Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: Kaienne on July 15, 2007, 09:45:03 am

Title: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 15, 2007, 09:45:03 am
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 15, 2007, 10:47:40 am
Awfully deluded, aren't you?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 15, 2007, 11:14:28 am
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.

Does this mean that, hypothetically speaking, if someone were to gun you down (or, say, grind you up with pee stained dentures) before you wrote it, they would also be changing the world by ensuring that you never write this book?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 15, 2007, 02:10:58 pm
Will this book also correct your English so I do not cringe upon reading it?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 15, 2007, 02:54:28 pm
I will title this book '42'.

Douglas Adams on 42: "The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do.' I typed it out. End of story."

just sayin
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Forteetu on July 15, 2007, 03:50:36 pm

"Sorry for the inconvenience"


nuff sed ...
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 15, 2007, 04:43:35 pm
Not all prophets know they're prophets.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 15, 2007, 04:46:52 pm
But you do?

Thats great for you, I guess.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 15, 2007, 05:10:15 pm
Prophets = just another form of target.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 15, 2007, 05:58:58 pm
I will title this book '42'.

Douglas Adams on 42: "The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do.' I typed it out. End of story."

just sayin

5 and 23 were already taken. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on July 15, 2007, 07:01:12 pm
Religion = a prophet and laws account  :lulz:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 15, 2007, 10:15:55 pm
Aww, c'mon. No "Discordianism is a non-prophet religion"?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Mangrove on July 15, 2007, 10:48:09 pm
Religion = a prophet and laws account  :lulz:


 :lulz:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 16, 2007, 03:35:49 pm
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.


And subsequently get sued for plagerism?



Srsly, don't steal other people's jokes.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 16, 2007, 03:42:52 pm
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.


And subsequently get sued for plagerism?



Srsly, don't steal other people's jokes.

But funnay =/= just repeating things other people have said?

I CAN'T HANDLE THIS, LMNO. DON'T SHAKE UP MY WORLD LIKE THIS.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 16, 2007, 03:47:46 pm
LOL, conception of humor ruined.







O DID U C WHUT I DID THAR?




UM.... AND THAR?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 16, 2007, 08:14:36 pm
LOL, conception of humor ruined.







O DID U C WHUT I DID THAR?




UM.... AND THAR?

THAR SHE BLOWS

-DC
Readying her whaling harpoons and going fishing for some funnay!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 16, 2007, 08:38:13 pm
Whales are not fish.   :D
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 16, 2007, 09:40:02 pm
Whales are not fish.   :D

Hey, I know that! I watched "Ace Venture: Pet Detective," thank you!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 19, 2007, 04:05:16 am
Uh. I think just titling a book as a number is vague enough to avoid getting sued by a dead guy.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 19, 2007, 03:53:30 pm
It's not about the legal implications.


It's about you using a stupid joke that someone else used before you, with much more skill than you.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 19, 2007, 04:34:49 pm
In 2 decades she'll realize that.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 19, 2007, 05:02:26 pm
Don't judge it until you've read it.  :evilmad:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 19, 2007, 05:08:37 pm
If your little book actually wows my intellect, and alters my perception, I'll drop what I'm doing, move to Toronto, and call you master.

Right now I'm considering doing that to Chris Angel.

Until then, I'll make fun of the fact that you think you're special.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 19, 2007, 05:32:26 pm
That guy fucks me up. I need to figure out how he does the walking on water business.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 19, 2007, 05:36:38 pm
That's why he's in the lead.

It irks me that I will probably die, never knowing how he did some of that shit.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 19, 2007, 09:05:17 pm
Uh. I think just titling a book as a number is vague enough to avoid getting sued by a dead guy.

are you that stupid?

this was not our point.

copyright was not the point.

THE POINT IS what D-CUP said:

funnay =/= just repeating things other people have said?

where the =/= means "IS NOT"

so, repeat after me,

funnay IS NOT just repeating things other people have said.

period.

this means that titling your book "42" is not funny. since we also have established that it has nothing to do with the actual meaning of life, universe and everything, WHY do you want to title your book "42" ?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 19, 2007, 09:07:19 pm
because that's how many street kids are going to survive the nuclear hollocaust and subsequentally take over the world. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Random Probability on July 19, 2007, 11:22:20 pm
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.

You shouldn't have stopped taking your medication.

Just saying.....
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 12:44:18 am
Kaienne,

Don't worry, some of the old farts around here get grumpy when they haven't had a fnordling to chew on for awhile.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 20, 2007, 02:38:44 am
Don't worry, they are a never-ending source of hilarity for me.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 03:34:00 am
I can't wait to visit every single one of you cheery fuckers and show you what's up.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 03:43:01 am
I can't wait to visit every single one of you cheery fuckers and show you what's up.

Aren't you supposed to add the sagging jowls and spittle when you say that?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 03:43:57 am
No, just the righteous wrath.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 03:48:16 am
No, just the righteous wrath.

Is that the Zeus sort or the YHVH sort?

Personally I prefer lightning bolts. Rubber boots don't help much with Fire, Brimstone, locusts or leprosy.

Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 03:49:06 am
No, the rampaging Hunter S Durden sort.

He's one mean motherfucker.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 03:50:10 am
I can't wait to visit every single one of you cheery fuckers and show you what's up.

Aren't you supposed to add the sagging jowls and spittle when you say that?

I'm flattered that that's what came to mind.

I can't wait to be old.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 03:50:40 am
No, the rampaging Hunter S Durden sort.

He's one mean motherfucker.

Ah I was slightly concerned for a minute... I really don't like leprosy.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 03:51:52 am
My weapons are beard and chest kicks.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 03:52:51 am
I can't wait to visit every single one of you cheery fuckers and show you what's up.

Aren't you supposed to add the sagging jowls and spittle when you say that?

I'm flattered that that's what came to mind.

I can't wait to be old.

When you're older, we'll have to restrain you. With a sniper rifle.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 03:54:48 am
My weapons are beard and chest kicks.

Can you beard do roundhouse kicks?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 03:57:34 am
Not quite.
The attack is beard.

It's not "my beard punches" or "my beard shoots."

My beard beards.

The word beard is starting to sound fake.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 04:00:28 am
Not quite.
The attack is beard.

It's not "my beard punches" or "my beard shoots."

My beard beards.

The word beard is starting to sound fake.

All words are fake. Even fake ones like 'fake'.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 04:02:32 am
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/PayneAlpha/HSD.jpg)

I am the way and the beard, and the beard is hate.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 04:03:30 am
I need to give an updated pic.

My beard has more rage now.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 04:04:24 am
 :eek:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 04:05:51 am
I'm in training.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 04:06:52 am
Be sure to pass the pics onto WOMP, for great justice, and favourable propoganda in your role as King of Scotland.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 04:07:03 am
I need to give an updated pic.

My beard has more rage now.

Rage Against the Manchu?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 20, 2007, 12:44:10 pm
Kaienne,

Don't worry, some of the old farts around here get grumpy when they haven't had a fnordling to chew on for awhile.

hey

i dunno about the others, but i only flame when faced with someone who seems oblivious to any sort of regular critique.

does that make me a grumpy old fart whose posts you advise people not to worry about?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on July 20, 2007, 01:06:56 pm

are you that stupid?

this was not our point.

copyright was not the point.

