jared Diamond, of Guns, Germs, and Steel fame. I have yet to read Collapse though.
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Post by: AFK on September 15, 2009, 02:51:43 pm
For once I have something to contribute to this thread.

I am starting to read The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

It's kinda work related.  I'm going on this retreat/excursion thing out on one of the Maine islands with a local health coalition.  We're going to have a mini book-club where we discuss the introduction and 1st chapter with the author. 

Anyway, the book is centered around this idea of "Tipping Points", where a concurrence of events on the margins combine to enact a large scale and sudden change on something.  In the intro the two examples given are the crime rate in a couple of Brooklyn neighborhoods and the resurgence of the Hush Puppies shoe brand.  Back in the mid/late 90s the Hush Puppy shoe brand was on the way out.  Nobody but a few die-hards in their 50s wore them.  But, some kids from SoHo started wearing them.  A couple of clothing designers picked up on this and had models wear them as accessories to compliment their clothing lines.  It picked up from there and all of a sudden Hush Puppies were the rage with the couture crowd. 

It's a pretty interesting book and I'll share any other pertinent nuggets as I move through the book. 
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Post by: Captain Utopia on September 15, 2009, 03:15:59 pm
My impression of Malcolm Gladwell is that he writes interesting stories about coincidence and correlation and sprinkles some pseudo-science on top to make the reader feel smart and empowered. Readers like feeling smart and empowered.
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Post by: AFK on September 15, 2009, 03:18:35 pm
I'll be sure to share that with him when I see him on Thursday. 
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Post by: Cain on September 15, 2009, 03:30:27 pm
I just finished The Family.  Now I have fundamentalist insanity in my memories, and it wont go away.
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Post by: LMNO on September 15, 2009, 03:53:29 pm
That book is still shaping my thoughts.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 23, 2009, 02:32:19 am
For once I have something to contribute to this thread.

I am starting to read The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

It's kinda work related.  I'm going on this retreat/excursion thing out on one of the Maine islands with a local health coalition.  We're going to have a mini book-club where we discuss the introduction and 1st chapter with the author. 

Anyway, the book is centered around this idea of "Tipping Points", where a concurrence of events on the margins combine to enact a large scale and sudden change on something.  In the intro the two examples given are the crime rate in a couple of Brooklyn neighborhoods and the resurgence of the Hush Puppies shoe brand.  Back in the mid/late 90s the Hush Puppy shoe brand was on the way out.  Nobody but a few die-hards in their 50s wore them.  But, some kids from SoHo started wearing them.  A couple of clothing designers picked up on this and had models wear them as accessories to compliment their clothing lines.  It picked up from there and all of a sudden Hush Puppies were the rage with the couture crowd. 

It's a pretty interesting book and I'll share any other pertinent nuggets as I move through the book. 

Jesus Monkeybutt Crisco, I just opened this thread to say I'm reading the same book, and this was the first new post I read.

There is distinct overlap with some of the stuff dealt with in Art of Memetics, but without the brain-straining jargon. This pleases me.
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Post by: Pariah on September 23, 2009, 03:54:23 am
Desert Solitaire
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2009, 02:03:42 pm
everything I can lay my hands on about goldfish & Betta fish.

They go well with white wine and garlic butter.
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Post by: Jenne on September 23, 2009, 02:08:56 pm
I just finished The Family.  Now I have fundamentalist insanity in my memories, and it wont go away.

fuckit.  I'm buying this book today, reading it, and then passing it around to my whole famdamily.
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Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2009, 02:12:22 pm
You can probably find a pdf of it on a torrent somewhere.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jenne on September 23, 2009, 02:28:06 pm
I have folks that are allergic to reading on a computer.
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Post by: Cain on September 23, 2009, 03:38:46 pm
You make Baby Jesus-plus-Nothing cry when you undermine capitalism, anyway.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jenne on September 23, 2009, 03:54:33 pm
Well, I want to eventually send it to my dad...so getting an actual physical book is necessary on that front...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on September 23, 2009, 03:57:40 pm
You make Baby Jesus-plus-Nothing cry when you undermine capitalism, anyway.


That phrase will haunt me for weeks.


It's like a summary of everything I find badwrong about those fuckers.
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Post by: Dimocritus on September 24, 2009, 02:27:39 am
"Rappacinni's Daughter" a short story by Nathaniel Hawthorne.

"Resistance, Rebellion and Death" Albert Camus.

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Post by: Cain on September 27, 2009, 01:28:17 pm
David Weber - On Basilisk Station

The first of his Honor Harrington series, which is meant to be pretty good military sci-fi, at least according to TV Tropes.  Also all the books except the most recent one are legally available for free download by the author, which is a plus.  Can be a little strawman political at times (conservatives = bad, liberals = bad, concerned and noble centrists = good) but otherwise not bad, so far.

Nuclear Risk Reduction in South Asia - Henry L Stimson

Pertinent reading, considering recent events.  Goes into a lot of detail about how political insecurity between India and Pakistan is fuelling the likelihood of nuclear war breaking out.
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Post by: Telarus on September 27, 2009, 09:14:44 pm
For once I have something to contribute to this thread.

I am starting to read The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

It's kinda work related.  I'm going on this retreat/excursion thing out on one of the Maine islands with a local health coalition.  We're going to have a mini book-club where we discuss the introduction and 1st chapter with the author. 

Anyway, the book is centered around this idea of "Tipping Points", where a concurrence of events on the margins combine to enact a large scale and sudden change on something.  In the intro the two examples given are the crime rate in a couple of Brooklyn neighborhoods and the resurgence of the Hush Puppies shoe brand.  Back in the mid/late 90s the Hush Puppy shoe brand was on the way out.  Nobody but a few die-hards in their 50s wore them.  But, some kids from SoHo started wearing them.  A couple of clothing designers picked up on this and had models wear them as accessories to compliment their clothing lines.  It picked up from there and all of a sudden Hush Puppies were the rage with the couture crowd. 

It's a pretty interesting book and I'll share any other pertinent nuggets as I move through the book. 

Jesus Monkeybutt Crisco, I just opened this thread to say I'm reading the same book, and this was the first new post I read.

There is distinct overlap with some of the stuff dealt with in Art of Memetics, but without the brain-straining jargon. This pleases me.

I'm reading through Outliers right now. He has an interesting writing style.
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Post by: Cain on September 28, 2009, 08:37:22 am
Oh, I forgot to add: Honor Harrington is basically Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE!

Which explains quite a lot, actually.
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Post by: LMNO on October 26, 2009, 07:04:50 pm
I'm reading Neal Stephenson's "Anathem", thanks to Cain.

It's another huge book of speculative (science-ish) fiction, but I feel it's much better written than "Quicksilver".  Maybe I just like the subject matter better.


Anyway, I'd reccomend it.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 26, 2009, 07:06:11 pm
Nothing at the moment.

But I just spent $320 buying everything ever done by Warren Ellis that I don't already have.  Amazon better get on the fucking stick, too.
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Post by: LMNO on October 26, 2009, 07:07:04 pm
Feel free to skim "Crooked Little Vein".  Interesting descriptions, but not much guts behind it.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 26, 2009, 07:07:18 pm
Oh, I forgot to add: Honor Harrington is basically Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE!

Which explains quite a lot, actually.

I tried that series, but it involves a telepathic cat, so it gets the TGRR Dented Wall Award.
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Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 26, 2009, 07:09:08 pm
Feel free to skim "Crooked Little Vein".  Interesting descriptions, but not much guts behind it.

Already read it.  You're right...the word play is amazing, but the story is as thin as Karen Carpenter.

But again, the writing style buys a lot.
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Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 26, 2009, 08:26:00 pm
Read recently:

Stardust by Neil Gaiman

Thud! by Terry Pratchett

Rabbit, Run by John Updike

Now reading Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy
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Post by: Cain on October 27, 2009, 09:12:41 am
Oh, I forgot to add: Honor Harrington is basically Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE!

Which explains quite a lot, actually.

I tried that series, but it involves a telepathic cat, so it gets the TGRR Dented Wall Award.

I'm surprised the political strawmen didn't do you in first.  David Weber really, really, REALLY likes centrists.  And really hates liberals, progressives, conservatives, republicans and any sort of welfare state.
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Post by: Cain on October 27, 2009, 09:14:15 am
Oh, forgot to add, reading:

The Invisible Hook: Economics of Piracy
A Very Short Introduction to Dada and Surrealism
The Encyclopedia of Psychology and Religion
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Post by: rygD on October 27, 2009, 10:42:38 am
Cain, are those last two worthwhile for someone already familiar with the material covered?  Looking at amazon  says The Encyclopedia of Psychology and Religion is not out, but seems I may enjoy it, however for that price There are some other books I have wanted that are in very limited supply.
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Post by: Cain on October 27, 2009, 10:58:24 am
The VSI series always makes good introductory material, but if you're already familiar with the subject it is covering, then chances are it will be merely enjoyable reading.

Are you sure it's not out yet, the Religion and Psychology Encyclopedia?  It's the Springer version.  I'm only a little way through, but it seems interesting enough, contrasting religious themes like the sacrafice of Abraham, or Adam and Eve, with psychoanalytic, Jungian and (sometimes) other psychological explanations.  I'm not entirely convinced by those particular schools as bodies of thought, but when thinking about religious symbology and themes I suppose they are useful enough.  It's also fairly lengthy, with over a thousand pages.
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Post by: Cain on October 27, 2009, 10:14:56 pm
Oops, dropping everything.  Slavoj Zizek has a new book out called "First As Tragedy, Then As Farce".  And its about the economic crisis, too.  Should be good, if a little pretentious (but then, that goes with the territory.  I mean, he even approvingly uses the New Republic quote about him being the most dangerous philospher in the west on the book cover).
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on October 28, 2009, 12:22:05 am
I'm about halfway through Jerry Coyne's "Why Evolution is True". It's mostly stuff I already knew but he goes into good detail on everything. The sections on biogeography and natural selection are particularly good.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on October 28, 2009, 12:46:45 am
I'm about halfway through PKD' The Martian Time-Slip, and I think I'm catching onto the foreshadowing.
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Post by: Cain on October 28, 2009, 02:58:34 pm
Oops, dropping everything.  Slavoj Zizek has a new book out called "First As Tragedy, Then As Farce".  And its about the economic crisis, too.  Should be good, if a little pretentious (but then, that goes with the territory.  I mean, he even approvingly uses the New Republic quote about him being the most dangerous philospher in the west on the book cover).

This was good.  I need to read it again.  It also reminded me that we need to saint Chairman Mao.
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Post by: rygD on October 28, 2009, 03:34:27 pm
Are you saying you already finished reading it?  With just work, edumacation and looking for the best prices on things with which to arm my family before my Commander in Chief takes away our ability to buy them, I currently have almost no time to read.  How the fuck do you find time and money for books like you do?
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Post by: Cain on October 28, 2009, 03:45:57 pm
Well, money-wise, I pirate ebooks, so that is not a problem.

Time-wise, I am an insomniac, which helps (sometimes, when not too exhausted to read) and also, thanks to the recession, work about 20 hours a week, give or take.  Given I'd only be spending any extra money I made on books anyway, most likely, this arrangement works out well.
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Post by: The Wizard on October 29, 2009, 12:19:02 am
Currently reading:

Illuminatus (well re-reading)

The Eternal Prison by Jeff Somers (good piece of SF noir)

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (also re-reading)

And finally Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson (my personal hero)
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Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 29, 2009, 12:26:31 am
Comics and Sequential Art - Will Eisner
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Post by: Xooxe on October 30, 2009, 12:45:47 pm
I ordered Wetware: A Computer In Every Living Cell and I can't wait for it to arrive. Here's the product blurb from Amazon:

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How does a single-cell creature, such as an amoeba, lead such a sophisticated life? How does it hunt living prey, respond to lights, sounds, and smells, and display complex sequences of movements without the benefit of a nervous system? This book offers a startling and original answer.

In clear, jargon-free language, Dennis Bray taps the findings of the new discipline of systems biology to show that the internal chemistry of living cells is a form of computation. Cells are built out of molecular circuits that perform logical operations, as electronic devices do, but with unique properties. Bray argues that the computational juice of cells provides the basis of all the distinctive properties of living systems: it allows organisms to embody in their internal structure an image of the world, and this accounts for their adaptability, responsiveness, and intelligence.

Guessing it will go into gene expression and protein signaling.
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Post by: rygD on October 30, 2009, 01:13:15 pm
Well, money-wise, I pirate ebooks, so that is not a problem.

Time-wise, I am an insomniac, which helps (sometimes, when not too exhausted to read) and also, thanks to the recession, work about 20 hours a week, give or take.  Given I'd only be spending any extra money I made on books anyway, most likely, this arrangement works out well.

So it is the work thing.  I also steal ebooks, although I frequently purchase many of them.   I also decided to invest in one of the previous generation ebook readers from Sony to make it more convenient to read.  Now if only I had more time to read.

"And the best thing, the very best thing of all, is there's time now.  There's all the time I need and all the time I want.  Time, time, time.  Ahhhh, there's time enough at last!"
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 30, 2009, 06:30:39 pm
How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker
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Post by: rygD on October 30, 2009, 08:22:53 pm
Oh, by the way, sent a message to the gentleman who mentioned ebooks.  Not sure if he saw it or not...
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Post by: emu_luver on October 31, 2009, 01:56:44 am
Currently reading Moby-Dick...... :fap:
promised myself I wouldn't read anything else until I was done with it.
Next I'll probably read Breakfast of Champions (Vonnegut) or some Raymond Chandler stuff.
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Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 31, 2009, 06:11:04 am
Lately I've been reading various selections from the biblical Apocrypha. (btw. Has anybody else noticed the paralells between the events of chapter fourteen of the First Infancy gospel of Jesus Christ (http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/infancyall.htm) and the testimony given by David Berkowitz (http://www.nndb.com/people/278/000025203/) regarding his motives for committing the "Son of Sam" killings?)
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Post by: Cain on November 02, 2009, 07:02:23 pm
Oh, by the way, sent a message to the gentleman who mentioned ebooks.  Not sure if he saw it or not...

Seen and replied.  Hope that was all useful?

I'm going to do a commentary on "First As Tragedy, Then As Farce", with lots of excerpts.  This, along with Nano and another piece of writing for the site, is why I'm not on here too much of late.
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Post by: Cain on November 04, 2009, 10:53:12 am
BTW, the new Wheel of Time book is a noticeable improvement on, well, every book after the first six of the series.  It actually feels like the plot might be moving somewhere, and he doesn't take entire pages to describe peoples clothing or the expression on their face, or their entire personal history from the day they were born up until the present.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 04, 2009, 05:03:15 pm
Just read Franny and Zooey, now I'm reading a collection of short stories called "Love is a Four-Letter Word".
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 04, 2009, 05:09:17 pm
Lately I've been trying to keep myself from buying books until I finish a few of the ones I already have, but I read the first three pages of Human Smoke in the bookstore and was compelled to part with $17.
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Post by: Dimocritus on November 06, 2009, 11:11:04 pm
"Watch-men" graphic novel.

"Harrison Bergeron," a real short story by Vonnegut (out of my ethics text-book, no less), but it's freakin' awesome.

And trying to get a friend to lend me "House of Leaves" on the basis of the fucked up format alone.
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Post by: Chief Uwachiquen on November 07, 2009, 01:21:30 am
I'm currently reading the Belgariad series by David Eddings. I'm still on book one though, just haven't quite made it through the last quarter of the book. >_<
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on November 07, 2009, 01:25:17 am
Just finished The Enticing Madness of Metamind.
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Post by: Cain on November 07, 2009, 12:25:02 pm
I'm currently reading the Belgariad series by David Eddings. I'm still on book one though, just haven't quite made it through the last quarter of the book. >_<

You might find this site helpful in reading the book: tvtropes.org

The whole series was written after Eddings and his wife attended a creative writing course, with the aim of including as many fantasy tropes and cliches as possible.  It certainly succeeds, once you realize this.

Also, the Voice Of Prophecy is wonderfully sarcastic.
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Post by: Dimocritus on November 07, 2009, 08:46:07 pm
I'm currently reading the Belgariad series by David Eddings. I'm still on book one though, just haven't quite made it through the last quarter of the book. >_<

The Belgariad was one of my favorite series as a kid. I haven't read it in a while and I was recently thinking about picking it up again. There is a second series that isn't as good, but worth a look. There's also a few stand-alone side books, too. The way they use magic in those books was really interesting, "The Will and the Word." Good stuff.
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Post by: Cain on November 08, 2009, 08:41:04 pm
Smells Like Dead Elephants: Dispatches from a Rotting Empire By Matt Taibbi
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Post by: N E T on November 08, 2009, 11:04:53 pm
Where the Suckers Moon - The Life and Death of an Advertising Campaign by Randall Rothenberg

it's about how Subaru got established in the US.
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Post by: That One Guy on November 10, 2009, 06:49:42 pm
Unseen Academicals, the latest from Terry Pratchett. This one is going after soccer/football hooligans via Unseen University and has been very entertaining so far in the first 70 or so pages.
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Post by: LMNO on November 10, 2009, 06:51:04 pm
Damn.  And I had just finished arranging my bookcase in order to get all my Pratchett on one shelf...
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Post by: Cain on November 10, 2009, 06:54:48 pm
Some of the reviews I've read said it was kinda middling ground for Pratchett.  Don't get me wrong, I'm going to read it, and probably enjoy it a lot, but the impression I got was that it was one of his more generic, messing around books and so lacked some of the clarity and biting wit of his more focused stories.
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Post by: LMNO on November 10, 2009, 06:55:42 pm
So... download instead of purchase, then?
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Post by: LMNO on November 10, 2009, 06:57:29 pm
Incidentally, the kindle version of this on Amazon is actually MORE than the hardcover.


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Post by: Cain on November 10, 2009, 06:59:31 pm
I've put on my Xmas list (along with: E.H. Carr's The Twenty Year Crisis, Unfinest Hour by Brendan Simms, Voltaire's Bastards by John Ralston Saul, Stanley Hoffman's Chaos and Violence and The Breaking of Nations by Robert Cooper), but if it appears in the meantime I'll likely download it, too.
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Post by: That One Guy on November 10, 2009, 07:15:51 pm
Yeah, so far I'd say it's middle-ground for Pratchett. Certainly not on par with, say, Night Watch or Thief of Time, but it's also using mostly new-to-the-book characters, which can put some people off as they're not getting another, say, Rincewind or Vimes story.

At this point, it just seems like Pratchett REALLY wanted to spoof soccer hooligans, and this is the story he came up with. Not terrible, not amazing, but a fun read so far. Admittedly, I'm just seeing the new-character development and the UU wizards are always fun to me, and the plot hasn't really started to kick in yet - the main pieces are just in place so things should start picking up shortly.

Damn.  And I had just finished arranging my bookcase in order to get all my Pratchett on one shelf...

Yeah, my Pratchett shelf is already overflowing, with Making Money (which I thought was excellent) sitting on top of all the paperbacks. And I'm still missing a few!  :D
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Post by: -Kel- on November 28, 2009, 11:04:08 pm
I finally got around to reading American Psycho and I hate it!!! hate hate hate. And i usually love Bret Easton Eillis. But this sucks. The book would be great if he didn't repeat over and over what each character Bateman interacts with clothing, clothing fabric, color, designer, blah blah blah over and over. I know he's driving to hammer in the whole "this is all surface, i only care about surface, Bateman is nothing but a shell and therefor only sees the shells of other people." BUT FOR FUCKS SAKE, THE READER GETS THE POINT!!!  Get on with the violence and other humor pointing out things like that. I don't need it every bloody time. ugh. It has taken me three months to read this damn thing and im only half way threw it. When he's not going on and on about...."Libby is blond and wearing black grosgrain high-heeled evening shoes with exaggerated pointed toes and red stain bows by Yves Saint Laurent. daisy is....." there is actually some good writing, good black humor, and great violence. The book has now become a bathroom reader as it is the only time i can stand to open the stupid thing.  :argh!:

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Post by: Freeky on November 28, 2009, 11:18:43 pm
Yeah, my Pratchett shelf is already overflowing, with Making Money (which I thought was excellent) sitting on top of all the paperbacks. And I'm still missing a few!  :D

Oooo, I loved Making Money. My Pratchett collection was downsized by me going stir crazy in my old apartment and taking a lot of books to Bookmans (a store taht takes your crap and gives either money or credit for it). Have you read Nation? Didn't read the thread.
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Post by: LMNO on November 30, 2009, 02:29:59 pm
I finally got around to reading American Psycho and I hate it!!! hate hate hate. And i usually love Bret Easton Eillis. But this sucks. The book would be great if he didn't repeat over and over what each character Bateman interacts with clothing, clothing fabric, color, designer, blah blah blah over and over. I know he's driving to hammer in the whole "this is all surface, i only care about surface, Bateman is nothing but a shell and therefor only sees the shells of other people." BUT FOR FUCKS SAKE, THE READER GETS THE POINT!!!  Get on with the violence and other humor pointing out things like that. I don't need it every bloody time. ugh. It has taken me three months to read this damn thing and im only half way threw it. When he's not going on and on about...."Libby is blond and wearing black grosgrain high-heeled evening shoes with exaggerated pointed toes and red stain bows by Yves Saint Laurent. daisy is....." there is actually some good writing, good black humor, and great violence. The book has now become a bathroom reader as it is the only time i can stand to open the stupid thing.  :argh!:

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Are you kidding?  If the book didn't have that, it wouldn't be half as creepy as it is.
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Post by: fomenter on November 30, 2009, 04:02:34 pm
"the road" by cormac mccarthy  good post apocalyptic story, the movie is about to be released
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Post by: Cain on December 05, 2009, 01:23:36 pm
The Post-human Dada Guide: Tzara and Lenin Play Chess by Andrei Codrescu

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This is a guide for instructing posthumans in living a Dada life. It is not advisable, nor was it ever, to lead a Dada life. It is and it was always foolish and self-destructive to lead a Dada life because a Dada life will include by defnition pranks, buffoonery, masking, deranged senses, intoxication, sabotage, taboo breaking, playing childish and/or dangerous games, waking up dead gods, and not taking education seriously.

On the other hand, the accidental production of novel objects results occasionally from the practice of Dada. During times of crisis like wars and plagues, some of these objects can be truly novel because they sabotage prevailing sentiments. At other times, Dada objects are merely interesting, by virtue of an added layer of irony, an extra punch line, or a new twist to an already-consecrated object. In such times Dada objects amuse everybody, and since these objects are (mostly) made collectively, they are a strong community bond. Amusement (of oneself and others)and the making of art communities are the goals of Dada. Dada is a priori against everything, including goals and itself, but this creative negation is very amusing and is meant to be shared.

For one whole century, Dada has delighted in uncovering and using contradictions, paradoxes, and negations, the most important of which are: 1. most people read signs, Dadas make signs, and 2. most people are scared of scary faces, Dada makes scary faces. No one should go Dada before 1. considering whether one would rather be a. amused or b. grim; one must weigh in the balance childishness and seriousness; both a and b have a history; both affect everyone in the world; both are possible at any moment, but the difference is that being childlike (a) is pleasing to creatures lighter than air (with or without wings), angels, St. Francis, and Candide, while being serious (b) is a weight, like the cross, and heavy as a lead ball (see hugo, ball) and iron chains; and 2. understanding that art is life and vice-versa and Dada is against both, except on the road to ecstasy when it stops for exceptions. It is the thesis of this book that posthumans lining the road to the future (which looks as if it exists, after all, even though Dada is against it) need the solace offered by the primal raw energy of Dada and its inhuman sources.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on December 05, 2009, 02:24:02 pm
The Post-human Dada Guide: Tzara and Lenin Play Chess by Andrei Codrescu

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This is a guide for instructing posthumans in living a Dada life. It is not advisable, nor was it ever, to lead a Dada life. It is and it was always foolish and self-destructive to lead a Dada life because a Dada life will include by defnition pranks, buffoonery, masking, deranged senses, intoxication, sabotage, taboo breaking, playing childish and/or dangerous games, waking up dead gods, and not taking education seriously.

On the other hand, the accidental production of novel objects results occasionally from the practice of Dada. During times of crisis like wars and plagues, some of these objects can be truly novel because they sabotage prevailing sentiments. At other times, Dada objects are merely interesting, by virtue of an added layer of irony, an extra punch line, or a new twist to an already-consecrated object. In such times Dada objects amuse everybody, and since these objects are (mostly) made collectively, they are a strong community bond. Amusement (of oneself and others)and the making of art communities are the goals of Dada. Dada is a priori against everything, including goals and itself, but this creative negation is very amusing and is meant to be shared.

For one whole century, Dada has delighted in uncovering and using contradictions, paradoxes, and negations, the most important of which are: 1. most people read signs, Dadas make signs, and 2. most people are scared of scary faces, Dada makes scary faces. No one should go Dada before 1. considering whether one would rather be a. amused or b. grim; one must weigh in the balance childishness and seriousness; both a and b have a history; both affect everyone in the world; both are possible at any moment, but the difference is that being childlike (a) is pleasing to creatures lighter than air (with or without wings), angels, St. Francis, and Candide, while being serious (b) is a weight, like the cross, and heavy as a lead ball (see hugo, ball) and iron chains; and 2. understanding that art is life and vice-versa and Dada is against both, except on the road to ecstasy when it stops for exceptions. It is the thesis of this book that posthumans lining the road to the future (which looks as if it exists, after all, even though Dada is against it) need the solace offered by the primal raw energy of Dada and its inhuman sources.

I don't suppose you could score me a PDF of that?
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Post by: Cain on December 05, 2009, 02:30:27 pm
http://ifile.it/g4z3swb

Found it on Gigapedia, registering gives you full access to the site.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on December 05, 2009, 09:07:58 pm
Thanks :-)
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 06, 2009, 08:05:59 pm
The Professor and The Madman

So apparently a large portion of the Oxford English Dictionary was written by a criminally insane American Civil War veteran staying in a British asylum. :lulz:
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Post by: Dimocritus on December 06, 2009, 08:34:49 pm
Ughh... Trying to read "House of Leaves" but, while it may be interesting at points, there are some seriously tedious "foot-notes" by the "author" that make it really difficult to motivate myself to keep going. I think I may just put it down for a while and start reading the Decameron...
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 06, 2009, 08:41:47 pm
Ughh... Trying to read "House of Leaves" but, while it may be interesting at points, there are some seriously tedious "foot-notes" by the "author" that make it really difficult to motivate myself to keep going. I think I may just put it down for a while and start reading the Decameron...