THE POINT IS what D-CUP said:

funnay =/= just repeating things other people have said?

where the =/= means "IS NOT"

so, repeat after me,

funnay IS NOT just repeating things other people have said.

period.

this means that titling your book "42" is not funny. since we also have established that it has nothing to do with the actual meaning of life, universe and everything, WHY do you want to title your book "42" ?

quoted for teh funnay
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 20, 2007, 02:19:52 pm
Also quoted so that eventually the question "Why title it 42?" will actually be answered instead of avoided.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 02:40:00 pm
Yeah, so why 42?  Is it a book of cliches?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 20, 2007, 04:06:45 pm
Nah man, it's gonna be a manual to understanding life and the universe (and generally everything). Like the Vedas, only with just a touch less metaphor.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 05:02:42 pm
Hint: Ease off on the drugs.
They're not helping.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on July 20, 2007, 05:03:53 pm
2nd opinion don't give up on the drugs. Maybe you just need to take moar
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 05:06:36 pm
A certain amount helps, but I'm tired of these chemically loaded fuckers telling me they've pieced everything together.

Pssst - It's not real. It's the chemicals.

Haven't we been over this?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 20, 2007, 05:09:01 pm
A certain amount helps, but I'm tired of these chemically loaded fuckers telling me they've pieced everything together.

Pssst - It's not real. It's the chemicals.

Haven't we been over this?

THE MOTORCYCLE. It does the dance of correct!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 20, 2007, 05:28:33 pm
A certain amount helps, but I'm tired of these chemically loaded fuckers telling me they've pieced everything together.

Pssst - It's not real. It's the chemicals.

Haven't we been over this?

THE MOTORCYCLE. It does the dance of correct!
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/PayneAlpha/TITDM.png)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 20, 2007, 05:31:53 pm
There is nothing I love more than getting a hot Honda between my legs. 8)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 05:51:18 pm
     Really?
        /
(http://www.defunctgames.com/pic/characters001d.jpg)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 06:17:07 pm
Kaienne,

Don't worry, some of the old farts around here get grumpy when they haven't had a fnordling to chew on for awhile.

hey

i dunno about the others, but i only flame when faced with someone who seems oblivious to any sort of regular critique.

does that make me a grumpy old fart whose posts you advise people not to worry about?

Dunno... why do you feel the need to flame someone who is oblivious to your critique? Does your opinion seem that important to you? More interestingly, why should your critique be considered useful by someone else? Hell, you're a pseudonym on a Discordian message board, why would anyone consider a critique from such a source to be useful?

Do you believe that Kaienne is wrong? Do you believe that you have the true information to correct him/her/it? So what if she/he/it (still haven't quite figured it out) has only started to scratch the surface of ideas many of us have already prodded? When I first became a Discordian, I was excited about pineal glands and 42 and 23 and 5, then I learned (through my own research, not through the lame flames of other Discordians) what seems to be the key behind some of those ideas.

Who the hell cares if Kaienne thinks that (what is the contraction for She/He/It...) she-he-it will write a book called 42 and it will contain THE secrets of Life? Does that make your life less interesting for you (if so, I wonder who really has the problem)? Good Flames rarely improve the behavior of anyone, they rarely see a different concept or have their perceptions modified by it, and honestly, what's been posted here, seems to me, pathetic excuses for "flames" .  I mean the lack of creativity, the the repetitious manner of the content... its enough to make the baby Eris cry a little bit.

Sometimes flames can be appropriate. I think the thread "BIP - Just Call Me Nigger To My Face" fits the bill quite nicely. The idiot tried to force his lame ideas on us, and he got what he deserved. Kaienne just posted a dumb idea that many of us have heard before (along with the dumb "Ideal Discordian" and "DMT is IN YOU"! stuff). However, that's the same sort of thing  many Discordians have gone through... to flame someone for being at the beginning of the path seems rather pathetic to me.

So many here seem to have an aversion to the memes of Discordianism. Not just adverse, but downright hostile. I love the trappings of classic Discordianism. They're tribal memes and I'm proud to be part of that tribe of philosophers and madmen. That doesn't mean that I MUST use them, or that I think they hold the secrets to the universe (in a specific sense), but I sure as hell don't mind the kids in the tribe getting excited. I feel no more animosity toward Kaienne, than I do toward the little kid that thinks Santa is real. They'll both learn in their own time.

Since I started hanging out here, I've noticed this tendency for flamefests to appear whenever some poor n00b hits one of the old Standards. I have to wonder how much people may see themselves and if self-loathing might be behind such a reaction.

So yes, flames about how lame someone is for using the Discordian tribal memes, seems to me an indicator that someone has grown old and crotchety as a Discordian. An almost Scrooge or Grinch-like reaction to the wonder and innocence of the youth of our Tribe... or not, your mileage may vary and past performance is not indicative of future results. This post is Void where prohibited.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 07:31:05 pm
Who deleted my awesome "shit" answer?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 07:32:15 pm
Mod #3?

Calm down everyone, just joking. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 07:35:02 pm
Mod #3?

Who the fuck is that?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 20, 2007, 07:35:28 pm
I just want my damn question answered.

WHY title it 42?

I have no problem with people using memes of Discordianism now and again, because we all fall prey sometimes. However, if this is supposed to be some incredibly significant and ground-breaking book that has All The Answers (which first off, claiming to have them is pretty pretentious) and yet the best possible title is something that has already be done... That's a pretty shitty start. Think for yourself. Isn't that one of the important parts of Discordianism? Don't just keep spitting out whatever pop culture feeds you?

So if Kaienne will ever answer WHY the book must be named 42, then I will make my decision.

However, no argument has been made that it is anything other than regurgitation of something already done. And if that's all it is, why bother saying this book is going to be written? Douglas Adams already wrote it.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of crotchety and the suchlike on this board. You're certainly not the first to observe it. It just so happens that this board has collected many of the jerks of Discordia. :lol: Every sub-group of a group will have a flavor, and that's the flavor, for the most part (certainly not universally) of this particular group.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 07:38:42 pm
No!
Me first!
Who deleted it?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 07:39:54 pm
Mod #3?

Who the fuck is that?

It was a reference to the good ole days when we had anonymous moderators.  When they modded something they would comment as Moderator #1 or Moderator #2, etc.  But I was just joking.  I don't remember seeing your post so I have no clue what happened. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 07:50:03 pm
(what is the contraction for She/He/It...)

I answered this question, "Shit."

Now it's gone.

Someone's up to something.

Get out here you cowardly bastard!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Thurnez Isa on July 20, 2007, 07:50:20 pm
are you sure it posted correctly Hunter?

I dont remember the post either
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 07:51:31 pm
Have you been on for the last 2 hours?

Perhaps I'm starting an episode.
If so, you guys are in for a treat!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 20, 2007, 07:54:14 pm
moderation log shows no record of anything. I think you probably just missed the "post reply" button.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 07:59:34 pm
It might have stalled out.  I've had that happen to me. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 08:03:08 pm
(what is the contraction for She/He/It...)

I answered this question, "Shit."

Now it's gone.

Someone's up to something.

Get out here you cowardly bastard!