Skip the ones that are lists of irrelevant names and places. The footnotes written by the guy compiling Zampano's notes are half the story (the weaker half, in retrospect, but half nonetheless).
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 08, 2009, 10:34:54 pm
Making Up the Mind, How the Brain Creates our Mental World by Chris Frith. Interesting read so far and looks pretty short. He sorta reminds me of Oliver Sacks in a roundabout way.
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Post by: Dimocritus on December 10, 2009, 02:14:51 pm
Ughh... Trying to read "House of Leaves" but, while it may be interesting at points, there are some seriously tedious "foot-notes" by the "author" that make it really difficult to motivate myself to keep going. I think I may just put it down for a while and start reading the Decameron...

Skip the ones that are lists of irrelevant names and places. The footnotes written by the guy compiling Zampano's notes are half the story (the weaker half, in retrospect, but half nonetheless).

Yeah, I've ignored the (literally) pages of names. I really enjoy Zampano's notes, but fuckin' Johnny Truant is a predictable, self absorbed prick that thinks I should give a fuck about his stupid psychological shortcomings. I have a feeling that the Johnny Truant character is based off the actual author, which also kinda' makes me want to not read it.

Anyhow, Just read a short story called "At the Rialto" by Connie Willis. I thought it was really good and I think a lot of folk here would get a kick out of it.
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Post by: LMNO on December 10, 2009, 02:21:11 pm
Well, I finished "Anathem", and I'd recommed it to any of the math/philosophy geeks out there.


I suppose I need to start reading stuff like "Pregnancy for Dummies".
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Post by: Richter on December 10, 2009, 02:54:18 pm
"Crooked little Vein" by Warren Ellis - A horromirth a minute
Dan Abnett's "Ravenor" trilogy of books - Scifi pulp, fewer casualties and different quality of badass characterization then his Eisenhorn books.

Ughh... Trying to read "House of Leaves" but, while it may be interesting at points, there are some seriously tedious "foot-notes" by the "author" that make it really difficult to motivate myself to keep going. I think I may just put it down for a while and start reading the Decameron...

Skip the ones that are lists of irrelevant names and places. The footnotes written by the guy compiling Zampano's notes are half the story (the weaker half, in retrospect, but half nonetheless).

Yeah, I've ignored the (literally) pages of names. I really enjoy Zampano's notes, but fuckin' Johnny Truant is a predictable, self absorbed prick that thinks I should give a fuck about his stupid psychological shortcomings. I have a feeling that the Johnny Truant character is based off the actual author, which also kinda' makes me want to not read it.

Anyhow, Just read a short story called "At the Realto" by Connie Willis. I thought it was really good and I think a lot of folk here would get a kick out of it.

I read that a few years ago.  Certainly was something.
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Post by: Cain on December 12, 2009, 03:05:42 pm
Vassilis Fouskas - Zones of Conflict - good realist overview of US grand strategy in Eurasia.  I'm going to post some extracts in AD.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Freeky on December 13, 2009, 06:51:18 am
I started reading Transmetropolitan about 12 hours ago.


I'm about to start Vol. 6.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: -Kel- on December 14, 2009, 03:12:34 am
I started reading Transmetropolitan about 12 hours ago.


I'm about to start Vol. 6.

Spider Jerusalem approves of this!!

(http://gallery.sicksadworld.us/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=75261&g2_serialNumber=1)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Freeky on December 14, 2009, 03:31:58 am
Dude has the tatoo on the wrong side.

And I'm on part three of volume 10!!!!!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!

*spazplode*
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Freeky on December 14, 2009, 03:55:05 am
Fucking pimp ass. That was the best ending evar!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 15, 2009, 07:09:09 pm
I suppose I need to start reading stuff like "Pregnancy for Dummies".
Meh, just do what comes naturally, you'll be fine. Bear in mind that you'll likely get more advice than you want, or can use due to contradictions, anyway.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 15, 2009, 08:45:01 pm
I suppose I need to start reading stuff like "Pregnancy for Dummies".
Meh, just do what comes naturally, you'll be fine. Bear in mind that you'll likely get more advice than you want, or can use due to contradictions, anyway.

Ahem:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/natural_parenting.png)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 15, 2009, 08:48:11 pm
Steven Erickson - Gardens of the Moon (by recommendation from TV Tropes)
Sarah Palin - Going Rogue (still)
Samuel P Huntingdon - The Clash Of the Civilizations (lol)
International Law (6th edition) - numerous authors (kill me now)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on December 15, 2009, 09:47:09 pm
Just finished reading Social Psychology 6th ed.  by Aronson, Wilson, and Akert.   Recommended very much, if textbooks on human behavior are your thing.

In my spare time I'm reading some Robert Rankin.  Fandom of the Operator. :D
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Brotep on December 16, 2009, 09:44:05 am
I am currently strapped into the audiobook of Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters, by Miller and Kanazawa.  It's a pop evolutionary psych book.  A little simplistic at times, but deliciously iconoclastic.

Making Up the Mind, How the Brain Creates our Mental World by Chris Frith. Interesting read so far and looks pretty short. He sorta reminds me of Oliver Sacks in a roundabout way.

Checking out the intro right now, it's kinda cute.  The bit about the hierarchy of science is so true...Physicists think they're sooooo cool.   :argh!:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 16, 2009, 02:23:37 pm
I'm reading another one of the Stackhouse Mysteries, to pass time until after Xmas, when I may be getting more books.  If I haven't gotten anything interesting, I'll be starting "House of Leaves".


It will be weird going back to paper, I think.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 16, 2009, 08:05:23 pm
I'm reading another one of the Stackhouse Mysteries, to pass time until after Xmas, when I may be getting more books.  If I haven't gotten anything interesting, I'll be starting "House of Leaves".


It will be weird going back to paper, I think.

Are you using something like a kindle, or just plain old internets? I'm just curious because I, personally, would rather have an actual bound copy of what ever I'm reading, but this kindle thing seems interesting and I was wondering if it was worth the investment.

Also, I can't imagine reading House of Leaves any other way. That guy does some really interesting things with the formatting, even if the content is a little tedious at times.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 16, 2009, 08:07:57 pm
Kindle, I like it, and I'm reading HOL exactly because of the formatting.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 16, 2009, 08:33:06 pm
Kindle, I like it, and I'm reading HOL exactly because of the formatting.

That's the only reason I picked it up, myself. As a gimmick, it's great, but I don't feel that it's written all that well. I'd be curious to hear your opinion. I'd say that there's a pretty good chance you may find something likable in there that I am overlooking.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: on December 16, 2009, 09:20:25 pm
Kindle, I like it, and I'm reading HOL exactly because of the formatting.

That's the only reason I picked it up, myself. As a gimmick, it's great, but I don't feel that it's written all that well. I'd be curious to hear your opinion. I'd say that there's a pretty good chance you may find something likable in there that I am overlooking.

I didn't care for House of Leaves over-much, but it was hyped up a lot to me before I read it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 16, 2009, 10:40:17 pm
Kindle, I like it, and I'm reading HOL exactly because of the formatting.

That's the only reason I picked it up, myself. As a gimmick, it's great, but I don't feel that it's written all that well. I'd be curious to hear your opinion. I'd say that there's a pretty good chance you may find something likable in there that I am overlooking.

I didn't care for House of Leaves over-much, but it was hyped up a lot to me before I read it.

It's a great concept, I just think it was implemented poorly.

It kinda' reminds me of a book I read called "Manifesto"(it had a blank white cover, no text whatsoever) that a friend insisted that I read. It starts off making you wonder how the whole thing was going to turn out, but before you even get to the end, you realize that it's just a bunch of self-absorbed, whiny tripe written by a rich kid that keeps throwing away opportunities that regular poor folk like myself would murder for.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Pariah on December 17, 2009, 03:06:15 am
It kinda' reminds me of a book I read called "Manifesto"(it had a blank white cover, no text whatsoever) that a friend insisted that I read. It starts off making you wonder how the whole thing was going to turn out, but before you even get to the end, you realize that it's just a bunch of self-absorbed, whiny tripe written by a rich kid that keeps throwing away opportunities that regular poor folk like myself would murder for.

I was wondering if anyone here had read that too. I was getting the same impression which is a shame because I kind of liked the writing style.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 17, 2009, 04:27:12 am
It kinda' reminds me of a book I read called "Manifesto"(it had a blank white cover, no text whatsoever) that a friend insisted that I read. It starts off making you wonder how the whole thing was going to turn out, but before you even get to the end, you realize that it's just a bunch of self-absorbed, whiny tripe written by a rich kid that keeps throwing away opportunities that regular poor folk like myself would murder for.

I was wondering if anyone here had read that too. I was getting the same impression which is a shame because I kind of liked the writing style.

Same here. S'too bad. The complaining wouldn't have been so bad if it had an actual ending. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 17, 2009, 08:15:34 am
Making Up the Mind, How the Brain Creates our Mental World by Chris Frith. Interesting read so far and looks pretty short. He sorta reminds me of Oliver Sacks in a roundabout way.

Checking out the intro right now, it's kinda cute.  The bit about the hierarchy of science is so true...Physicists think they're sooooo cool.   :argh!:
It is a pretty good book so far (I'm about halfway through). Just like "Why Evolution is True", I keep getting the feeling that he is just repeating stuff I already knew but it would be a great entry point for anyone who wants to know what has happened in cognitive science during the last 50 years.

I think I need to pick something more challenging to read next time.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 17, 2009, 02:35:25 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Wondering Monk on December 20, 2009, 09:33:37 pm
im just about to start reading "Johnny the Homicidal Maniac" although im not sure reading is the right term for a comic? idk :s
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 21, 2009, 02:47:19 pm
im just about to start reading "Johnny the Homicidal Maniac" although im not sure reading is the right term for a comic? idk :s


Is good.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 22, 2009, 09:22:25 am
Making Up the Mind, How the Brain Creates our Mental World by Chris Frith. Interesting read so far and looks pretty short. He sorta reminds me of Oliver Sacks in a roundabout way.

Checking out the intro right now, it's kinda cute.  The bit about the hierarchy of science is so true...Physicists think they're sooooo cool.   :argh!:
It is a pretty good book so far (I'm about halfway through). Just like "Why Evolution is True", I keep getting the feeling that he is just repeating stuff I already knew but it would be a great entry point for anyone who wants to know what has happened in cognitive science during the last 50 years.

I think I need to pick something more challenging to read next time.
I spoke too soon. Chapter five kicked all kinds of ass. The title is pretty awesome by itself: "Our Perception of the World Is a Fantasy That Coincides with Reality" He managed to cover information theory, artificial intelligence, neuron doctrine, Bayes' theorem, the Ideal Bayesian Observer, "the map is not the territory", hard wiring, optical illusions, visual perception, and color constancy pretty well in just 28 pages. The book would probably be better if he had just taken that section and expanded it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on December 25, 2009, 05:26:16 pm
Reading Chronic City by Jonathan Lethem. I've been a fan of Gun, with Occasional Music for several years, and Chronic City is excellent thus far -- the first chapter has several memebomb-worthy lines.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 26, 2009, 09:23:41 pm
John Ralston Saul - Voltaire's Bastards.

Over a decade old now, but rings still oh so true.  I'm going to have to write up notes on this, he's made a number of awesome points already, and I'm not even a fifth of the way through.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: phi on December 27, 2009, 07:33:06 pm
Snowcrash is being read to me. The reading his helping a sick friend keep her sanity. And I get to not be harassed for not having read it!

Because if I heard "You should read Snowcrash! The main character's name is Hero, Protagonist" one more time, I would have flipped.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Freeky on December 27, 2009, 09:31:26 pm
I just read Fell, and now I'm going to read Armageddon: The Musical.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on December 28, 2009, 01:43:16 am
I'm about halfway through Chronic City, and it looks like I might finish it tonight. It's the most PKDish book I've read -- more PKDish than anything I've read by PKD. I feel like writing a blog post analyzing it, but I should probably wait until I finish it first.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: NotPublished on December 28, 2009, 08:06:37 am
Finished Jennifer Fallon's Tide Lords not long ago .. that was epic, and I fell in love with one of the characters.

Now I'm reading; Leopard Auer - Violin Playing as I teach it
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on December 28, 2009, 01:47:10 pm
I got Plato and a Platypus Walk Into a Bar for xmas.  A survey of major philosophies, each punctuated by jokes, ranging from awful to pretty good.

Fast reading.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 28, 2009, 05:07:33 pm
I just picked up the Tao Te Ching, Don Quixote, and Machiavelli's The Prince (Buy two get one free, woot!).