Well that was my intent with the "She-He-It"... glad you got it :)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 20, 2007, 08:05:28 pm
Works best if you say it with a southern accent.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 20, 2007, 08:12:16 pm
i'm gonna read ratatosk's long post tomorrow when i'm a bit more sober and may possible make a sensible reply to it as well.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 08:13:38 pm
No!

Be rash and impulsive.

Start offensively and work from there.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 08:15:37 pm
I just want my damn question answered.

WHY title it 42?

I have no problem with people using memes of Discordianism now and again, because we all fall prey sometimes. However, if this is supposed to be some incredibly significant and ground-breaking book that has All The Answers (which first off, claiming to have them is pretty pretentious) and yet the best possible title is something that has already be done... That's a pretty shitty start. Think for yourself. Isn't that one of the important parts of Discordianism? Don't just keep spitting out whatever pop culture feeds you?

So if Kaienne will ever answer WHY the book must be named 42, then I will make my decision.

However, no argument has been made that it is anything other than regurgitation of something already done. And if that's all it is, why bother saying this book is going to be written? Douglas Adams already wrote it.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of crotchety and the suchlike on this board. You're certainly not the first to observe it. It just so happens that this board has collected many of the jerks of Discordia. :lol: Every sub-group of a group will have a flavor, and that's the flavor, for the most part (certainly not universally) of this particular group.

Well, I assumed that Kaienne wasn't being entirely serious about the thing and was just making an attempt at a DA reference. I don't think SheHeIt really believes that 42 IS the actual answer.

I see the n00b's 42,23,5,etc meme references as someone attempting to speak the language of our tribe and I welcome it. I want people in my tribe to share some experiences, ideas and memes. They don't need to match or even agree... but there's something to be said for a semblance of tribal identity.

Besides, thinking for yourself doesn't mean that everything you say must be completely original and unique (cause that isn't gonna happen for any of us). Thinking for yourself, can simply be considering all the options before choosing one. That is, I could choose to write some piece of poetry to end this with, or I could select one that I think particularly fitting, which may reference our tribal memes and perhaps give someone pause for thought. I will choose which to do and thus Think for Myself.


And when men become free then mankind will be free.
May you be free of The Curse of Greyface.
May the Goddess put twinkles in your eyes.
May you have the knowledge of a sage,
and the wisdom of a child.
Hail Eris.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 08:17:36 pm
We're going with she by the way.

She's expressed much desire to be she, most of us honor that.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 20, 2007, 08:19:13 pm
Since when was Adams a Discordian, anyway?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 08:19:27 pm

I see the n00b's 42,23,5,etc meme references as someone attempting to speak the language of our tribe and I welcome it. I want people in my tribe to share some experiences, ideas and memes. They don't need to match or even agree... but there's something to be said for a semblance of tribal identity.

But you see, that's just it.  This tribe's identity has always been one that is interested in NOT using these meme references because the feeling is that they are played out.  I think what you've been reading is the tribe voicing that identity.  Sure, it may not be coated in rainbows and puppy dogs.  But, little is in these parts.  
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 08:19:48 pm
We're going with she by the way.

She's expressed much desire to be she, most of us honor that.

Ah very good the... replace all areas of shady identity with She when reading my posts :)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 20, 2007, 08:25:23 pm
Tribal memes work, as a way of identifying each other/forming a first initial bond.

However, everyone needs to move past that. That is simply surface, if you will. That is, the impression I get, somewhat the purpose of the 50 post rule. Do your thing, but then move past it. Get on to other things, things that are of more significance than just gestures and generic symbols. One thing I tend to dislike about so many other social groups/religions/what-have-you is the clinging to and being into the ground of symbols, whereas we tend to avoid that, or at least attempt to avoid that, here.

I think I have more to say, but the office phone keeps ringing and I keep having to answer it, so my train of thought keeps getting derailed. Sorry! :wink:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 08:27:34 pm

I see the n00b's 42,23,5,etc meme references as someone attempting to speak the language of our tribe and I welcome it. I want people in my tribe to share some experiences, ideas and memes. They don't need to match or even agree... but there's something to be said for a semblance of tribal identity.

But you see, that's just it.  This tribe's identity has always been one that is interested in NOT using these meme references because the feeling is that they are played out.  I think what you've been reading is the tribe voicing that identity.  Sure, it may not be coated in rainbows and puppy dogs.  But, little is in these parts. 

Well, as the Lady said: What's wrong with that, if its what you want to do?

You can voice whatever you like... never said you couldn't. I only responded to why I considered it an old crotchety response.

If you want to be the Grinch, then be the Grinch. Just don't be surprised when you find that your fur has turned green and you're perched precariously on the point of a pinnacle, while a band of Discordians laugh at life in the village below.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 08:28:13 pm
It must also be realized that PD is not just a discordian board, it's a cabal.

Think about it.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 08:31:24 pm

I see the n00b's 42,23,5,etc meme references as someone attempting to speak the language of our tribe and I welcome it. I want people in my tribe to share some experiences, ideas and memes. They don't need to match or even agree... but there's something to be said for a semblance of tribal identity.

But you see, that's just it.  This tribe's identity has always been one that is interested in NOT using these meme references because the feeling is that they are played out.  I think what you've been reading is the tribe voicing that identity.  Sure, it may not be coated in rainbows and puppy dogs.  But, little is in these parts. 

Well, as the Lady said: What's wrong with that, if its what you want to do?

You can voice whatever you like... never said you couldn't. I only responded to why I considered it an old crotchety response.

If you want to be the Grinch, then be the Grinch. Just don't be surprised when you find that your fur has turned green and you're perched precariously on the point of a pinnacle, while a band of Discordians laugh at life in the village below.

But why are you calling it an "old crotchety" response, as opposed to a tribal response without an age qualifier?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 20, 2007, 08:37:52 pm
the thing is, we pointed out with some good arguments that "42" is a stupid title for such a book, but she's adamant in not taking it seriously.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 09:10:09 pm
Tribal memes work, as a way of identifying each other/forming a first initial bond.

However, everyone needs to move past that. That is simply surface, if you will. That is, the impression I get, somewhat the purpose of the 50 post rule. Do your thing, but then move past it. Get on to other things, things that are of more significance than just gestures and generic symbols. One thing I tend to dislike about so many other social groups/religions/what-have-you is the clinging to and being into the ground of symbols, whereas we tend to avoid that, or at least attempt to avoid that, here.

Is the problem (with these other social groups) a dogmatic stance on the memes, or is it the fact that they have a dogmatic stance?

One might be as dogmatically against a set of memes, as for the same set, perhaps?

Why  does everyone need to move past the PD? Is there some great and important truth to be laid on us all? Have any of us truly figured out what's going on? Are we now to be shepherds of a flock, defining what is and isn't acceptable when "thinking for oneself"?

the thing is, we pointed out with some good arguments that "42" is a stupid title for such a book, but she's adamant in not taking it seriously.

Err, but I thought not taking it seriously was a hallmark of our playtime....
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 20, 2007, 09:14:22 pm
nope

sorry we just put out that label to attract moar idiots.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 09:14:29 pm
Isn't moving past the PD the point of the PD?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 09:20:40 pm
Isn't moving past the PD the point of the PD?

can I get an amen?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 09:20:45 pm
But why are you calling it an "old crotchety" response, as opposed to a tribal response without an age qualifier?

It's metaphorical, I think. The response by sombunal members of this cabal when a n00b wanders in excited by fnords and 23's and flax, seems very similar to those jaded professors that see every new student as just another wide eyed fool, who will grow up and get it someday. Or the old and crotchety folk who curse at the kids for their loud music and their stupid clothes... forgetting that swing and zoot suits were once seen the same way.

You choose how to act, and I'll choose how to interpret what I perceive. Just as with everything else, I might be wrong. Maybe we shouldn't let people play in Discordianism. Maybe we should Demand that they immediately cast off what they just found.

Hating a class of memes, loving a class of memes or playing with classes of memes... we all get to choose.

Isn't moving past the PD the point of the PD?

If you think that you can define "The Point" of the Principia Discordia, then I think you might have missed the point. ;-)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 20, 2007, 09:22:25 pm
If you think that you can define "The Point" of the Principia Discordia, then I think you might have missed the point. ;-)

So it has no point?
Fuck that book, I've got shit to do.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 20, 2007, 09:23:58 pm
similar to those jaded professors that see every new student as just another wide eyed fool, who will grow up and get it someday.

usually the professors turn out to be right, tho.

and if they aren't they're stupid idiots.

but the way they act about their point has nothing to do with whether they're right or wrong.

Quote
Isn't moving past the PD the point of the PD?

If you think that you can define "The Point" of the Principia Discordia, then I think you might have missed the point. ;-)

IN DISCORDIA, POINT MISSES YOU!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 20, 2007, 09:36:12 pm
Kaienne opened this thread with a summary of a book she wishes to produce ending with the proposed title.  Since this was proposed on a discussion board, the implication is that she was looking for subsequent discussion concerning her idea. 

Discussion ensued.  Many thought the title of the book was cliche, which I find to be a valid criticism. 

I don't think it really has all that much to do with what brand of Discordianism we want everyone to practice, or any other idea like that.  It was simple criticism.  Sure, maybe it was a bit ascerbic, but, since when is that new around here? 

Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 09:48:18 pm
If you think that you can define "The Point" of the Principia Discordia, then I think you might have missed the point. ;-)

So it has no point?
Fuck that book, I've got shit to do.


DING! You get the Kewpie Doll!!!

If the PD has a point, it seems that point exists in the mind of the reader. I got lots of points out of the book and not one of them was "Get past the PD".

For me (and my reality tunnel) the PD has provided me with many points. I think Nonsense As Salvation may sum up a core tenant of what Greg, Kerry and the rest of those nutballs were trying to communicate. Order, Disorder, Chaos, Constancy, Discord and Harmony... all places to play. All things to experience. All ways to impose a grid on reality.

Sometimes I think people try so hard to Think For Themselves that they form robotic responses... when thats within a tribe it may quickly become dogma. But, maybe I'm wrong.

similar to those jaded professors that see every new student as just another wide eyed fool, who will grow up and get it someday.

usually the professors turn out to be right, tho.

and if they aren't they're stupid idiots.

but the way they act about their point has nothing to do with whether they're right or wrong.

I don't disagree. Personally, I think that most Discordians eventually give up or figure out the first level of the punchline. The longer someone holds to the Discordian paths, the more bits of the punchline they seem to get. Sometimes though, some Discordians get to the first or second level of the punchline and think they've figured it all out. Sometimes Discordians seem to think that they've figured something out and they try to tell the punchline to all the n00bs that haven't even got to the end of the joke yet.

There are many kinds of professors. Some as I said, jaded and serious, without any empathy for the student who is excited over the possibilities of Quantum Physics and slit experiments. Others enjoy the naivety of the student and their excitement, often rekindling their own excitement over something that they see everyday. My mentor was like that and I have chosen to act in a similar fashion about Discordianism.

Neither professor is necessarily right or wrong. But, some are old and crotchety.

I suppose it depends on how easily you can swap models. I like to play in the Erisian model, switch to the more philosophical Discordian model, jump into the Sub Genius model for a good devival and then hop out of all of those and pull of some serious Chaos Magic, or design a new system at the office. Getting stuck in only one of those models seems anathema not only to the PD (and some of the philosophies of Bob's that I like), but anathema to the choices I've made since escaping restrictive reality tunnels.

Like what you like, Enjoy what you enjoy... and so will I ;-)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 20, 2007, 09:50:54 pm
Kaienne opened this thread with a summary of a book she wishes to produce ending with the proposed title.  Since this was proposed on a discussion board, the implication is that she was looking for subsequent discussion concerning her idea. 

Discussion ensued.  Many thought the title of the book was cliche, which I find to be a valid criticism. 

I don't think it really has all that much to do with what brand of Discordianism we want everyone to practice, or any other idea like that.  It was simple criticism.  Sure, maybe it was a bit ascerbic, but, since when is that new around here? 



Quite possibly. Which is why I made the comment that I did. Though instead of saying:

"Don't worry newbie, our conversations are a bit ascerbic at times"
 
I said, "Don't worry, some of the old farts around here get grumpy when they haven't had a fnordling to chew on for awhile."

Not my fault if some people don't like the comparison  :fnord:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Slarti on July 21, 2007, 02:00:57 am
Kaienne,

Don't worry, some of the old farts around here get grumpy when they haven't had a fnordling to chew on for awhile.

hey

i dunno about the others, but i only flame when faced with someone who seems oblivious to any sort of regular critique.

does that make me a grumpy old fart whose posts you advise people not to worry about?

Dunno... why do you feel the need to flame someone who is oblivious to your critique? Does your opinion seem that important to you? More interestingly, why should your critique be considered useful by someone else? Hell, you're a pseudonym on a Discordian message board, why would anyone consider a critique from such a source to be useful?

Do you believe that Kaienne is wrong? Do you believe that you have the true information to correct him/her/it? So what if she/he/it (still haven't quite figured it out) has only started to scratch the surface of ideas many of us have already prodded? When I first became a Discordian, I was excited about pineal glands and 42 and 23 and 5, then I learned (through my own research, not through the lame flames of other Discordians) what seems to be the key behind some of those ideas.

Who the hell cares if Kaienne thinks that (what is the contraction for She/He/It...) she-he-it will write a book called 42 and it will contain THE secrets of Life? Does that make your life less interesting for you (if so, I wonder who really has the problem)? Good Flames rarely improve the behavior of anyone, they rarely see a different concept or have their perceptions modified by it, and honestly, what's been posted here, seems to me, pathetic excuses for "flames" .  I mean the lack of creativity, the the repetitious manner of the content... its enough to make the baby Eris cry a little bit.

Sometimes flames can be appropriate. I think the thread "BIP - Just Call Me Nigger To My Face" fits the bill quite nicely. The idiot tried to force his lame ideas on us, and he got what he deserved. Kaienne just posted a dumb idea that many of us have heard before (along with the dumb "Ideal Discordian" and "DMT is IN YOU"! stuff). However, that's the same sort of thing  many Discordians have gone through... to flame someone for being at the beginning of the path seems rather pathetic to me.