As a small aside, my mother got me and my brothers each a book published on the year we were born, and I got an interesting little childrens book called Masquerade by an artist named Kit Wiliams. It contains crazy visual riddles that all point the way to an honest-to-goodness buried treasure. Obviously, it's been found by now, but the book is still really interesting. The artwork is pretty cool and apparently it's a bit of a rare collectors item. It's a neat concept but unfortunately the people that "found" the treasure were big cheaters and ruined it for everybody. Either way, it's still really cool to look at and try to figure out the riddle.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Reeducation on December 29, 2009, 07:22:59 am
Little book of calm - Paul Wilson  :lulz:
South of the Pumphouse - Les Claypool
The Cthulhu Mythos Encyclopedia - Daniel Harms
Everything Is Under Control - Roope Antti Wilperi
Godel, Escher, Bach - Douglas Hofstadter
The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 29, 2009, 04:32:41 pm
I just picked up the Tao Te Ching, Don Quixote, and Machiavelli's The Prince (Buy two get one free, woot!).

All three of those are in the public domain, so you could have bought none and got three free.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Dimocritus on December 30, 2009, 06:38:38 pm
I just picked up the Tao Te Ching, Don Quixote, and Machiavelli's The Prince (Buy two get one free, woot!).

All three of those are in the public domain, so you could have bought none and got three free.

 :sad: Buy two stacks of paper, get the third free...
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 31, 2009, 06:53:23 am
I finished "Making Up the Mind". Fairly good book. I liked his digressions more than the actual meat of the book. Because of that I was going to ask someone if they could suggest a good book on the essentials of game theory... then I opened up The Discordian Intellectual package and found a book called "Essentials of Game Theory".

Cain: Not only a genius, but a psychic genius!
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on December 31, 2009, 03:53:25 pm
 :magick:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Kai on December 31, 2009, 10:10:04 pm
Just finished The Other - David Guterson

I think many people would find it too slow, and too wordy, with little dialogue and loads of description. I found it wonderful, the characters portrayed with all their flaws intact, and the description was quite wonderful. The story centers around the friendship of the narrator Neil Countryman with his psychological opposite, John William Barry, and how he comes to help his friend try to escape from reality living as a hermit in the mountains. Guilt is well portrayed, characters have depth (even when they are shallow) and the overall portrait the story paints is of choices that lead to both tragedy and gain for the narrator and friend, but yet no regrets. I had trouble getting through the first 50 pages but then I sunk deep into the prose and finished it within a day. Recommended if you're into that sort of wilderness dependent coming of age story; some of it feels very similar to My Side of the Mountain to me.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2010, 04:23:42 pm
Steve Erikson - Memories of Ice

I was a little unsure about the Malazan Book of the Fallen series, but I think its growing on me.  That it is quickly heading into Thirty Xanatos Pileup territory doesn't hurt, nor that its set in a crapsack world. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Lord Quantum on January 02, 2010, 06:34:34 pm
I just finished reading Why Evolution is True and now I'm reading a Very Short Introduction to the Philosophy of Science and the Essential Calvin and Hobbes. I'm thinking about starting a calvinball cabal in my area.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Reginald Ret on January 02, 2010, 10:04:26 pm
Steve Erikson - Memories of Ice

I was a little unsure about the Malazan Book of the Fallen series, but I think its growing on me.  That it is quickly heading into Thirty Xanatos Pileup territory doesn't hurt, nor that its set in a crapsack world. 
DO NOT read out of order, that way it quickly stops making sense.
still good books though.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 02, 2010, 10:42:40 pm
Oh God, I could imagine.  Even in sequence, keeping up is a little hard.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: on January 03, 2010, 08:55:05 am
Just finished reading Uncle Sam, stumbled on it on /co/ because I'm looking for a new comic to read.
It was so good, I almost cried.

picture is kinda big (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/zombiezombiezombie/1262499852793.jpg)

I've been on a comic binge, in the couple weeks I finished:
Promethea
Bone
Deadpool/Cable&Deadpool (just to read some trashy comics)
The Invisibles

Currently I'm working on:
Hellboy/BPRD
100 Bullets

I'm trying to go back and finish out a lot of the comics that I've read only partially, most of which I'm done with now. Pretty soon I want to read Cerebus in its entirety, as well as get caught up with Fables, and maybe try out Y the Last Man. I'll probably also read Tom Strong and V for Vendetta just so I can say that I've read pretty much everything Alan Moore has written (I'll have to include his issues of Swamp Thing as well.) I suppose I'll also read those six or so issues of Spawn towards the beginning that all had guest writers (IE:the good issues of Spawn).

Anyway, Uncle Sam was fucking amazing, I strongly recommend it to this board. I'll be going to the comic shop to get a physical copy of that book soon. If anyone has further suggestions for me, even things as low as trashy superhero comics, chances are I'll probably entertain them and even let you know what I think.

Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on January 04, 2010, 03:19:03 pm
I finished Chronic City. Looking for something new. Also, I am temporarily in love with Lethem.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on January 07, 2010, 01:49:06 am
If anyone has further suggestions for me, even things as low as trashy superhero comics, chances are I'll probably entertain them and even let you know what I think.



Well, you read Bone, which is probably my favorite graphic novel.  Check out Will Eisner if you haven't.  The Spirit is his take on the superhero genre (way different from the movie).  Into the Heart of the Storm is an autobiographical look at a soldier heading into WWII.  A Contract with God and other Tenement Stories is the first graphic novel if you're interested in that, but it's not his best work.  They aren't as polished as modern comics, but he's a god damn master.  I started seeing people as he drew them after a few weeks of reading his stuff.

A good site is Read Yourself Raw (http://www.readyourselfraw.com) - it has a lot of authors listed and recommendations they've made for other comics.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 11, 2010, 06:35:14 pm
Peter Levenda - Sinister Forces: A Warm Gun

I was expecting the first of this trilogy to arrive, but I cannot be bothered to wait for The Nine to arrive, and so have started with this.  Levenda, for those who don't know, is the real author of the "Simon Necronomicon" and is also something of an expert of the intersection of occult beliefs and politics.  He has a highly regarded previous book called Unholy Alliance about Nazi occultism in particular, but Sinister Forces is subtitled "A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft" and deals with more recent, and well known events, from the Manson murders up to Bush and Al-Qaeda.  Levenda is quite open that he considers this a factual counterpart to the Illuminatus! Trilogy, so I expect much High Weirdness awaits me over the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 12, 2010, 04:00:09 am
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 12, 2010, 04:48:16 am
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.

Fact:  If too much awesome is in your mind at once, you will pass out and someone else will wake up.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 12, 2010, 05:01:46 am
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.

Fact:  If too much awesome is in your mind at once, you will pass out and someone else will wake up.

I must try this some day.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Epimetheus on January 12, 2010, 05:30:30 am
In the middle of a collection of Jorge Luis Borges' fictions, and RAW's Quantum Psychology.

I think I need to add some humor in there. I mean, Wilson has humor but not the right kind I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Nast on January 12, 2010, 05:37:34 am
In the middle of a collection of Jorge Luis Borges' fictions, and RAW's Quantum Psychology.

I think I need to add some humor in there. I mean, Wilson has humor but not the right kind I'm talking about.

I'm reading Borges' fictions too, but in Spanish. I don't think I'm good enough to comprehend a fair share of it, though.  :sad:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Jasper on January 12, 2010, 05:44:19 am
Has anyone here read that book "How to teach your dog physics"?  I was considering getting it for someone's birthday present.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Bu☆ns on January 12, 2010, 07:19:43 am
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.

oh man! OH hell yeah.  I'll have to do this some day....ooohh...out LOUD even....bring along "accessories".
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 12, 2010, 11:26:32 am
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.

oh man! OH hell yeah.  I'll have to do this some day....ooohh...out LOUD even....bring along "accessories".

For those six hours, and a few hours afterwords, I felt something very much akin to 20mg of Adderall, but without the unpleasant side effects. My synapses were full of gonzo. I thought I would finish it later today, but the effect it had on me meant there was no way I was getting to sleep without finishing it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cain on January 12, 2010, 02:49:30 pm
OK, got the first Sinister Forces book today.  Anyone who mentions Lovecraft, Columbus and Islamic imperialism in the first two pages of their book is alright by me.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on January 12, 2010, 11:33:00 pm
I just read the whole of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas in six hours. I think my head is going to explode.

oh man! OH hell yeah.  I'll have to do this some day....ooohh...out LOUD even....bring along "accessories".

For those six hours, and a few hours afterwords, I felt something very much akin to 20mg of Adderall, but without the unpleasant side effects. My synapses were full of gonzo. I thought I would finish it later today, but the effect it had on me meant there was no way I was getting to sleep without finishing it.

 :lulz:
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Fundamentalist on January 13, 2010, 12:33:58 am
Just finished The King in Yellow and The Gods of Pegāna.  I can see why they've had so much influence, although the former has a lot less of the horror aspect than I expected.  The latter is somewhat gnostic.

Next is Slaughterhouse-Five to finish, and then I'm going to see if The Republic is worth its reputation.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Epimetheus on January 13, 2010, 01:02:16 am
In the middle of a collection of Jorge Luis Borges' fictions, and RAW's Quantum Psychology.

I think I need to add some humor in there. I mean, Wilson has humor but not the right kind I'm talking about.

I'm reading Borges' fictions too, but in Spanish. I don't think I'm good enough to comprehend a fair share of it, though.  :sad:

Even reading it in English there are so many references to Argentinian places and history (I guess, maybe other Spanish countries too) that you have to read tons of footnotes to get it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 13, 2010, 01:11:00 am
I have a collection of Borges' fiction that a friend bought for me, but it's been sitting on my bedside table for six years and I've never opened it.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Johnny on January 13, 2010, 02:16:17 am

Im not too fond of Borges... but i love Cortazar.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 13, 2010, 02:19:09 pm
I have a collection of Borges' fiction that a friend bought for me, but it's been sitting on my bedside table for six years and I've never opened it.


I like Borges.  Short, to the point, good writing, an occasional mindfuck.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 19, 2010, 06:06:21 pm
I have started The Great Shark Hunt, but I put it on hold to read Columbine by Dave Cullen. Hell of a read, and clarifies a lot of the rumors and misinformation surrounding the tragedy, and just as importantly covers how that misinformation became so widespread so quickly. It's a recent release, too; the author spent nine years researching this shit.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 06:10:57 pm
I have started The Great Shark Hunt,

HST's second worst book. 
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 19, 2010, 06:11:45 pm
I have started The Great Shark Hunt,

HST's second worst book.  

It's certainly not nearly as gripping as Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. What's the worst one? And, for that matter, what are a few of the better ones?
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 06:17:03 pm
I have started The Great Shark Hunt,

HST's second worst book. 

It's certainly not nearly as gripping as Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. What's the worst one?

Screwjack.

His last book is pretty good "Hey Rube".

I have everything he ever wrote, and only three of his books suck.  "The Rum Diaries" (not BAD, but not what I expect from him), Screwjack (utter shit), and The Great Shark Hunt.

Songs of the Doomed is tolerable.

Good stuff:  "Hells Angels", "Better Than Sex", "A Generation of Swine", "The Curse of Lono", "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved", "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", "Hey Rube", "Kingdom of Fear".

AMAZING stuff:  "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, 1972".

Might have forgotten one or two; put them in the "good" column.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on January 19, 2010, 06:20:04 pm
Thanks, I was curious about Screwjack. I will keep this list in mind.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2010, 06:24:27 pm
Thanks, I was curious about Screwjack. I will keep this list in mind.

If Screwjack was given away for free, you'd still be getting robbed.  I have written better in the throes of cactus binges.

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail 72, though, is probably the best book on politics ever written.  It is analogous to a layman's book on physics that leaves you with a complete understanding of string theory.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: LMNO on January 19, 2010, 06:27:27 pm
Campaign 72 was amazing.  I reccomend everyone read it at least once every four years.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: -Kel- on January 19, 2010, 07:05:11 pm
Still stuck on American Psycho, at least its starting to pick up, only after 200 or so pages. :mad:
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on January 27, 2010, 09:49:01 pm
"The Red Queen, Sex, & the Evolution of Human Nature" by Matt Ridley.  (Found in the Operation Mindfuck Pack)

Extremely interesting read. Definitely a good mindfuck. This book combined with me starting the Game Theory lecture series on Academic Earth has given me some great ideas for an anti-libertarian rant. Hopefully I can get all of my ideas wrapped together at some point.
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Post by: BluTakDuck on January 28, 2010, 12:35:34 am
Still stuck on American Psycho, at least its starting to pick up, only after 200 or so pages. :mad:

I honestly only remember one bit of that book. And it's only because it's the bit someone recommended the book to me with. I own it, but i can;t say i'd ever read it again. It does tail off again at the end.
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Post by: Jasper on January 28, 2010, 12:36:51 am
Consciousness Explained, Dan Dennett

Just started it today, and my reading habits suck lately.  Seems good so far.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on January 28, 2010, 12:47:01 am
I'm about halfway through A Fire Upon the Deep, again. When I finish, I will try to get through V. by Thomas Pynchton.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 28, 2010, 01:12:57 am
This is a semi-local story that I found highly amusing... my apologies if it's already been all over the Internet.

"Fist-size space rock crashed through roof of Lorton doctors' office."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/bal-md.meteor23jan23,0,7482858.story

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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2010, 03:45:28 pm
Unholy Alliance by Peter Levenda. 