So many here seem to have an aversion to the memes of Discordianism. Not just adverse, but downright hostile. I love the trappings of classic Discordianism. They're tribal memes and I'm proud to be part of that tribe of philosophers and madmen. That doesn't mean that I MUST use them, or that I think they hold the secrets to the universe (in a specific sense), but I sure as hell don't mind the kids in the tribe getting excited. I feel no more animosity toward Kaienne, than I do toward the little kid that thinks Santa is real. They'll both learn in their own time.

Since I started hanging out here, I've noticed this tendency for flamefests to appear whenever some poor n00b hits one of the old Standards. I have to wonder how much people may see themselves and if self-loathing might be behind such a reaction.

So yes, flames about how lame someone is for using the Discordian tribal memes, seems to me an indicator that someone has grown old and crotchety as a Discordian. An almost Scrooge or Grinch-like reaction to the wonder and innocence of the youth of our Tribe... or not, your mileage may vary and past performance is not indicative of future results. This post is Void where prohibited.

 :potd:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: hunter s.durden on July 21, 2007, 04:17:37 am
Fuck Discordianism.

Dead serious.
I'm out.
I'm tired of this really real bullshit.

My new religion is "Broke Pinkgenius."
I wanna be a Subgenius, but I don't have 30 dollars.

I'm the only motherfucker in the religion, so I know more about it than every single one of you shit-heads.

At one point, as a Discordian pope, I could do that. I could excommunicate everyone and make it my own religion. Somehow though, the Really Reals, and Pinealists, and Art Majors, took that away from me.

Eat my shit.
I am God.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 21, 2007, 05:24:15 am
Fuck Discordianism.

Dead serious.
I'm out.
I'm tired of this really real bullshit.

My new religion is "Broke Pinkgenius."
I wanna be a Subgenius, but I don't have 30 dollars.

I'm the only motherfucker in the religion, so I know more about it than every single one of you shit-heads.

At one point, as a Discordian pope, I could do that. I could excommunicate everyone and make it my own religion. Somehow though, the Really Reals, and Pinealists, and Art Majors, took that away from me.

Eat my shit.
I am God.

now THAT is the :potd:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Slarti on July 21, 2007, 07:52:24 am
Fuck Discordianism.

Dead serious.
I'm out.
I'm tired of this really real bullshit.

My new religion is "Broke Pinkgenius."
I wanna be a Subgenius, but I don't have 30 dollars.

I'm the only motherfucker in the religion, so I know more about it than every single one of you shit-heads.

At one point, as a Discordian pope, I could do that. I could excommunicate everyone and make it my own religion. Somehow though, the Really Reals, and Pinealists, and Art Majors, took that away from me.

Eat my shit.
I am God.

now THAT is the :potd:

q f t
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 21, 2007, 01:16:24 pm
Art Majors

:thanks:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Mangrove on July 21, 2007, 05:11:25 pm
Fuck Discordianism.

Dead serious.
I'm out.
I'm tired of this really real bullshit.

My new religion is "Broke Pinkgenius."
I wanna be a Subgenius, but I don't have 30 dollars.

I'm the only motherfucker in the religion, so I know more about it than every single one of you shit-heads.

At one point, as a Discordian pope, I could do that. I could excommunicate everyone and make it my own religion. Somehow though, the Really Reals, and Pinealists, and Art Majors, took that away from me.

Eat my shit.
I am God.

Since you are so wrathful, arbitrary and inaccessible (and I have self-esteem issues) can I please join your religion?  :sad:

Mang' - tired of self-improvement, now in the market for short-cuts.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Thurnez Isa on July 21, 2007, 06:45:08 pm
Fuck Discordianism.

Dead serious.
I'm out.
I'm tired of this really real bullshit.

My new religion is "Broke Pinkgenius."
I wanna be a Subgenius, but I don't have 30 dollars.

I'm the only motherfucker in the religion, so I know more about it than every single one of you shit-heads.

At one point, as a Discordian pope, I could do that. I could excommunicate everyone and make it my own religion. Somehow though, the Really Reals, and Pinealists, and Art Majors, took that away from me.

Eat my shit.
I am God.

HALLELULAH!!!


Horrible truths ITT
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 22, 2007, 03:51:05 am
I'm just a big fan of Douglas Adams, I have been for several years now. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says that the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42. Therefore, were I to write a book that answered life, the universe, and everything, logically the only title truly fitting would be '42'.

As for the 'DMT is IN YOU' meme, I've been tracking that for way the fuck longer than since when I found out about Discordianism. All of the memes I'm really big on, they're all things I was already into long before I found out about Discordianism; the fact that quirky little things I enjoyed were supposed mainstays of the religion was one of it's calling points for me. I'm sorry to hear that you folk are burnt out from overexposure, but fuck you, I'm not.

Also I typically go by 'zhe'.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 22, 2007, 04:02:45 am
Also I typically go by 'zhe'.

 I'm pretty sure this has been stated before (and I totally missed it/don't remember anything) but...why "zhe"?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 22, 2007, 04:28:16 am
'Cos I'm an androgyne, and zhe (also; zhir) is a nice, gender-neutral pronoun, and one that sounds aesthetically pleasing to me.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 22, 2007, 05:05:03 am
Okay.

How exactly can one be androgynous? Is it a matter of personality or biology (biology beyond the brain, that is)?

Sorry if that's too prying, I'm just curious.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 22, 2007, 05:08:57 am
When complete strangers stop in the middle of the street to ask, "Are you a boy or a girl?", that's how one can be androgynous.

The low dose of hormones helps, too.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on July 22, 2007, 05:56:57 am
Mmkay. I suppose I sort of kind of get it.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 22, 2007, 07:08:32 am
While I completely respect anyone's right to live and act as whichever gender they see fit (even ones that haven't been invented yet), I don't think it's reasonable to expect other people to change their lingustic framework over it, especially to the point of using a word that doesn't exist.

If I saw someone fucking with you on the street because you live outside western society's gender norms, I'd have your back, but I'll still call you either "he" or "she" while I'm doing so.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 22, 2007, 11:52:11 am
STOP BEING SO ARISTOTLEAN! 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 22, 2007, 02:24:46 pm
While I completely respect anyone's right to live and act as whichever gender they see fit (even ones that haven't been invented yet), I don't think it's reasonable to expect other people to change their lingustic framework over it, especially to the point of using a word that doesn't exist.

If I saw someone fucking with you on the street because you live outside western society's gender norms, I'd have your back, but I'll still call you either "he" or "she" while I'm doing so.

i was just about to say the same thing.

also, i really was under the impression you preferred to be called "she", and i was trying to respect that, but apparently i didn't pick it up when it was discussed in the genderfuckery thread.