Probably one of the three books it is necessary to own if you want to research the connections between occultism and Nazism (the other two having being written by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke).  Also the intro by Norman Mailer is an unexpected bonus.
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Post by: LMNO on January 28, 2010, 03:48:09 pm
Hey, that sounds good.
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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2010, 03:55:41 pm
I can provide the Goodrick-Clarke books in PDF, but this one exists only in meatspace as far as I can see.  And yeah, a quick persual seems to suggest it is a lot meatier and less speculative than his Sinister Forces books, which are sort of a follow-on from this.  The final third of the book promises to be of particular interest, since it deals with Nazi occultism after the war, a topic which it is hard to find good material on.
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Post by: LMNO on January 28, 2010, 03:57:41 pm
I did the "I request this book to be made into a Kindle edition" thing, but I doubt anyone pays attention to that.

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Post by: Cain on January 28, 2010, 04:04:04 pm
Oh, there is one other part of this I really want to read.  Levenda himself was detained for a while at the infamous Colonia Dignidad, a Germany colony in Chile, founded by a very pro-Nazi Luffwaffe officer called Paul Schafer.  He ran the place as a cult, with him as effective Fuhrer, and also did torture work on the side for Pinochet.  Its hard to dig up more than that on the internet though, so I want to see his impressions of the place.

Yeah, its been in print for quite a while, but given its more of a fringe topic, and from someone who isn't an academic or with academic backing, I suspect if they ever make an ebook version, it might take a while.  There could well be pirate copies out there...but I haven't seen them.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on January 28, 2010, 04:23:00 pm
I can provide the Goodrick-Clarke books in PDF

Please do. I will look out for any potential pirate copies of the other as well.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 30, 2010, 01:13:08 am
"Your Disgusting Head: the Darkest, Most Offensive -- and Moist -- Secrets of Your Ears, Mouth and Nose" by Dr. and Mr. Doris Haggis-On-Whey.
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Post by: . on January 30, 2010, 01:15:43 am
Just started reading "The Throne of Bones." Pretty interesting so far.
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Post by: Cain on January 31, 2010, 09:04:08 pm
Johnny The Homicidal Maniac. ranges from  :?  :sad:  :| to :horrormirth:  :lol:

Yeah, I've heard that can be pretty hit or miss.  I imagine its a case of when its funny, its very funny (in a black humour way) and when it sucks, it really fucking sucks.

Also my current reading is the highly interesting Special Operations in the Age of Chivalry 1100-1500

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Alongside the familiar pitched battles, regular sieges, and large-scale manoeuvres, medieval and early modern wars also involved assassination, abduction, treason and sabotage. These undercover operations were aimed chiefly against key individuals, mostly royalty or the leaders of the opposing army, and against key fortified places, including bridges, mills and dams. However, because of their clandestine nature, these deeds of `derring-do' have not been studied in any detail, a major gap which this book fills. It surveys a wide variety of special operations, from the eleventh to the sixteenth century. It then analyzes in greater depth six select and exciting operations: the betrayal of Antioch in 1098; the attempt to rescue King Baldwin II from the dungeon of Khartpert in 1123; the assassination of Conrad of Montferrat in 1192; the attempt to storm Calais in 1350; the 'dirty war' waged by the rulers of France and Burgundy in the 1460s and 1470s; and the demolition of the flour mill of Auriol in 1536.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on February 01, 2010, 02:37:05 pm
I finished A Fire Upon the Deep and I'm starting V.
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Post by: LMNO on February 02, 2010, 01:18:51 pm
If you put yourself in the mind-state of a pre-emo teenage goth-punk with delusions of existential nihilism, it makes more sense.


LMNO
-don't ask how I know that.
Title: Re: Unofficial What are you Reading Thread?
Post by: on February 02, 2010, 08:42:02 pm
Just started on the Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima.
I like it a lot so far.
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Post by: E.O.T. on February 12, 2010, 04:02:31 am
Unholy Alliance by Peter Levenda. 

Probably one of the three books it is necessary to own if you want to research the connections between occultism and Nazism (the other two having being written by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke).  Also the intro by Norman Mailer is an unexpected bonus.

WHAT'S

          Levenda's particular focus? More like turn-of-the-century or during World War II? I guess I could google this but you're probably a better resource than Wikipedia.

GOODRICK-CLARKE

          Certainly opened some crazy shit up when he came out with "The occult roots..", a lot of which had an effect opposite to his ambition. It does remain to be the most comprehensive 'one-stop' source for the topic as an intro. His follow up, "Black Sun" is disappointingly a poorly researched pile of crap. Again however, "Black Sun" serves as an intro, this time to post-Third Reich Nazi-isms, but here G-Clarke at best lays out a rough map of key influences but mostly misappropriated their relationships or simply got shit completely wrong. Still, young satan-worshipping-aspiring-nazi-occultists will find it a useful quick guide to get turned onto things they hadn't heard of before.
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Post by: Jasper on February 12, 2010, 04:07:22 am
Ravenor, the omnibus. 

What a great goddamned sci-fi/action novel.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on February 12, 2010, 11:47:20 am
A Calculus of Angels by J. Gregory Keyes
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Post by: LMNO on February 12, 2010, 01:50:25 pm

Would I need to do that for the Squee series also? They're up next on my reading list.



No, Squee! is just funny and awesome.

Roman Dirge's Lenore is also pretty great.



I'm finally reading House of Leaves, and I'm digging it.  Even though it deliberately and broad-handedly breaks formal conventions, it's not as pretentious as Infinite Jest, and creepier, too.  My kind of book, really.
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Post by: Requia ☣ on February 12, 2010, 11:22:03 pm
I started on Discourses of the first decade of titus livy by Machiavelli
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Post by: Bella on February 17, 2010, 08:35:43 pm
I just started working my way through the entire works of Terry Pratchett because my father-in-law sent us his latest book and HFLS says it won't make any sense to me unless I read most of the earlier books. I finished the Wyrd Sisters mini-trilogy, Nightwatch, Strata, and a couple of others, and now I'm reading Monstrous Regiment.
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Post by: Freeky on February 17, 2010, 08:37:16 pm
I just started working my way through the entire works of Terry Pratchett because my father-in-law sent us his latest book and HFLS says it won't make any sense to me unless I read most of the earlier books. I finished the Wyrd Sisters mini-trilogy, Nightwatch, Strata, and a couple of others, and now I'm reading Monstrous Regiment.

i love Terry Pratchett. My favorite books in the Discworld series are the Rincewind books, followed closely by the Vimes ones.
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Post by: Bella on February 18, 2010, 12:56:54 am
I just started working my way through the entire works of Terry Pratchett because my father-in-law sent us his latest book and HFLS says it won't make any sense to me unless I read most of the earlier books. I finished the Wyrd Sisters mini-trilogy, Nightwatch, Strata, and a couple of others, and now I'm reading Monstrous Regiment.

i love Terry Pratchett. My favorite books in the Discworld series are the Rincewind books, followed closely by the Vimes ones.

Me, too. I haven't read any Rincewind books yet, but I've watched a couple of movies with that character, and he's great! Vimes is in the book I'm reading right now, and he also appears to be awesome.
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Post by: Freeky on February 18, 2010, 01:42:57 am
Which one are you reading now? Goddammit, I'm a tard.

Monstrous Regiment was pretty good.
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Post by: Bella on February 18, 2010, 02:29:33 am
Which one are you reading now? Goddammit, I'm a tard.

Monstrous Regiment was pretty good.

thanks. I haven't gotten very far into it, and I'm glad to hear it's a good one.
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Post by: Jasper on February 18, 2010, 02:30:16 am
As far as Terry Pratchett, I thought Wee Free Men was his best work, but Thief of Time was his funniest work.
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Post by: Bella on February 18, 2010, 04:56:53 am
As far as Terry Pratchett, I thought Wee Free Men was his best work, but Thief of Time was his funniest work.

Cool, those are next on the list, then.
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Post by: Jasper on February 18, 2010, 04:57:56 am
As far as Terry Pratchett, I thought Wee Free Men was his best work, but Thief of Time was his funniest work.

Cool, those are next on the list, then.

Enjoy.  Did I mention I've read almost every single one?  :lulz:

Sigma,
I am a nerd
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Post by: Muir on February 18, 2010, 09:59:27 am
Terry Pratchett is fantastic!  I listened to some radio shows of a couple of his books a month ago on BBC radio.  Sadly, my easily distracted mind won't allow me to read much anymore.  10-15 minutes at a time is my limit lately.  Used to read a 400 page book everyday back when I was in high school and college.
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Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on February 18, 2010, 05:18:19 pm
Just bought Porno by Irvine Welsh in futile attempt to wean myself off the crackberry for moar than 10 minutes. And for the therapeutic effect of reading in dialect. When I had an episode after my birthday Payne read me bits of Trainspotting to get me to sleep. <3
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Post by: Jasper on February 19, 2010, 08:09:01 am
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I thought Wee Free Men was his best work

hehe. yeah. it is pretty damn great. that and the amazing maruirce and his educated rodents, followed by anything about the witches I think are my top three(seven).

I've always identified more with the wizards because they're ridiculous old fools who think power is hilarious.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on February 22, 2010, 07:51:44 am
Bought "Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History" by Chris Rodda for my Kindle. You know, cuz I don't have enough reasons to be pissed off right now.  On the plus side, I'm learning things about early American History like the Newburgh Conspiracy.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on February 22, 2010, 11:31:32 am
I finished A Calculus of Angels, and now I'm onto Empire of Unreason. It's terribly cheesy alt-history fantasy, but it's basically the reductio-ad-absurdam of steampunk: steampunk before steam. Oh, and they just introduced Euler as a character (the main characters for a good chunk of the series have been Ben Franklin and Isaac Newton, and for a while, Tsar Peter and Louis XIV).
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Post by: t.x. helot on February 22, 2010, 07:38:01 pm
I'm in part 4 of 5 of Robert Bolano's 2666. It's great (kind of hard to describe), but a very slow read, and sometimes emotionally grueling (part 4 is loosely based on the hundreds of (still unsolved) murders that have taken place in Cuidad Juarez of female factory workers). All the parts fit together, but just barely. Still, worth checking out.
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Post by: Cain on February 22, 2010, 07:49:19 pm
I like this guy, Roberto Bolano, and I've only read his bio.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/jan/11/roberto-bolano-2666 has a review of the book which seems pretty good, too.

I'm still on my Malazan Book of the Fallen binge.  Midnight Tides, the fifth book, to be exact.  Three things strike me:

1) this is the funniest book in the series by far.  The dialogues between Tehol and Bugg are hilarious.
2) archeology is probably the single most dangerous profession in the Malazan Book of the Fallen Universe.  There is no telling what sort of evil horror from before the ascent of man you might dig up.
3) its very obvious this was written in 2002-3. Parts of it are an author tract against the Iraq War.
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Post by: . on February 24, 2010, 11:34:57 pm
Just started "Nightwatch" by Sergei Lukyanenko. So far the writing is very good considering someone translated it from Russian. Watched both the movies and can't wait to get to the third book. Been looking forward to this for a while. :D
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Post by: -Kel- on March 03, 2010, 05:53:19 am
AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!! Still struggling to finish American Psycho. It became a bathroom reader. And today the author went from 1st person to 3rd person mid paragraph and mid sentence. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 03, 2010, 02:05:27 pm
AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!! Still struggling to finish American Psycho. It became a bathroom reader. And today the author went from 1st person to 3rd person mid paragraph and mid sentence. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

By accident? Or to be 'clever'?
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Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2010, 02:40:14 pm
Because it's narrated by the titular "Psycho".
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Post by: St. Everblaze the Badikal on March 03, 2010, 03:53:26 pm
It's funny, I actually started reading Illuminatus a few days before finding this hellish place.
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Post by: Doktor Howl on March 03, 2010, 04:05:04 pm
Oh, dear.   :lulz:
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Post by: Muir on March 03, 2010, 04:20:33 pm
I've been reading a book called Bite: A Vampire's Handbook.  It's pretty good so far.  Very amusing. :3
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 04, 2010, 02:32:16 am
I just finished "My Abandonment", which is a beautifully-written piece of based-on-reality about a little girl and her dad who lived in Forest Park here in Portland for four years, and started on "Bloodroot", which is about some Appalachian chick.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 05, 2010, 01:44:40 am
Forgot to mention that I'm also skimming through Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger" and reading "Alice in Wonderland" to my daughter. She has the attention span of a three year old so it is taking forever.
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Post by: Juana Go? on March 05, 2010, 07:35:37 am
Lev Grossman's The Magicans (Harry Potter/Narnia meet Catcher in the Rye) and For God and Country, which is about American history and terrorism. Exxxxxcellent.


Going back to Pratchett, I felt the Watchmen series was his best. Well, that and Small Gods, I think.
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Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on March 05, 2010, 02:48:58 pm
Seamus Heaney anthology of poetry called "Death Of A Naturalist", a bio of Caravaggio by Patrick Hunt, and still keeping plenty of Irvine Welsh handy for when the psychosis becomes too much.
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Post by: Bella on March 11, 2010, 12:18:43 am
Still working my way through the works of Terry Pratchett. I'm currently reading Good Omens, which was co-written by Neil Gamen. It reads like a giant poem on my Kindle because the spacing came out kind of funky when it downloaded. But that only makes it more fun.
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Post by: Jasper on March 11, 2010, 12:50:37 am
Ahhh.  Whenever that happened to me I would start reading lines rhythmically, and eventually the words would stop making sense and I'd have this weird tune stuck in my head.

I am basically useless, you see. :x
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Post by: Bella on March 11, 2010, 01:00:34 am
Ahhh.  Whenever that happened to me I would start reading lines rhythmically, and eventually the words would stop making sense and I'd have this weird tune stuck in my head.

I am basically useless, you see. :x

Oh no! I read this post, then picked up the kindle and now I can't stop reading the lines rhythmically. 
Waiting for the weird tune to start.
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Post by: Jasper on March 11, 2010, 01:02:13 am
Make that worse than useless. :lol:
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 11, 2010, 01:03:47 am
Also reading "Despoilers of the Golden Empire" by David Gordon thanks to TV Tropes. Would have been better if I hadn't figured out the Tomato Surprise by Chapter 3.  :kingmeh:
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Post by: Juana Go? on March 11, 2010, 01:05:10 am
Neil Gaiman's American Gods for the umpteenth time.
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Post by: whatnotery on March 11, 2010, 01:10:15 am
Neil Gaiman's American Gods for the umpteenth time.

that was a hell of a book! I should prolly read it again.
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Post by: Cain on March 11, 2010, 01:30:00 am
American Gods is Gaiman's best novel as far as I'm concerned.

I'm still on my Malazan Book of the Fallen binge, which isn't hard when each book averages out at about 700 A4 pages, and its a nine book series (tenth still to be published).  Now up to book six, The Bonehunters.  I think I've more or less figured out which side everyone falls on in the up and coming war now, but where Amannas and Laseen are going to fall once its over should be amusing, assuming they don't try and assassinate each other beforehand.  Also, Erickson really REALLY loves the obsfucating stupidity trope.  He's used it in every book so far, and usually with his most entertaining characters (Krupp, Iskaral Pust, Tehol, Bugg and those two ghosts who keep stalking Apsalar for no apparent reason).
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Post by: Pariah on March 11, 2010, 01:46:05 am
I'm in part 4 of 5 of Robert Bolano's 2666. It's great (kind of hard to describe), but a very slow read, and sometimes emotionally grueling (part 4 is loosely based on the hundreds of (still unsolved) murders that have taken place in Cuidad Juarez of female factory workers). All the parts fit together, but just barely. Still, worth checking out.

Based off this suggestion bought the book.

So far just finished the 1st part but the writing is great.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 11, 2010, 11:39:19 am
Finally got around to reading Cryptonomicon.
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Post by: Juana Go? on March 11, 2010, 05:22:56 pm
Neil Gaiman's American Gods for the umpteenth time.

that was a hell of a book! I should prolly read it again.
Definitely one of my favorites. I liked it a lot better than Neverwhere, though Anasi Boys comes in a close second.
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Post by: Brotep on March 11, 2010, 07:55:50 pm
Currently reading Dan Ariely's Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions.

So far it's alright. Like much of the current generation of books on social psychology etc. aimed at a general audience, the ideas are interesting, but some things are dumbed down too much.

I'm always looking for reading material that is richer than lab write-ups but doesn't shy away from the technical details. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd love to hear them.
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Post by: Cain on March 17, 2010, 03:29:19 pm
I've got that book, but haven't had the time to read it fully yet.  It came across pretty much as you describe, however, a bit Malcolm Gladwell-ish.  At least on my brief reading.

I'm now reading No-One Would Listen by Harry Markopolos.  This is about the guy who warned the SEC repeatedly that Madoff was running a scam, only to be ignored and dismissed.  He put in an appearance on the Daily Show about a week back, and he seemed very happy to have been vindicated.  The book is a bit over the place, but it's early days yet.  He mercifully stays away from the complex financial jargon and concentrates on telling the story, as well as describing the culture of Wall Street in general.
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 17, 2010, 03:48:10 pm
Finally got around to reading Cryptonomicon.

It's very good. It got Alan Turing flirting with the main character's grandfather and such!
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 17, 2010, 04:15:41 pm
Finally got around to reading Cryptonomicon.

It's very good. It got Alan Turing flirting with the main character's grandfather and such!

Yes. And Turing's Nazi ex-boyfriend angle is making the reading intense.
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Post by: Jasper on March 18, 2010, 06:13:45 am
My copy of "Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind" is in the mail.  I can't wait! 
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 20, 2010, 12:06:15 pm
Finally got around to reading Cryptonomicon.

It's very good. It got Alan Turing flirting with the main character's grandfather and such!

Yes. And Turing's Nazi ex-boyfriend angle is making the reading intense.

And I suppose you already knew what the Perl script did before you even opened the book right?

if not I won't spoil it for you, I had the misfortune of not getting the big reveal because of reading too much crypto/security blogs :)
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 20, 2010, 02:50:11 pm
Finally got around to reading Cryptonomicon.

It's very good. It got Alan Turing flirting with the main character's grandfather and such!

Yes. And Turing's Nazi ex-boyfriend angle is making the reading intense.

And I suppose you already knew what the Perl script did before you even opened the book right?

if not I won't spoil it for you, I had the misfortune of not getting the big reveal because of reading too much crypto/security blogs :)

Nope. I can't parse the perl, either. It's not something lame like rot13, is it?
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Post by: Juana Go? on March 20, 2010, 02:52:49 pm
Oneupsmenship: a Guide to Creative Intimidation by Steven Potter
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 20, 2010, 04:07:46 pm
I just finished reading the complete archives of Girl Genius. Does that count?
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 20, 2010, 06:01:07 pm
Nope. I can't parse the perl, either. It's not something lame like rot13, is it?

I couldn't really parse the Perl as well, I'm not that well-versed in Perl. But yeah, it's pretty cool. No obfuscated rot13 or anything like that :) Lemme know what you think when you get to the reveal.
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Post by: PeregrineBF on March 24, 2010, 04:47:50 am
On cryptonomicon: note that the Solitaire/Pontifex cypher used isn't really that secure, the CPRNG is quite biased. It's probably possible to memorize and use XXTEA on paper, if rather difficult. That would be a much more secure way to do hand encryption.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on March 26, 2010, 08:21:43 am
"The Red Queen, Sex, & the Evolution of Human Nature" by Matt Ridley.  (Found in the Operation Mindfuck Pack)

Extremely interesting read. Definitely a good mindfuck.
STILL reading through this. Still being mindfucked. The chapter on polygamy has been especially enlightening. I really need to start taking notes.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on March 26, 2010, 01:44:41 pm
Got through Cryptonomicon. Apparently my university library carries no novels, so I picked up a book on game theory and a book on information theory.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 26, 2010, 06:35:39 pm
I'm reading "Shrimp: The Quest For Pink Gold".
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Post by: Triple Zero on March 26, 2010, 09:23:56 pm
On cryptonomicon: note that the Solitaire/Pontifex cypher used isn't really that secure, the CPRNG is quite biased. It's probably possible to memorize and use XXTEA on paper, if rather difficult. That would be a much more secure way to do hand encryption.

:|

I tried not to spoil it. In the book it is called Pontifex, not Solitaire, to hide the fact that it involves playing cards. But you had to show off your smarts! Good for you.

Let alone you're just regurgitating something you read elsewhere. The CPRNG being biased is still quite a long shot from actually devising a viable attack for the type of message Solitaire is intended for.

Additionally, yes, memorizing the XXTEA algorithm is rather easy, as it's just a few lines of C-code. But carrying out the algorithm on paper is incredibly tedious, and most importantly error-prone. How many rounds were you thinking of? :lol:
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Post by: Cain on March 28, 2010, 02:03:30 pm
PBF can't not be a pedant.  It's logically impossible, like a round square.

Also, reading The Changing Images of Man by the Stanford Research Institute, Chaos and Violence by Stanley Hoffman and Steven Erikson's Toll The Hounds.
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Post by: Juana Go? on March 29, 2010, 04:17:59 am
"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America" by Chris Hedges  :x
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Post by: Harper on March 29, 2010, 06:42:59 am
Eff.

I've had eleven or eight too many martinis tonight and posted this in the wrong thread:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=18201.0

I am currently reading The Big Necessity. It is eye-opening and personal in a way that only shit can be.
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Post by: BadBeast on March 29, 2010, 10:48:27 pm
Just re-read "Milk, Sulphate, and Alby Starvation" by Mark Millar. When people say "amphetamines make you paranoid" they obviously never considered a scenario like Alby's. The Milk Marketing Board really do want to kill him. And his new girlfriend by pure chance, happens to be a reknowned international assassin. But the person who wants to buy his treasured comic collection, is not who Alby thinks he is. Add a magic healing crown to the mix, a Zen meditating video game savant, and a Burmese Druglord, set it in 1980's Brixton, from the surreal point of view of a small scale speed dealer, who (for a large part of the story) thinks it's 
all a plot to steal his comic book collection, and you've got one of the paciest books I've ever read. (And one of the unlikeliest plots)
About to start Gene Wolfe's "Soldier of the Mists". (Again)
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Post by: LMNO on March 30, 2010, 03:05:02 pm
Finished Guns, Germs, and Steel and am now reading You Are Being Lied To.

I'll make it through Cain's Discordian Library someday.  I swear.
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Post by: -Kel- on March 31, 2010, 05:44:28 am
I finally got around to reading American Psycho and I hate it!!! hate hate hate. And i usually love Bret Easton Eillis. But this sucks. The book would be great if he didn't repeat over and over what each character Bateman interacts with clothing, clothing fabric, color, designer, blah blah blah over and over. I know he's driving to hammer in the whole "this is all surface, i only care about surface, Bateman is nothing but a shell and therefor only sees the shells of other people." BUT FOR FUCKS SAKE, THE READER GETS THE POINT!!!  Get on with the violence and other humor pointing out things like that. I don't need it every bloody time. ugh. It has taken me three months to read this damn thing and im only half way threw it. When he's not going on and on about...."Libby is blond and wearing black grosgrain high-heeled evening shoes with exaggerated pointed toes and red stain bows by Yves Saint Laurent. daisy is....." there is actually some good writing, good black humor, and great violence. The book has now become a bathroom reader as it is the only time i can stand to open the stupid thing.  :argh!:

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Are you kidding?  If the book didn't have that, it wouldn't be half as creepy as it is.

finally finished it, finally. And i got your point when i read this...

"Favorite group: Talking Heads. Drink J&B or Absolute on the rocks. TV show: Late Night with David Letterman. Soda: Diet Pepsi. Water: Evian Sport: Baseball.
The conversation follows its own rolling accord - no real structure or topic or internal logic or feeling...Just words..."

Maybe I've just been to consumed with the fact that we're all surrounded by fluff and material bullshit and we all have the capacity to be horrific monsters while keeping up the facade.

Book was okay but the repeated over detail still annoyed me.





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Post by: Cain on March 31, 2010, 04:35:47 pm
Conservative Victory: Defeating Obama's Radical Agenda by Sean Hannity (for the lulz)
The Black Company by Glen Cook

And I've just picked up Alan Moore's Voice of the Fire, though I haven't read any yet.
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Post by: LMNO on March 31, 2010, 04:40:47 pm
Often, I am jealous that you read as much as I used to, i.e. two or more books sumultaneously.
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Post by: Cain on March 31, 2010, 04:44:40 pm
I often have several books on the go, but sometimes I find switching between them hard.  Especially fiction and non-fiction, since with the former, if I'm getting drawn into the plot, it can be very hard to go back to (for example) Hannity's histrionic ranting.  No matter how funny it is.  But yeah, I consider myself "reading it" if it is still incomplete and I haven't given up out of disgust or boredom, which could include books I haven't actually read in several days.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on April 01, 2010, 02:03:40 am
By that definition, I have books I'm reading that I haven't picked up for years <_<. I tend to just 'not get around to' finishing one book or another and eventually get to the point where I lose my place and need to start over.
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Post by: Cain on April 01, 2010, 10:32:35 am
Except I don't have ADHD, and so can actually finish a book if I'm interested in it, without years going by.
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Post by: Cainad (dec.) on April 01, 2010, 04:16:10 pm
I've been training myself to read the way I did when I was like 13. These days there's an incredibly annoying nagging sense that I ought to be doing something else with my time, and it takes some mental discipline to shut it up and actually enjoy the darn book.
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Post by: Cain on April 01, 2010, 05:21:11 pm
The Protest Psychosis: How Schizophrenia Became a Black Disease by Jonathan Metzl

From the blurb:

Revolution was in the air in the 1960s. Civil rights protests demanded attention on the airwaves and in the streets. Anger gave way to revolt, and revolt provided the elusive promise of actual change. But a very differentcivil rights history evolved at the Ionia State Hospital for the Criminally Insane in Ionia, Michigan. Here, far from the national glare of sit-ins, boycotts, or riots, African American men suddenly appeared in the asylum’s previously white, locked wards.Some of these men came to the attention of the state after participating in civil rights demonstrations, while others were sent by the military, the penal system, or the police. Though many of the men hailed from Detroit, ambulances and paddy wagons brought men from other urban centers as well. Once at Ionia, psychiatrists classified these men under a single diagnosis: schizophrenia. In The Protest Psychosis, psychiatrist and cultural critic Jonathan Metzl tells the shocking story of how schizophrenia became the diagnostic term overwhelmingly applied to African American men at the Ionia State Hospital, and how events at Ionia mirrored national conversations that increasingly linked blackness, madness, and civil rights. Expertly sifting through a vast array of cultural documents—from scientific literature, to music lyrics, to riveting, tragic hospital charts—Metzl shows how associations betweenschizophrenia and blackness emerged during the 1960s and 1970s in ways that directly reflected national political events. As he demonstrates, far from resulting from the racist intentions of individual doctors or the symptoms of specific patients, racializedschizophrenia grew from a much wider set of cultural shifts that defined the thoughts, actions, and even the politics of black men as being inherently insane. Ultimately, The Protest Psychosis provides a cautionary tale of how anxieties about race continue to impact doctor-patient interactions, even during our current, seemingly post-race era of genetics, pharmacokinetics, and brain scans.
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Post by: Brotep on April 01, 2010, 08:24:04 pm
^Damn, sounds like quite a read.