'Cos I'm an androgyne, and zhe (also; zhir) is a nice, gender-neutral pronoun, and one that sounds aesthetically pleasing to me.

sorry, i don't want to have any of this "i'm having my own pronoun" shit. what does "zhe" and "zhir" mean anyway? are they based on english words?

what's the point if you're still having two of them?

and seriously what the fuck do you think you're doing to the language?? maybe it's because i'm dutch and my language is still using gendered and ungendered words, maybe also because i know some german, which is very hard because of all the male/female/ungendered words there.
would you really want to be refered to as "das Kaienne" in german? or do you want an extra rule for that as well? how about two of them? any idea what effect that's gonna have on declension tables and other such linguistic tricksiness?

you may not think that's a big deal, but asking me to add a new pronoun to my languages, kinda, for me. if it's really that important to you, you're gonna have to do a littlebit better than "typically i go by zhe".
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 22, 2007, 02:36:57 pm
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 22, 2007, 03:11:41 pm
hey i asked some serious questions here.

so you won't give a shit about anybody who doesn't want to play your language games?

can't you understand this is a tough thing to do?

you're asking people to change their language, in order to gain your respect (or something)

also, doesn't english already have a genderless pronoun?
but that one doesn't sound "nice" enough for you? doesn't that make this whole game attention whoring?

or if "it" makes you feel like being compared to an inanimate object, isn't that your linguistic hangup with the language? couldn't you change your perception of the word "it" (or better even, change your perception of "he" and "she") instead of requiring everyone around you to reroute their linguistics specifically for you?

also, telling me i don't matter because i ask you to explain yourself is a bit weak, imo.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 22, 2007, 03:52:24 pm
Hey guys, you both have the right to call eachother whatever the fuck you want.

Hard feelings are, of course, allowed, but it's really only a word, after all.

I will call you by whatever word I feel is appropriate at the time, not whatever word YOU think is appropriate.

And that is directed at both Trip0 and Kai, and also those of you who debate the use of E-prime.

~~~Payne: Talks as he wants to, and encourages others to do the same.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 22, 2007, 04:42:32 pm
I dont mind a third pronoun for our androgyne members, but I wish it could be standardised.  You know, so there is just one word that is used, along with he/she.  Would make life much easier for all concerned.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 22, 2007, 04:48:27 pm
i'll just use "Kaienne" from now on, if Kaienne doesn't appreciate "she".
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 22, 2007, 04:58:36 pm
Well, David Brin has a standard, neutral pronoun in his books. Man.

With Males being called Mel's and Females called Fems.

Anything else (including sentient Chimps and Dolphins) are called Men.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 23, 2007, 12:05:55 am
Hey guys, you both have the right to call eachother whatever the fuck you want.

Hard feelings are, of course, allowed, but it's really only a word, after all.

I will call you by whatever word I feel is appropriate at the time, not whatever word YOU think is appropriate.

And that is directed at both Trip0 and Kai, and also those of you who debate the use of E-prime.

~~~Payne: Talks as he wants to, and encourages others to do the same.

:mittens:

As long as one can communicate an idea, they can make whatever semantic symbols they want.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 23, 2007, 04:38:42 am
Hey guys, you both have the right to call eachother whatever the fuck you want.

Hard feelings are, of course, allowed, but it's really only a word, after all.

I will call you by whatever word I feel is appropriate at the time, not whatever word YOU think is appropriate.

And that is directed at both Trip0 and Kai, and also those of you who debate the use of E-prime.

~~~Payne: Talks as he wants to, and encourages others to do the same.

Amen.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 23, 2007, 06:24:49 pm
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

so, if we don't feel like reprogramming our entire lingustic structure to suit your whim, we don't matter?

you know, I was trying really hard to not hate you, but you're making it impossible.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 23, 2007, 06:45:35 pm
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

so, if we don't feel like reprogramming our entire lingustic structure to suit your whim, we don't matter?

you know, I was trying really hard to not hate you, but you're making it impossible.

this is the second time today you're saying what i'm thinking.

- 000,
doesn't matter either, apparently.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 23, 2007, 06:47:40 pm
'Cos I'm an androgyne, and zhe (also; zhir) is a nice, gender-neutral pronoun, and one that sounds aesthetically pleasing to me.

Okay, I know I am bringing the drama llama on more when I say this, and I know it has before, but it needs to be said. I am an androgyne as well, a person of mixed gender identification. I also preffer non gendered pronouns.

But let me say this in big letters: I WILL NEVER EVER EXPECT ANY PERSON TO USE THEM. EVER.

Telling people they got to bend way for you and all kind of shit like that is stupid. I'll take he or she or even Hey YUO! but I will never ask someone to use a specific pronoun when reffering to me, and if someone asked which one I preffered, I might tell them, but more likely I would just say "which ever one is easier". Because anything different moves beyond asking for basic respect and into bigoted inferiority complex territory.

And because of all the statements in this thread, I feel stupid for suggesting to people on IRC which pronouns you preffered, because I asked in the first place, and I thought it was the polite thing to do in my case.

I am quickly loosing respect for you, androgyne or not.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 23, 2007, 06:59:51 pm
How bout, "Hey Slappy!"

that's the one I like. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: East Coast Hustle on July 23, 2007, 07:09:26 pm
"Slappy" works for me.

until the next time Slappy breaks out that broad brush to paint over "zher" (or is it "zhis"?) inferiority complex. Then I'm gonna start referring to Slappy as "Shitneck".

ECH,
not changing his ways to appease someone who isn't comfortable in their own skin
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 23, 2007, 07:20:59 pm
yeah, I do believe shitneck is technically a non-genderspecific reference.  Should be perfectly acceptable on all levels. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 23, 2007, 07:21:48 pm
"Slappy" works for me.

until the next time Slappy breaks out that broad brush to paint over "zher" (or is it "zhis"?) inferiority complex. Then I'm gonna start referring to Slappy as "Shitneck".


How about "Zhit"?


You can guess how it's pronounced...


LMNO
-Zhitneck.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 23, 2007, 07:25:00 pm
Didn't Zhitneck play for the L.A. Kings?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 23, 2007, 09:30:35 pm
I hope ya'all don't lose any respect for me via association from this. This sort of behavior makes me, Rev. Michal and all other androgynes look bad.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 23, 2007, 09:41:11 pm
I hope ya'all don't lose any respect for me via association from this. This sort of behavior makes me, Rev. Michal and all other androgynes look bad.

Why does it make you look bad? As far as I can tell, Kaienne speaks for zirself... if people on this board (of all forums) label you as equal to Kaienne based on your secual identity, I think they have much larger issues.

Hell, I don't think Kaienne is doing too terribly. Zhe needs to chill out a bit and process some more data, but thats a helluva lot closer to clued than 99% of the people that I talk to on a daily basis.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 23, 2007, 09:45:57 pm
Yeah, BMW, I don't think you have anything to worry about.  At least, not in my book.  And I am the leading authority on my book. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 23, 2007, 09:53:07 pm
I'm not worried, but I am still pissed. This inferiority complex sorta behavior reminds me too much of those Harry Benjamin Syndrome people I learned about yesterday and all their slurs against transgenders and nazi words. If there is one thing being transgendered should teach a person, its understanding, and common curtesy. Expecting people to use pronouns that you are comfortable with is not curteous nor understanding. And it DOES reflect badly on the rest of us.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 23, 2007, 10:27:02 pm
I'm not worried, but I am still pissed. This inferiority complex sorta behavior reminds me too much of those Harry Benjamin Syndrome people I learned about yesterday and all their slurs against transgenders and nazi words. If there is one thing being transgendered should teach a person, its understanding, and common curtesy. Expecting people to use pronouns that you are comfortable with is not curteous nor understanding. And it DOES reflect badly on the rest of us.

And it DOES reflect badly on the rest of us.

Perhaps in some areas, some boards, some societies... but surely not here. At least not where any REAL DISCORDIANS are concerned...  :wink:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on July 23, 2007, 10:28:04 pm
BMW don't worry about it man

and you know it!

while Kaienne has been a zhithead (this being from now on the transgender word for bitch/asshole), you are and always have been a cool .. perzon!

actually .. thiz iz kinda fun .. how about zwe call thish language "EZ-Prime" ? ;-)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 23, 2007, 11:32:14 pm
BMW don't worry about it man

and you know it!

while Kaienne has been a zhithead (this being from now on the transgender word for bitch/asshole), you are and always have been a cool .. perzon!

actually .. thiz iz kinda fun .. how about zwe call thish language "EZ-Prime" ? ;-)

 :lulz:

Thanks for that, Zero.

And ratatosk, while that may be true, it doesn't make me any less angry. Really, Kaienne should know better.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 23, 2007, 11:39:30 pm
BMW don't worry about it man

and you know it!

while Kaienne has been a zhithead (this being from now on the transgender word for bitch/asshole), you are and always have been a cool .. perzon!

actually .. thiz iz kinda fun .. how about zwe call thish language "EZ-Prime" ? ;-)

 :lulz:

Thanks for that, Zero.

And ratatosk, while that may be true, it doesn't make me any less angry. Really, Kaienne should know better.

Sometimes the prison bars hurt when we hit them... even if we know that they're there.

We got your back ;-)

*looks for that knife he left laying around*
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: LMNO on July 24, 2007, 02:32:43 pm
BMW, you and LG (fine... Rev Michael) post content.  Therein lies the difference.




LMNO
-Doesn't matter what's between your legs, or what you want to be between your legs; it's about what you post, dammit.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 24, 2007, 02:49:30 pm
And at this exhibit, you can see a fine example of LMNO speakin' TROOF.

Whether or not you're a dude, a chick, neither, both, or some other combination (and for that matter, which of the aforementioned you like to shag) really doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not you act like a dick, and what you contribute.

You have already been established as Not A Dick and a contributor, BMW. :wink:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Payne on July 24, 2007, 02:54:01 pm
And at this exhibit, you can see a fine example of LMNO speakin' TROOF.

Whether or not you're a dude, a chick, neither, both, or some other combination (and for that matter, which of the aforementioned you like to shag) really doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not you act like a dick, and what you contribute.

You have already been established as Not A Dick and a contributor, BMW. :wink:

An unfortunate choice of words, perhaps. But the sentiment stands.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Darth Cupcake on July 24, 2007, 02:58:01 pm
Well pttthhhhhbbbbpt to you, sir! :p
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 24, 2007, 06:25:42 pm
 :D

I feel better now.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 25, 2007, 05:57:09 am
i still think you're a dick, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 25, 2007, 12:54:15 pm
i still think you're a dick, for what it's worth.

Heh.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 26, 2007, 05:04:00 pm
'Cos I'm an androgyne, and zhe (also; zhir) is a nice, gender-neutral pronoun, and one that sounds aesthetically pleasing to me.

Okay, I know I am bringing the drama llama on more when I say this, and I know it has before, but it needs to be said. I am an androgyne as well, a person of mixed gender identification. I also preffer non gendered pronouns.

But let me say this in big letters: I WILL NEVER EVER EXPECT ANY PERSON TO USE THEM. EVER.

Telling people they got to bend way for you and all kind of shit like that is stupid. I'll take he or she or even Hey YUO! but I will never ask someone to use a specific pronoun when reffering to me, and if someone asked which one I preffered, I might tell them, but more likely I would just say "which ever one is easier". Because anything different moves beyond asking for basic respect and into bigoted inferiority complex territory.

And because of all the statements in this thread, I feel stupid for suggesting to people on IRC which pronouns you preffered, because I asked in the first place, and I thought it was the polite thing to do in my case.

I am quickly loosing respect for you, androgyne or not.

Uh.

Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

Hey guys, you both have the right to call eachother whatever the fuck you want.

Hard feelings are, of course, allowed, but it's really only a word, after all.

I will call you by whatever word I feel is appropriate at the time, not whatever word YOU think is appropriate.

And that is directed at both Trip0 and Kai, and also those of you who debate the use of E-prime.

~~~Payne: Talks as he wants to, and encourages others to do the same.

Amen.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 26, 2007, 06:22:44 pm



Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

Bolded part is why its all bullshit. Telling people they don't matter because they won't use the pronouns you like is stupid shit.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 26, 2007, 06:32:33 pm
The obvious resolution to this is to dress up like the cutest woodland animal you can and go knock on her door and bat your eyelashes at her like a cartoon character when she opens the door; but refuse to use her fictional pronouns.  She will have no choice but to give up the pronoun requirement, unless she wants to deny her true furry nature.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 26, 2007, 06:34:22 pm
fuck pronouns.  I'm all about the antinouns now. 
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cramulus on July 26, 2007, 07:45:02 pm
what happens when you use a pronoun and antinoun in the same sentence?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 26, 2007, 07:48:37 pm
if you're lucky, a Warp Bubble.

if you're not lucky, core breach.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 26, 2007, 07:54:46 pm
what happens when you use a pronoun and antinoun in the same sentence?

Tony Snow
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 26, 2007, 09:38:22 pm
if you're lucky, a Warp Bubble.

if you're not lucky, core breach.

It's only possible if first you split the infinitive.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cramulus on July 26, 2007, 09:50:31 pm
you mean like "to boldly go..."?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 26, 2007, 09:54:39 pm
The obvious resolution to this is to dress up like the cutest woodland animal you can and go knock on her door and bat your eyelashes at her like a cartoon character when she opens the door; but refuse to use her fictional pronouns.  She will have no choice but to give up the pronoun requirement, unless she wants to deny her true furry nature.

...

And, WHY would I want to do this?
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 26, 2007, 10:18:07 pm
The obvious resolution to this is to dress up like the cutest woodland animal you can and go knock on her door and bat your eyelashes at her like a cartoon character when she opens the door; but refuse to use her fictional pronouns.  She will have no choice but to give up the pronoun requirement, unless she wants to deny her true furry nature.

...

And, WHY would I want to do this?


Well, I for one would probably hurt myself laughing... so that would be a good reason.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on July 26, 2007, 10:41:39 pm
if you're lucky, a Warp Bubble.

if you're not lucky, core breach.

OSH-I JUST USED BOTH IN A SENTENCE AND A VORTEX OPENED IN MY ROOM.  ITS SUCKING EVERYTHIN IN, I DONT THINK I CAN HOLD ON MUCH LONGE
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 26, 2007, 10:56:01 pm
The obvious resolution to this is to dress up like the cutest woodland animal you can and go knock on her door and bat your eyelashes at her like a cartoon character when she opens the door; but refuse to use her fictional pronouns.  She will have no choice but to give up the pronoun requirement, unless she wants to deny her true furry nature.

...

And, WHY would I want to do this?


Well, I for one would probably hurt myself laughing... so that would be a good reason.