Picked up some more short stories by Neil Gaiman, and I've just started Lakoff & Johnson's Metaphors We Live By
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Post by: Freeky on April 02, 2010, 02:09:15 am
The Fifth Elephant - Terry Pratchett. Again.
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Post by: Jasper on April 02, 2010, 06:06:41 pm
The Fifth Elephant - Terry Pratchett. Again.

That's a good one, but, as with 1/3 of his books since I read them all in a two month period, I've forgotten most of what happens.
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Post by: Freeky on April 02, 2010, 06:09:04 pm
You should read it again, in that case. :D
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Post by: Juana Go? on April 02, 2010, 07:29:16 pm
The Protest Psychosis: How Schizophrenia Became a Black Disease by Jonathan Metzl

From the blurb:

Revolution was in the air in the 1960s. Civil rights protests demanded attention on the airwaves and in the streets. Anger gave way to revolt, and revolt provided the elusive promise of actual change. But a very differentcivil rights history evolved at the Ionia State Hospital for the Criminally Insane in Ionia, Michigan. Here, far from the national glare of sit-ins, boycotts, or riots, African American men suddenly appeared in the asylum’s previously white, locked wards.Some of these men came to the attention of the state after participating in civil rights demonstrations, while others were sent by the military, the penal system, or the police. Though many of the men hailed from Detroit, ambulances and paddy wagons brought men from other urban centers as well. Once at Ionia, psychiatrists classified these men under a single diagnosis: schizophrenia. In The Protest Psychosis, psychiatrist and cultural critic Jonathan Metzl tells the shocking story of how schizophrenia became the diagnostic term overwhelmingly applied to African American men at the Ionia State Hospital, and how events at Ionia mirrored national conversations that increasingly linked blackness, madness, and civil rights. Expertly sifting through a vast array of cultural documents—from scientific literature, to music lyrics, to riveting, tragic hospital charts—Metzl shows how associations betweenschizophrenia and blackness emerged during the 1960s and 1970s in ways that directly reflected national political events. As he demonstrates, far from resulting from the racist intentions of individual doctors or the symptoms of specific patients, racializedschizophrenia grew from a much wider set of cultural shifts that defined the thoughts, actions, and even the politics of black men as being inherently insane. Ultimately, The Protest Psychosis provides a cautionary tale of how anxieties about race continue to impact doctor-patient interactions, even during our current, seemingly post-race era of genetics, pharmacokinetics, and brain scans.
I need to get my hands on this book.

Unseen Academicals--Terry Pratchett
and
Swords and Deviltry--Fritz Leiber
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Post by: Cain on April 03, 2010, 03:11:06 pm
Shavenwolf and Hover Cat

http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/history_military/43654dfgsdfdsf.html
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Post by: Cain on April 06, 2010, 06:38:33 pm
Finally onto the Dust of Dreams, the most recently published (and second last) book in the Malazan Book Of The Fallen Series.  Once I finish this, I can get back to srs bizness reading.  Only 830 A4-sized pages to go...
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Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on April 06, 2010, 10:44:56 pm
I am reading The Sacred Art Of Stealing by Christopher Brookmyre. I just finished Boiling A Frog. The blurb on The Sacred Art Of Stealing mentions a dadaist bank robbery, so I am looking forward to this.
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Post by: Jasper on April 07, 2010, 12:15:17 am
You should read it again, in that case. :D

I actually might, but I gave away/got rid of all my fiction that wasn't particularly good sci-fi.
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Post by: Freeky on April 07, 2010, 01:25:25 am
For shame, Sig! :eek:
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Post by: Brotep on April 07, 2010, 02:15:04 am
Zoomed through the latest Dresden Files, and Robert Greene's Art of Seduction--again
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Post by: Jasper on April 18, 2010, 07:59:35 am
For shame, Sig! :eek:

Oops, that post belonged in the shame thread.  :lol:

I was, in my defense, not collecting books seriously at the time.  I've made up for it since then by inheriting a few different smart people's libraries.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on April 18, 2010, 02:54:44 pm
Finished Anathem, so I'm reading Proven Guilty, one of the Dresden Files books I skipped the first time.
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Post by: Freeky on April 18, 2010, 05:17:42 pm
I'm reading An Old Man's Toy By A. Zee (  :lol:  ). It's about Einstein's theory of relativity.
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Post by: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 05:38:02 pm
I'm reading An Old Man's Toy By A. Zee (  :lol:  ). It's about Einstein's theory of relativity.

That's the book that got me into physics.

How do you like it so far?
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Post by: Freeky on April 18, 2010, 05:53:32 pm
I'm reading An Old Man's Toy By A. Zee (  :lol:  ). It's about Einstein's theory of relativity.

That's the book that got me into physics.

How do you like it so far?

It's really good!  i don't have much time to read it, but it's interesting. :D
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Post by: Brotep on April 18, 2010, 05:59:13 pm
Just finished The Borderlands of Science: Where Sense Meets Nonsense by Michael Shermer and reread The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell
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Post by: Doktor Howl on April 18, 2010, 05:59:50 pm
Just finished The Borderlands of Science: Where Sense Meets Nonsense by Michael Shermer and reread The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

I still have Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 18, 2010, 07:04:24 pm
I think I'm still reading "Shrimp: The Quest for Pink Gold" and a collection of short stories and a novel called "Bloodroot" but it's been a while since I've gone to the bar.
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Post by: Richter on April 19, 2010, 12:35:54 am
Finished Anathem, so I'm reading Proven Guilty, one of the Dresden Files books I skipped the first time.

Good series.
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Post by: h-town on April 19, 2010, 07:08:18 am
I'm reading Coming of Age in the Milky Way by timothy ferris. Really good pop cosmology stuff so far.

I just picked up Jane Austin's Emma and The Crying of Lot 49. Emma is for a book club I do with my friends and I'm putting together a miracle fruit tasting party for the meeting. Should be fun.
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Post by: Placid Dingo on April 19, 2010, 08:40:53 am
Love Tipping Point. Blink is also good.

I have limited attention span and an Ipod Touch: Meaning that at any one time I'm going through 16 books simultaniously (because they all fit on the one screen together).

Now: Moby Dick, Atlas Shrugged, Grimm Tales, Wealth of Nations, Fairy Tales (Anderson), Last of the Mohoccans, Dracula, The Illiad, Autobiography of a Yogi, All's Well that ends well, Little Women, His Last Bow (Sherlock Holmes), The Bible, Herodotus: The Histories, The Secret Sharer and The Three Musketeers.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on April 19, 2010, 06:31:35 pm
I'm also skimming through "Nice Ways to Say Bad Things in English". It is amusing and very pretty on the Kindle.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on April 24, 2010, 10:41:54 am
I'm onto the 5th book in the Black Company series(Glen Cook)...It's getting a little dry, but I'm determined to power through it. I hear there's cake at the end....

I'm also going the The Watchmen again...well, because I like it.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on April 24, 2010, 04:44:36 pm
About halfway through The Diamond Age. On a Stephenson kick still, I guess.
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Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on April 27, 2010, 02:30:30 am
Just starting "Anti-Oedipus: capitalism & schizophrenia," and I've been looking forward to it for awhile now.  Also rereading Pattern Recognition (Gibson is my comfort fluff).  Really appreciating the lull between semesters, atm.
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Post by: BadBeast on April 27, 2010, 11:59:47 pm
About two thirds of the way through my third, or fourth reading of Moby Dick. Moby Dick is one of the few American books, that I (As British) would consider as a truly peerless example of how to write prose. Every time I read it, I find levels of meaning that I had perhaps not seen, or understood, (Or maybe forgotten) the previous time. Melville's talent for seeing the nobility in his characters, and settings really sets him apart from all of his contemparies, and into a very exclusive genre, consisting of only himself.
His singular style, and uncompromising, (and not ever particularly popular, or fashionable) style mean that it will (indeed, did) stand the test of time, without ever being faddy. And I think I will never be at a point in my life where I don't need to read it again.

Also dipping back into Frank Herbert again. But not Dune this time. I finished "Whipping Star" last week, and as soon as I'm through with that briny, pale ghost of the oceans, I'm going to crack on with "The Dosadi Experiment". These two books showed me that Herbert wasn't just a one trick pony, as my disillusionment at the third and fourth parts of Dune, had hinted. I think Dune was fantastic, but he left too many unexplored avenues in the original, to ever tie up neatly. But it's still probably one of my all time favourite "Genre" Sci-Fi books. That and  "The Skinner"
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Post by: Freeky on April 28, 2010, 01:48:21 am
Just finished Thieves' World (thanks Dok, so far my favorite character is Lythande :D ) and next I'm starting Tales from the Vulgar Unicorn. And then whatever book I just got from the library. :D
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Post by: BadBeast on April 28, 2010, 03:26:53 am
You really can't go wrong with PKD.
I always loved his writing, but the titles of his books almost seem like he got someone else to write them. Someone about four years old.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on April 28, 2010, 06:04:28 pm
Rereading The Difference Engine.

It's quite possible to go wrong with PKD. A couple of his short stories are awful. Novel-length stuff is typically a mindfuck, particularly anything written prior to A Scanner Darkly, but I'm not sure how much of that was intentional and how much of it was the product of trying to write a novel in the middle of an amphetamine binge, and continually forgetting about the continuity prior to the last few chapters.
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Post by: Faust on April 28, 2010, 06:33:38 pm
I'm starting the great Gatsby.

I just finished The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, its a good mystery despite the formal writing style (translation from Swedish probably tamed it a bit).
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Post by: Brotep on April 30, 2010, 11:55:25 pm
Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business
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Post by: Placid Dingo on May 03, 2010, 05:47:01 am
About two thirds of the way through my third, or fourth reading of Moby Dick. Moby Dick is one of the few American books, that I (As British) would consider as a truly peerless example of how to write prose. Every time I read it, I find levels of meaning that I had perhaps not seen, or understood, (Or maybe forgotten) the previous time. Melville's talent for seeing the nobility in his characters, and settings really sets him apart from all of his contemparies, and into a very exclusive genre, consisting of only himself.
His singular style, and uncompromising, (and not ever particularly popular, or fashionable) style mean that it will (indeed, did) stand the test of time, without ever being faddy. And I think I will never be at a point in my life where I don't need to read it again.

I Want to enjoy Moby Dick, but it annoys me that three out of four chapters are writing an encyclopedia instead of extending the action. I 'get' what's good about it (and when its good its great) but I just want to hear the story without all the diversions.
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Post by: Reeducation on May 03, 2010, 07:35:32 am
For Whom the Bell Tolls by Hemingway and The Complete Short Stories of Ambrose Bierce.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 03, 2010, 02:15:23 pm
About halfway through The Andromeda Strain.

Brotep, I have a copy of Postman's Technopoly and I can get a copy of the book you are reading for about fifty cents. Is it worth reading either? I was hoping to balance out my technoutopian attitude, but there's a tendency for books that counter it written by nontechnical people to be mostly bullshit.
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Post by: LMNO on May 03, 2010, 03:31:06 pm
About two thirds of the way through my third, or fourth reading of Moby Dick. Moby Dick is one of the few American books, that I (As British) would consider as a truly peerless example of how to write prose. Every time I read it, I find levels of meaning that I had perhaps not seen, or understood, (Or maybe forgotten) the previous time. Melville's talent for seeing the nobility in his characters, and settings really sets him apart from all of his contemparies, and into a very exclusive genre, consisting of only himself.
His singular style, and uncompromising, (and not ever particularly popular, or fashionable) style mean that it will (indeed, did) stand the test of time, without ever being faddy. And I think I will never be at a point in my life where I don't need to read it again.


I Want to enjoy Moby Dick, but it annoys me that three out of four chapters are writing an encyclopedia instead of extending the action. I 'get' what's good about it (and when its good its great) but I just want to hear the story without all the diversions.


Read only the even numbered chapters.  Srsly.
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Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on May 05, 2010, 06:23:23 pm
currently reading: BIP and Principa Discordia.  I came across PD bits on a subgenius site 5 or 6 years back.  I skimmed or scrolled, thought it was clever, copied a few quotes and ideas down in a notebook, but never spent any time with it.  When I found this place a few months ago, I read the BIP, but was in a heavy semester and didn’t have the headspace to take it in the way I want to now.

I’m enjoying reading them together.  They compliment each other, although BIP ‘speaks to me’ a little more.  But I’m a Welcome to the Machine kinda chick, so that makes sense.  And knowing some of what goes down here, having spent some good times going through the intermittens series and faust’s link page for noobs prior to getting noddy with ye olde sacred orthodox discordianisms (j/k) is really interesting.

... very glad I took my time getting to this.
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Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2010, 07:32:54 pm
Have you read the Machine™ (http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=What_is_The_Machine%28tm%29%3F) pamphlet?
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Post by: Salty on May 05, 2010, 07:41:53 pm
Just finished The Jungle by Upton Sinclair, which was amazingly awesome until the last chapter or so, where it was magically transformed into a (large) pamphlet advocating the miracle of socialism.

Now it's The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen.
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Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on May 05, 2010, 09:01:00 pm
Have you read the Machine™ (http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=What_is_The_Machine%28tm%29%3F) pamphlet?

 :fap:

I hadn't.  & Thanks!  Currently reading the 2006 thread linked at the bottom of the page.  Love thinking about how these ideas built on each other...
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Post by: Brotep on May 05, 2010, 10:55:56 pm
William S. Burroughs audio...Hilarious shit. Just finished listening to Apuk
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Post by: Jasper on May 06, 2010, 12:54:34 am
William S. Burroughs audio...Hilarious shit. Just finished listening to Apuk

Every time I listen to him talking, he breaks my fucking heart.

Sigmatic,
Just listened to "A Thanksgiving Prayer"
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Post by: Brotep on May 06, 2010, 03:47:00 am
Brotep, I have a copy of Postman's Technopoly and I can get a copy of the book you are reading for about fifty cents. Is it worth reading either? I was hoping to balance out my technoutopian attitude, but there's a tendency for books that counter it written by nontechnical people to be mostly bullshit.

Hmm...I haven't gotten into McLuhan's stuff yet, so I couldn't give much of a comparison. You seem to have more exposure to the subject matter than I do, so you might find AOTD a bit boring. It was also written during the eighties, and is primarily aimed at television.

For me it was a solid introductory text. I will dig into some McLuhan and get back to you on the comparison in the next couple days.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 06, 2010, 04:49:42 am
I think I missed something. Where did I mention McLuhan?

(Sorry. I'm not running on all five cylinders today)
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Post by: Brotep on May 06, 2010, 01:06:44 pm
I think I missed something. Where did I mention McLuhan?

(Sorry. I'm not running on all five cylinders today)

In the McLuhan thread. Postman drops McLuhan's name quite a bit in AOTD, which is why I brought it up ITT.
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Post by: Rococo Modem Basilisk on May 06, 2010, 06:11:08 pm
Oh, ok :-). McLuhan says a lot of stuff in very non-straightforward ways, so I might make the argument that things credited to McLuhan are a whole different bag of pears than things McLuhan actually said.
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Post by: Faust on May 06, 2010, 11:26:13 pm
William S. Burroughs audio...Hilarious shit. Just finished listening to Apuk
Is that the same as  Ah Pook? He played with the name of the mexican god to make it sound silly... er.

Finished the great Gatsby, thoroughly depressed now. Starting on Middlemarch on a friends suggestion, he says its good but its like a million pages long.
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Post by: Sister_Gothique on May 07, 2010, 07:07:54 pm
Just starting Cries Unheard: The Story Of Mary Bell by Gitta Sereny...
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Post by: Brotep on May 08, 2010, 02:21:32 am
William S. Burroughs audio...Hilarious shit. Just finished listening to Apuk
Is that the same as  Ah Pook? He played with the name of the mexican god to make it sound silly... er.

Yes, I think that is the spelling he uses...Only saw it briefly when I queued up the track.

Oh, ok :-). McLuhan says a lot of stuff in very non-straightforward ways, so I might make the argument that things credited to McLuhan are a whole different bag of pears than things McLuhan actually said.

Yeah, I am beginning to see what you mean. You should probably skip Amusing Ourselves to Death--again, it's a great intro text, but not so great on the in-depth analysis.
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Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 19, 2010, 08:35:18 am
I finally decided that I needed to read some Lovecraft. Amazon had the "ultimate collection" of his short stories fairly cheaply for the Kindle so I got that. Starting on "The Colour Out of Space" and will probably read "The Call of Cthulu" next. Any suggestions for after that?
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Post by: BadBeast on May 19, 2010, 08:54:06 am
William S. Burroughs audio...Hilarious shit. Just finished listening to Apuk

Every time I listen to him talking, he breaks my fucking heart.

Sigmatic,
Just listened to "A Thanksgiving Prayer"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXJN2_Btofc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCGs0jHiEVE&feature=related

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Post by: Triple Zero on May 19, 2010, 10:22:02 am
I finally decided that I needed to read some Lovecraft. Amazon had the "ultimate collection" of his short stories fairly cheaply for the Kindle so I got that. Starting on "The Colour Out of Space" and will probably read "The Call of Cthulu" next. Any suggestions for after that?

I liked Nyarlathotep (very short one) and Shadow over Innsmouth too.
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Post by: BadBeast on May 19, 2010, 10:33:25 am
I finally decided that I needed to read some Lovecraft. Amazon had the "ultimate collection" of his short stories fairly cheaply for the Kindle so I got that. Starting on "The Colour Out of Space" and will probably read "The Call of Cthulu" next. Any suggestions for after that?

I liked Nyarlathotep (very short one) and Shadow over Innsmouth too.


Before you read "Shadow over Innsmouth"  it's probably best to watch this little cautionary video first.
I wish I'd paid attention to that crazy, drunken man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI

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Post by: Triple Zero on May 19, 2010, 11:12:24 am
Oh, wow that was awesome!! :lol:

Not sure if you really should watch it before or after you read the story because of spoilers, but it's been a while since I read it so I forgot if these are spoilers?
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Post by: LMNO on May 19, 2010, 03:14:47 pm
"At the Mountains of Madness"
"Pickford's Model"
"The Lurking Fear"
"The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath"
"The Statement of Randolph Carter"
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Post by: Jasper on May 21, 2010, 03:57:09 am
The dark tower series. 

A bunch of TTC lectures.  Psych, cosmology, physics, history.  Good stuff.
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Post by: Brotep on May 22, 2010, 08:59:10 pm
Amusing Ourselves to Death, again. I went through it too fast last time, and it's been worth the second look so far.
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Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on June 03, 2010, 07:47:44 pm
Anathem - Neal Stephenson

Just a note - If you love sci-fi and wanted to read this, but were putting it off because of reviews saying it's difficult to figure out or get into?  IGNORE the reviewers!  It's fucking awesome.

[mid-way-through-the-book spoiler alert]

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    "Give me an adventure."
    In the moment that followed, Cord realized that this sounded weird, and lost her nerve.  She held up her hands.  "I'm not talking about some massive adventure.  Just something that would make getting fired seem small.  Something I might remember when I'm old."
    Now for the first time I reviewed everything that had happened in the past twelve hours.  It made me a little dizzy.
    "Raz?" she said, after a while.
    "I can't predict the future," I said, "but based on what little I know so far, I'm afraid it has to be massive adventure or nothing."
    "Great!"
    "Probably the kind of adventure that ends in a mass burial."
    That quieted her down a bit.  But after a while, she said: "Do you need transportation?  Tools?  Stuff?"
    "Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said.  "We have a protractor."
    "Okay, I'll go home and see if I can scrounge up a ruler and a piece of string."
    "That'd be great."
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Post by: LMNO on June 03, 2010, 08:00:00 pm
I've read it.  I enthusiastically endorse it.
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Post by: Juana Go? on June 03, 2010, 08:41:40 pm
That sounds very funny and I might have to read it.


Re-reading Polgara the Sorceress for the umpteenth time.
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Post by: noir on June 04, 2010, 06:06:37 pm
Just finished American Gods- Neil Gaiman
Fucking coolest novel i've read in a long time
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Post by: Jasper on June 04, 2010, 10:21:53 pm
That sounds very funny and I might have to read it.


Re-reading Polgara the Sorceress for the umpteenth time.

I read that.  And some of the sequels. 

Kinda samey.  First one was fun, the rest were all sort of....  the same?
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Post by: the last yatto on June 05, 2010, 01:55:22 am
Let Your Mind Alone by James Thurber


dont know if i can look at a card table the same way again :fap:
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Post by: Freeky on June 06, 2010, 08:39:21 am
PDCOM
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Post by: bds on June 06, 2010, 01:12:57 pm
I just finished Charlie Brooker's The Hell of It All and am now re-reading the 5 part Hitchhiker's Guide thingy.
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Post by: LMNO on June 07, 2010, 03:27:37 pm
Dad gave me a copy of The Code Book: The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography, by Simon Singh.  He's a good enough writer to keep the subject moving forward; plus, it's a pretty interesting subject.


Also, what I want to find next is a book called A Void, which is a translation of a French book called La Disparition.  The French book is a 200-page story that does not use the letter "E" in any way.

Amazingly enough, the english translation also doesn't use the letter "E".  I find this incredibly difficult to believe, and I have to see it for myself.  An excerpt:

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Noon rings out. A wasp, making an ominous sound, a sound akin to a klaxon or a tocsin, flits about. Augustus, who has had a bad night, sits up blinking and purblind. Oh what was that word (is his thought) that ran through my brain all night, that idiotic word that, hard as I'd try to pun it down, was always just an inch or two out of my grasp - fowl or foul or Vow or Voyal? - a word which, by association, brought into play an incongruous mass and magma of nouns, idioms, slogans and sayings, a confusing, amorphous outpouring which I sought in vain to control or turn off but which wound around my mind a whirlwind of a cord, a whiplash of a cord, a cord that would split again and again, would knit again and again, of words without communication or any possibility of combination, words without pronunciation, signification or transcription but out of which, notwithstanding, was brought forth a flux, a continuous, compact and lucid flow: an intuition, a vacillating frisson of illumination as if caught in a flash of lightning or in a mist abruptly rising to unshroud an obvious sign - but a sign, alas, that would last an instant only to vanish for good.
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Post by: the dreadful hours on June 07, 2010, 08:16:58 pm
the joy of cooking
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Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 08, 2010, 05:01:44 pm
Persepolis. Pretty interesting.
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Post by: Cain on June 22, 2010, 10:02:46 pm
Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare 1945-1960 by Christopher Simpson.

Been looking for this for forever, fills in certain interesting gaps in terrorism studies which might form a skeletal theory of state terrorism that I'm working on.
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Post by: Cain on June 24, 2010, 08:22:02 pm
Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance by Alexander Zaitchik (former editor of The eXile and investigative reporter).

What kind of disc jockey would telephone the wife of a competitor and, over live radio, belittle her and her husband about her recent miscarriage? What kind of patriot would con his listeners into donating $450,000 to finance a series of Rally for America events that turned out to be nothing but a personal promotional tour? What kind of talk-radio host would falsely describe the president of the United States as a communist and black nationalist out to enslave Americans? The purveyor of such tactics—and worse—can only be America's newest household conservative name: Glenn Beck.

In Common Nonsense, investigative reporter Alexander Zaitchik traces Beck's personal history, from his troubled childhood through his years as a "morning zoo" DJ to his sudden and meteoric rise to the top of the conservative media heap. He pays special attention to Beck's transformation from alcoholic, cocaine-snorting, failed disc jockey without a political thought in his head to wealthy, bile-spewing, right-wing demagogue whose radio and television shows form the core of a multimillion-dollar media empire.

Drawing on interviews with Beck's childhood friends, radio coworkers, and TV colleagues as well as Beck's own published accounts of his life, Zaitchik reveals the cracks in Beck's personal creation myth. He pinpoints the moment when Beck, then working in Tampa and about to be fired from his first-ever talk-radio job, discovered right-wing rabble-rousing as his route to long-sought fame and fortune. He shows how Beck adapted the timeworn gags and manipulations of radio hucksterism—including the audience donation drive—into powerful tools for propaganda and personal enrichment. He also demonstrates how Beck's screeds about ACORN, czars, and socialists are carefully honed to intensify his listeners' fears and spur them to action at a time and place of his choosing.

Beck's manipulations are not aimed exclusively at conservative Tea Party activists. One of his favorite gambits, Zaitchik reveals, is to make outrageous statements—such as calling President Obama a racist—to provoke angry and overwrought reactions from the Left. He knows that nothing burnishes his reputation as a right-wing hero victimized by political correctness more effectively than a barrage of scoldings from the "liberal elite."

You can laugh at his crocodile tears, shake your head at the "facts" out of which he spins his wild theories, gape in wonder at his abrupt transitions from cheap sentiment to vicious attack and back again—but do not underestimate Glenn Beck. Read Common Nonsense and discover how this smart, ambitious self-promoter and his devoted flock poison our political discourse and weaken our democracy.
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Post by: LMNO on June 24, 2010, 08:24:48 pm
That book wouldn't happen to be in a format of ones and zeroes, would it?
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Post by: Cain on June 24, 2010, 08:25:58 pm
 :fap:
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Post by: LMNO on June 24, 2010, 08:26:44 pm
Goodness gracious!  Whatever is that doing there!?






Thanks, man. 
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Post by: Richter on June 25, 2010, 05:07:45