Perhaps I can trade you a scathing yet very humorous review of a creationist video from youtube? I don't have time now, but if you save it up for the fall, I'll be back online fulltime and should be able to write a good one.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: faust on July 27, 2007, 02:47:20 am
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

I am a polyamorous, cute, bbw, wiccathiest, bi, furry, self harming, gender neutral,  gamer girl. DEAL W/IT.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: faust on July 27, 2007, 02:54:34 am
do you actively seek out new ways to make yourself seem somehow edgy or unique, or do you collect them like stds?

So how old are you really? 14? 15? cause if you are 21 then lol.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 27, 2007, 03:20:36 am
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

Bolded part is why its all bullshit. Telling people they don't matter because they won't use the pronouns you like is stupid shit.

There are lots of people who don't matter to me. I'm sure there are people who don't matter to you, either. It's all a matter of opinion. Mind you, a truer statement would have been I actually give two shits about at least recognize my neutrality.

do you actively seek out new ways to make yourself seem somehow edgy or unique, or do you collect them like stds?

So how old are you really? 14? 15? cause if you are 21 then lol.

Nah, I just kind of pick them up as I go.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: faust on July 27, 2007, 08:08:38 am
yes try harder to justify the fact that you just told a forum to deal. We really value your input.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 10:49:02 am
brand of Discordianism
Quoted in case someone missed it.

:lulz:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 11:15:01 am
what happens when you use a pronoun and antinoun in the same sentence?
if you're lucky, a Warp Bubble.

if you're not lucky, core breach.

ZOMFG I THINK I JUST FAN-BOY-POOMPED OUT MY SHUTTLEBAY DOORS!!!1!1
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 11:20:25 am
Quote from: a DNA site
Douglas Adams was asked many times during his career why he chose the number forty-two. Many theories were proposed, but he rejected them all. On November 3, 1993, he gave an answer[1] on alt.fan.douglas-adams:

   
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do.' I typed it out. End of story.

NOW, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 27, 2007, 12:58:16 pm
Then call me whatever you want. Call me shithead if it really tickles your rocks in just the right way. I call me zhe and the people I actually give two shits about call me zhe. You don't like it? You don't matter. Deal.

Bolded part is why its all bullshit. Telling people they don't matter because they won't use the pronouns you like is stupid shit.

There are lots of people who don't matter to me. I'm sure there are people who don't matter to you, either. It's all a matter of opinion. Mind you, a truer statement would have been I actually give two shits about at least recognize my neutrality.

There's a difference between basic respect and outrageous demands. In other words, its pronouns were talking about. People don't matter because of PRONOUNS?

You are ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 27, 2007, 03:47:00 pm
This I will agree to.

It's not the words themselves but the reason people don't say them. If I say "I like zhe", and someone says to me "fuck you, I'm not changing my vocabulary for you", my natural response is "fuck you too".
In an instance where I tell someone and they say okay, but forget, I've got no qualms.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 03:50:04 pm
Making a mountain out of a molehill ITT
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Kaienne on July 27, 2007, 04:34:06 pm
No kidding.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 04:36:17 pm
No kidding ITT this is fucking serious.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 27, 2007, 04:37:43 pm
No kidding ITT this is fucking serious.

ROFL
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: AFK on July 27, 2007, 04:38:54 pm
Making Olympus Mons out of a molehill ITT

interstellar fixation
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 04:39:29 pm
No kidding ITT this is fucking serious.

ROFL
;)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Rev. St. Syn, KSC on July 27, 2007, 04:40:48 pm
Making Olympus Mons out of a molehill ITT

interstellar fixation
:lulz:
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: B_M_W on July 27, 2007, 06:01:02 pm
This I will agree to.

It's not the words themselves but the reason people don't say them. If I say "I like zhe", and someone says to me "fuck you, I'm not changing my vocabulary for you", my natural response is "fuck you too".
In an instance where I tell someone and they say okay, but forget, I've got no qualms.

I just skip the whole thing, unless they ask in the first place.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on August 02, 2007, 01:09:19 am
Quote from: a DNA site
Douglas Adams was asked many times during his career why he chose the number forty-two. Many theories were proposed, but he rejected them all. On November 3, 1993, he gave an answer[1] on alt.fan.douglas-adams:

   
Quote from: Douglas Adams
The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do.' I typed it out. End of story.

NOW, SHUT THE FUCK UP!


QF169%T
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on August 02, 2007, 01:10:54 am
This I will agree to.

It's not the words themselves but the reason people don't say them. If I say "I like zhe", and someone says to me "fuck you, I'm not changing my vocabulary for you", my natural response is "fuck you too".
In an instance where I tell someone and they say okay, but forget, I've got no qualms.

no qualms? so now i do matter to you again?

also, you might want to apologize to MS.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Reginald Ret on March 22, 2008, 02:52:51 pm
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says that the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42.

i thought that according to HHGG the answer was continued existence?(hint: its in the actions of the computer, not in its words)


Regret,
being anal and simultaniously stealing this new way of posting post scriptum
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on March 22, 2008, 10:58:48 pm
aye. somebody didn't pay attention. "42" is the answer to an unknown question, not the question posed to Deep Thought, because that question was naive and incomplete.

moar h2g2 revelations spoiled, itt.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Triple Zero on March 25, 2008, 08:14:11 pm
actually i didn't think there was much philosophy to be gained in THHGTTG, tbh.

seems DNA wrote it mostly for the lulz.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 29, 2008, 01:36:51 am
I'd like to nominate this thread for having the most fail I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Littlest Ubermensch on March 29, 2008, 05:26:58 am
I'd like to nominate this thread for having the most fail I've ever seen.

You haven't seen the "BIP - Just call me nigger to my face" thread, have you? I'm pretty sure that failed harder than Kaienne ever could.

And just in case you haven't, some extreme failure (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=13141.0)
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 06:08:12 pm
So, one of these days, a decade or two from now, I'm gonna open up a pure, unadulturated channel to the divine, and tirelessly carve out a tome like Moses carving out the Ten Commandments. The tome will contain the answers to life, the universe, and everything. All shall be revealed, simple enough for the lamen to understand the basics of it, and concise enough that with steady research, anyone can understand all the secrets of the universe. It will change the entire world.

I will title this book '42'.

Well, too late now.  World ended, book not done.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 21, 2012, 06:40:49 pm
Say hello to the new world, same as the old one.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 06:43:02 pm
Say hello to the new world, same as the old one.

Well, yeah, but with some of the color leeched out and cardboard building facades.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 21, 2012, 06:50:14 pm
Say hello to the new world, same as the old one.

Well, yeah, but with some of the color leeched out and cardboard building facades.

And everyone is just a LITTLE


BIT


FRIENDLIER.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 07:02:05 pm
Say hello to the new world, same as the old one.

Well, yeah, but with some of the color leeched out and cardboard building facades.

And everyone is just a LITTLE


BIT


FRIENDLIER.

They smile at me and say "Merry Christmas!" and seem like they mean it, this time.  They're helpful and don't do dumb things.

But I can smell their fear.  It's Christmas, in this new world.
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on December 23, 2012, 06:46:25 am
I will title this book '42'.

Douglas Adams on 42: "The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought '42 will do.' I typed it out. End of story."

just sayin

It doesn't have to be a Adams reference. 42 is also the number of volumes in the legendary Book of Thoth
Title: Re: The Good Book
Post by: Cain on January 03, 2013, 03:08:59 pm
Or 36,525, depending on which historian you ask.